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English Clubs Manchester United Street Talks, 27/10 Man Utd v Man City 02:55 CH814

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post Oct 24 2016, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Oct 24 2016, 02:12 PM)
got la. what i meant was no matter how good mata is in no 10. big games he sure kena benched.
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oh, that is true. somehow mata and luni got benched at the same time. end up fellaini taking up the extra spot @@
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post Oct 24 2016, 02:25 PM

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kesian RHC takde bahan nak buat scapegoat.

U guys shud feed them some inspiration.
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post Oct 24 2016, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Oct 24 2016, 08:01 AM)
Aint gonna happen. Jose tactics require all players to defend. Which is why Rashford is suffering now
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and let Fellaini staying at top half for counter attack??? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

really cannot understand Mou tactic...
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post Oct 24 2016, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(aa1985 @ Oct 24 2016, 02:54 AM)
Maybe smalling-rojo..blind left
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great combo... all prone to defensive error
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QUOTE(bansai @ Oct 24 2016, 01:54 PM)
guess you didn't watch the match, or you don't know the meaning of parking the bus..
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Well, we will nv know for sure, wont we? If pedro did not score that early goal, God knows what tactic we will play. That early goal changed the whole game plan.
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post Oct 24 2016, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Oct 24 2016, 02:50 PM)
Well, we will nv know for sure, wont we? If pedro did not score that early goal, God knows what tactic we will play. That early goal changed the whole game plan.
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Yes, we know because it was played non ultra defensive, aka the bus. fact is there wasn't any bus in the match. Mou played zonal, which is equivalent to 0 defending or reactive defending. Yesterday's game wasn't parking the bus.

The only fact is that our defenders are not smart enough to know when to defend and when to let go. Herrera did good last night playing zonal, he controlled his area properly.
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post Oct 24 2016, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Oct 24 2016, 08:06 AM)
In my personal opinion,  smalling is nv that good anyway. He's like carragher of Liverpool. He looked good because of the unnecessary defending. If you know what I mean. And he can't live without shirt pulling.

But yesterday match, the whole team just went down after the first goal.
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Smalling looks like the same story as Evans and Jones. Solid sidekicks, looked promising when they were younger because of their youthful potential... but somehow it has not happened.

Under LVG it looked (for a while) like Smalling might step up in quality enough, but after that he has been erratic. Fine for a younger player, but he is not a kid anymore.

QUOTE(taohannan @ Oct 24 2016, 12:51 PM)
biasalah kalah

mou just need to learn to trust his player, rotate more especially with schedules like last week.

3 games in a week will gives this kind of problem. blind, smalling look jaded, no lust at all.
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Rotate those out then who comes in at CB?

Jones = someone in Japan sneezes and he breaks down injured again. Is he even fit and available to play at the moment?
Rojo = heart attack risk at CB, he seems more likely to play at LB if Shaw is not fit than to be trusted at CB.

I blame Kayu and the board. Could have signed Fonte, but insisted that we need to sell players first to manage finances before we could sign him.

Seriously? At this club, and for a player of his age (experience and cost) and his salary.... and we can't sign him immediately and offload players later?

Now look at what happens. No experienced leadership at the back, the minute Bailly is injured we are all looking at Blind and Smalling and going "hope these guys can deal until Bailly is back".

January is African Cup of Nations, Bailly out again. If Smalling or Blind gets injured, we look even worse.



Good read: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/footbal...n-learn-9103216


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post Oct 24 2016, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(sunblaze @ Oct 24 2016, 05:37 PM)
Smalling looks like the same story as Evans and Jones. Solid sidekicks, looked promising when they were younger because of their youthful potential...  but somehow it has not happened.

Under LVG it looked (for a while) like Smalling might step up in quality enough, but after that he has been erratic. Fine for a younger player, but he is not a kid anymore.
Rotate those out then who comes in at CB?

Jones = someone in Japan sneezes and he breaks down injured again. Is he even fit and available to play at the moment?
Rojo = heart attack risk at CB, he seems more likely to play at LB if Shaw is not fit than to be trusted at CB.

I blame Kayu and the board. Could have signed Fonte, but insisted that we need to sell players first to manage finances before we could sign him.

Seriously? At this club, and for a player of his age (experience and cost) and his salary.... and we can't sign him immediately and offload players later?

Now look at what happens. No experienced leadership at the back, the minute Bailly is injured we are all looking at Blind and Smalling and going "hope these guys can deal until Bailly is back".

January is African Cup of Nations, Bailly out again. If Smalling or Blind gets injured, we look even worse.
Good read: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/footbal...n-learn-9103216
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bailly out for longer period..knee ligament sad.gif
which means, our defense will be rocky throughout the season
maybe time for Mensah

and pls stop playing fellaini & play natural wingers
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post Oct 24 2016, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(sunblaze @ Oct 24 2016, 05:37 PM)
Smalling looks like the same story as Evans and Jones. Solid sidekicks, looked promising when they were younger because of their youthful potential...  but somehow it has not happened.

Under LVG it looked (for a while) like Smalling might step up in quality enough, but after that he has been erratic. Fine for a younger player, but he is not a kid anymore.
Rotate those out then who comes in at CB?

Jones = someone in Japan sneezes and he breaks down injured again. Is he even fit and available to play at the moment?
Rojo = heart attack risk at CB, he seems more likely to play at LB if Shaw is not fit than to be trusted at CB.

I blame Kayu and the board. Could have signed Fonte, but insisted that we need to sell players first to manage finances before we could sign him.

Seriously? At this club, and for a player of his age (experience and cost) and his salary.... and we can't sign him immediately and offload players later?

Now look at what happens. No experienced leadership at the back, the minute Bailly is injured we are all looking at Blind and Smalling and going "hope these guys can deal until Bailly is back".

January is African Cup of Nations, Bailly out again. If Smalling or Blind gets injured, we look even worse.
Good read: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/footbal...n-learn-9103216
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if the rotation policy correctly implemented, we might have chance, since player confidence is not shattered. imagine after 3 month sitting at the bench, everyone will be shit.
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QUOTE(bansai @ Oct 24 2016, 03:42 PM)
Yes, we know because it was played non ultra defensive, aka the bus. fact is there wasn't any bus in the match. Mou played zonal, which is equivalent to 0 defending or reactive defending. Yesterday's game wasn't parking the bus.

The only fact is that our defenders are not smart enough to know when to defend and when to let go. Herrera did good last night playing zonal, he controlled his area properly.
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rclxms.gif rclxm9.gif herrera :3
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QUOTE(taohannan @ Oct 24 2016, 05:49 PM)
if the rotation policy correctly implemented, we might have chance, since player confidence is not shattered. imagine after 3 month sitting at the bench, everyone will be shit.
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everyone know mourinho seldom rotate his player....that is the concern...
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QUOTE(sunblaze @ Oct 24 2016, 05:37 PM)
Smalling looks like the same story as Evans and Jones. Solid sidekicks, looked promising when they were younger because of their youthful potential...  but somehow it has not happened.

Under LVG it looked (for a while) like Smalling might step up in quality enough, but after that he has been erratic. Fine for a younger player, but he is not a kid anymore.
Rotate those out then who comes in at CB?

Jones = someone in Japan sneezes and he breaks down injured again. Is he even fit and available to play at the moment?
Rojo = heart attack risk at CB, he seems more likely to play at LB if Shaw is not fit than to be trusted at CB.

I blame Kayu and the board. Could have signed Fonte, but insisted that we need to sell players first to manage finances before we could sign him.

Seriously? At this club, and for a player of his age (experience and cost) and his salary.... and we can't sign him immediately and offload players later?

Now look at what happens. No experienced leadership at the back, the minute Bailly is injured we are all looking at Blind and Smalling and going "hope these guys can deal until Bailly is back".

January is African Cup of Nations, Bailly out again. If Smalling or Blind gets injured, we look even worse.
Good read: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/footbal...n-learn-9103216
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but but but..perhaps that's the effect of signing pogba for 100m
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post Oct 24 2016, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(skystrike @ Oct 24 2016, 06:09 PM)
everyone know mourinho seldom rotate his player....that is the concern...
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the more serious concern is why Fellaini? lol

when ppl defending he go up when ppl try to counter attack suddenly he at btm acting like he need to defend. i cant brain lol.

rashford cant play wing, his drible sak, let him be a poacher better. just simple 4-4-2 with valencia and lingard as winger, rashford and zlatan. if put rooney and zlatan i scared rooney will play as defensive midfielder
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Kinda feel sorry for jose.....he's ex chelsea manager after all....3 epl titles all thanks to him......

It seems everywhere he went troubles after troubles will follow.....only in Inter i think he enjoy working with...

IMO he need to start fresh somewhere else.....away from EPL,big clubs, superstars ego and ruthless press/media....

Back to his native country portugal perhaps? Or managing mid table club in spain or france or italy.....
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QUOTE(Xtraloveable @ Oct 24 2016, 05:29 PM)
With the quality of our defenders, don't dream that we will have a strong bus. Most is bus without tyre
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to be fair, United were pretty good until Pedro scored


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post Oct 24 2016, 07:38 PM

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I dont get why Mourinho is complaining that Conte humiliated him by asking Chelsea fans to cheer. In honesty, I think the way the players played humiliated him more, especially Pogba and Ibra. This two need a reality check that they are not Manchester United alone and stop being so proud of themselves having come from Champions team previously (Juventus and PSG).

Wad a waste of money to buy him back at that crazy price (Pogba). Perhaps Fergie knew this would happen if he continued playing in Manchester United.
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Oct 24 2016, 05:44 PM)
bailly out for longer period..knee ligament  sad.gif
which means, our defense will be rocky throughout the season
maybe time for Mensah

and pls stop playing fellaini & play natural wingers
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Bet his logic for playing Fellaini is height in team so we're stronger defending and attacking set pieces.

That said, Chelsea these days are not the same physically imposing team they were a decade ago. Was surprised Fellaini played instead of Carrick, but maybe the idea was he would make Chelsea suffer when we had free kicks and corners.

QUOTE(taohannan @ Oct 24 2016, 05:49 PM)
if the rotation policy correctly implemented, we might have chance, since player confidence is not shattered. imagine after 3 month sitting at the bench, everyone will be shit.
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I don't disagree that rotation is required over the course of a season.

That said, we are only in October (August was basically a 2 week month and we've had 2 international breaks so far) and we are less than 10 league games into the season with a new manager and changed team trying to play in a different way.

Change too much = Chopping too much, disrupting team, players can't form partnerships, etc etc. With the international breaks it's already going to be more challenging for managers to get team playing the way they want. Add in injuries, suspensions, and fatigue from travel / international games..... it's a tricky balancing act.

Change 5 or 6 players for an away game in Europa League = lose and get blasted for messing team rhythm too much and bad performance.

Change too little = lose and get blasted for not giving players enough rest.

Pro players can't play 3 games a week in defence? Think the midfielders and strikers might have more miles on the clock since they have more distance to cover.



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QUOTE(stupid_cupid23 @ Oct 24 2016, 07:38 PM)
I dont get why Mourinho is complaining that Conte humiliated him by asking Chelsea fans to cheer. In honesty, I think the way the players played humiliated him more, especially Pogba and Ibra. This two need a reality check that they are not Manchester United alone and stop being so proud of themselves having come from Champions team previously (Juventus and PSG).

Wad a waste of money to buy him back at that crazy price (Pogba). Perhaps Fergie knew this would happen if he continued playing in Manchester United.
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I 2nd with u. What JM expect at bridge? Should we won yesterday, he may do the same to Chelsea fans despites JM promised to behave for this come back. C'mon, it was big match...pppffttt.

I still believe we could beat City at OT.
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Bring back pure wing play & Man Utd aggression

Now play like barca wannabe & pondan

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