Ni semua sarahan protong menyusahkan abam bomba potong HPF steel
Proton Persona terlalu keras, Bomba susah potong
Proton Persona terlalu keras, Bomba susah potong
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Aug 22 2016, 05:36 PM, updated 10y ago
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Ni semua sarahan protong menyusahkan abam bomba potong HPF steel |
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Bezza buyers regret
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later accident cannot save people inside, coz bomba lmbt potong.. owaiiii
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ni promo jual besi buruk ke?
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then bmw also the same larr
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tin me-lo pakai HPF tak? This post has been edited by cicak.fakir: Aug 22 2016, 05:45 PM |
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Sokong beruktua
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this is better marketing strategy than iriz
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better than jazz
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Firemen : Great, here come a worthy challenger
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Are they so fucking shallow that they put a shawl on a crash test dummy?
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Will this model beat P2?
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iriz also hpf. how come bezza score better in terms of frontal crash of course? bezza scored 15.38/16. iriz scored 14.07/16.
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I mau armored version , amacm?
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Potong Persona
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smua tak kena... potong pakai tin milo kene marah, potong pakai besi kuat pun kene marah.
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manufacturers around the world promote Ultra high tensile steel
this one promote HPF pulak.. lol means to say they not using Ultra high tensile steel to begin with! |
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all the while i say perodua has soft body and dont lovee their life , kasi what high class electrionics and airbags also cant sae their life ,
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even though my savvy is old and people all tell me why buy the ugly car and why buy proton savvy..................
and the bad amt renault reputation i still proud of my proton savvy manual ................................................................. year 2006 that time i buy and 40k savvy manual (1.2litre 4 cylinder engine) and rm45k for 1.0 3 cylinder myvi manual it is 97000km mileage only after 10 and 1/2 years This post has been edited by DSEcomp: Aug 22 2016, 05:56 PM |
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making it tougher will make saving life harder for Bomba, need different tool
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 22 2016, 06:03 PM) funny u should mention "1/3"can you read chinese? http://coco01.net/post/118517 read the MPa figure they are boasting about. |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:07 PM) lepas tempa is 1500Mpa as far as I know only Mazda using 1.8GPa steel on their CX5. and only on the front reinforcement beam.means started with much lower strength steel meanwhile others also got using 1800Mpa steel stock. http://www.adandp.media/articles/mazda-use...g-steel-in-cx-5 isnt the final figure the most important? regardless of the strength before treatment? EDIT: link added. my bad its front and rear bumper reinforcement on the cx5 This post has been edited by dares: Aug 22 2016, 06:14 PM |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 22 2016, 06:07 PM) funny u should mention "1/3" So, it is more like 590 mpa for Bezza.can you read chinese? http://coco01.net/post/118517 read the MPa figure they are boasting about. So much for 'UHTS' claim. |
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Sebab tu dia berat. Pakai besi tebal. Tu yg telan minyak tu huhuhu
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QUOTE(v1n0d @ Aug 22 2016, 05:46 PM) omg it's the proton guys and their life sized sex doll fetish againsiap ada tudung lagi minah crash test dummy to. mesti nama pun dah taruk Amira 1, Amira 2, Afiqah 1, 2 , Nurul etc dude you should watch their other vid about crash test dummies. the nigga deadass in love with the crash test bitch. they laughin and having conversations and shit wtffff? This post has been edited by Vexation: Aug 22 2016, 06:17 PM |
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well.. if i was in a car crash, I would prefer if Bomba could cut the car open ASAP...
and my car to suffer minimum damage during the crash impact... |
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QUOTE(frossonice @ Aug 22 2016, 06:12 PM) Although important, steel strength is not the be-all-end-all factor in cabin stiffness, there is also the design and weld points.If Bezza can score full stars in NCAP, maybe there is some clever design going on. |
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Kereta potong susah nak potong.
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 22 2016, 06:10 PM) as far as I know only Mazda using 1.8GPa steel on their CX5. and only on the front reinforcement beam. and u saying whole car chassis was formed with HPF meh? am sure is only few critical components only la.isnt the final figure the most important? regardless of the strength before treatment? i think if start from high figure steel stocks is better and consistent overall strength for the part. |
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i think ayam a bit amazed
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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:58 PM) it's not just the safety features & safety rating. not because they are best selling car model?there is a reason y u see most of the car involve in accidents are perodua, especially myvi. bcoz the car is so crappy in terms on control, making it much more prone to accident. can you count? proton wira need 16 years, myvi like 10 ![]() ![]() This post has been edited by big[1]: Aug 22 2016, 06:24 PM |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:18 PM) and u saying whole car chassis was formed with HPF meh? am sure is only few critical components only la. of coz not la, just the critical parts.i think if start from high figure steel stocks is better and consistent overall strength for the part. if stock steel figure higher of course is better. But I think 1500MPa on a popularly precieved Milo tin car is worth mentioning. I mean, credit where credit is due. |
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QUOTE(s@ni @ Aug 22 2016, 06:02 PM) to be honest, i think u r right.. maybe not so many, but some buyers might regret.. Malaysians buy according to brand/price..safety last however, depends on user. safety VS FC/reliability QUOTE(fuadfadz @ Aug 22 2016, 06:03 PM) Bezza ugly & plastic |
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well.. you know what they say..
1 myvi driver killed, another is reborn.. Lol |
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so kalau langgar sikit , door still can open or not?
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QUOTE(big1 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:25 PM) Myvi not safe. 2009 model ezi autoSomething went wrong in the controller. Press oil pedal become brake, press brake become oil. Crazy.. Lucky 500m infront of cheras svc center. Show mech they tested quietly took my car for 1 week say replace ecu. Sometime when drive along federal bangsar to klang can spot myvi terbakar. I suspect its some frontal impact can cause car to ignite... This 3-4 case myvi is same. Sold d car. |
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bad brand reputation..but capable of producing good cars every now and then...
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QUOTE(chanti-sama @ Aug 22 2016, 06:49 PM) Myvi not safe. 2009 model ezi auto Bullsh1t to the highest levelSomething went wrong in the controller. Press oil pedal become brake, press brake become oil. Crazy.. Lucky 500m infront of cheras svc center. Show mech they tested quietly took my car for 1 week say replace ecu. Sometime when drive along federal bangsar to klang can spot myvi terbakar. I suspect its some frontal impact can cause car to ignite... This 3-4 case myvi is same. Sold d car. |
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Malaysian people who opt to buy myvi is more like
DUDE. MY MYVI IS DAIHATSU OR TOYOTA YOU KNOW. JAPANNMNNNNNNNN YOU KNOW. WHAT SAFETY SAFETY. SEE MY CAR ALSO GOT AIR BAG. SAFETY GOT LA. Then I speechless Liao. I almost wanted to slap them. Dude. No money buy foreign car then say la.... Why talk like that... |
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sape berani cakap potong ialah tin milo lagi
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 22 2016, 07:00 PM) Malaysian people who opt to buy myvi is more like So how is your proton?DUDE. MY MYVI IS DAIHATSU OR TOYOTA YOU KNOW. JAPANNMNNNNNNNN YOU KNOW. WHAT SAFETY SAFETY. SEE MY CAR ALSO GOT AIR BAG. SAFETY GOT LA. Then I speechless Liao. I almost wanted to slap them. Dude. No money buy foreign car then say la.... Why talk like that... |
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sure laku if toyota rebadge it!
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if we go by all the specs released by proton so far, it seems that proton cars are way better than any other cars within the same price bracket.... too bad the sales performance didnt reflect that quality.
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QUOTE(DSEcomp @ Aug 22 2016, 04:55 PM) even though my savvy is old and people all tell me why buy the ugly car and why buy proton savvy.................. U naik kuda pergi kerja?and the bad amt renault reputation i still proud of my proton savvy manual ................................................................. year 2006 that time i buy and 40k savvy manual (1.2litre 4 cylinder engine) and rm45k for 1.0 3 cylinder myvi manual it is 97000km mileage only after 10 and 1/2 years |
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so now proton steel high keras? so?
Safety =/= keras |
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stupid, how can u compare like that, thats why if you value your life, dont drive proton, they were designed by partial idiot. why partial, cause they dont use proton themselves, so they are not complete idiot.
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Later they will say, ohhh... Kite makan minyak sb safety la bro...
Ingatlah safety, minyak biar je... Kan kan kan? If ask more then they will "admit" Campro is heavy and young engine... Jadi heavy skit.. slow skit... But bagi chance etc etc |
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meh. honda better. auto deploy airbag
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why so much fuss? i thought HPF have been part of proton circa preve.
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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ Aug 22 2016, 05:46 PM) serba salah sebab proton dah upgrade ke HPF.me-lo masih ingat bila dapat pengiktirafan dan pengiklanan percuma bersama setiap unit proton... ... tetapi ... ... walaupun hati masih nak menumpang glemer advertising "proton == me-lo", walaupun HPF dan lebih environmental-friendly sebab boleh guna berkali-kali antara refill tanpa risau berkarat dan kemik, me-lo khuatir tak terjual bila include harga naik melampau nanti. |
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QUOTE(cicak.fakir @ Aug 22 2016, 09:07 PM) serba salah sebab proton dah upgrade ke HPF. me-lo masih ingat bila dapat pengiktirafan dan pengiklanan percuma bersama setiap unit proton... ... tetapi ... ... walaupun hati masih nak menumpang glemer advertising "proton == me-lo", walaupun HPF dan lebih environmental-friendly sebab boleh guna berkali-kali antara refill tanpa risau berkarat dan kemik, me-lo khuatir tak terjual bila include harga naik melampau nanti. ![]() |
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QUOTE(ayygringo95 @ Aug 22 2016, 08:25 PM) Highest spec Iriz have 6 airbags, Standard spec like the picture you post only have 2 airbags, the safety equipment are the same with lowest spec Iriz. Doesn't matter, the AOP score is the same across all Iriz range, be it 2 airbags or 6 airbags. Fact of the matter is, Iriz barely made it 5 stars in frontal collision test (minimum is 14.00 in AOP).![]() Too bad the score does not include side impact tests, something which the curtain airbags would make a huge difference. This post has been edited by dares: Aug 22 2016, 09:14 PM |
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if proton still use back cam x pro engine and stupid sohai punch CVT,
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on a serious note, have always wondered, back in the old days, ...
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Dat fucking wheel arch. Seriously proton? Wtf are they thinking? Small wheel is fine, can upgrade. But fucking wrong wheel arch? There's no correcting that. What an ugly proportion. Just thinking about buying proton. But no thanks.
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terbaik proton
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To add, the Persona 2016 have 8 HPF parts.
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Theirs is HPF. means all the japanese cars are inferior to proton is it. Like vios corolla and camry are more inferior compared to protons. Serious questions. Or its just that japanese are not advertising their processing
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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Aug 22 2016, 05:47 PM) iriz also hpf. how come bezza score better in terms of frontal crash of course? bezza scored 15.38/16. iriz scored 14.07/16. HPF just to avoid driver/passenger cockpit from deformed. NCAP test based on sensor from dummy inside the car. Iriz score low not because of HPF but sensor detect leg area of dummy get damage signal by those part from engine bay/dashboard. Remember bout Aussie Accord got 4 star ANCAP later Honda make adjustment to get 5 star. |
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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Aug 22 2016, 08:37 PM) if proton could gain 5 stars with 'only' HPF, why need for more supposedly expensive steel? looks like proton engineers are so pro they managed to cut cost with l337 technique. since when did they manage to cut cost with each car they build? if they did . they wont lose 1.6bil building 100k cars right? i.e. 16k per car in losses. |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 22 2016, 05:50 PM) uhtss can be from 550mpa above. depend on method and type of steels used. hpf is a method use to form uhtss.for proton,hpf method around 1500mpa, roll forming method around 900 to 1200mpa. thats what ive been informed. it has been used since preve onwards. |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 22 2016, 09:13 PM) Doesn't matter, the AOP score is the same across all Iriz range, be it 2 airbags or 6 airbags. Fact of the matter is, Iriz barely made it 5 stars in frontal collision test (minimum is 14.00 in AOP). yup,its true,bezza scored excellently in it. for iriz, it is due to mark being deduct from modifier. Im hoping they managed to rectify it in persona n iriz(facelift).![]() Too bad the score does not include side impact tests, something which the curtain airbags would make a huge difference. The importance of hard shell/cage,when it is tested in frontal under-ride, front pole,30 degree oblique,side pole and dynamic roll over,dynamic rear impact and full frontal fix barrier like adr 69/00. thats why the video 360 showing front underride crash,rather than 40% odb frontal crash test. that is the info i got. |
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QUOTE(zaman_chem @ Aug 22 2016, 11:42 PM) HPF just to avoid driver/passenger cockpit from deformed. NCAP test based on sensor from dummy inside the car. Iriz score low not because of HPF but sensor detect leg area of dummy get damage signal by those part from engine bay/dashboard. Remember bout Aussie Accord got 4 star ANCAP later Honda make adjustment to get 5 star. Is this why bezza has excessively long foot well?I think it's the dashboard though, the iriz has a very hard plastic underneath the steering that limit the space for look perhaps? That annoyed the hell out of me. |
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it's good to see proton is getting serious on safety.
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1. One of the main contributor for good crash result is the weight. Bezza is 930kg max while iriz 1180kg max. In frontal odb test, the kinetic energy come from the car itself. Crash engineer rule of thumb, 100kg reduction leads to 10% less intrusion @ firewall. Easier to get good result.
2. Engine package. The smaller the size (not cc), the better the crash result. Bezza has good engine package. 3. Crash is stochastic event, very difficult to get consistent result especially @ lower leg area. Let say you can get max 16 points in one test, you can get as low as 15.4 points in another test. So if iriz 14.07, most probably due to it is at the lowest limit (engineer task is to ensure that in the worst variation, it can still achieve the target) 4. Crash result depends on dummy calibration. For each area, head, neck, chest, femur, tibia etc there's a corridor that the dummy need to comply. let say chest deflection, you can have variations up to 6mm between dummy to another dummy. If in the test, you get dummy calibrated at the lower corridor, then you're lucky. How do I know this? I used to worked as crash simulation engineer for audi. For you to compare iriz and bezza result is unfair due to huge weight difference, this has been explained in NCAP FAQ. In high speed collision between both car, bezza has less chance to survive. Bezza has max 590MPa steel, iriz has countless 590MPa, a few 780,980,1180MPa parts with a couple of 1470MPa grade of hot formed steel |
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Aug 22 2016, 11:21 PM) Theirs is HPF. means all the japanese cars are inferior to proton is it. Like vios corolla and camry are more inferior compared to protons. Serious questions. Or its just that japanese are not advertising their processing The japanese may use UHSS up to 1000-1300mpa. It can achieve similar strength level like HPF steel, but at the expense of weight. |
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HPF is ULTRA HIGH STRENGTH STELL (UHSS). When people talk about numbers like 590, 780, 1000, 1200.....that is tensile strength, not their hardness (Hv). HPF can be fabricate with 900 tensile strength and have >500Hv level. That is some tough stuff.
Bezza max tensile is 590. They scored high ASEAN NCAP because of their small engine, which create more space in the engine room, thus during frontal impact, their small engine have less intrusion into cabin + Active Safety features (which if we remove from the package on the lower line, you basically exposed to serious injury) |
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Aug 23 2016, 01:20 AM) yup,its true,bezza scored excellently in it. for iriz, it is due to mark being deduct from modifier. Im hoping they managed to rectify it in persona n iriz(facelift). Yea I read modifier "footwell rupture". Is it identified as an design issue or an isolated event in the crash test? if design issue, there are no plans to address it in the Iriz's current iteration?QUOTE(tidus2k @ Aug 23 2016, 07:52 AM) 1. One of the main contributor for good crash result is the weight. Bezza is 930kg max while iriz 1180kg max. In frontal odb test, the kinetic energy come from the car itself. Crash engineer rule of thumb, 100kg reduction leads to 10% less intrusion @ firewall. Easier to get good result. Good info 2. Engine package. The smaller the size (not cc), the better the crash result. Bezza has good engine package. 3. Crash is stochastic event, very difficult to get consistent result especially @ lower leg area. Let say you can get max 16 points in one test, you can get as low as 15.4 points in another test. So if iriz 14.07, most probably due to it is at the lowest limit (engineer task is to ensure that in the worst variation, it can still achieve the target) 4. Crash result depends on dummy calibration. For each area, head, neck, chest, femur, tibia etc there's a corridor that the dummy need to comply. let say chest deflection, you can have variations up to 6mm between dummy to another dummy. If in the test, you get dummy calibrated at the lower corridor, then you're lucky. How do I know this? I used to worked as crash simulation engineer for audi. For you to compare iriz and bezza result is unfair due to huge weight difference, this has been explained in NCAP FAQ. In high speed collision between both car, bezza has less chance to survive. Bezza has max 590MPa steel, iriz has countless 590MPa, a few 780,980,1180MPa parts with a couple of 1470MPa grade of hot formed steel |
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QUOTE(wholaimi @ Aug 23 2016, 08:14 AM) HPF is ULTRA HIGH STRENGTH STELL (UHSS). When people talk about numbers like 590, 780, 1000, 1200.....that is tensile strength, not their hardness (Hv). HPF can be fabricate with 900 tensile strength and have >500Hv level. That is some tough stuff. If say between a 2-airbag Iriz and 2-airbag Bezza, which do you think would fare better in a side impact? Bezza max tensile is 590. They scored high ASEAN NCAP because of their small engine, which create more space in the engine room, thus during frontal impact, their small engine have less intrusion into cabin + Active Safety features (which if we remove from the package on the lower line, you basically exposed to serious injury) This post has been edited by dares: Aug 23 2016, 08:25 AM |
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QUOTE(akagidemon @ Aug 23 2016, 03:55 AM) it's good to see proton is getting serious on safety. Maybe Volvo of Malaysia, if want to say Asia is too wide.. Subaru already been knew as Japanese Volvo at oversea.. Still Proton still a long way to go.. 6 Air-bags and VSC is a normal in the past.. Now people are gunning Emergency Automated Brake system, lane departure system or Automated Driving System.. Previously if not mistaken Proton got work with LG (google: Proton Iriz prototype fitted with LG ADAS camera).. But where is the result... heck they can even become somesort like a volvo of asia if they want. become obsessed with safety like volvo until make cars with super hard body shell using boron steel. |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 23 2016, 08:25 AM) If say between a 2-airbag Iriz and 2-airbag Bezza, which do you think would fare better in a side impact? 1. Have you seen the 360 videos right? There is CAE analysis video of side impact. The intrusion were targeted at b pillar lower area. This means less intrusion at the chest and pelvic area. That should indicate a very good side impact result even without side and curtain airbag. Mind you that iriz use HPF grade for side impact. 2. Bezza has the advantage also, being lightweight, the inertia of the whole vehicle is less than iriz. But Bezza only use max 590MPa (advance high strength steel), the rest 270MPa (mild steel), 340MPa and 440MPa (high strength steel) I manage to find a picture of bezza body in white. From the picture it is hard to imagine what type of material that they use. The color code is probably not indicate material, but crash load path (front, side etc) http://www.automachi.com/2016/07/why_perod...an_ncap_5_star/ So who knows, unless they test the car and publish the result |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 23 2016, 09:25 AM) If say between a 2-airbag Iriz and 2-airbag Bezza, which do you think would fare better in a side impact? In term of frontal crash, it would be equal bcoz bezza small engine+large engine clearance & iriz UHSS.but if we measure on crash worthiness, iriz & new persona win because their UHSS are well-positioned in all critical area of the body (Front Pillars, Side Members, Center Pillars). I believe new Persona also have HPF on B-Pillar (Center Pillar) for side impact like Iriz |
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Aug 23 2016, 08:33 AM) Maybe Volvo of Malaysia, if want to say Asia is too wide.. Subaru already been knew as Japanese Volvo at oversea.. Still Proton still a long way to go.. 6 Air-bags and VSC is a normal in the past.. Now people are gunning Emergency Automated Brake system, lane departure system or Automated Driving System.. Previously if not mistaken Proton got work with LG (google: Proton Iriz prototype fitted with LG ADAS camera).. But where is the result... ADAS, AEB is for Proton on wards and they already prepared for it whenever our local JPJ gazeted it or ASEAN NCAP demand for it. If put it now, it just create unnecessary cost. They already trying hard to push the important of ESC last time, but at the end our local market are just not very sensitive in terms of this active safety system. Probably the new Exora will have this feature hopefully. |
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QUOTE(tidus2k @ Aug 23 2016, 08:40 AM) 1. Have you seen the 360 videos right? There is CAE analysis video of side impact. The intrusion were targeted at b pillar lower area. This means less intrusion at the chest and pelvic area. That should indicate a very good side impact result even without side and curtain airbag. Mind you that iriz use HPF grade for side impact. 2. Bezza has the advantage also, being lightweight, the inertia of the whole vehicle is less than iriz. But Bezza only use max 590MPa (advance high strength steel), the rest 270MPa (mild steel), 340MPa and 440MPa (high strength steel) I manage to find a picture of bezza body in white. From the picture it is hard to imagine what type of material that they use. The color code is probably not indicate material, but crash load path (front, side etc) http://www.automachi.com/2016/07/why_perod...an_ncap_5_star/ So who knows, unless they test the car and publish the result QUOTE(wholaimi @ Aug 23 2016, 08:41 AM) In term of frontal crash, it would be equal bcoz bezza small engine+large engine clearance & iriz UHSS. Thanks but if we measure on crash worthiness, iriz & new persona win because their UHSS are well-positioned in all critical area of the body (Front Pillars, Side Members, Center Pillars). I believe new Persona also have HPF on B-Pillar (Center Pillar) for side impact like Iriz This post has been edited by dares: Aug 23 2016, 08:57 AM |
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Aug 23 2016, 08:46 AM) If both hurling at each other with both vehicle speed 64kph 40% offset , vios will surely die. There is a finite element model of Toyota yaris sedan 2010 US version which is equivalent to Toyota vios dugong in Malaysia readily available to download at national crash analysis center, George Washington university. Oem use this as benchmark. I have seen it. The structure is weak.Based on yaris model, only one part has tensile strength >1000Mpa, the rest max 590MPa This post has been edited by tidus2k: Aug 23 2016, 09:02 AM |
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Aug 23 2016, 08:33 AM) Maybe Volvo of Malaysia, if want to say Asia is too wide.. Subaru already been knew as Japanese Volvo at oversea.. Still Proton still a long way to go.. 6 Air-bags and VSC is a normal in the past.. Now people are gunning Emergency Automated Brake system, lane departure system or Automated Driving System.. Previously if not mistaken Proton got work with LG (google: Proton Iriz prototype fitted with LG ADAS camera).. But where is the result... maybe not yet the time to put it in the cars. cost could be a driving factor. |
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Aug 23 2016, 08:46 AM) Although is not iriz Vs vios... but this case was suprima s vs altis. Head to head crash in GentingBoth 5 star. The report says passenger in altis were serious injured compare to suprima driver ![]() Source https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3549340/all |
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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Aug 23 2016, 09:51 AM) ok kejap2 with the bash.. Aiming for sedan ke?memang in market to buy new car. family car and not so import la coz pocket not deep which one to wait for or buy now? Either test drive persona and bezza now, or wait saga release next month and test drive altogether then you decide |
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QUOTE(loserking206 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:48 PM) smua tak kena... potong pakai tin milo kene marah, potong pakai besi kuat pun kene marah. sebab dulu kena tipu kao kao byk marah sampai tak ada confident . Kalau btl btl mau sales lebih banyak dari produa mereka harus letak harga kereta persona ni 44K full spec saga full spec 30k macam tu mesti akan jadi top sales ggwp potong |
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QUOTE(tidus2k @ Aug 23 2016, 07:52 AM) 1. One of the main contributor for good crash result is the weight. Bezza is 930kg max while iriz 1180kg max. In frontal odb test, the kinetic energy come from the car itself. Crash engineer rule of thumb, 100kg reduction leads to 10% less intrusion @ firewall. Easier to get good result. 2. Engine package. The smaller the size (not cc), the better the crash result. Bezza has good engine package. 3. Crash is stochastic event, very difficult to get consistent result especially @ lower leg area. Let say you can get max 16 points in one test, you can get as low as 15.4 points in another test. So if iriz 14.07, most probably due to it is at the lowest limit (engineer task is to ensure that in the worst variation, it can still achieve the target) 4. Crash result depends on dummy calibration. For each area, head, neck, chest, femur, tibia etc there's a corridor that the dummy need to comply. let say chest deflection, you can have variations up to 6mm between dummy to another dummy. If in the test, you get dummy calibrated at the lower corridor, then you're lucky. How do I know this? I used to worked as crash simulation engineer for audi. For you to compare iriz and bezza result is unfair due to huge weight difference, this has been explained in NCAP FAQ. In high speed collision between both car, bezza has less chance to survive. Bezza has max 590MPa steel, iriz has countless 590MPa, a few 780,980,1180MPa parts with a couple of 1470MPa grade of hot formed steel |
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seen one in the flesh just now
ok lah not as akward as the pictures all variet wear the same bodykit though so no real inclination to buy premium |
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 23 2016, 09:47 AM) Although is not iriz Vs vios... but this case was suprima s vs altis. Head to head crash in Genting So suprima > toyota world number 1?Both 5 star. The report says passenger in altis were serious injured compare to suprima driver ![]() Source https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3549340/all Try so hard!! |
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Aug 23 2016, 08:41 AM) the moment Cai2 saw Bezza can score better Ancap 5star, that's where their HPF selling point slowly diminished Volvo invite media to witness their crash test, have their engineers to explain the results of test, and why it makes their car World's Safest Car.luckily they got Bomba crap to ease their gelabah plotek feeling lol need to drag Bomba as selling point... ever saw Volvo did that in Sweden? topkek |
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ohh SA say persona use timing chain
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Launch liao.. co grats proton, waiting for lab rat to test first. Next year i buy
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FYI...for those who make fun of bomba dtg potong in the advert...
actually Proton had to demonstrate to inform BOMBA & JPAM about cutting the body of the car especially with HPF/UHSS. Identify them which area to cut since front monoque body are made of HPF/UHSS. It was done during the introdcution of Preve to ensure bomba & jpam have the right equipment in case of an accident. |
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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Aug 23 2016, 01:11 PM) not with proton quality. My experience with proton, once it starts making noise, it will not stop no matter how much money poured in the repair costs. Door rattles, drum brakes, alarm. Never again. Even if proton makes RM50K hover car with time travel, P2 better choice. |
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QUOTE(crash123 @ Aug 23 2016, 01:27 PM) Lol buthurt so much?70k car more safety than 130k car? Talk kok la boy.Inb4 xde quality Inb4 toyota sales Inb4 resale value U trying so hard to bash proton? Toyota altis selling in literally EVERY country on earth. Your jaguh kampung cannot sell at all. Have to be so pitiful come to /k go to f&f post these kind of accident photo to push for sales. Maybe proton have a good product this time. But i am truly sorry and feel very kesian for you all need to resort to advertise here with accident photo. Its like this. You fark the user kaw kaw. People remember forever. Nobody would trust you anymore. toyoi |
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too bd .. 99% oledi book bezza
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apa lagi sarahan potong?
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QUOTE(Vape On @ Aug 23 2016, 05:00 PM) Talk kok la boy. Ya i already know u will talk kok about sell, resale value, and so on. And here we talk about how tough suprima compare to altis even though the price difference. Really kecian this type of people. Need to derail the tered to make himself feel secure.Toyota altis selling in literally EVERY country on earth. Your jaguh kampung cannot sell at all. Have to be so pitiful come to /k go to f&f post these kind of accident photo to push for sales. Maybe proton have a good product this time. But i am truly sorry and feel very kesian for you all need to resort to advertise here with accident photo. Its like this. You fark the user kaw kaw. People remember forever. Nobody would trust you anymore. toyoi |
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can't believe they actually show us the hammer & saw tests
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my god its not about the strength of the material only la dear cavemans, its all in the whole structured design. And for ancap different segment cars should not be compared directly haizz.
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Ini thread dah jadi engineer vs salesman kah
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Saw the new persona being test drove in Glenmarie today. Overall exterior design and looks is much better than Bezza. The driver also kaw kaw drove the car cilok here and there and use hard brake... The road was clear so I just follow the Persona until the junction.
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QUOTE(xxhunter @ Aug 23 2016, 05:24 PM) my god its not about the strength of the material only la dear cavemans, its all in the whole structured design. And for ancap different segment cars should not be compared directly haizz. deswai i dunno why HPF , which is a steel forming technology suddenly end up as a factor to promote safety lol.just say you got use a few metal parts which achieve ultra high tensile strength la. and show 3d chassis diagram on those colored parts example below. no one cares if its HPF or other ways to achieve the strength. ![]() |
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Anyone had test drive persona??any comment??just now i had read the comment in fb..they keep mentioned that the space for leg in rear seat were not satisfying them..is it true?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 23 2016, 07:06 PM) deswai i dunno why HPF , which is a steel forming technology suddenly end up as a factor to promote safety lol. Agreed. I also don't understand why they choose to pimp HPF instead of UHSS.just say you got use a few metal parts which achieve ultra high tensile strength la. Actually what they were trying to communicate was "Unlike most carmakers, we have some high tech HPF press in our factory that can make lightweight UHSS, so our cars are tough but lightweight"......which would invite more questions like "lightweight why FC still so high?" or "so that's why you need RM1.5bil bailout because you spent the money on some fancy press machine" Oh well....that's Poton marketing for you. If they had just simply threw out a 1.5GPa figure it would've been simpler and more impressive, instead of HPF HPF HPF. This post has been edited by dares: Aug 23 2016, 08:12 PM |
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QUOTE(tidus2k @ Aug 23 2016, 07:52 AM) 1. One of the main contributor for good crash result is the weight. Bezza is 930kg max while iriz 1180kg max. In frontal odb test, the kinetic energy come from the car itself. Crash engineer rule of thumb, 100kg reduction leads to 10% less intrusion @ firewall. Easier to get good result. good info. thanks for sharing.2. Engine package. The smaller the size (not cc), the better the crash result. Bezza has good engine package. 3. Crash is stochastic event, very difficult to get consistent result especially @ lower leg area. Let say you can get max 16 points in one test, you can get as low as 15.4 points in another test. So if iriz 14.07, most probably due to it is at the lowest limit (engineer task is to ensure that in the worst variation, it can still achieve the target) 4. Crash result depends on dummy calibration. For each area, head, neck, chest, femur, tibia etc there's a corridor that the dummy need to comply. let say chest deflection, you can have variations up to 6mm between dummy to another dummy. If in the test, you get dummy calibrated at the lower corridor, then you're lucky. How do I know this? I used to worked as crash simulation engineer for audi. For you to compare iriz and bezza result is unfair due to huge weight difference, this has been explained in NCAP FAQ. In high speed collision between both car, bezza has less chance to survive. Bezza has max 590MPa steel, iriz has countless 590MPa, a few 780,980,1180MPa parts with a couple of 1470MPa grade of hot formed steel |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 23 2016, 08:11 PM) Agreed. I also don't understand why they choose to pimp HPF instead of UHSS. I mean why not? It is a marketing opportunity and you make use of it. They didn't emphasize on HPF at all during Preve, just mention about it at glance. But it is not part of their big marketing campaign. Not in the Suprima and Iriz. Now they decided, we have this technology and others don't. how fool are we not use this as marketing? If other automakers have this, they will make use full of it. Even the Perodua already quite bangga about their 590Mpa HS. Proton just keep quite about this. Even exora already have UHSS they did not market it properly.Actually what they were trying to communicate was "Unlike most carmakers, we have some high tech HPF press in our factory that can make lightweight UHSS, so our cars are tough but lightweight"......which would invite more questions like "lightweight why FC still so high?" or "so that's why you need RM1.5bil bailout because you spent the money on some fancy press machine" Oh well....that's Poton marketing for you. If they had just simply threw out a 1.5GPa figure it would've been simpler and more impressive, instead of HPF HPF HPF. This post has been edited by ruffstuff: Aug 23 2016, 10:59 PM |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 23 2016, 10:59 PM) I mean why not? It is a marketing opportunity and you make use of it. They didn't emphasize on HPF at all during Preve, just mention about it at glance. But it is not part of their big marketing campaign. Not in the Suprima and Iriz. Now they decided, we have this technology and others don't. how fool are we not use this as marketing? If other automakers have this, they will make use full of it. Even the Perodua already quite bangga about their 590Mpa HS. Proton just keep quite about this. Even exora already have UHSS they did not market it properly. Sure HPF is nice to have. But UHSS would be the more important point right? I mean the name UHSS directly refers to strong steel used in the car, while HPF refers to the process only.You look at the Persona360 video, at the shot showing the factory floor, on of the Persona assembly line, replace those "HPF HPF HPF HPF" with "UHSS UHSS UHSS UHSS".....wouldn't that be more straight to the point? |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 23 2016, 07:06 PM) deswai i dunno why HPF , which is a steel forming technology suddenly end up as a factor to promote safety lol. they have actually,during preve,suprima,iriz,but persona i think will come later when they called up the media for media drive in open road,rather than tracks. even during exora,they also explain it.just say you got use a few metal parts which achieve ultra high tensile strength la. and show 3d chassis diagram on those colored parts example below. no one cares if its HPF or other ways to achieve the strength. ![]() This is just my own opinion, for general public, we can say it strong,we can put figures 1500mpa n etc,but the question still remains,how strong it is? unless u r car enthusiast or have engineering background,then it shudnt be a problem. But for general public, they need to see something that easier to comprehend and you have only 2 minutes to explain in a short video. htss or uhtss always appear in any car launching in malaysia,but what make proton diff then? and it also to show the improvement proton has made from old model to the newer one. if talking about uhtss,what a fuss about that,gen 2 already use it eventhough minimum. That is what it means he evolution from old persona to new persona. i believe its clearly evidence in the video, from mild steel being process using hpf method create stronger material, it stated 5 times,but anyone can write that. like 5 star ncap,eventhough ita already stated 5 star ncap,general public will question,just 64kmh,48kmh,56kmh,35kmh,just hitting barrier,not hitting an actual car n bla bla bla,n it only be prove when actually accident happened,after then people will say,oic,thats why its 5 star,thats why its strong n etc. but make a teaser video showing real accident isnt really good for launching/traser of a new car(eventhough its being used prev,but not video,with consent of the owner). how many times u still hearing tin milo of proton cars,even its not tin milo to begin with. since gen2,proton has started use htss n slowly use uhtss(roll forming uhtss for side beam impact),n still u can hear it now even during persona launch. general public isnt like lowyat forum. safety never been 1st things in their mind,so,it is a part of safety education. if not,since gen 2 they already know and understand it. as i mentioned previously,i dont care about proton sales cuz im not selling proton cars or what ever cars. i just want them to improve,be better,and sometimes improvement need to be told,or people wont realise that. even being told, it is still unheard. same as bcm. so many technical things being highlighted during exora launch,but many dont realise it. thats why now they just simplify things,hopefully it reach the public in general. and for techie part,i think upcoming media drive will explain what matter most for those who do understand those techie part. i just pity those in rnd, they work their ass out despite a lot of limitations especially on budgets n man power. Those otai2 in rnd already flock to bigger companies. They need to be highlighted nd to be heard, its the 1st time if i can recall,their work behind the scene being put in video teasers. If not,just faz & fairuz,which you know it just an ads,like any others ads. im deeply sorry for long comment. |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 23 2016, 11:11 PM) Sure HPF is nice to have. But UHSS would be the more important point right? I mean the name UHSS directly refers to strong steel used in the car, while HPF refers to the process only. I think by emphasizing the process HPF will contribute more "wow factor" rather than just mention UTHSS. UTHSS not necessarily must be manufacturered by using HPF. Event u can direct press from UTHSS steel coil without any special process such as HPF. Plus not all people know what is UTHSS, its strength etc.You look at the Persona360 video, at the shot showing the factory floor, on of the Persona assembly line, replace those "HPF HPF HPF HPF" with "UHSS UHSS UHSS UHSS".....wouldn't that be more straight to the point? |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:49 PM) manufacturers around the world promote Ultra high tensile steel do you realise Ultra High Strength Steel start from 700MPa onward. This HPF is actually >1500Mpa and in ultra high tensile strength steel category.this one promote HPF pulak.. lol means to say they not using Ultra high tensile steel to begin with! Also proton has been using this part since Preve, and the development project start from 2010. |
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Aug 23 2016, 11:21 PM) they have actually,during preve,suprima,iriz,but persona i think will come later when they called up the media for media drive in open road,rather than tracks. even during exora,they also explain it. dont be sorry, your points are all valid.This is just my own opinion, for general public, we can say it strong,we can put figures 1500mpa n etc,but the question still remains,how strong it is? unless u r car enthusiast or have engineering background,then it shudnt be a problem. But for general public, they need to see something that easier to comprehend and you have only 2 minutes to explain in a short video. htss or uhtss always appear in any car launching in malaysia,but what make proton diff then? and it also to show the improvement proton has made from old model to the newer one. if talking about uhtss,what a fuss about that,gen 2 already use it eventhough minimum. That is what it means he evolution from old persona to new persona. i believe its clearly evidence in the video, from mild steel being process using hpf method create stronger material, it stated 5 times,but anyone can write that. like 5 star ncap,eventhough ita already stated 5 star ncap,general public will question,just 64kmh,48kmh,56kmh,35kmh,just hitting barrier,not hitting an actual car n bla bla bla,n it only be prove when actually accident happened,after then people will say,oic,thats why its 5 star,thats why its strong n etc. but make a teaser video showing real accident isnt really good for launching/traser of a new car(eventhough its being used prev,but not video,with consent of the owner). how many times u still hearing tin milo of proton cars,even its not tin milo to begin with. since gen2,proton has started use htss n slowly use uhtss(roll forming uhtss for side beam impact),n still u can hear it now even during persona launch. general public isnt like lowyat forum. safety never been 1st things in their mind,so,it is a part of safety education. if not,since gen 2 they already know and understand it. as i mentioned previously,i dont care about proton sales cuz im not selling proton cars or what ever cars. i just want them to improve,be better,and sometimes improvement need to be told,or people wont realise that. even being told, it is still unheard. same as bcm. so many technical things being highlighted during exora launch,but many dont realise it. thats why now they just simplify things,hopefully it reach the public in general. and for techie part,i think upcoming media drive will explain what matter most for those who do understand those techie part. i just pity those in rnd, they work their ass out despite a lot of limitations especially on budgets n man power. Those otai2 in rnd already flock to bigger companies. They need to be highlighted nd to be heard, its the 1st time if i can recall,their work behind the scene being put in video teasers. If not,just faz & fairuz,which you know it just an ads,like any others ads. im deeply sorry for long comment. |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 23 2016, 11:11 PM) Sure HPF is nice to have. But UHSS would be the more important point right? I mean the name UHSS directly refers to strong steel used in the car, while HPF refers to the process only. You look at the Persona360 video, at the shot showing the factory floor, on of the Persona assembly line, replace those "HPF HPF HPF HPF" with "UHSS UHSS UHSS UHSS".....wouldn't that be more straight to the point? QUOTE(axelrade @ Aug 23 2016, 11:41 PM) do you realise Ultra High Strength Steel start from 700MPa onward. This HPF is actually >1500Mpa and in ultra high tensile strength steel category. Also proton has been using this part since Preve, and the development project start from 2010. |
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QUOTE(axelrade @ Aug 23 2016, 11:41 PM) do you realise Ultra High Strength Steel start from 700MPa onward. This HPF is actually >1500Mpa and in ultra high tensile strength steel category. HPF is process la processAlso proton has been using this part since Preve, and the development project start from 2010. its not the product. |
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QUOTE(hakimkacak93 @ Aug 23 2016, 07:57 PM) Anyone had test drive persona??any comment??just now i had read the comment in fb..they keep mentioned that the space for leg in rear seat were not satisfying them..is it true? I go to 2 different shopboth also never offered me testdrive my comments on the interior no annoyance that I find in the iriz is fix, still stupid headunit, still stupid dashboard cover underneath at driver seats. still stupid smartag holder that can't hold the smartag, still stupid door unlocked button that cannot be seen during daylight, still stupid oversized push start button casing, still no armrest, a sad thing when P2 try hard to fix axia disadvantages with bezza,P1 just don't give a fucuk. probably make it worse too. 2 tone I like but grey centre consul is ugly. the front seat seems different than iriz. they make it small probably to make potential buyer think the car is big. bit there's go one of the main advantage of P1 cabin, the really comfy seats. backseat even worse, not only no adjustable headrest, the cutout has been cheapen so now no back support, it's also shorter that the integrated headrest is only below my neck. felts really like wira backseat. so I ask the SA, they say they don't know. kereta baru then I try to go into an iriz but both shop kunci the iriz. so I try opening other models , and the saga and preve are unlocked. even ask them to open the iriz which they don't wanna do. exterior bontot very gooding yoo. bestest bontot proton ever did. nice job on the tail lights as well, despite being bulbs it's look like Kia high keras light. front also look so garang. make the car seems wider and lower and finally the base model look equivalents to other variants and not cacat like iriz standards. but the side bit cacat. look like the dugong vios all over again. but the base persona is a whole 6k cheaper than iriz plus the free service should add another 3k discount so its ok though. notice that at least in Melaka the public don't give a fucuk. there's less pipu around then the iriz launch and showroom are closed before 9pm and lot less than that other manufacturers who open showrooms till 12 on launch day. |
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Aug 24 2016, 12:08 AM) just asking 1 question ..what is the minimum MPA to be categorized under ultra high tensile steel category? maybe as someone above says maybe from 700..all the way to 2000i am not steel guy .. so just bare with my newbie question can use any process that is required to handle it. at the end still state as what strength steel.(product) not HPF ke cold rolled ke..(process) |
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QUOTE(axelrade @ Aug 24 2016, 12:13 AM) I know HPF is process which is hot press forming. But the term HPF steel normally being use to identify this type of steel. NOPEfor sharing comes in rolls and sheets also above 1000MPa (not even hot pressed yet) some steel suppliers data sheet below. pic added ![]() This post has been edited by ar188: Aug 24 2016, 12:27 AM Attached thumbnail(s) |
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If the bombs can't cut the car in the event of an accident, they can just burn the car with the half dead victims inside.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:36 PM) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLZHyz6WIO4 use this la english and 60fps version |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 24 2016, 12:26 AM) NOPE Ok let me summarize a bit, the 1500MPa is HPF part produce from HPF steel (initial around 600MPa with special coating) by using HPF method.comes in rolls and sheets also above 1000MPa (not even hot pressed yet) some steel suppliers data sheet below. pic added ![]() Correct, the one you listed is UTHSS, but it is impossible to stamp this cold rolled steel because the tensile strength is to much. It will create spring back effect to the part. That is why HPF method being use to counter this spring back issue. You need to understand the different between HPF steel and normal cold rolled steel. HPF steel have special coating to transform the steel from 600Mpa to 1500Mpa through HPF process. While UTHSS cold rolled produce through normal cold rolling process. another info for sharing. |
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QUOTE(axelrade @ Aug 24 2016, 01:03 AM) Ok let me summarize a bit, the 1500MPa is HPF part produce from HPF steel (initial around 600MPa with special coating) by using HPF method. you forgot, that spring back issue that u describe can be attributed due to low elongation is properties (see chart) generally for ultra high strength steels, this as u said affecting formability of the stamp parts.Correct, the one you listed is UTHSS, but it is impossible to stamp this cold rolled steel because the tensile strength is to much. It will create spring back effect to the part. That is why HPF method being use to counter this spring back issue. You need to understand the different between HPF steel and normal cold rolled steel. HPF steel have special coating to transform the steel from 600Mpa to 1500Mpa through HPF process. While UTHSS cold rolled produce through normal cold rolling process. another info for sharing. now got new products that can settle the elongation issue. advance steel products its now in 3rd generation and newer already. ![]() another point, is that the use of high strength steels is so that you use less steel in weight to maintain strength (while meeting highest crash test results) while reducing BIW (body in white) weight, thus improving fuel economy did proton ever promote that aspect of why top 10 manufacturers use UHSS to save weight thus improve fuel economy? maybe that is what they should be doing to highlight such benefits to lay people who dont know and dont care what HPF is. This post has been edited by ar188: Aug 24 2016, 01:39 AM |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 23 2016, 08:57 AM) Thanks as people pointed out, proton probably took a lot of lessons from Mitsubishi with their RISE chassis and that's what i've personally been exposed to/experienced - had the RISE chassis fail and crumpled on the a pillars, people would be attending my funeral instead of me walking away with a scratched left foot from the clutch pedal |
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QUOTE(wholaimi @ Aug 23 2016, 03:48 PM) FYI...for those who make fun of bomba dtg potong in the advert... oh wow this is certainly new to me actually Proton had to demonstrate to inform BOMBA & JPAM about cutting the body of the car especially with HPF/UHSS. Identify them which area to cut since front monoque body are made of HPF/UHSS. It was done during the introdcution of Preve to ensure bomba & jpam have the right equipment in case of an accident. |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 23 2016, 08:11 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Oh well....that's Poton marketing for you. If they had just simply threw out a 1.5GPa figure it would've been simpler and more impressive, instead of HPF HPF HPF. ok ma, at least they TRIED... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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QUOTE(nazrul90 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:31 PM) poor people only got crappy choices.and among the crappy choices, proton is the least of evil. regardless of whatever political reasons behind the brand and country it is associated with. i've been driving for a long time, and driven many cars, on or off track, spiritedly/very aggressively. anything that p2 offered/offers to me is... no. my *ONLY* exception was that funny 1998 used 660 manual kancil that i picked/bought and even handled all the ownership transfer/puspakom inspection for my sister. cornering with that little turd at 100-120kph having the feeling that the car may topple at any moment with the screeching tires somehow end up... I'm still alive. i'm not sure if these are contributing factors... having rear multilink?(uh, something not torsion beam basically lol) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daihatsu_Mira...ries_.281990.29 (which could be due to the daihatsu mira that the kancil based off, had a 4 wheel drive version) http://www.nolathane.com.au/do_segue.php?m...2F1990-4%2F1995 That, and the kancil was the reason i fell in love with manual cars |
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all this HPF vs Ultra steel comparison shit is pointless as long as they managed to get 5-star safety.
nvidia only need maxwell on 28nm to be equal to amd polaris on 14nm on enfficiency wise. so who win? |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 23 2016, 11:11 PM) Sure HPF is nice to have. But UHSS would be the more important point right? I mean the name UHSS directly refers to strong steel used in the car, while HPF refers to the process only. Because UHSS, they had those already since Exora. HPF is the process unique to them at this moment, thus it is the marketing advantage.You look at the Persona360 video, at the shot showing the factory floor, on of the Persona assembly line, replace those "HPF HPF HPF HPF" with "UHSS UHSS UHSS UHSS".....wouldn't that be more straight to the point? This post has been edited by ruffstuff: Aug 24 2016, 07:23 AM |
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Aug 23 2016, 11:21 PM) they have actually,during preve,suprima,iriz,but persona i think will come later when they called up the media for media drive in open road,rather than tracks. even during exora,they also explain it. The CEO was explaining about auto unlocks upon impact. Should elaborate more on this simple feature. Because lots of new cars in Malaysia no longer have autolock because they do no want to add the necessary sensors for this auto unlocks upon impact. This why gazetted regulation is important, and Proton actually complies with regulation.This is just my own opinion, for general public, we can say it strong,we can put figures 1500mpa n etc,but the question still remains,how strong it is? unless u r car enthusiast or have engineering background,then it shudnt be a problem. But for general public, they need to see something that easier to comprehend and you have only 2 minutes to explain in a short video. htss or uhtss always appear in any car launching in malaysia,but what make proton diff then? and it also to show the improvement proton has made from old model to the newer one. if talking about uhtss,what a fuss about that,gen 2 already use it eventhough minimum. That is what it means he evolution from old persona to new persona. i believe its clearly evidence in the video, from mild steel being process using hpf method create stronger material, it stated 5 times,but anyone can write that. like 5 star ncap,eventhough ita already stated 5 star ncap,general public will question,just 64kmh,48kmh,56kmh,35kmh,just hitting barrier,not hitting an actual car n bla bla bla,n it only be prove when actually accident happened,after then people will say,oic,thats why its 5 star,thats why its strong n etc. but make a teaser video showing real accident isnt really good for launching/traser of a new car(eventhough its being used prev,but not video,with consent of the owner). how many times u still hearing tin milo of proton cars,even its not tin milo to begin with. since gen2,proton has started use htss n slowly use uhtss(roll forming uhtss for side beam impact),n still u can hear it now even during persona launch. general public isnt like lowyat forum. safety never been 1st things in their mind,so,it is a part of safety education. if not,since gen 2 they already know and understand it. as i mentioned previously,i dont care about proton sales cuz im not selling proton cars or what ever cars. i just want them to improve,be better,and sometimes improvement need to be told,or people wont realise that. even being told, it is still unheard. same as bcm. so many technical things being highlighted during exora launch,but many dont realise it. thats why now they just simplify things,hopefully it reach the public in general. and for techie part,i think upcoming media drive will explain what matter most for those who do understand those techie part. i just pity those in rnd, they work their ass out despite a lot of limitations especially on budgets n man power. Those otai2 in rnd already flock to bigger companies. They need to be highlighted nd to be heard, its the 1st time if i can recall,their work behind the scene being put in video teasers. If not,just faz & fairuz,which you know it just an ads,like any others ads. im deeply sorry for long comment. |
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QUOTE(TAN WENG @ Aug 23 2016, 11:33 AM) sebab dulu kena tipu kao kao byk marah sampai tak ada confident . Kalau btl btl mau sales lebih banyak dari produa mereka harus letak harga kereta persona ni 44K full spec saga full spec 30k macam tu mesti akan jadi top sales Perodua bezza full spec how much?This post has been edited by maxpudding: Aug 24 2016, 09:23 AM |
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seriously? you promo by telling ppl they'll probably die coz bomba cant rescue in time since took tooooooo fucking long to cut open.
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myvi in the wrong lane? preve is PDRM car summore lel
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Pls just change the damn engine and gearbox
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why dont they just hardened the whole chasis like they hardened steel when making knife...
heat up the whole chasis then quench in oil... terus dapat hardened steel.. |
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QUOTE(akagidemon @ May 11 2017, 12:06 PM) why dont they just hardened the whole chasis like they hardened steel when making knife... It will make the chasis brittle bro..heat up the whole chasis then quench in oil... terus dapat hardened steel.. This post has been edited by ken_hidaibuki: May 11 2017, 12:15 PM |
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QUOTE(akagidemon @ May 11 2017, 12:06 PM) why dont they just hardened the whole chasis like they hardened steel when making knife... If car chasis are made like that, all of the occupants will had their head decapitated because of the impact.heat up the whole chasis then quench in oil... terus dapat hardened steel.. |
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Change it to aisin gearbox and jepunis engine, im sure it will come be the top selling car.
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