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post Aug 22 2016, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 22 2016, 05:49 PM)
manufacturers around the world promote Ultra high tensile steel
this one promote HPF pulak.. lol means to say they not using Ultra high tensile steel to begin with!
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They are using UHSS on exora before Preve. A mixed of UHSS+HSS.
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post Aug 22 2016, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(perrrhhh @ Aug 22 2016, 06:13 PM)
Sebab tu dia berat. Pakai besi tebal. Tu yg telan minyak tu huhuhu
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The point of HPF process, is to achieve similar level of strength like UHSS, without adding more metal.
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post Aug 22 2016, 10:16 PM

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To add, the Persona 2016 have 8 HPF parts.
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post Aug 23 2016, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Aug 22 2016, 11:21 PM)
Theirs is HPF. means all the japanese cars are inferior to proton is it. Like vios corolla and camry are more inferior compared to protons. Serious questions. Or its just that japanese are not advertising their processing
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The japanese may use UHSS up to 1000-1300mpa. It can achieve similar strength level like HPF steel, but at the expense of weight.
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post Aug 23 2016, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Aug 23 2016, 08:33 AM)
Maybe Volvo of Malaysia, if want to say Asia is too wide.. Subaru already been knew as Japanese Volvo at oversea.. Still Proton still a long way to go.. 6 Air-bags and VSC is a normal in the past.. Now people are gunning Emergency Automated Brake system, lane departure system  or Automated Driving System.. Previously if not mistaken Proton got work with LG (google: Proton Iriz prototype fitted with LG ADAS camera).. But where is the result...  confused.gif
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ADAS, AEB is for Proton on wards and they already prepared for it whenever our local JPJ gazeted it or ASEAN NCAP demand for it. If put it now, it just create unnecessary cost. They already trying hard to push the important of ESC last time, but at the end our local market are just not very sensitive in terms of this active safety system. Probably the new Exora will have this feature hopefully.
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post Aug 23 2016, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Aug 23 2016, 08:46 AM)
Lets say a vios head on collision with an iriz. Who suffers more
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Not sure. But i think the vios have maxed 590MPa HS steel only.
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 23 2016, 08:11 PM)
Agreed. I also don't understand why they choose to pimp HPF instead of UHSS.

Actually what they were trying to communicate was "Unlike most carmakers, we have some high tech HPF press in our factory that can make lightweight UHSS, so our cars are tough but lightweight"......which would invite more questions like "lightweight why FC still so high?" or "so that's why you need RM1.5bil bailout because you spent the money on some fancy press machine" laugh.gif

Oh well....that's Poton marketing for you. If they had just simply threw out a 1.5GPa figure it would've been simpler and more impressive, instead of HPF HPF HPF.
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I mean why not? It is a marketing opportunity and you make use of it. They didn't emphasize on HPF at all during Preve, just mention about it at glance. But it is not part of their big marketing campaign. Not in the Suprima and Iriz. Now they decided, we have this technology and others don't. how fool are we not use this as marketing? If other automakers have this, they will make use full of it. Even the Perodua already quite bangga about their 590Mpa HS. Proton just keep quite about this. Even exora already have UHSS they did not market it properly.

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post Aug 24 2016, 07:06 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 23 2016, 11:11 PM)
Sure HPF is nice to have. But UHSS would be the more important point right? I mean the name UHSS directly refers to strong steel used in the car, while HPF refers to the process only.

You look at the Persona360 video, at the shot showing the factory floor, on of the Persona assembly line, replace those "HPF HPF HPF HPF" with "UHSS UHSS UHSS UHSS".....wouldn't that be more straight to the point?
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Because UHSS, they had those already since Exora. HPF is the process unique to them at this moment, thus it is the marketing advantage.

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post Aug 24 2016, 07:19 AM

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Aug 23 2016, 11:21 PM)
they have actually,during preve,suprima,iriz,but persona i think will come later when they called up the media for media drive in open road,rather than tracks. even during exora,they also explain it.

This is just my own opinion, for general public, we can say it strong,we can put figures 1500mpa n etc,but the question still remains,how strong it is? unless u r car enthusiast or have engineering background,then it shudnt be a problem. But for general public, they need to see something that easier to comprehend and you have only 2 minutes to explain in a short video.

htss or uhtss always appear in any car launching in malaysia,but what make proton diff then?

and it also to show the improvement proton has made from old model to the newer one. if talking about uhtss,what a fuss about that,gen 2 already use it eventhough minimum. That is what it means he evolution from old persona to new persona.

i believe its clearly evidence in the video, from mild steel being process using hpf method create stronger material, it stated 5 times,but anyone can write that.

like 5 star ncap,eventhough ita already stated 5 star ncap,general public will question,just 64kmh,48kmh,56kmh,35kmh,just hitting barrier,not hitting an actual car n bla bla bla,n it only be prove when actually accident happened,after then people will say,oic,thats why its 5 star,thats  why its strong n etc.

but make a teaser video showing real accident isnt really good for launching/traser of a new car(eventhough its being used prev,but not video,with consent of the owner).

how many times u still hearing tin milo of proton cars,even its not tin milo to begin with. since gen2,proton has started use htss n slowly use uhtss(roll forming uhtss for side beam impact),n still u can hear it now even during persona launch.

general public isnt like lowyat forum. safety never been 1st things in their mind,so,it is a part of safety education.

if not,since gen 2 they already know and understand it.

as i mentioned previously,i dont care about proton sales cuz im not selling proton cars or what ever cars. i just want them to improve,be better,and sometimes improvement need to be told,or people wont realise that. even being told, it is still unheard.

same as bcm. so many technical things being highlighted during exora launch,but many dont realise it. thats why now they just simplify things,hopefully it reach the public in general.

and for techie part,i think upcoming media drive will explain what matter most for those who do understand those techie part.

i just pity those in rnd, they work their ass out despite a lot of limitations especially on budgets n man power. Those otai2 in rnd already flock to bigger companies. They need to be highlighted nd to be heard, its the 1st time if i can recall,their work behind the scene being put in video teasers.

If not,just faz & fairuz,which you know it just an ads,like any others ads.

im deeply sorry for long comment.
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The CEO was explaining about auto unlocks upon impact. Should elaborate more on this simple feature. Because lots of new cars in Malaysia no longer have autolock because they do no want to add the necessary sensors for this auto unlocks upon impact. This why gazetted regulation is important, and Proton actually complies with regulation.

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