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post Aug 22 2016, 05:36 PM, updated 10y ago

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Ni semua sarahan protong menyusahkan abam bomba potong HPF steel mad.gif
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post Aug 22 2016, 05:40 PM

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post Aug 22 2016, 05:41 PM

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later accident cannot save people inside, coz bomba lmbt potong.. owaiiii
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post Aug 22 2016, 05:42 PM

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ni promo jual besi buruk ke?
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post Aug 22 2016, 05:42 PM

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then bmw also the same larr
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post Aug 22 2016, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(audi90 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:41 PM)
later accident cannot save people inside, coz bomba lmbt potong.. owaiiii
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post Aug 22 2016, 05:43 PM

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sebelum ni kan orang tuduh tin me-lo....

tin me-lo pakai HPF tak?

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post Aug 22 2016, 05:43 PM

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this is better marketing strategy than iriz
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post Aug 22 2016, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(cicak.fakir @ Aug 22 2016, 05:43 PM)
sebelum ni kan orang tuduh tin me-lo....

tin me-lo pakai HPF tak?
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Milo still got sell in tin?
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post Aug 22 2016, 05:46 PM

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post Aug 22 2016, 05:46 PM

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Are they so fucking shallow that they put a shawl on a crash test dummy?
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post Aug 22 2016, 05:47 PM

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post Aug 22 2016, 05:47 PM

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iriz also hpf. how come bezza score better in terms of frontal crash of course? bezza scored 15.38/16. iriz scored 14.07/16.
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post Aug 22 2016, 05:47 PM

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I mau armored version , amacm?
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post Aug 22 2016, 05:47 PM

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post Aug 22 2016, 05:48 PM

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smua tak kena... potong pakai tin milo kene marah, potong pakai besi kuat pun kene marah.


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post Aug 22 2016, 05:48 PM

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post Aug 22 2016, 05:49 PM

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manufacturers around the world promote Ultra high tensile steel
this one promote HPF pulak.. lol means to say they not using Ultra high tensile steel to begin with!


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post Aug 22 2016, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Aug 22 2016, 05:47 PM)
iriz also hpf. how come bezza score better in terms of frontal crash of course? bezza scored 15.38/16. iriz scored 14.07/16.
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Obviously Bezza is tougher.

2,000MPa UHTS steel kot
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post Aug 22 2016, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:49 PM)
manufacturers around the world promote Ultra high tensile steel
this one promote HPF pulak.. lol means to say they not using Ultra high tensile steel to begin with!
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1,500 MPa is categorized as HTSS or UHTSS?
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:36 PM)


Ni semua sarahan protong menyusahkan abam bomba potong HPF steel mad.gif
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to people who buy crappy perodua, save fuel or save life.
ur choice.
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post Aug 22 2016, 05:50 PM

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all the while i say perodua has soft body and dont lovee their life , kasi what high class electrionics and airbags also cant sae their life ,
see that hammer sudah bengkok

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post Aug 22 2016, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Aug 22 2016, 05:39 PM)
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post Aug 22 2016, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 22 2016, 05:50 PM)
1,500 MPa is categorized as HTSS or UHTSS?
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who is using 1500 MPa steel? use 1500Mpa and HPF process ah?

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QUOTE(Boom Mortar @ Aug 22 2016, 05:42 PM)
ni promo jual besi buruk ke?
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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:50 PM)
to people who buy crappy perodua, save fuel or save life.
ur choice.
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Scare tactic not working bro
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post Aug 22 2016, 05:55 PM

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even though my savvy is old and people all tell me why buy the ugly car and why buy proton savvy..................

and the bad amt renault reputation

i still proud of my proton savvy manual .................................................................

year 2006 that time i buy and 40k savvy manual (1.2litre 4 cylinder engine) and rm45k for 1.0 3 cylinder myvi manual

it is 97000km mileage only after 10 and 1/2 years

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post Aug 22 2016, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:52 PM)
who is using 1500 MPa steel? use 1500Mpa and HPF process ah?
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Watch the video.....around 45sec
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post Aug 22 2016, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(Vape On @ Aug 22 2016, 05:53 PM)
Scare tactic not working bro
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it's not just the safety features & safety rating.
there is a reason y u see most of the car involve in accidents are perodua, especially myvi.
bcoz the car is so crappy in terms on control, making it much more prone to accident.
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Aug 22 2016, 05:40 PM)
Bezza buyers regret
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to be honest, i think u r right.. maybe not so many, but some buyers might regret..

however, depends on user.

safety VS FC/reliability
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post Aug 22 2016, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 22 2016, 05:49 PM)
Obviously Bezza is tougher.

2,000MPa UHTS steel kot
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though bezza steel is like hilux only 1/3 keras of P1 ?
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post Aug 22 2016, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(and85rew @ Aug 22 2016, 05:40 PM)
Bezza buyers regret
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why would we regret? lol


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post Aug 22 2016, 06:06 PM

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making it tougher will make saving life harder for Bomba, need different tool
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post Aug 22 2016, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 22 2016, 05:55 PM)
Watch the video.....around 45sec
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lepas tempa is 1500Mpa
means started with much lower strength steel

meanwhile others also got using 1800Mpa steel stock.


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post Aug 22 2016, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 22 2016, 06:03 PM)
though bezza steel is like hilux only 1/3 keras of P1 ?
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funny u should mention "1/3"

can you read chinese?

http://coco01.net/post/118517

read the MPa figure they are boasting about.
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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:58 PM)
it's not just the safety features & safety rating.
there is a reason y u see most of the car involve in accidents are perodua, especially myvi.
bcoz the car is so crappy in terms on control, making it much more prone to accident.
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post Aug 22 2016, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:07 PM)
lepas tempa is 1500Mpa
means started with much lower strength steel

meanwhile others also got using 1800Mpa steel stock.
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as far as I know only Mazda using 1.8GPa steel on their CX5. and only on the front reinforcement beam.

http://www.adandp.media/articles/mazda-use...g-steel-in-cx-5

isnt the final figure the most important? regardless of the strength before treatment? hmm.gif

EDIT: link added. my bad its front and rear bumper reinforcement on the cx5

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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 22 2016, 06:07 PM)
funny u should mention "1/3"

can you read chinese?

http://coco01.net/post/118517

read the MPa figure they are boasting about.
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So, it is more like 590 mpa for Bezza.

So much for 'UHTS' claim.
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QUOTE(loserking206 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:48 PM)
smua tak kena... potong pakai tin milo kene marah, potong pakai besi kuat pun kene marah.
ggwp potong
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coz not god car, if god car, use plastic oso win
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Sebab tu dia berat. Pakai besi tebal. Tu yg telan minyak tu huhuhu

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QUOTE(v1n0d @ Aug 22 2016, 05:46 PM)
Are they so fucking shallow that they put a shawl on a crash test dummy?
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omg it's the proton guys and their life sized sex doll fetish again

siap ada tudung lagi minah crash test dummy to. mesti nama pun dah taruk Amira 1, Amira 2, Afiqah 1, 2 , Nurul etc

dude you should watch their other vid about crash test dummies. the nigga deadass in love with the crash test bitch. they laughin and having conversations and shit wtffff?

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well.. if i was in a car crash, I would prefer if Bomba could cut the car open ASAP...
and my car to suffer minimum damage during the crash impact...
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QUOTE(frossonice @ Aug 22 2016, 06:12 PM)
So, it is more like 590 mpa for Bezza.

So much for 'UHTS' claim.
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Although important, steel strength is not the be-all-end-all factor in cabin stiffness, there is also the design and weld points.

If Bezza can score full stars in NCAP, maybe there is some clever design going on.
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Kereta potong susah nak potong.

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post Aug 22 2016, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 22 2016, 06:10 PM)
as far as I know only Mazda using 1.8GPa steel on their CX5. and only on the front reinforcement beam.

isnt the final figure the most important? regardless of the strength before treatment? hmm.gif
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and u saying whole car chassis was formed with HPF meh? am sure is only few critical components only la.

i think if start from high figure steel stocks is better and consistent overall strength for the part.


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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:58 PM)
it's not just the safety features & safety rating.
there is a reason y u see most of the car involve in accidents are perodua, especially myvi.
bcoz the car is so crappy in terms on control, making it much more prone to accident.
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not because they are best selling car model?

can you count?

proton wira need 16 years, myvi like 10

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:18 PM)
and u saying whole car chassis was formed with HPF meh? am sure is only few critical components only la.

i think if start from high figure steel stocks is better and consistent overall strength for the part.
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of coz not la, just the critical parts.

if stock steel figure higher of course is better. But I think 1500MPa on a popularly precieved Milo tin car is worth mentioning. I mean, credit where credit is due.
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QUOTE(s@ni @ Aug 22 2016, 06:02 PM)
to be honest, i think u r right.. maybe not so many, but some buyers might regret..

however, depends on user.

safety VS FC/reliability
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Malaysians buy according to brand/price..safety last icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(fuadfadz @ Aug 22 2016, 06:03 PM)
why would we regret? lol
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Bezza ugly & plastic
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Aug 22 2016, 06:23 PM)
Malaysians buy according to brand/price..safety last icon_idea.gif
Bezza ugly & plastic
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are you implying myvi is not safe?
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Aug 22 2016, 06:23 PM)
Malaysians buy according to brand/price..safety last icon_idea.gif
Bezza ugly & plastic
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Nop, malaysian buy according to top speed, handling, tak bawak macam sampan, then baru safety
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post Aug 22 2016, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(big1 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:25 PM)
are you implying myvi is not safe?
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Byk fb commentors in myvi group say death is god's decision so buy any car also if time to die then die lah
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QUOTE(perrrhhh @ Aug 22 2016, 06:26 PM)
top speed,  handling, tak bawak macam sampan
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If that's their criteria then berodua cars wont even be in their choice of cars to buy
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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:50 PM)
to people who buy crappy perodua, save fuel or save life.
ur choice.
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>implying Proton is not crappy.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:27 PM)
Byk fb commentors in myvi group say death is god's decision so buy any car also if time to die then die lah
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in term of driving a car, any car also, if drive like cb sure will lost life.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:27 PM)
Byk fb commentors in myvi group say death is god's decision so buy any car also if time to die then die lah
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so how many died ? they have sold like 900k cars.


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QUOTE(big1 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:25 PM)
are you implying myvi is not safe?
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Myvi
Safety
Omg...
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:49 PM)
manufacturers around the world promote Ultra high tensile steel
this one promote HPF pulak.. lol means to say they not using Ultra high tensile steel to begin with!
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vios how many percent used Ultra high tensile steel?
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:46 PM)
vios how many percent used Ultra high tensile steel?
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dont know i dont drive bios. biggrin.gif at the end if can reach 5star safety means job done. rest of the optimization is about making it light weight and safe fuel.
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QUOTE(big1 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:25 PM)
are you implying myvi is not safe?
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Myvi not safe. 2009 model ezi auto
Something went wrong in the controller. Press oil pedal become brake, press brake become oil. Crazy.. Lucky 500m infront of cheras svc center. Show mech they tested quietly took my car for 1 week say replace ecu.

Sometime when drive along federal bangsar to klang can spot myvi terbakar. I suspect its some frontal impact can cause car to ignite... This 3-4 case myvi is same.

Sold d car.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:48 PM)
dont know i dont drive bios. biggrin.gif at the end if can reach 5star safety means job done. rest of the optimization is about making it light weight and safe fuel.
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tapi x dapat 5 bintang =(
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:56 PM)
tapi x dapat 5 bintang =(
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how about P2 cars? full spec model no 5star ka?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:57 PM)
how about P2 cars? full spec model no 5star ka?
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the only 1? which 110km/j @4000rpm?

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QUOTE(chanti-sama @ Aug 22 2016, 06:49 PM)
Myvi not safe. 2009 model ezi auto
Something went wrong in the controller. Press oil pedal become brake, press brake become oil. Crazy.. Lucky 500m infront of cheras svc center. Show mech they tested quietly took my car for 1 week say replace ecu.

Sometime when drive along federal bangsar to klang can spot myvi terbakar. I suspect its some frontal impact can cause car to ignite... This 3-4 case myvi is same.

Sold d car.
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Bullsh1t to the highest level
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:58 PM)
the only 1?
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means they know what the market wants. reliability and lower ownership costs.
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Malaysian people who opt to buy myvi is more like

DUDE. MY MYVI IS DAIHATSU OR TOYOTA YOU KNOW. JAPANNMNNNNNNNN YOU KNOW.

WHAT SAFETY SAFETY. SEE MY CAR ALSO GOT AIR BAG. SAFETY GOT LA.

Then I speechless Liao.

I almost wanted to slap them. Dude. No money buy foreign car then say la.... Why talk like that...
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Aug 22 2016, 06:46 PM)
vios how many percent used Ultra high tensile steel?
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How about persona 508 slyphy?
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 22 2016, 07:00 PM)
Malaysian people who opt to buy myvi is more like

DUDE. MY MYVI IS DAIHATSU OR TOYOTA YOU KNOW. JAPANNMNNNNNNNN YOU KNOW.

WHAT SAFETY SAFETY. SEE MY CAR ALSO GOT AIR BAG. SAFETY GOT LA.

Then I speechless Liao.

I almost wanted to slap them. Dude. No money buy foreign car then say la.... Why talk like that...
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So how is your proton?
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QUOTE(Vape On @ Aug 22 2016, 07:00 PM)
Bullsh1t to the highest level
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Its true.
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if we go by all the specs released by proton so far, it seems that proton cars are way better than any other cars within the same price bracket.... too bad the sales performance didnt reflect that quality.
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QUOTE(Crovoseas @ Aug 22 2016, 07:01 PM)
sape berani cakap potong ialah tin milo lagi
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the only 1? which 110km/j @4000rpm?
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wow your muvi brake and accelerator use electronic drive-by-wire izzit..so advance one  tongue.gif
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even though my savvy is old and people all tell me why buy the ugly car and why buy proton savvy..................

and the bad amt renault reputation

i still proud of my proton savvy manual .................................................................

year 2006 that time i buy and 40k savvy manual (1.2litre 4 cylinder engine) and rm45k for 1.0 3 cylinder myvi manual

it is 97000km mileage only after 10 and 1/2 years
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So how is your proton?
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if we go by all the specs released by proton so far, it seems that proton cars are way better than any other cars within the same price bracket.... too bad the sales performance didnt reflect that quality.
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Pity argue too much, better stick with v50, hahahah
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so now proton steel high keras? so?

Safety =/= keras


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QUOTE(loserking206 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:48 PM)
smua tak kena... potong pakai tin milo kene marah, potong pakai besi kuat pun kene marah.
ggwp potong
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stupid, how can u compare like that, thats why if you value your life, dont drive proton, they were designed by partial idiot. why partial, cause they dont use proton themselves, so they are not complete idiot.
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Are they so fucking shallow that they put a shawl on a crash test dummy?
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Later they will say, ohhh... Kite makan minyak sb safety la bro...

Ingatlah safety, minyak biar je...


Kan kan kan?

If ask more then they will "admit" Campro is heavy and young engine... Jadi heavy skit.. slow skit... But bagi chance etc etc
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iriz also hpf. how come bezza score better in terms of frontal crash of course? bezza scored 15.38/16. iriz scored 14.07/16.
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That is because Proton only test the lowest spec Iriz, meanwhile Perodua test the highest spec Bezza.
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That is because Proton only test the lowest spec Iriz, meanwhile Perodua test the highest spec Bezza.
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nice
at least i know what is hpf
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keras macem btg sy?
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QUOTE(perrrhhh @ Aug 22 2016, 08:16 PM)
I believe this is not the lowest spec
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Highest spec Iriz have 6 airbags, Standard spec like the picture you post only have 2 airbags, the safety equipment are the same with lowest spec Iriz.
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keras macem btg sy?
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why so much fuss? i thought HPF have been part of proton circa preve.
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who is using 1500 MPa steel? use 1500Mpa and HPF process ah?
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The bum side view is quite nice
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Milo still got sell in tin?
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serba salah sebab proton dah upgrade ke HPF.

me-lo masih ingat bila dapat pengiktirafan dan pengiklanan percuma bersama setiap unit proton...

... tetapi ...

... walaupun hati masih nak menumpang glemer advertising "proton == me-lo", walaupun HPF dan lebih environmental-friendly sebab boleh guna berkali-kali antara refill tanpa risau berkarat dan kemik, me-lo khuatir tak terjual bila include harga naik melampau nanti.
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Famous because saga wira era they are worse than milo tin
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now me-lo have to up their game...
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QUOTE(cicak.fakir @ Aug 22 2016, 09:07 PM)
serba salah sebab proton dah upgrade ke HPF.

me-lo masih ingat bila dapat pengiktirafan dan pengiklanan percuma bersama setiap unit proton...

... tetapi ...

... walaupun hati masih nak menumpang glemer advertising "proton == me-lo", walaupun HPF dan lebih environmental-friendly sebab boleh guna berkali-kali antara refill tanpa risau berkarat dan kemik, me-lo khuatir tak terjual bila include harga naik melampau nanti.
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QUOTE(ayygringo95 @ Aug 22 2016, 08:25 PM)
Highest spec Iriz have 6 airbags, Standard spec like the picture you post only have 2 airbags,  the safety equipment are the same with lowest spec Iriz.
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Doesn't matter, the AOP score is the same across all Iriz range, be it 2 airbags or 6 airbags. Fact of the matter is, Iriz barely made it 5 stars in frontal collision test (minimum is 14.00 in AOP).

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Too bad the score does not include side impact tests, something which the curtain airbags would make a huge difference.

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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Aug 22 2016, 05:47 PM)
iriz also hpf. how come bezza score better in terms of frontal crash of course? bezza scored 15.38/16. iriz scored 14.07/16.
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bcoz it's plotong...
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keras macem btg sy?
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you punya, batang pisang aje.
ranap dalam 0.00001s bila compare sama itu hammer, power saw, power ..., power ...., power ....,
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if proton still use back cam x pro engine and stupid sohai punch CVT,

can tell them go fly kite ad...


noisy engine, high Fuel consumption...
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on a serious note, have always wondered, back in the old days, ...
siapa yang mulakan fitnah "proton == tin milo"?
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if proton still use back cam x pro engine and stupid sohai punch CVT,

can tell them go fly kite ad...
noisy engine, high Fuel consumption...
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Asalkan handling like lotos and can overtake superbike. Its okay maaa
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if proton still use back cam x pro engine and stupid sohai punch CVT,

can tell them go fly kite ad...
noisy engine, high Fuel consumption...
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Wooohoooo
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Asalkan handling like lotos and can overtake superbike. Its okay maaa
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mcm preve,,, syok pick up.. nanti turbo hose break

nanti gearbox haywire..

and etc etc...


u nak ke?
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Dat fucking wheel arch. Seriously proton? Wtf are they thinking? Small wheel is fine, can upgrade. But fucking wrong wheel arch? There's no correcting that. What an ugly proportion. Just thinking about buying proton. But no thanks.
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terbaik proton
keep improving no matter what people say
success will follow
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:49 PM)
manufacturers around the world promote Ultra high tensile steel
this one promote HPF pulak.. lol means to say they not using Ultra high tensile steel to begin with!
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They are using UHSS on exora before Preve. A mixed of UHSS+HSS.
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QUOTE(perrrhhh @ Aug 22 2016, 06:13 PM)
Sebab tu dia berat. Pakai besi tebal. Tu yg telan minyak tu huhuhu
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The point of HPF process, is to achieve similar level of strength like UHSS, without adding more metal.
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To add, the Persona 2016 have 8 HPF parts.
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QUOTE(fuadfadz @ Aug 22 2016, 07:10 PM)
lololololololololo u just got trolled by potong fag. mine 2800rpm 110km/h. even my parent saga 3krpm at 100km/h.
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dia cakap 1 ...maybe uphill? lolx 1:50

see your mata tajam or not brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

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QUOTE(Vape On @ Aug 22 2016, 07:01 PM)
How about persona 508 slyphy?
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Theirs is HPF. means all the japanese cars are inferior to proton is it. Like vios corolla and camry are more inferior compared to protons. Serious questions. Or its just that japanese are not advertising their processing
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Aug 22 2016, 11:11 PM)


dia cakap 1 ...maybe uphill? lolx 1:50

see your mata tajam or not  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
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u stupiak dengar aja orang cakap. bodo piang.
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QUOTE(fuadfadz @ Aug 22 2016, 11:21 PM)
u stupiak dengar aja orang cakap. bodo piang.
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he claim he is sifu + from the star ma biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

as i said to earlier reply ..look carefully on his video

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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Aug 22 2016, 05:47 PM)
iriz also hpf. how come bezza score better in terms of frontal crash of course? bezza scored 15.38/16. iriz scored 14.07/16.
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HPF just to avoid driver/passenger cockpit from deformed. NCAP test based on sensor from dummy inside the car. Iriz score low not because of HPF but sensor detect leg area of dummy get damage signal by those part from engine bay/dashboard. Remember bout Aussie Accord got 4 star ANCAP later Honda make adjustment to get 5 star.
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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Aug 22 2016, 08:37 PM)
if proton could gain 5 stars with 'only' HPF, why need for more supposedly expensive steel? looks like proton engineers are so pro they managed to cut cost with l337 technique.
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since when did they manage to cut cost with each car they build? if they did . they wont lose 1.6bil building 100k cars right? i.e. 16k per car in losses.
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 22 2016, 05:50 PM)
1,500 MPa is categorized as HTSS or UHTSS?
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uhtss can be from 550mpa above. depend on method and type of steels used. hpf is a method use to form uhtss.

for proton,hpf method around 1500mpa, roll forming method around 900 to 1200mpa. thats what ive been informed. it has been used since preve onwards.
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better than jazz tongue.gif
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Hahahaha whats with you and your anti with jazz since the thread bezza vs jazz in which you argued with a fellow /k doh.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 22 2016, 09:13 PM)
Doesn't matter, the AOP score is the same across all Iriz range, be it 2 airbags or 6 airbags. Fact of the matter is, Iriz barely made it 5 stars in frontal collision test (minimum is 14.00 in AOP).

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Too bad the score does not include side impact tests, something which the curtain airbags would make a huge difference.
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yup,its true,bezza scored excellently in it. for iriz, it is due to mark being deduct from modifier. Im hoping they managed to rectify it in persona n iriz(facelift).

The importance of hard shell/cage,when it is tested in frontal under-ride, front pole,30 degree oblique,side pole and dynamic roll over,dynamic rear impact and full frontal fix barrier like adr 69/00.

thats why the video 360 showing front underride crash,rather than 40% odb frontal crash test.

that is the info i got.
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QUOTE(zaman_chem @ Aug 22 2016, 11:42 PM)
HPF just to avoid driver/passenger cockpit from deformed. NCAP test based on sensor from dummy inside the car. Iriz score low not because of HPF but sensor detect leg area of dummy get damage signal by those part from engine bay/dashboard. Remember bout Aussie Accord got 4 star ANCAP later Honda make adjustment to get 5 star.
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Is this why bezza has excessively long foot well?

I think it's the dashboard though, the iriz has a very hard plastic underneath the steering that limit the space for look perhaps? That annoyed the hell out of me.
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Are they so fucking shallow that they put a shawl on a crash test dummy?
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ur life must be very boring. they are just joking around with the mannequin. it is not even a true crash test dummy. who drives a mannequin around a chassis assembly plant on a golf cart.
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it's good to see proton is getting serious on safety.
heck they can even become somesort like a volvo of asia if they want.
become obsessed with safety like volvo until make cars with super hard body shell using boron steel.



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1. One of the main contributor for good crash result is the weight. Bezza is 930kg max while iriz 1180kg max. In frontal odb test, the kinetic energy come from the car itself. Crash engineer rule of thumb, 100kg reduction leads to 10% less intrusion @ firewall. Easier to get good result.
2. Engine package. The smaller the size (not cc), the better the crash result. Bezza has good engine package.
3. Crash is stochastic event, very difficult to get consistent result especially @ lower leg area. Let say you can get max 16 points in one test, you can get as low as 15.4 points in another test. So if iriz 14.07, most probably due to it is at the lowest limit (engineer task is to ensure that in the worst variation, it can still achieve the target)
4. Crash result depends on dummy calibration. For each area, head, neck, chest, femur, tibia etc there's a corridor that the dummy need to comply. let say chest deflection, you can have variations up to 6mm between dummy to another dummy. If in the test, you get dummy calibrated at the lower corridor, then you're lucky.

How do I know this? I used to worked as crash simulation engineer for audi.

For you to compare iriz and bezza result is unfair due to huge weight difference, this has been explained in NCAP FAQ. In high speed collision between both car, bezza has less chance to survive. Bezza has max 590MPa steel, iriz has countless 590MPa, a few 780,980,1180MPa parts with a couple of 1470MPa grade of hot formed steel
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Aug 22 2016, 11:21 PM)
Theirs is HPF. means all the japanese cars are inferior to proton is it. Like vios corolla and camry are more inferior compared to protons. Serious questions. Or its just that japanese are not advertising their processing
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The japanese may use UHSS up to 1000-1300mpa. It can achieve similar strength level like HPF steel, but at the expense of weight.
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HPF is ULTRA HIGH STRENGTH STELL (UHSS). When people talk about numbers like 590, 780, 1000, 1200.....that is tensile strength, not their hardness (Hv). HPF can be fabricate with 900 tensile strength and have >500Hv level. That is some tough stuff.

Bezza max tensile is 590. They scored high ASEAN NCAP because of their small engine, which create more space in the engine room, thus during frontal impact, their small engine have less intrusion into cabin + Active Safety features (which if we remove from the package on the lower line, you basically exposed to serious injury)
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Aug 23 2016, 01:20 AM)
yup,its true,bezza scored excellently in it. for iriz, it is due to mark being deduct from modifier. Im hoping they managed to rectify it in persona n iriz(facelift).

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Yea I read modifier "footwell rupture". Is it identified as an design issue or an isolated event in the crash test? if design issue, there are no plans to address it in the Iriz's current iteration?

QUOTE(tidus2k @ Aug 23 2016, 07:52 AM)
1. One of the main contributor for good crash result is the weight. Bezza is 930kg max while iriz 1180kg max. In frontal odb test, the kinetic energy come from the car itself. Crash engineer rule of thumb, 100kg reduction leads to 10% less intrusion @ firewall. Easier to get good result.
2. Engine package. The smaller the size (not cc), the better the crash result. Bezza has good engine package.
3. Crash is stochastic event, very difficult to get consistent result especially @ lower leg area. Let say you can get max 16 points in one test, you can get as low as 15.4 points in another test. So if iriz 14.07, most probably due to it is at the lowest limit (engineer task is to ensure that in the worst variation, it can still achieve the target)
4. Crash result depends on dummy calibration. For each area, head, neck, chest, femur, tibia etc there's a corridor that the dummy need to comply. let say chest deflection, you can have variations up to 6mm between dummy to another dummy. If in the test, you get dummy calibrated at the lower corridor, then you're lucky.

How do I know this? I used to worked as crash simulation engineer for audi.

For you to compare iriz and bezza result is unfair due to huge weight difference, this has been explained in NCAP FAQ. In high speed collision between both car, bezza has less chance to survive. Bezza has max 590MPa steel, iriz has countless 590MPa, a few 780,980,1180MPa parts with a couple of 1470MPa grade of hot formed steel
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later accident cannot save people inside, coz bomba lmbt potong.. owaiiii
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QUOTE(wholaimi @ Aug 23 2016, 08:14 AM)
HPF is ULTRA HIGH STRENGTH STELL (UHSS). When people talk about numbers like 590, 780, 1000, 1200.....that is tensile strength, not their hardness (Hv). HPF can be fabricate with 900 tensile strength and have >500Hv level. That is some tough stuff.

Bezza max tensile is 590. They scored high ASEAN NCAP because of their small engine, which create more space in the engine room, thus during frontal impact, their small engine have less intrusion into cabin + Active Safety features (which if we remove from the package on the lower line, you basically exposed to serious injury)
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If say between a 2-airbag Iriz and 2-airbag Bezza, which do you think would fare better in a side impact? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(akagidemon @ Aug 23 2016, 03:55 AM)
it's good to see proton is getting serious on safety.
heck they can even become somesort like a volvo of asia if they want.
become obsessed with safety like volvo until make cars with super hard body shell using boron steel.
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If say between a 2-airbag Iriz and 2-airbag Bezza, which do you think would fare better in a side impact? hmm.gif
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1. Have you seen the 360 videos right? There is CAE analysis video of side impact. The intrusion were targeted at b pillar lower area. This means less intrusion at the chest and pelvic area. That should indicate a very good side impact result even without side and curtain airbag. Mind you that iriz use HPF grade for side impact.

2. Bezza has the advantage also, being lightweight, the inertia of the whole vehicle is less than iriz. But Bezza only use max 590MPa (advance high strength steel), the rest 270MPa (mild steel), 340MPa and 440MPa (high strength steel)
I manage to find a picture of bezza body in white. From the picture it is hard to imagine what type of material that they use. The color code is probably not indicate material, but crash load path (front, side etc)
http://www.automachi.com/2016/07/why_perod...an_ncap_5_star/
So who knows, unless they test the car and publish the result


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If say between a 2-airbag Iriz and 2-airbag Bezza, which do you think would fare better in a side impact? hmm.gif
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In term of frontal crash, it would be equal bcoz bezza small engine+large engine clearance & iriz UHSS.
but if we measure on crash worthiness, iriz & new persona win because their UHSS are well-positioned in all critical area of the body (Front Pillars, Side Members, Center Pillars). I believe new Persona also have HPF on B-Pillar (Center Pillar) for side impact like Iriz
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Aug 23 2016, 08:33 AM)
Maybe Volvo of Malaysia, if want to say Asia is too wide.. Subaru already been knew as Japanese Volvo at oversea.. Still Proton still a long way to go.. 6 Air-bags and VSC is a normal in the past.. Now people are gunning Emergency Automated Brake system, lane departure system  or Automated Driving System.. Previously if not mistaken Proton got work with LG (google: Proton Iriz prototype fitted with LG ADAS camera).. But where is the result...  confused.gif
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ADAS, AEB is for Proton on wards and they already prepared for it whenever our local JPJ gazeted it or ASEAN NCAP demand for it. If put it now, it just create unnecessary cost. They already trying hard to push the important of ESC last time, but at the end our local market are just not very sensitive in terms of this active safety system. Probably the new Exora will have this feature hopefully.
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The japanese may use UHSS up to 1000-1300mpa. It can achieve similar strength level like HPF steel, but at the expense of weight.
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Lets say a vios head on collision with an iriz. Who suffers more
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Lets say a vios head on collision with an iriz. Who suffers more
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QUOTE(tidus2k @ Aug 23 2016, 08:40 AM)
1. Have you seen the 360 videos right? There is CAE analysis video of side impact. The intrusion were targeted at b pillar lower area. This means less intrusion at the chest and pelvic area. That should indicate a very good side impact result even without side and curtain airbag. Mind you that iriz use HPF grade for side impact.

2. Bezza has the advantage also, being lightweight, the inertia of the whole vehicle is less than iriz. But Bezza only use max 590MPa (advance high strength steel), the rest 270MPa (mild steel), 340MPa and 440MPa (high strength steel)
I manage to find a picture of bezza body in white. From the picture it is hard to imagine what type of material that they use. The color code is probably not indicate material, but crash load path (front, side etc)
http://www.automachi.com/2016/07/why_perod...an_ncap_5_star/
So who knows, unless they test the car and publish the result
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QUOTE(wholaimi @ Aug 23 2016, 08:41 AM)
In term of frontal crash, it would be equal bcoz bezza small engine+large engine clearance & iriz UHSS.
but if we measure on crash worthiness, iriz & new persona win because their UHSS are well-positioned in all critical area of the body (Front Pillars, Side Members, Center Pillars). I believe new Persona also have HPF on B-Pillar (Center Pillar) for side impact like Iriz
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Lets say a vios head on collision with an iriz. Who suffers more
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If both hurling at each other with both vehicle speed 64kph 40% offset , vios will surely die. There is a finite element model of Toyota yaris sedan 2010 US version which is equivalent to Toyota vios dugong in Malaysia readily available to download at national crash analysis center, George Washington university. Oem use this as benchmark. I have seen it. The structure is weak.

Based on yaris model, only one part has tensile strength >1000Mpa, the rest max 590MPa

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Maybe Volvo of Malaysia, if want to say Asia is too wide.. Subaru already been knew as Japanese Volvo at oversea.. Still Proton still a long way to go.. 6 Air-bags and VSC is a normal in the past.. Now people are gunning Emergency Automated Brake system, lane departure system  or Automated Driving System.. Previously if not mistaken Proton got work with LG (google: Proton Iriz prototype fitted with LG ADAS camera).. But where is the result...  confused.gif
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anything with potong sure discussion up to engineer level
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lel...
anything with potong sure discussion up to engineer level
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no fuk safety is given. sales like pisang goreng fireworks. haha
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QUOTE(MjMax15 @ Aug 23 2016, 09:27 AM)
lel...
anything with potong sure discussion up to engineer level
meanwhile.other model
no fuk safety is given. sales like pisang goreng fireworks. haha
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see claimed fc 20km/l straight buy
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Lets say a vios head on collision with an iriz. Who suffers more
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Although is not iriz Vs vios... but this case was suprima s vs altis. Head to head crash in Genting
Both 5 star. The report says passenger in altis were serious injured compare to suprima driver

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ok kejap2 with the bash..

memang in market to buy new car.
family car and not so import la coz pocket not deep

which one to wait for or buy now?

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ok kejap2 with the bash..

memang in market to buy new car.
family car and not so import la coz pocket not deep

which one to wait for or buy now?
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go test drive new persona and bezza
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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Aug 23 2016, 09:51 AM)
ok kejap2 with the bash..

memang in market to buy new car.
family car and not so import la coz pocket not deep

which one to wait for or buy now?
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Aiming for sedan ke?
Either test drive persona and bezza now, or wait saga release next month and test drive altogether then you decide tongue.gif
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Aiming for sedan ke?
Either test drive persona and bezza now, or wait saga release next month and test drive altogether then you decide tongue.gif
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QUOTE(loserking206 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:48 PM)
smua tak kena... potong pakai tin milo kene marah, potong pakai besi kuat pun kene marah.
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QUOTE(tidus2k @ Aug 23 2016, 07:52 AM)
1. One of the main contributor for good crash result is the weight. Bezza is 930kg max while iriz 1180kg max. In frontal odb test, the kinetic energy come from the car itself. Crash engineer rule of thumb, 100kg reduction leads to 10% less intrusion @ firewall. Easier to get good result.
2. Engine package. The smaller the size (not cc), the better the crash result. Bezza has good engine package.
3. Crash is stochastic event, very difficult to get consistent result especially @ lower leg area. Let say you can get max 16 points in one test, you can get as low as 15.4 points in another test. So if iriz 14.07, most probably due to it is at the lowest limit (engineer task is to ensure that in the worst variation, it can still achieve the target)
4. Crash result depends on dummy calibration. For each area, head, neck, chest, femur, tibia etc there's a corridor that the dummy need to comply. let say chest deflection, you can have variations up to 6mm between dummy to another dummy. If in the test, you get dummy calibrated at the lower corridor, then you're lucky.

How do I know this? I used to worked as crash simulation engineer for audi.

For you to compare iriz and bezza result is unfair due to huge weight difference, this has been explained in NCAP FAQ. In high speed collision between both car, bezza has less chance to survive. Bezza has max 590MPa steel, iriz has countless 590MPa, a few 780,980,1180MPa parts with a couple of 1470MPa grade of hot formed steel
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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Aug 22 2016, 05:47 PM)
iriz also hpf. how come bezza score better in terms of frontal crash of course? bezza scored 15.38/16. iriz scored 14.07/16.
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QUOTE(audi90 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:41 PM)
later accident cannot save people inside, coz bomba lmbt potong.. owaiiii
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Are they so fucking shallow that they put a shawl on a crash test dummy?
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Poton made sure to insert this shot "Not Takata OK!"  laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Miracles @ Aug 23 2016, 11:48 AM)
Byk butthurt ppl. Nanti ckp haram. Tak tutup aurat.
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Looking at some of the responses I received for posting that, many already are.
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seen one in the flesh just now
ok lah not as akward as the pictures
all variet wear the same bodykit though
so no real inclination to buy premium
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 23 2016, 09:47 AM)
Although is not iriz Vs vios... but this case was suprima s vs altis. Head to head crash in Genting
Both 5 star. The report says passenger in altis were serious injured compare to suprima driver

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So suprima > toyota world number 1?


Try so hard!!
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Aug 23 2016, 08:41 AM)
the moment Cai2 saw Bezza can score better Ancap 5star, that's where their HPF selling point slowly diminished

luckily they got Bomba crap to ease their gelabah plotek feeling

lol need to drag Bomba as selling point...

ever saw Volvo did that in Sweden? topkek
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Launch liao.. co grats proton, waiting for lab rat to test first. Next year i buy
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QUOTE(theaxia @ Aug 23 2016, 01:06 PM)
Launch liao.. co grats proton, waiting for lab rat to test first. Next year i buy
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Aug 23 2016, 12:52 PM)
bomba sweden ada mai ?
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So suprima > toyota world number 1?
Try so hard!!
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Lol buthurt so much?70k car more safety than 130k car?
Inb4 xde quality
Inb4 toyota sales
Inb4 resale value

U trying so hard to bash proton?
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FYI...for those who make fun of bomba dtg potong in the advert...

actually Proton had to demonstrate to inform BOMBA & JPAM about cutting the body of the car especially with HPF/UHSS. Identify them which area to cut since front monoque body are made of HPF/UHSS. It was done during the introdcution of Preve to ensure bomba & jpam have the right equipment in case of an accident.
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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Aug 23 2016, 01:11 PM)
Trust me this car are 101% better than axia and bezza 😆😆
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not with proton quality.

My experience with proton, once it starts making noise, it will not stop no matter how much money poured in the repair costs. Door rattles, drum brakes, alarm. Never again.

Even if proton makes RM50K hover car with time travel, P2 better choice.
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Aug 23 2016, 12:45 PM)
Volvo invite media to witness their crash test, have their engineers to explain the results of test, and why it makes their car World's Safest Car.


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They did the same when they sell their company to china?
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QUOTE(crash123 @ Aug 23 2016, 01:27 PM)
Lol buthurt so much?70k car more safety than 130k car?
Inb4 xde quality
Inb4 toyota sales
Inb4 resale value

U trying so hard to bash proton?
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Talk kok la boy.

Toyota altis selling in literally EVERY country on earth.

Your jaguh kampung cannot sell at all.

Have to be so pitiful come to /k go to f&f post these kind of accident photo to push for sales.

Maybe proton have a good product this time.

But i am truly sorry and feel very kesian for you all need to resort to advertise here with accident photo.

Its like this. You fark the user kaw kaw. People remember forever. Nobody would trust you anymore.

toyoi
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They did the same when they sell their company to china?
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Hmm? U mean after getting sold to china, do they still practice this openness?

Well, that vid was made during development of XC90 mk2. They're already under Geely way before that.
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QUOTE(Vape On @ Aug 23 2016, 05:00 PM)
Talk kok la boy.

Toyota altis selling in literally EVERY country on earth.

Your jaguh kampung cannot sell at all.

Have to be so pitiful come to /k go to f&f post these kind of accident photo to push for sales.

Maybe proton have a good product this time.

But i am truly sorry and feel very kesian for you all need to resort to advertise here with accident photo.

Its like this. You fark the user kaw kaw. People remember forever. Nobody would trust you anymore.

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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Aug 22 2016, 05:47 PM)
iriz also hpf. how come bezza score better in terms of frontal crash of course? bezza scored 15.38/16. iriz scored 14.07/16.
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my god its not about the strength of the material only la dear cavemans, its all in the whole structured design. And for ancap different segment cars should not be compared directly haizz.
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 22 2016, 06:16 PM)
Although important, steel strength is not the be-all-end-all factor in cabin stiffness, there is also the design and weld points.

If Bezza can score full stars in NCAP, maybe there is some clever design going on.
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Saw the new persona being test drove in Glenmarie today. Overall exterior design and looks is much better than Bezza. The driver also kaw kaw drove the car cilok here and there and use hard brake... The road was clear so I just follow the Persona until the junction.

From the looks of it, quite promising I reckon.
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why so much fuss? i thought HPF have been part of proton circa preve.
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QUOTE(xxhunter @ Aug 23 2016, 05:24 PM)
my god its not about the strength of the material only la dear cavemans, its all in the whole structured design. And for ancap different segment cars should not be compared directly haizz.
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deswai i dunno why HPF , which is a steel forming technology suddenly end up as a factor to promote safety lol.
just say you got use a few metal parts which achieve ultra high tensile strength la.
and show 3d chassis diagram on those colored parts
example below. no one cares if its HPF or other ways to achieve the strength.

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Anyone had test drive persona??any comment??just now i had read the comment in fb..they keep mentioned that the space for leg in rear seat were not satisfying them..is it true?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 23 2016, 07:06 PM)
deswai i dunno why HPF , which is a steel forming technology suddenly end up as a factor to promote safety lol.
just say you got use a few metal parts which achieve ultra high tensile strength la.

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Agreed. I also don't understand why they choose to pimp HPF instead of UHSS.

Actually what they were trying to communicate was "Unlike most carmakers, we have some high tech HPF press in our factory that can make lightweight UHSS, so our cars are tough but lightweight"......which would invite more questions like "lightweight why FC still so high?" or "so that's why you need RM1.5bil bailout because you spent the money on some fancy press machine" laugh.gif

Oh well....that's Poton marketing for you. If they had just simply threw out a 1.5GPa figure it would've been simpler and more impressive, instead of HPF HPF HPF.

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QUOTE(tidus2k @ Aug 23 2016, 07:52 AM)
1. One of the main contributor for good crash result is the weight. Bezza is 930kg max while iriz 1180kg max. In frontal odb test, the kinetic energy come from the car itself. Crash engineer rule of thumb, 100kg reduction leads to 10% less intrusion @ firewall. Easier to get good result.
2. Engine package. The smaller the size (not cc), the better the crash result. Bezza has good engine package.
3. Crash is stochastic event, very difficult to get consistent result especially @ lower leg area. Let say you can get max 16 points in one test, you can get as low as 15.4 points in another test. So if iriz 14.07, most probably due to it is at the lowest limit (engineer task is to ensure that in the worst variation, it can still achieve the target)
4. Crash result depends on dummy calibration. For each area, head, neck, chest, femur, tibia etc there's a corridor that the dummy need to comply. let say chest deflection, you can have variations up to 6mm between dummy to another dummy. If in the test, you get dummy calibrated at the lower corridor, then you're lucky.

How do I know this? I used to worked as crash simulation engineer for audi.

For you to compare iriz and bezza result is unfair due to huge weight difference, this has been explained in NCAP FAQ. In high speed collision between both car, bezza has less chance to survive. Bezza has max 590MPa steel, iriz has countless 590MPa, a few 780,980,1180MPa parts with a couple of 1470MPa grade of hot formed steel
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Agreed. I also don't understand why they choose to pimp HPF instead of UHSS.

Actually what they were trying to communicate was "Unlike most carmakers, we have some high tech HPF press in our factory that can make lightweight UHSS, so our cars are tough but lightweight"......which would invite more questions like "lightweight why FC still so high?" or "so that's why you need RM1.5bil bailout because you spent the money on some fancy press machine" laugh.gif

Oh well....that's Poton marketing for you. If they had just simply threw out a 1.5GPa figure it would've been simpler and more impressive, instead of HPF HPF HPF.
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I mean why not? It is a marketing opportunity and you make use of it. They didn't emphasize on HPF at all during Preve, just mention about it at glance. But it is not part of their big marketing campaign. Not in the Suprima and Iriz. Now they decided, we have this technology and others don't. how fool are we not use this as marketing? If other automakers have this, they will make use full of it. Even the Perodua already quite bangga about their 590Mpa HS. Proton just keep quite about this. Even exora already have UHSS they did not market it properly.

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 23 2016, 10:59 PM)
I mean why not?  It is a marketing opportunity and you make use of it.  They didn't emphasize on HPF at all during Preve, just mention about it at glance. But it is not part of their big marketing campaign.  Not in the Suprima and Iriz.  Now they decided, we have this technology and others don't. how fool are we not use this as marketing?  If other automakers have this, they will make use full of it. Even the Perodua already quite bangga about their 590Mpa HS. Proton just keep quite about this. Even exora already have UHSS they did not market it properly.
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Sure HPF is nice to have. But UHSS would be the more important point right? I mean the name UHSS directly refers to strong steel used in the car, while HPF refers to the process only.

You look at the Persona360 video, at the shot showing the factory floor, on of the Persona assembly line, replace those "HPF HPF HPF HPF" with "UHSS UHSS UHSS UHSS".....wouldn't that be more straight to the point?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 23 2016, 07:06 PM)
deswai i dunno why HPF , which is a steel forming technology suddenly end up as a factor to promote safety lol.
just say you got use a few metal parts which achieve ultra high tensile strength la.
and show 3d chassis diagram on those colored parts
example below. no one cares if its HPF or other ways to achieve the strength.

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they have actually,during preve,suprima,iriz,but persona i think will come later when they called up the media for media drive in open road,rather than tracks. even during exora,they also explain it.

This is just my own opinion, for general public, we can say it strong,we can put figures 1500mpa n etc,but the question still remains,how strong it is? unless u r car enthusiast or have engineering background,then it shudnt be a problem. But for general public, they need to see something that easier to comprehend and you have only 2 minutes to explain in a short video.

htss or uhtss always appear in any car launching in malaysia,but what make proton diff then?

and it also to show the improvement proton has made from old model to the newer one. if talking about uhtss,what a fuss about that,gen 2 already use it eventhough minimum. That is what it means he evolution from old persona to new persona.

i believe its clearly evidence in the video, from mild steel being process using hpf method create stronger material, it stated 5 times,but anyone can write that.

like 5 star ncap,eventhough ita already stated 5 star ncap,general public will question,just 64kmh,48kmh,56kmh,35kmh,just hitting barrier,not hitting an actual car n bla bla bla,n it only be prove when actually accident happened,after then people will say,oic,thats why its 5 star,thats why its strong n etc.

but make a teaser video showing real accident isnt really good for launching/traser of a new car(eventhough its being used prev,but not video,with consent of the owner).

how many times u still hearing tin milo of proton cars,even its not tin milo to begin with. since gen2,proton has started use htss n slowly use uhtss(roll forming uhtss for side beam impact),n still u can hear it now even during persona launch.

general public isnt like lowyat forum. safety never been 1st things in their mind,so,it is a part of safety education.

if not,since gen 2 they already know and understand it.

as i mentioned previously,i dont care about proton sales cuz im not selling proton cars or what ever cars. i just want them to improve,be better,and sometimes improvement need to be told,or people wont realise that. even being told, it is still unheard.

same as bcm. so many technical things being highlighted during exora launch,but many dont realise it. thats why now they just simplify things,hopefully it reach the public in general.

and for techie part,i think upcoming media drive will explain what matter most for those who do understand those techie part.

i just pity those in rnd, they work their ass out despite a lot of limitations especially on budgets n man power. Those otai2 in rnd already flock to bigger companies. They need to be highlighted nd to be heard, its the 1st time if i can recall,their work behind the scene being put in video teasers.

If not,just faz & fairuz,which you know it just an ads,like any others ads.

im deeply sorry for long comment.
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 23 2016, 11:11 PM)
Sure HPF is nice to have. But UHSS would be the more important point right? I mean the name UHSS directly refers to strong steel used in the car, while HPF refers to the process only.

You look at the Persona360 video, at the shot showing the factory floor, on of the Persona assembly line, replace those "HPF HPF HPF HPF" with "UHSS UHSS UHSS UHSS".....wouldn't that be more straight to the point?
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I think by emphasizing the process HPF will contribute more "wow factor" rather than just mention UTHSS. UTHSS not necessarily must be manufacturered by using HPF. Event u can direct press from UTHSS steel coil without any special process such as HPF. Plus not all people know what is UTHSS, its strength etc.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:49 PM)
manufacturers around the world promote Ultra high tensile steel
this one promote HPF pulak.. lol means to say they not using Ultra high tensile steel to begin with!
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do you realise Ultra High Strength Steel start from 700MPa onward. This HPF is actually >1500Mpa and in ultra high tensile strength steel category.

Also proton has been using this part since Preve, and the development project start from 2010.
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Aug 23 2016, 11:21 PM)
they have actually,during preve,suprima,iriz,but persona i think will come later when they called up the media for media drive in open road,rather than tracks. even during exora,they also explain it.

This is just my own opinion, for general public, we can say it strong,we can put figures 1500mpa n etc,but the question still remains,how strong it is? unless u r car enthusiast or have engineering background,then it shudnt be a problem. But for general public, they need to see something that easier to comprehend and you have only 2 minutes to explain in a short video.

htss or uhtss always appear in any car launching in malaysia,but what make proton diff then?

and it also to show the improvement proton has made from old model to the newer one. if talking about uhtss,what a fuss about that,gen 2 already use it eventhough minimum. That is what it means he evolution from old persona to new persona.

i believe its clearly evidence in the video, from mild steel being process using hpf method create stronger material, it stated 5 times,but anyone can write that.

like 5 star ncap,eventhough ita already stated 5 star ncap,general public will question,just 64kmh,48kmh,56kmh,35kmh,just hitting barrier,not hitting an actual car n bla bla bla,n it only be prove when actually accident happened,after then people will say,oic,thats why its 5 star,thats  why its strong n etc.

but make a teaser video showing real accident isnt really good for launching/traser of a new car(eventhough its being used prev,but not video,with consent of the owner).

how many times u still hearing tin milo of proton cars,even its not tin milo to begin with. since gen2,proton has started use htss n slowly use uhtss(roll forming uhtss for side beam impact),n still u can hear it now even during persona launch.

general public isnt like lowyat forum. safety never been 1st things in their mind,so,it is a part of safety education.

if not,since gen 2 they already know and understand it.

as i mentioned previously,i dont care about proton sales cuz im not selling proton cars or what ever cars. i just want them to improve,be better,and sometimes improvement need to be told,or people wont realise that. even being told, it is still unheard.

same as bcm. so many technical things being highlighted during exora launch,but many dont realise it. thats why now they just simplify things,hopefully it reach the public in general.

and for techie part,i think upcoming media drive will explain what matter most for those who do understand those techie part.

i just pity those in rnd, they work their ass out despite a lot of limitations especially on budgets n man power. Those otai2 in rnd already flock to bigger companies. They need to be highlighted nd to be heard, its the 1st time if i can recall,their work behind the scene being put in video teasers.

If not,just faz & fairuz,which you know it just an ads,like any others ads.

im deeply sorry for long comment.
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 23 2016, 11:11 PM)
Sure HPF is nice to have. But UHSS would be the more important point right? I mean the name UHSS directly refers to strong steel used in the car, while HPF refers to the process only.

You look at the Persona360 video, at the shot showing the factory floor, on of the Persona assembly line, replace those "HPF HPF HPF HPF" with "UHSS UHSS UHSS UHSS".....wouldn't that be more straight to the point?
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QUOTE(axelrade @ Aug 23 2016, 11:41 PM)
do you realise Ultra High Strength Steel start from 700MPa onward. This HPF is actually >1500Mpa and in ultra high tensile strength steel category.

Also proton has been using this part since Preve, and the development project start from 2010.
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QUOTE(axelrade @ Aug 23 2016, 11:41 PM)
do you realise Ultra High Strength Steel start from 700MPa onward. This HPF is actually >1500Mpa and in ultra high tensile strength steel category.

Also proton has been using this part since Preve, and the development project start from 2010.
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HPF is process la process

its not the product.
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Anyone had test drive persona??any comment??just now i had read the comment in fb..they keep mentioned that the space for leg in rear seat were not satisfying them..is it true?
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I go to 2 different shop
both also never offered me testdrive
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no annoyance that I find in the iriz is fix, still stupid headunit, still stupid dashboard cover underneath at driver seats. still stupid smartag holder that can't hold the smartag, still stupid door unlocked button that cannot be seen during daylight, still stupid oversized push start button casing, still no armrest, a sad thing when P2 try hard to fix axia disadvantages with bezza,P1 just don't give a fucuk.

probably make it worse too. 2 tone I like but grey centre consul is ugly. the front seat seems different than iriz. they make it small probably to make potential buyer think the car is big. bit there's go one of the main advantage of P1 cabin, the really comfy seats. backseat even worse, not only no adjustable headrest, the cutout has been cheapen so now no back support, it's also shorter that the integrated headrest is only below my neck. felts really like wira backseat.

so I ask the SA, they say they don't know. kereta baru then I try to go into an iriz but both shop kunci the iriz. so I try opening other models , and the saga and preve are unlocked. even ask them to open the iriz which they don't wanna do.

exterior
bontot very gooding yoo. bestest bontot proton ever did. nice job on the tail lights as well, despite being bulbs it's look like Kia high keras light. front also look so garang. make the car seems wider and lower and finally the base model look equivalents to other variants and not cacat like iriz standards. but the side bit cacat. look like the dugong vios all over again.

but the base persona is a whole 6k cheaper than iriz plus the free service should add another 3k discount so its ok though. notice that at least in Melaka the public don't give a fucuk. there's less pipu around then the iriz launch and showroom are closed before 9pm and lot less than that other manufacturers who open showrooms till 12 on launch day.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 23 2016, 11:47 PM)
HPF is process la process

its not the product.
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just asking 1 question ..what is the minimum MPA to be categorized under ultra high tensile steel category?

i am not steel guy .. so just bare with my newbie question
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Aug 24 2016, 12:08 AM)
just asking 1 question ..what is the minimum MPA to be categorized under ultra high tensile steel category?

i am not steel guy .. so just bare with my newbie question
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maybe as someone above says maybe from 700..all the way to 2000
can use any process that is required to handle it. at the end still state as what strength steel.(product)
not HPF ke cold rolled ke..(process)

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HPF is process la process

its not the product.
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I know HPF is process which is hot press forming. But the term HPF steel normally being use to identify this type of steel.

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QUOTE(axelrade @ Aug 24 2016, 12:13 AM)
I know HPF is process which is hot press forming. But the term HPF steel normally being use to identify this type of steel.

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NOPE

comes in rolls and sheets also above 1000MPa (not even hot pressed yet)

some steel suppliers data sheet below.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:36 PM)


Ni semua sarahan protong menyusahkan abam bomba potong HPF steel mad.gif
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NOPE

comes in rolls and sheets also above 1000MPa (not even hot pressed yet)

some steel suppliers data sheet below.
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Ok let me summarize a bit, the 1500MPa is HPF part produce from HPF steel (initial around 600MPa with special coating) by using HPF method.

Correct, the one you listed is UTHSS, but it is impossible to stamp this cold rolled steel because the tensile strength is to much. It will create spring back effect to the part.

That is why HPF method being use to counter this spring back issue.

You need to understand the different between HPF steel and normal cold rolled steel. HPF steel have special coating to transform the steel from 600Mpa to 1500Mpa through HPF process. While UTHSS cold rolled produce through normal cold rolling process.

another info for sharing.

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QUOTE(axelrade @ Aug 24 2016, 01:03 AM)
Ok let me summarize a bit, the 1500MPa is HPF part produce from HPF steel (initial around 600MPa with special  coating) by using HPF method.

Correct, the one you listed is UTHSS, but it is impossible to stamp this cold rolled steel because the tensile strength is to much. It will create spring back effect to the part.

That is why HPF method being use to counter this spring back issue.

You need to understand the different between HPF steel and normal cold rolled steel. HPF steel have special coating to transform the steel from 600Mpa to 1500Mpa through HPF process. While UTHSS cold rolled produce through normal cold rolling process.

another info for sharing.

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you forgot, that spring back issue that u describe can be attributed due to low elongation is properties (see chart) generally for ultra high strength steels, this as u said affecting formability of the stamp parts.
now got new products that can settle the elongation issue. advance steel products its now in 3rd generation and newer already.

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another point, is that the use of high strength steels is so that you use less steel in weight to maintain strength (while meeting highest crash test results) while reducing BIW (body in white) weight, thus improving fuel economy

did proton ever promote that aspect of why top 10 manufacturers use UHSS to save weight thus improve fuel economy? maybe that is what they should be doing to highlight such benefits to lay people who dont know and dont care what HPF is.

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QUOTE(sad_ticket @ Aug 24 2016, 01:57 AM)
Low spec persona got what rating in crash test. 4 star or 5 star.

Perodua Bezza low spec only 4 star rating , high spec then got 5 star rating.
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all specs 5 star la.

ABS + EBD, TC + ESC, HHA all comes as standard.

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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 23 2016, 08:57 AM)
Thanks  rclxms.gif  The factor of Steel tensile strength is something new to me in terms of safety engineering, so is the weight factor in crash testing. Thanks for sharing.
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QUOTE(wholaimi @ Aug 23 2016, 03:48 PM)
FYI...for those who make fun of bomba dtg potong in the advert...

actually Proton had to demonstrate to inform BOMBA & JPAM about cutting the body of the car especially with HPF/UHSS. Identify them which area to cut since front monoque body are made of HPF/UHSS. It was done during the introdcution of Preve to ensure bomba & jpam have the right equipment in case of an accident.
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 23 2016, 09:40 AM)
Poton made sure to insert this shot "Not Takata OK!"  laugh.gif
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Oh well....that's Poton marketing for you. If they had just simply threw out a 1.5GPa figure it would've been simpler and more impressive, instead of HPF HPF HPF.
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>implying Proton is not crappy.
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poor people only got crappy choices.

and among the crappy choices, proton is the least of evil. regardless of whatever political reasons behind the brand and country it is associated with.
i've been driving for a long time, and driven many cars, on or off track, spiritedly/very aggressively.

anything that p2 offered/offers to me is... no.
my *ONLY* exception was that funny 1998 used 660 manual kancil that i picked/bought and even handled all the ownership transfer/puspakom inspection for my sister.

cornering with that little turd at 100-120kph having the feeling that the car may topple at any moment with the screeching tires somehow end up... I'm still alive.
i'm not sure if these are contributing factors... having rear multilink?(uh, something not torsion beam basically lol) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daihatsu_Mira...ries_.281990.29
(which could be due to the daihatsu mira that the kancil based off, had a 4 wheel drive version)
http://www.nolathane.com.au/do_segue.php?m...2F1990-4%2F1995

That, and the kancil was the reason i fell in love with manual cars laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 23 2016, 12:10 AM)
since when did they manage to cut cost with each car they build? if they did . they wont lose 1.6bil building 100k cars right? i.e. 16k per car in losses.
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QUOTE(perrrhhh @ Aug 22 2016, 09:28 PM)
Asalkan handling like lotos and can overtake superbike. Its okay maaa
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all this HPF vs Ultra steel comparison shit is pointless as long as they managed to get 5-star safety.

nvidia only need maxwell on 28nm to be equal to amd polaris on 14nm on enfficiency wise. so who win?
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 23 2016, 11:11 PM)
Sure HPF is nice to have. But UHSS would be the more important point right? I mean the name UHSS directly refers to strong steel used in the car, while HPF refers to the process only.

You look at the Persona360 video, at the shot showing the factory floor, on of the Persona assembly line, replace those "HPF HPF HPF HPF" with "UHSS UHSS UHSS UHSS".....wouldn't that be more straight to the point?
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Because UHSS, they had those already since Exora. HPF is the process unique to them at this moment, thus it is the marketing advantage.

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Aug 23 2016, 11:21 PM)
they have actually,during preve,suprima,iriz,but persona i think will come later when they called up the media for media drive in open road,rather than tracks. even during exora,they also explain it.

This is just my own opinion, for general public, we can say it strong,we can put figures 1500mpa n etc,but the question still remains,how strong it is? unless u r car enthusiast or have engineering background,then it shudnt be a problem. But for general public, they need to see something that easier to comprehend and you have only 2 minutes to explain in a short video.

htss or uhtss always appear in any car launching in malaysia,but what make proton diff then?

and it also to show the improvement proton has made from old model to the newer one. if talking about uhtss,what a fuss about that,gen 2 already use it eventhough minimum. That is what it means he evolution from old persona to new persona.

i believe its clearly evidence in the video, from mild steel being process using hpf method create stronger material, it stated 5 times,but anyone can write that.

like 5 star ncap,eventhough ita already stated 5 star ncap,general public will question,just 64kmh,48kmh,56kmh,35kmh,just hitting barrier,not hitting an actual car n bla bla bla,n it only be prove when actually accident happened,after then people will say,oic,thats why its 5 star,thats  why its strong n etc.

but make a teaser video showing real accident isnt really good for launching/traser of a new car(eventhough its being used prev,but not video,with consent of the owner).

how many times u still hearing tin milo of proton cars,even its not tin milo to begin with. since gen2,proton has started use htss n slowly use uhtss(roll forming uhtss for side beam impact),n still u can hear it now even during persona launch.

general public isnt like lowyat forum. safety never been 1st things in their mind,so,it is a part of safety education.

if not,since gen 2 they already know and understand it.

as i mentioned previously,i dont care about proton sales cuz im not selling proton cars or what ever cars. i just want them to improve,be better,and sometimes improvement need to be told,or people wont realise that. even being told, it is still unheard.

same as bcm. so many technical things being highlighted during exora launch,but many dont realise it. thats why now they just simplify things,hopefully it reach the public in general.

and for techie part,i think upcoming media drive will explain what matter most for those who do understand those techie part.

i just pity those in rnd, they work their ass out despite a lot of limitations especially on budgets n man power. Those otai2 in rnd already flock to bigger companies. They need to be highlighted nd to be heard, its the 1st time if i can recall,their work behind the scene being put in video teasers.

If not,just faz & fairuz,which you know it just an ads,like any others ads.

im deeply sorry for long comment.
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The CEO was explaining about auto unlocks upon impact. Should elaborate more on this simple feature. Because lots of new cars in Malaysia no longer have autolock because they do no want to add the necessary sensors for this auto unlocks upon impact. This why gazetted regulation is important, and Proton actually complies with regulation.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 24 2016, 03:24 AM)
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ok ma, at least they TRIED...

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QUOTE(TAN WENG @ Aug 23 2016, 11:33 AM)
sebab dulu kena tipu kao kao byk marah sampai tak ada confident . Kalau btl btl mau sales lebih banyak dari produa mereka harus letak harga kereta persona ni 44K full spec saga full spec 30k macam tu mesti akan jadi top sales  flex.gif
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Perodua bezza full spec how much?

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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Aug 24 2016, 09:22 AM)
Perodua bezza full spec how much?
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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Aug 24 2016, 05:41 AM)
kesian. engineering dgn sale dept pon xleh beza.
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yeah with mentality like you people thats why some businesses are being run into the ground.
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QUOTE(TAN WENG @ Aug 24 2016, 10:10 AM)
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More like 51k......53k with gear up
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seriously? you promo by telling ppl they'll probably die coz bomba cant rescue in time since took tooooooo fucking long to cut open.

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Just happened. Hpf vs non hpf produced car

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myvi in the wrong lane? preve is PDRM car summore lel
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:36 PM)


Ni semua sarahan protong menyusahkan abam bomba potong HPF steel mad.gif
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Rwkrut tu...

Kasi pegawai buat , lunyai terus tu.
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 25 2016, 05:07 PM)
Just happened. Hpf vs non hpf produced car

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Wind shield both also no crack

Engine bay both also koyak

A pillar both also no deformation

So?
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proton will be curse until The End

no matter what
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Pls just change the damn engine and gearbox
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why dont they just hardened the whole chasis like they hardened steel when making knife...

heat up the whole chasis then quench in oil...

terus dapat hardened steel..
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QUOTE(akagidemon @ May 11 2017, 12:06 PM)
why dont they just hardened the whole chasis like they hardened steel when making knife...

heat up the whole chasis then quench in oil...

terus dapat hardened steel..
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It will make the chasis brittle bro..

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QUOTE(akagidemon @ May 11 2017, 12:06 PM)
why dont they just hardened the whole chasis like they hardened steel when making knife...

heat up the whole chasis then quench in oil...

terus dapat hardened steel..
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If car chasis are made like that, all of the occupants will had their head decapitated because of the impact.
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QUOTE(ken_hidaibuki @ May 11 2017, 12:15 PM)
It will make the chasis brittle bro..
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u hardened then u temper it back to reduce the brittleness.
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why dont they just hardened the whole chasis like they hardened steel when making knife...

heat up the whole chasis then quench in oil...

terus dapat hardened steel..
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why dont they just hardened the whole chasis like they hardened steel when making knife...

heat up the whole chasis then quench in oil...

terus dapat hardened steel..
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Change it to aisin gearbox and jepunis engine, im sure it will come be the top selling car.

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