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post Feb 9 2007, 04:14 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Feb 9 2007, 04:11 AM)
News headline: An overzealous <insert camp> fanatic went over his head on his lifelong crusade to crush <insert opposing camp> faction, and found himself in shame for his blissful ignorance. The said fanatic tucked his tail between his feet and limps lifelessly home after putting out the raging fires that's the result of his feverish attempts to attack the <insert opposing camp> with his mortar and firey catapults, but backfired and set his own <insert camp> on fire. Hilarity and forever exemplification of said incident ensues.

God, if only LYN has one of those ROFLMAO emotes in, there isnt a big or expressive enough emotes that can describe how i feel right now! Priceless! laugh.gif
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you can always use more than 1 emoticons. i bet they all look extremely cute together smile.gif
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post Feb 9 2007, 04:17 AM

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More is not necessary good, especially when you think you adding more fuel to the attack, but your fuse is short and end up blowing up your own camp.....for example, speaking of that burning house thread....laugh.gif
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post Feb 9 2007, 04:18 AM

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The way I see this format debate is going, it's all about the pot, the kettle, and the dark side of the moon. Owh and yeah poor old blu itself.
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post Feb 9 2007, 04:21 AM

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Im all for competition, bruddah! It keeps people on their toes.....occasionally people slip while tiptoeing around, while holding their lampu minyak tanah, and ended up burning their own house. Now THAT's when the debate becomes a sitcom! laugh.gif
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post Feb 9 2007, 04:28 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Feb 9 2007, 04:21 AM)
Im all for competition, bruddah! It keeps people on their toes.....occasionally people slip while tiptoeing around, while holding their lampu minyak tanah, and ended up burning their own house. Now THAT's when the debate becomes a sitcom! laugh.gif
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house ? 20 story condo wor ... poor people from other units/floors

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post Feb 9 2007, 04:33 AM

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Not to mention the pak guard shif malam
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post Feb 9 2007, 04:36 AM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Feb 9 2007, 04:28 AM)
house ? 20 story condo wor ... poor people from other units/floors
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LOL these people stay in condos now? Fits the hive-mind mentallity,singularity works within the hive! laugh.gif And oh,if the bottom floors are burning, dont jump
ship, just jump down. Staying steadfast to your "faith" is a much more swallowable punishment for arsonic negligence like this. laugh.gif

QUOTE(almostthere @ Feb 9 2007, 04:33 AM)
Not to mention the pak guard shif malam
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Even pak guard duduk diam2 tepi swimming pool pun terbakar cotar dia! Abu serpih jatuh dari tingkat 20, semua cover dari HD-DVD woh! Ada The Hulk, ada King Kong.... laugh.gif

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post Feb 9 2007, 04:39 AM

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K, personal arguments aside, ugpm string.
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post Feb 9 2007, 04:43 AM

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No i dont. No PM in my box.

What argument, we're describing scenes from the movie "Towering Inferno" here. laugh.gif And from Warner on HD-DVD too! I wonder if they want to stay on this version of "Towering Inferno" too or jump ship. laugh.gif
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post Feb 9 2007, 04:52 AM

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Feb 9 2007, 04:33 AM)
Not to mention the pak guard shif malam
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yeah .. poor them ...
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Poor the still-using-DVD folks at the bottom of the condo, they are looking up to their much enlightened HD-DVD brethren on the higher floors and saw jumpers galore! laugh.gif Not to mention hair, bodyparts and dignity on fire! laugh.gif
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post Feb 9 2007, 04:56 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Feb 9 2007, 04:53 AM)
Poor the still-using-DVD folks at the bottom of the condo, they are looking up to their much enlightened HD-DVD brethren on the higher floors and saw jumpers galore! laugh.gif Not to mention hair, bodyparts and dignity on fire! laugh.gif
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wow -- that cant be a good view. reminding me of 911 minus the 'dignity' part .
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Yup, crash and burn. Not a good sight.....especially those coming out wanting. wink.gif
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post Feb 9 2007, 05:24 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Feb 9 2007, 04:58 AM)
Yup, crash and burn. Not a good sight.....especially those coming out wanting. wink.gif
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Sounds like a song from an Aussie band to me smile.gif
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Wouldnt know really, i reckon you should know better about this "crash and burn" thing. laugh.gif
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Ok guys..now I have to voice it out..kind of in the world of confusion now...which titles should i get for blueray.. and for hd-dvd...at least can utilise both hd-dvd add on and ps3 at the same time...havin tough time now after ordering 3 disks each for both hd-dvd and blueray....dont really have any idea which format to be chosen when the same title is available in both format..pls advise....any format will do...

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QUOTE(silencer @ Feb 10 2007, 12:26 AM)
Ok guys..now I have to voice it out..kind of in the world of confusion now...which titles should i get for blueray.. and for hd-dvd...at least can utilise both hd-dvd add on and ps3 at the same time...havin tough time now after ordering 3 disks each for both hd-dvd and blueray....dont really have any idea which format to be chosen when the same title is available in both format..pls advise....any format will do...
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The Covenant (Sony Pictures Entertainment) received a 5 star PQ (picture quality) rating smile.gif .. i can only remember this one. let me check on other titles. and post the link to the Blu-ray and HD DVD title list - complete with PQ rating, audio feature, type of disk and MSRP for USA. smile.gif
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post Feb 10 2007, 03:03 AM

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the covenant....isnt that a terrible movie?
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post Feb 10 2007, 03:13 AM

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the covenant....isnt that a terrible movie?
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yupe the movie is terrible but PQ is good.. what to do .. As i have put it, the movie is like another movie is the 'boys in underwear' genre.

Added on February 10, 2007, 9:05 amDate Title St DT VC PQ Audio Subs ICT Price
01/02 Covenant S SL M 5 PCM/DD EFS+ 38.95
01/09 Crank L DL M 4.5 DTH/DD ES 38.95
01/16 Clerks II O 2DL A 4 DTHD/DD+ ES 29.95
Employee of the Month L SL A 3 DTH/DD ES 38.95
Goodfellas W DL V 4 DD+ EFS 28.95
Gridiron Gang S DL M 4 PCM/DD EFS+ 38.95
Lucky Number Slevin O ES
Mummy Returns U DL V 4.5 DD+ EFS 28.95
Poseidon W DC V 4.5 DD+ EFS 34.95
Pulse O DL A 4 DTHD/DD+ ES 29.95
Resident Evil: Apocalypse S SL M PCM/DD ES+ 38.95
Scooby-Doo W SL V 4.5 DD EFS 28.95
Scooby-Doo W DL V 4.5 DD+ EFS 28.95
Sting, The U DL V 3.5 DD+ EFS 28.95
01/23 Alice Cooper at Montreux O PCM/DTS/DD 24.95
Alien vs. Predator F DL M 4 DTMA EFS 39.98
Black Rain P DL V 4.5 DD+/DTS EFS 29.95
Black Rain P DL M 4.5 DTS/DD EFS 29.95
Brokeback Mountain U DC V 4.5 DD+ EFS 34.95
Casanova D DL 34.95
Chicago D DL A 4 PCM/DD ES 34.95
Courage Under Fire F SL M 4 DTMA EFS 39.98
Guardian D DL M 4 PCM/DD EFS 34.95
Hitchhiker's Guide D DL 34.95
Manchurian Candidate 2004 P DL M 4 DTS/DD EFS 29.99
Men of Honor F SL M 4.5 DTMA EFS 39.98
Saw II (Unrated) L SL A 3.5 DTH/DD ES 29.95
Saw III L SL A 4 DTH/DD ES 39.95
Toto in Amsterdam O PCM/DTS/DD 24.95
We Were Soldiers P DL M 4 DTS/DD EFS 29.99
01/30 Beerfest W V DD+ EFS 28.95
Beerfest W V DD EFS 28.95
Discovery Atlas: Brazil O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: Brazil O 24.98
Discovery At.: Australia O 24.98
Discovery At.: Australia O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: China O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: China O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: Italy O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: Italy O 24.98
Flyboys F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Half Baked U DC V DD+ EFS 34.95
Hart's War F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Open Season S SL A PCM/DD EFS 38.95
Wicker Man (2006) W V DTHD/DD+ EFS 28.95
Wicker Man (2006) W V DD EFS 28.95
World's Fastest Indian O
02/06 American Psycho L SL M DTH/DD E 29.95 First Blood L SL M DTH/DD E 29.95
Hollywoodland U DC V DD+ EF 39.98
Reservoir Dogs L M DTH/DD E 29.95
Running with Scissor

Added on February 10, 2007, 9:06 amDate Title St DT VC PQ Audio Subs ICT Price
01/02 Covenant S SL M 5 PCM/DD EFS+ 38.95
01/09 Crank L DL M 4.5 DTH/DD ES 38.95
01/16 Clerks II O 2DL A 4 DTHD/DD+ ES 29.95
Employee of the Month L SL A 3 DTH/DD ES 38.95
Goodfellas W DL V 4 DD+ EFS 28.95
Gridiron Gang S DL M 4 PCM/DD EFS+ 38.95
Lucky Number Slevin O ES
Mummy Returns U DL V 4.5 DD+ EFS 28.95
Poseidon W DC V 4.5 DD+ EFS 34.95
Pulse O DL A 4 DTHD/DD+ ES 29.95
Resident Evil: Apocalypse S SL M PCM/DD ES+ 38.95
Scooby-Doo W SL V 4.5 DD EFS 28.95
Scooby-Doo W DL V 4.5 DD+ EFS 28.95
Sting, The U DL V 3.5 DD+ EFS 28.95
01/23 Alice Cooper at Montreux O PCM/DTS/DD 24.95
Alien vs. Predator F DL M 4 DTMA EFS 39.98
Black Rain P DL V 4.5 DD+/DTS EFS 29.95
Black Rain P DL M 4.5 DTS/DD EFS 29.95
Brokeback Mountain U DC V 4.5 DD+ EFS 34.95
Casanova D DL 34.95
Chicago D DL A 4 PCM/DD ES 34.95
Courage Under Fire F SL M 4 DTMA EFS 39.98
Guardian D DL M 4 PCM/DD EFS 34.95
Hitchhiker's Guide D DL 34.95
Manchurian Candidate 2004 P DL M 4 DTS/DD EFS 29.99
Men of Honor F SL M 4.5 DTMA EFS 39.98
Saw II (Unrated) L SL A 3.5 DTH/DD ES 29.95
Saw III L SL A 4 DTH/DD ES 39.95
Toto in Amsterdam O PCM/DTS/DD 24.95
We Were Soldiers P DL M 4 DTS/DD EFS 29.99
01/30 Beerfest W V DD+ EFS 28.95
Beerfest W V DD EFS 28.95
Discovery Atlas: Brazil O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: Brazil O 24.98
Discovery At.: Australia O 24.98
Discovery At.: Australia O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: China O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: China O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: Italy O 24.98
Discovery Atlas: Italy O 24.98
Flyboys F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Half Baked U DC V DD+ EFS 34.95
Hart's War F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Open Season S SL A PCM/DD EFS 38.95
Wicker Man (2006) W V DTHD/DD+ EFS 28.95
Wicker Man (2006) W V DD EFS 28.95
World's Fastest Indian O
02/06 American Psycho L SL M DTH/DD E 29.95 First Blood L SL M DTH/DD E 29.95
Hollywoodland U DC V DD+ EF 39.98
Reservoir Dogs L M DTH/DD E 29.95
Running with Scissors S DL M PCM/DD 38.95
Tailor of Panama S DL M PCM/DD E 28.95
Young Guns L
02/13 Broken Arrow F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Chain Reaction F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Chronos O 24.99
Departed W CO V DD+ EFS 39.99
Departed W V DD EFS 34.99
Entrapment F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Ladder 49 D DL 34.95
Marine F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Phone Booth F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Planet of the Apes (2001) F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Reign of Fire D 34.95
Sentinel F SL DTMA EFS 39.98
Usual Suspects F SL M DTMA EFS 39.98

Added on February 10, 2007, 9:07 am2007 titles: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....t=766588&page=1
2006 titles: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=665702

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post Feb 10 2007, 03:11 PM

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Those wanting the real deal about deciding which has better PQ/IQ, head over to Mediaplex KLCC. All this talk on forums and relying on people's opinions on which has better PQ/IQ will be rendered moot when you see it with your own eyes. Isnt it better to see it for yourself than relying on infos from people who apparently dont even have HDDVD capable players to draw their judgement from? wink.gif

The proof is in the eye of the beholder, you can pick sides if you want, but picking sides when you dont even have a HD-DVD player to draw your opinions from? That is the epitome of overzealousness. At least some of us have actual hardware to draw opinions upon, or have seens proofs of these next-gen formats running before our eyes to draw our conclusions. Peace! icon_rolleyes.gif

Added on February 10, 2007, 6:48 pm"Bluray cost replication too high" myth BUSTED!

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Blu-ray vs HD DVD replication costs revealed
The blue wars are on!
The war between the Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD formats is still in full swing. Each next generation format camp has heavy hitting supporters from powerful tech companies around the world. Each side of the war also has their fans, supporters, proponents and dedicated enthusiasts. Debates, opinions and arguments are flying all over the net over who will "win" this next generation format war.


The cost issue
I decided to take a look at one of the oldest standing issues in the blue laser format wars, the difference in cost between Blu-ray and HD DVD disc production (also known as replication). The topic of Blu-ray vs HD DVD production cost has long been a highly debated and frequently brought up issue in the format battle. HD DVD supporters are quite often found stating that "Blu-ray costs more" to manufacture than HD DVD. But how much more and why does Blu-ray have an increased cost? The reason most often put forward is that "Blu-ray production requires completely new hardware", while HD DVD media can be produced by modifying existing DVD manufacturing hardware. But is there a significant cost difference? Is Blu-ray replication really that much more expensive than HD DVD replication? I certainly did not believe that Blu-ray was 3 or 4 times more expensive than HD DVD, as claimed by Vivid Entertainment. I spoke with optical disc industry contacts and researched online to find the following Blu-ray vs HD DVD replication costs. The results might surprise you.

Plant #1 replication costs
My confidential industry source revealed that one large replication company is currently charging approximately $1.15 per single layer HD DVD (15GB) and $1.30 per single layer Blu-ray Disc (25GB), assuming a quantity of 25,000. For comparison purposes, a run of 25,000 Dual Layer DVD (DVD9) discs would cost about $0.50 per disc at this same facility. DL HD DVD (30GB) was right inline with SL Blu-ray (25GB) pricing, but an exact figure was not provided. This translates to a cost of approximately $0.077 per GB on HD DVD SL media and $0.052 per GB on Blu-ray SL media.

Plant #2 replication costs (Blu-ray only)
I received quotes on Blu-ray single layer (25GB) replication at plant #2 between $1.35-$1.45 USD per disc on runs of 25K or more. Blu-ray DL (50GB) was quoted between $2.15 - $2.25 per disc on a 25,000 quantity run. Taking the high end on this range, this translates to approximately $0.045 per GB for Blu-ray DL media.

Replication reseller costs (ProActionMedia)
One of the only replication companies that actually lists their pricing publicly is ProActionMedia and we found the following replication costs listed on their website. Their prices were significantly higher than the private, customer-only quotes that we received from the other 2 replication plants. I have included images here that break down the ProActionMedia pricing for Blu-ray and HD DVD.



Sticking with the 25,000 run quantity, we can see that ProActionMedia is quoting $1.59 per disc for Blu-ray SL (25GB), $1.45 per HD DVD SL (15GB) and $1.69 per HD DVD DL (30GB). This translates to approximately $0.064 per GB for Blu-ray SL, $0.097 per GB for HD DVD SL and $0.056 per GB for HD DVD DL.

Cost comparison conclusions
From these figures taken from 3 different replication sources, we can see that Blu-ray media replication does not cost significantly more than HD DVD. In fact, we found that Blu-ray is actually cheaper per GB in many situations! It is also interesting to note that at this point, most HD DVD-ROM movies are DL, while most BD-ROM movies are SL, which would make HD DVD more expensive to replicate in most situations. I did not include fees associated with authoring, setup, AACS protection, packaging and other costs in the quotes above, so keep in mind that the final cost of replicating an HD DVD or Blu-ray disc will definitely be a bit higher than the per disc pricing noted above. Also, according to our sources, the Blu-ray setup fee is only slightly more than the HD DVD setup fee, but it depends on the specific manufacturing plant. Looking at these numbers and pricing information, we can now dispell the myth that Blu-ray replication is significantly more costly than HD DVD.
HD-DVD camp running out of ammo already! rclxms.gif

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