as some of u who active in dispute thread know, my safe trader tag is being rip off n my name is in MOlist which i think i shouldnt deserve that in the 1st place.. the enforcer liable for this is badawi_rocks as he is the 1 rip the tag n put me into MOlist.. as if u all can see in the thread started by dandan regarding i ffk his amp 1 day before the actual date which can be found here, i did apologise but seller refuse n start a thread on me.. no money lost, no energy lost, no fuel lost, no strength lost etc.. pls be a judge n comment if i really do deserve ripping off the safe trader tag n being put into MOlist?

and according to this thread,
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/401384/+140
he said if didnt apologise, MOlist the seller go..

and accoding to this thread,
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/375455 ,
uglyvamp still able to keep his safe trader tag n the best part is he get the tag without any application needed.. i can see double standard here..

anyhow, pls comment, constructive, n useful..

This post has been edited by imperialrealcs: Jan 24 2007, 03:33 PM

actually

Geminist (Staff Tag) is the one put u(or update) u in the MO list.

Actually, didn't you say this:

imperialrealcs is a great guy to deal with, but because of this minor problem he got his safe trader tag ripped. Due to his own suggestion also, he was placed into the MOlist.

Perhaps the only thing to do now is an application to remove his name from the MOlist.

Moral of the story, don't admit you're wrong if you're not guilty. More importantly, don't EVER admit you're wrong even if YOU ARE GUILTY - sorry, this assumption is done based on my personal observation in TDRC.

agree agree, i've been tru his dispute till the end. and for dat small matter i dun think hez safe trader tag shud be ripped off and bein place in da MO. its nt even a ffk. unlike others who did nt show up during COD and bla bla bla.

Yeah true, I think it's time for a review.

totally agree i mean he is a good seller and he has like what quite a huge successful trade list

thanks for those positive reply.. i said that unconciously coz i never thought my safe trader tag would get rip off.. moral of the story is, never admit ur own mistake even u noe u r at fault.. juz like the 1st case story as in my 1st post..

Yup actually dealt with Imperialacs before and he is a great seller, so far dealt two or three times and always on time....I think mods should review his case since it is quite important to him, may be give him back his safe trader status.....

Wrong
Moral of the story is not to ask for a punishment if you're not ready to accept it

If u admitted your mistake but did not offer for such a punishment this would not have happened

Well, you asked for it to be in the MO list, so I did just that. If you're a MO, you obviously can't hold the Safe Trader tag. Its just too contradictory. So that has to go too.

But if the other party forgives you, I am prepared to reinstate your tag upon review. That said, I appreciate your candour in admitting fault quickly enough

actually i look back TS case, is it so serious, if u pm a seller, then say u want to buy things from him, then after 2 days, u ffk him saying u no cash now, have to cancel the order or buy from u later..
is it so serious until his safe trader tag removed ? if like tat, i can list out a lots of forumers who do the same things to me.. but i dont care for them. cas i think it's wont a so serious problem
then how about uglyvamp also ? if uglyvamp safe trader tag no removed, it very not fair to many forumers here.

im sorry if im too harsh on that.. was planning to get the case solve asap..

Yeah, even a 2 day ffk case got safe trader tag off, uglyvamp month case or longer doesnt even get on MO list. This is what ruins lowyat credibility. $$$

Goodness...dont u all read before replying?
He didn't have his tag stripped because of the seriousness of the case
It was because he volunteered for it himself, so if he wants it i dont see a reason why it shouldnt be done

Excuse me, what are you trying to imply?

Forgive him la boss, jcheong is always like that liao...

why can do that without even investigating or discussing if im liable for such punishment?
what im trying to imply is that, if u all (moderation team) think i should get such punishment, then go ahead, but after awhile thinking n friend discussion, i dont think i get a fair treatment here..
yes, i do admit that i said put me into the whatever list that he wish.. but 1st thing 1st, am i eligable for such punishment? if im in the molist juz because i ask for it, doesnt that mean the moderation team work is like, blind? that dont know how to judge if im eligable for it? sorry but u lite up the fire in here

This post has been edited by imperialrealcs: Jan 25 2007, 12:16 AM

is the MO list a one way street?
i can understand if the "black-listed" fellas having a harder time to become credible once again, but for the MO list, i think would need reviewing if so required..

Blind? You are one of the parties in the dispute and you agreed that you deserve such punishment. Who are we to deny your request? If you had approached the matter in a mature and calm manner, you would have realised that saying such things is foolish to begin with.

I highly suggest you learn to quit while you're ahead. You were on the road to getting your Safe Trader tag back, don't poke the hornets nest again.

This post has been edited by altie: Jan 25 2007, 12:32 AM

Well Bro, what's the big fuss about the safe trader tag? What's next? You want a blue tag like Altie's?

Come on, if you want something, ask nicely lah and be polite, like this then who wouldn't give you a chance to speak up, right?

Imperialrealcs :
Have you PM dandan to come over here to discuss?
Nothing much can be done if you continue arguing here, afterall you just wanna settle this peacefully

This post has been edited by vikingw2k: Jan 25 2007, 12:59 AM

im sorry for rude statement but rather offended with kiljim post..
anyhow, sunauto, safetrader is quite important as some forumer ask why i dont have the safetrader tag n doubt my intergrity expecially when they wana change housing for s700i.. saying not confident enough to hand over to me and wait few hours to have it done.. scared i rob etc etc

HOnestly, this is such a small matter as compared to uglyvamp's case..

Even though Imperialrealcs voluntered himself for the punishment, that doesnt mean he deserves it wan.
If you a father and your son spilt milk on floor, then he say sorry and volunteers himself to be punished by rotan, would you rotan him? of course not! he spill the milk by accident mah! and he already say sorry wat.

No offence but I don't really find anything special about it, as long as I have good references, I can do without a safe trader tag. There are many sellers deserve to get one but they choose not to because when you have built a strong customer base, who would doubt your credibility. Of course, for your case, you were once given the tag, I don't blame you for being so upset about it. Just hope you'll resolve this with the mods in a peaceful way, remember to do this when you're addressing to a mod, unless you wanna pancung kepala first.


Since you have given such an example, I'm speechless. I guess he might have tersilap cakap, we're humans after all, we might blah out the wrong words when we're angry about something.

Let me get this straight. Disputer wants satisfaction, u say, 'u can take away my safe trader tag n put me on the MO, we do that, disputer is happy. Now u r saying screw the disputer i'm not happy? U know u told us to punish that way if it made the disputer happy. Now u tell we should have not punished u that way n used our heads to come up with lesser punishment because the first one u suggest is unfair.

As RBR said, ask the disputer to come in here n say that he forgives u enough to have ur safe trader tag returned n ur name removed from the MO list.

already did so
btw, yes i did ask for that.. but on second thought, something is not right n hence the dispute thread

This post has been edited by imperialrealcs: Jan 25 2007, 12:15 PM

I wonder if you guys forget this....

Link




This post has been edited by Joshua_0718: Jan 25 2007, 12:50 PM

Joshua_0718, so ur is vote off the island? lol

Haha... Just asking whether you guys really strict on it a not, as I remember that it stated very clearly. No intention to kacau TS to get back the tag.

he is not supposed to lose that tag in the 1st place
if he deserve it, then of course he cant get it back
but in this case, i dont think he deserve that

Ouch, this is a sticky one.

That rule looks pretty inviolate. If, as some of you feel, imperialrealcs didn't deserve to lose it , but lost it nevertheless, then the inference is that mistake is the admins'.

Even if this is so, can the admin change the rule just this once to undo the apparent injustice done to imperialrealcs? I don't think so. The rule uses the term "never". It does not make any provision for appeal under any circumstances.

As it stands, any attempt to give imperialrealcs back his ST tag will unfortunately reduce the value of the tag because the perception will be that the losing the tag is no longer a terminal event.

Unless the rule is officially changed/rephrased, and some avenue of appeal is stated clearly, this attempt at recovering his ST tag by imperialrealcs is stalemated.

Well this will help other appriciate the Safe Trader Tag more.

IMHO, type of punishment should be given based on enforcers' judgement of the case and not to be influenced by both plaintif and defendant.

exactly my point.. thankz for voicing this out..
i've pm dandan2 to come over but he doesnt

well, its your fault for disrespecting the tag. Just because you have it, doesn't mean you can't loose it, and throwing it around as though it doesn't mean anything to you was your own fault. While you could be the greatest trader in the world, please respect our rules, and our way of doing things in here.

While i do understand that this is a trivial case, your attitude of "i'm above the law" does not help you one bit. As a safe trader, you have an obligation to behave in a reputable manner. Solve your dispute and we'll reinstate your status - and make sure you treat the tag with more respect, because i'm sure now you know, it does have its values.

The difference between your case and uglyvamp's case is that he never requested his tag to be removed, and also, we understood that he required more time to settle the dispute (not that he was avoiding the dispute and behaving as if he didn't give a damn about the dispute).

The rule on "if you loose the tag, you will never get it back" only applies to unsettled disputes, or unresolved complaints against the holder of a safe trader tag. In any transaction, there will be disputes, the way you handle and solve it is what makes you worth being called a safe trader. As many will know, we don't simply give out the tags to everybody who asks.

then exactly how does one get the tag? i've heard uglyvamp got his tag without asking

I would like to have this explication clarified. Does this mean that any one who loses his ST tag during a dispute can have it back if he resolves his dispute?

More information on Safe Trader here

ah icc..question answered..thx

This post has been edited by gr2000: Jan 26 2007, 02:08 PM

unsettled dispute? i dont see any dispute here.. anyhow, i've pm'ed dandan2 to come over but to no avail

I guess if he doesn't wanna come here, that means he probably doesn't wanna pursue this matter anymore. No news is good news?

as i check his account, he hasnt online for 2days edi.. which is his last active is 24th

Keep monitoring, if he's online and refuses to come here, you can just tell the mods that it ain't your fault, you have sincerely invited him to come here so if he doesn't wanna come here, then I guess you should get back your safe trader tag as there's no dispute anymore.

I think this is a matter of respect & understanding

I also made a deal to buy somebody DVD player, everything is confirmed BUT something happened n i need to use the money 1st n promised to contact him before CNY
he understood what had happened to me n OK with it
our deal is, if somebody want it within this time, i agreed if he want to sell the DVD player to other forumers

problem between imperialrealcs n dandan is matter of understanding n respect
dandan in a matter of fact, for me is a rude seller
just imagine if u have a shop, somebody come to your shop n say that he/she want to buy an item in your shop but say to you that he/she has to go to ATM machine to withdraw the money first and somemore said he/she want to buy this item for his/her friend...
after few minutes, the customer didn't return back...
so, in this kind of situation, do u get angry with a customer like this?
it happen everyday, customer come n go,
if u have luck, another customer will come n buy the item from u
not just simply state that imperialrealcs is your final customer
it is rude in terms of business attitude...

for imperialrealcs, when u face this kind of problem, don't just simply admit your wrongdoing and don't say you don't mind if your safetrader tag being taken off...
if you want to defend yourself, don't do that yet unless you have proven guilty
AND one more thing, if u know dandan mad at u, u should PM him
apologise to him n will try to find a customer for him
in a way to boost his sale...

to MOD, don't be too harsh on imperialrealcs
this is his first mistake i guest, n please try to just give him a last warning
not just simply took his safetrader tag...
for me the problem isn't that big or anything like he want to con people
he is well known trader in LY n people knew him well...

i think both party didn't have respect & understanding...

my 2 cents

he means you will NEVER get back your safetrader tag if you have unsettled dispute. For your case, it is sort of settled, therefore the rules doesn't apply here. So, with enough begging and good behaviour, they might reinstate your safetrader tag.

Here is my little opinion. Mods should give your a period of time say 3 months. If within that 3 months you prove yourself worthy of safetrader tag, then you will get it back. After all, it's you who ask it to be removed. Then you ask it to be restored immediately? Not so easy man...think before you leap. Goodluck.

yeah, i do learn lesson now never admit ur own fault
but 1 thing.. i never ask to withdraw my safe trader tag.. besides, i already told him that im sorry several times via pm n messenger.. we need his clarification here as i dont want other people think im boasting around.. nontheless, he doesnt accept my apologies n hence he start the thread..

Yeahhh
agreed with that,
come out with warning what so ever
took off his safe trader tag is something big man
his business will ruin a bit
and who's responsible on this?


That's y i called him rude seller!
Like the one we have at Petaling Street
You don't want to buy, i call my friend and beat you!
similar is it???

There's a lot of potential buyer out there, why put the blame on you
that's ridiculous! totally unmatured person/seller

So you mean someone should be responsible for his business? Did he pay any rent to do business here? So you mean the one who took away his tag should pay for his loss? How ridiculous

His safe trader is removed because he is in MO list. Like one of the forummer said before, a member with safe trader tag while at the same time in the MO list is contradictory.

I didn't meant that
just asking who,

this is misunderstanding situation, why we have to go like this?
just give him a warning what so ever...

It doesnt matter if you have a safe trader tag or not...if you got a good reputation then its good then.You got a full list of sucessful tradelist..people will still believe you.

I thought is just a matter that TS felt that unfair for him...You can imagine
- his case is a bit only, and he admitted his fault, and took his punishment
- other's case he mentioned I think is worse and more serious, and they didn't admit the faults but nothing happened
If like me, I also felt not comfortable la...IMO, he said that put him in whatever list just because he wants to settle the thing
If MOD is more sensitive then everything is ok...

the problem is dat, sumtimes ur customer isnt just ony from lyn, or mayb it cud be sum newbie in this forum. and watz da 1st impression this ppl wud have to TS? omg, in MO list! dun buy from him!. nt everyone wud look into his case. and for sum ppl once ur blacklisted ur rep for trading indicates negativity, therefore ppl wud think twice trading with him. the worst part of all, hez 1 good seller but becoz of sum misunderstanding it turn him to a bad 1.


totally agree. actually dis case shud close since it isnt even a dispute. and yet i wonder how it turn out da TS to be a ffk and got into MO list. mayb its becoz of the TS itself, haha dun type when ure feeling furious with sum1. it will lead u to sumthg like "PUT ME INTO THE MO LIST LA, I DUN CARe". lol

Then who's fault should it be.Once your in the MO list,seriously ur tag will be stripped off.Its like challenging the mod but in the end suffer the consequences.

So why is this thread still moving?.

theorically, ur assumption is correct.. practically, u r wrong.. if u were to check my previous post, i did say why i need the tag

coz that time i wanted to solve the thing asap.. then i say put me in to whatever list without thinkin ill get safe trader tag provoked..

agreed, thats y i refrain myself from posting alot to avoid more flames

so who's fault do u think?

May have it back, depending on the circumstances. A resolved dispute is where both parties are amicable in the solution.

from what i understand...
u can get the safe trader tag
but if something gone wrong, for god sake, once!
your safe trader will be taken off and u will never get it back
if like that, might as well don't apply for the tag at all!
people make mistake every seconds
in this online forum, something we write sometimes doesn't relate our expression or feeling
n easily can be misunderstanding

RBR, care to do anything since dandan2 reluctant to reply here

I think you should send a PM to RBR personally.

sorry guys...havent been active in lowyat for the pass few days...

sitting at home reading books for SPM..

Anyway,,what is there to explain?

As far as i can remembered,I deal with impcs on the Amplifier for RM200

He confirm with me and in the end,no reply for a few days...Its just like an auction,you won the bid,and you say you have no money to pay??

Well,face the music

nontheless, i've told u to cancel deal before the deal date.. u got nothing to lose also

Dandan...
doing business it's not just up to one customer
IF the deal is ON, it's still not going anywhere unless he pay you...
just imagine u open a shop, then somebody come and said want to buy your goods
but he said have to go to the ATM machine, will come back later BUT he didn't show up
would you be angry with your customer?

in Garage Sales there's hundreds of potential buyer
if u can't get it (the customer) today doesn't mean that you can't get it next week..

Face the music of what? You yourself should face the music of selling items
The deal is NOT ON until he pay you...
There's no black n white on this, just PMs and PMs cannot consider as black & white
eventhough, imperialrealcs doesn't use his real name to deal with you, just some nickname is one of the forum he joined....
for me, black n white is when he pay you BUT suddenly he want to refund what so ever, then, there's some issues to discuss!!

you are wrong. Try to look into contract law. Even verbal agreement is considered a contract. PMs is definitely viable as a legal contract.

For the past case, between dandan and imperial, eventhough it's not a serious case, someone is still at fault. Who do you think is at fault? Read the previous case thread is you don't know. Don't just jump to conclusion based on postings here. I will say dandan certainly is not at fault. If he wants imperial to "face the music" then so be it. He have all the rights to it.

I am sorry to imperial if it seems I am against you but it's nothing personal.

I know...BUT the verbal agreement is between imperiarealcs and dandan
not between their real name what so ever
for me once you transfer the money, that's the deal for me...

it's up to u disagree

so u think all safe trader have never ffk before? i think there are plenty who ffk is juz that not all seller act like dandan.. apologise is given n yet, he dont accept it So what can i do? And u think this ffk case justify the removal of my safe trader tag n to be put in MO list? besides, dandan still have nothing to lose.. no money lost, no energy lost, no fuel lost etc..

btw, his amp is not that real cheap.. coz im still noob that time n i get better offer from hellfire8888 ... same price, higher rating, 4channels amp.. if given both option, of coz i will opt for hellfire8888's amp.. my assumption is, dandan wanted to get rid of the amp ASAP.. then im the only buyer, i ffk, he damn angry coz thinkin he already get rid the amp

imperial, you might want to review back one of the listed criteria for a safe trader tag.



While we might consider changing the 'never' to something less definite, the fact is you as a safe trader are to adhere to a high level of conduct in buying and selling. It would seem to be, from your replies that you think you do not have to adhere to this. We will consider removing your name from the MO list once this issue is settled, but your chances of getting back your safe trader tag is almost as good as gone.

May this be an example to all safe traders, we do NOT give out the tag for fun, and you are to respect the tag as much as a potential buyer/seller respects you for having the tag. This is not some auction site where being a safe trader means having been verified and have 101 successful trades. In here, being a safe trader means someone who the community respects, and someone who is expected to behave in a professional manner in all dealings related to this trade zone.

in other word, u mean the way how uglyvamp traded is consider as high level of conduct? i noe i wont get any merit for replying what i think is contradict but at least i feel satisfied

let admin do the judging...no point fighting

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Added on January 29, 2007, 7:09 pmdont compare with other people.Why dont you complain that you are not rich enough than others?Blame God then

This post has been edited by dandan2: Jan 29 2007, 07:09 PM

imperialrealcs, omg. Yes, maybe some safe traders FFK some ppl and they handle the situation with those people to that party's satisfaction so those cases were never brought up here.

You on the other hand didn't. The seller was still not happy and you loftily offered up your safe trader tag.

How does that translate to us? This is what it sounds like: 'The offence is minor that I can offer my ST tag and suggest to be entered in the MO list. I mean I only FFK him FGS. They'll never do it for something like that.'

I'm not familiar with the uglyvamp case, but the "he did it and got away with it, so I should too" excuse doesn't work here.

We may be harsh, and its probably against public opinion, but if we reinstate your safe trader tag it'll make a mockery of our stringent rules for even getting the tag.

i hope u can quote me for saying 'I can offer my ST tag '
n since it is minor offence, i dont see why my safe trader tag is strip off..
btw RBR, read thread started by 'hari' to get the case

"mod, i'm ready to be in Minor Offence with some warning for my offences sweat.gif" = MO = did not "adhere to a high level of conduct when doing transactions" = no Safe Trader Tag.

"soo thats y i've said many times in my previous post that u can give me warning n put me into whatever list as suggested.." - removal of Safe Trader Tag not warning enough? And u're on the MO list.

Uglyvamp name being mentioned a number of time here, the link to refresh:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/375455

imperialrealcs, I feel sorry for you.

Uglyvamp said he did not care about the tag, so the mod let him keep the tag. It is reverse psychology

You should do the same

For uglyvamp's case, i believe he did not have his tag stripped cause in the end the complainants accepted his explanation and the case was settled there (correct me if i'm wrong)

If hari or davidletterboyz felt it was not enough and wants his safe trader tag removed, they can continue to complaint and in the end that will happen
What other unrelated ppl think doesn't matter here, this is not a popularity section where we take votes on what to be done

PM me if u want that thread reopened so that u can continue your complaint

This post has been edited by KilJim: Jan 29 2007, 11:05 PM

nevermind la imperialrealcs,

eventhough your safe trader tag is gone for good
u still have business to run right?

life goes on dude, chill up!

agreed.. afterall, this dispute corner is a funny 1 coz mod can simply strip people's tag juz because the opposing side wanted to without further discussion..
n in uglyvamp case, he did mention he does not care bout the safe trader tag but he still can have it
so my conclusion here is mod doesnt really do consideration based on the severity of offence..

No, mod stripped your tag because you asked for it to be stripped. You also admitted fault. Not because the other party requested. You did.




Then, mod did consideration. Mod looked at safe trader factors:-
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/111861

Even though your offence is not very severe, it is still sufficient to warrant removal of the Safe Trader tag. How would the other people unsuccessful in their applications feel when they see someone like you who have admitted to committing an offence (and is in the MO list as a result of that) get to keep your tag?

This post has been edited by RBR: Jan 31 2007, 10:19 AM

u make it too rush/harsh without further consideration.. i said that juz because i wana settle the dispute fast.. besides, it is not even a dispute.. if ffk is eligable to get his/her name in MO list, then i dont see any fair treatment here as i can see alot ffk cases is going on.. or u gona say, 'because u ask for it'?
im ready to be in, BUT, do i deserve that?
or did u hold any grudge on me?


http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/375455/+40
take this! this is quoted in hari thread.. that also means he is ready and ask to be be strip the safe trader tag.. DO IT~
no double standard please

ps.. http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/111861
uglyvamp did ask for safetrader tag.. what a shame.. anyhow, juz strip it off by all mean.. or u gona say, 'he active in here more than u do n i think he is trusted' thingy
what the hell, im risking to get holidays juz because i challenge admin.. but i think it is worth to see how corrupt they are (certain admin/mod/enforcer) only.. to those not related, sorry
and i also hope no 'you tak suka lowyat.net, u keluar dari lowyat.net' thingy
i love lowyat.net, juz like how i love malaysia, but i juz dont like the way how corrupt they work.. maybe admin got absolute power in this case which is either to give or not is completely up to them

This post has been edited by imperialrealcs: Jan 31 2007, 10:57 AM

As a comparison, between hari and uglyvamp.

Right after uglyvamp said bye bye. Buyer is still frustrated.


That's from the trade starter.

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Added on January 31, 2007, 12:12 pmTo conclude, since uglyvamp gets to keep his safe trader tag even he suggest of removing it.. then what about imperialrealcs name is still in the MO?

This post has been edited by suiteng: Jan 31 2007, 12:12 PM

First off, you treated the dispute LIGHTLY and acted THE FOOL by saying no, OFFERING yourself for punishment. You FLAUNTED your arrogance in our faces what you expect us to do? You are made an example of what it means to "adhere to a high level of conduct".



uglyvamp explained from top to bottom the whole process. He then offered compensation "And every missing items u have, I'll Re-send again at my own cost. Or refund at my own cost & even pay u back the psotage money."

As to saying he surrandered his Safe Trader Tag "Safe Trader or not Safe Trader, its fine with me. it was automatically presented by the admins the moment they enforced the new system, and i thank them for that without applying for it.", it reads that if we remove the Safe Trader Tag after the explaination and compensation offered then he is fine by the decision.

Corruption? You are asking us to be corrupt by breaking the rules we laid down. We even told you the correct OPTION on reversing the circumstances that you are in. But you still argued that the matter was minor and of not importantance thus making dandan refuse any CONCILIATION.

Now a last point for you to understand, any matter brought up in the Dispute Resolution Corner, no matter how small is still treated by us with the utmost importantance. If the disputer is satistified at the solution present or that the guilty party proves their innocence than all is well. If not then of course we will take the action available to us.

Absolute power? Corruption? You either have not been here long enough to see how we work or don't understand the words or just don't appreciate the effect that goes into running, maintaining, a free forum where traders can do businesses with relative confidence and safety. By all means should you know a better way to run such a forum, please by all means open one and lets see how you fair at the helm.

ok, he can offered compensation yada yada.. but not in my case where i already apologise n dandan still report.. am i being the wrong here?
i've been trying to reverse the circumstances that im are in but since se7en post, i dont think it is nescessary n i shoot up all the contradiction
nop, i really dont understand how u all work.. anyhow, u should read post by suiteng
anyhow, i would love to hear from our dear admin only coz they noe better

leaving this topic open

This post has been edited by imperialrealcs: Feb 1 2007, 12:38 AM

RangerRed is a Trade Enforcer. He knows just as much as anyone on the mod/admin team and you will respect his opinions just as much as anyone else on the mod/admin team.

This post has been edited by altie: Feb 1 2007, 01:53 AM

I don't get paid to strip your safe trader tag. Now you've really made us pissed by imputing alleging 'corruption'.

This issue is settled as far as I'm concerned.

so in the end you will juz settle all the contradiction juz by closing my thread?

Yes because you've accused me of being corrupt when I got no money from anybody to tend to your little dispute. So now I don't care about your case anymore. I have better things to do. So blame yourself.

sorry if u get my meaning wrongly..
what i wanted to say is the way how u work is corrupt
anyhow, i do seeking for ansewr for all those contradiction that i stated

"You are by what you do you."

*anyhow, i do seeking for ansewr for all those contradiction that i stated* work out your own contridictions before asking us to work out our's.

*sorry if u get my meaning wrongly.. what i wanted to say is the way how u work is corrupt* = "you're not corrupt, only the way you do things is."