How does that make me non-partial? By defending the PS3 when its credibility is attacked for its made-to-be-used function as a media player? I'll defend them(keyword:plural) appropriately when they are sniped at unfairly. Wii actually gets most of my playtime, than the 360 or the PS3.

I thought you're the one with the witty side here, you of all person should know that the "holy grail" statement was directed to our dear friend Redken here for classifying the PS3 as the supposed "Holy Grail". I certainly didnt use that term. I then replied back to his claims by using back the term he use. Maybe if i put these " " between the word "holy grail", you'd get the gist of things, but that would only debase you as being a more less-wittier version of your current self, and i certainly dont want to do that to you.

I may like one console more over the others, but wouldnt it be stupid that i buy these consoles just to keep up with being neutral, as you claimed? I have better things to do with my dough, thanks. I'd like to hear about your next conspiracy theory though, you seem to be churning them out in bucketloads now.

But guess what? This thread aint about the PS3s, and the 360s. It is about the Blurays and the HD-DVDs. And the thread title says "Definitive HD-DVD/Bluray Sales" now isnt it? Dont want to start thinking you have trouble reading but the one who brought those consoles into the equation here aint me, brother.

P/S: This may come off wrong, but im thankful i had the chance to enjoy all three of them. Dont think i bought the 360s (yes, two of them) out of spite or to put out a neautrality facade, nor with the PS3 and the Wii either. Dont think i had the games for the 360 (majority on the 360 by the way) just because i hate the console now, is it? If you follow that line of thought, i would definitely dont favour the PS3 much. It's the potential, and whats in store for them that kept me keeping them. None of these consoles are holy grails to me, it's the GAMES that are the real Grail here. Being a console fanboy is like losing out on eating out all the wonderful foods the world has to offer, and you choose to only eat fish. Sorry, my taste buds are yearning.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Feb 4 2007, 01:12 AM

Sorry, to be honest i haven't been paying that much attention. Perhaps you have a point there. Oh well, redken: the numbers prove that 360 is the current holy grail by a mile. live with it!

Ignoring the random nonsense, if this was a comparison that did not involve consoles, then why is it in the consoles couch in the first place?

I believe there are more appropriate forum sections for this. Can't remember who the threadstarter is, but clearly he had the consoles in mind, else he would have put it in a different section. (hardware? audiophiles? certainly not consoles couch. in consoles couch only the games matter, according to someone)

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Feb 4 2007, 02:06 AM

kesian DC

Read those in Red .. thankies

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Added on February 4, 2007, 3:30 amand for those who still believe that Blu-ray is not Sony and that its a consortium of CEs? Sorry to inform you that you have been fooled. See below. Its a screenshot of Pioneer's Official Blu-ray Elite Player brochure that can be found here:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/i...5254BDP-HD1.pdf



This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 4 2007, 03:30 AM

Alamak,,,I already ordered few of B_-Ray disks from amazon, as I plan to buy the PS3 this month, especially for movie viewing..but after reading this thread..i guess ...I need to buy the external HD-DVD player for my 360 too.....sghhhhh

huh? why?

bro silencer, no worries my friend... i am here to help you. i will help you to use your new ps3 for a short while then you just grab 360 hd dvd player lah. after you bored with the hd dvd player then we reswap with your new ps3!

* bila nak teh tarik lah?

That why, you need to see the history of why this thread was here. It was in response of all the news about Bluray and HD-DVDs stuff that was posted on this section, because LYN lack any section that caters to videophiles. The closest that LYN has is the Audiophile section, and that too seems awkward since, it would be discussing the multitude of audio codecs that comes with the arrival of these new formats. Which appropriate section on LYN are you talking about here?

If you're done deflecting the issue at hand, can we get back to the topic? I know everywhere i post, people like to turn whatever i post into their own personal quest to bash my head in, but let's not turn this thread into anything personal, shall we? It wasnt about the console in the first place, read the very first thread , there wasnt any reference to consoles at all. Someone else brought consoles into the equation here with his futile attempt to embarass the PS3 , but embarassed himself instead. So, if you have run out of ammo, can we move along here? Deal with it!

G5sim, Bluray is SOny, but it is also a collaboration of those within its consortium. It is just that the convoluted mess that is the BDA that may have not clearly define which entity is within the BDA that may have made Pioneer printing Bluray as being Sony alone there, since they are the sure entity within the BDA.

If Disney is not on of the main proponent in bluray, why are they (BDA) hyping up Disney's announcement at CES about this summer releases of their blockbuster titles?

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Added on February 4, 2007, 12:44 pmA question to G5sim, since you frequent AVSForums too......what's going on in the HD-DVD section of the forum? Seems like they are running around all panicky like headless chickens!

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Feb 4 2007, 12:44 PM

hahahaha...i think im getting both ps3 and external dvd player for 360 this month.. been hearing lots of good thing about HD movies..as my new 42" Sharp G7 will be delivered today, as this model support 1080p resolution for both PS3 and xbox 360 (eventhough it's connected through component input)....

* teh tarik..anytime will do...but preferable weekendlah at DJinn place..how about during the release of Forza ....

This post has been edited by silencer: Feb 5 2007, 02:08 AM

oh yalor .. delivering on monday .. i saw the lcd bulk sale thread



lol .. no .. not yet .. i find there are more rasional people on the HD DVD thread than the Blu-ray thread. The HD DVD boys are very good in rasionalising on everything. The reason the more sales of Blu-ray vs HD DVD as there were not many titles on HD DVD and that almost all of the HD DVD owners have already own their desired titles. There were also less new HD DVD owners as the the gen1 players are mostly sold out and there werent any new players until mid December. No new owners - no movie sales. THe HD DVD threads are much more active than the Blu-ray threads ... (constant trolling from BD fan boys on the HD DVD thread might contribute to that too)

actually on the Videoscan data issue .. there are SERIOUS backpeddling by BD fan boys. all the 2-1 and 3-1 sales of Blu-ray against HD DVD during the week of January where these fanboys boasted about how the PS3 sales had contributed to that .. Now it appears that the the first two weeks of the date did not include the sales on the HD DVD/Standard DVD combo .. . you really should stop by and read some of threads, they are damnnnn funny ..



Because BDA prelaunch hypes have all been muted. They now have only supports. The sale players by intimidating consumers, telling them, "yeah please do go and buy HD DVD! but hold your breath on seeing our thousands of exclusive titles" .. All BD perceived advantages of the higher bit rate, bigger storage, 1080p are now muted. HD DVD players have consistently produced on par PQ if not better , better interactivity, amazing advance audio support, at half the price at lower bit rate, lower storage and in some intance, only at 1080i. Some HD DVD titles have even more features compared to the BD counter part when BD supposedly have a larger storage capasity.

Let me sumarise the advantages of Blu-ray on stages:

Pre HD DVD/Blu-ray launch - Prior to April 2006

BD is an advance alien technology that beats the crap out of the mere earth technology of HD DVD. Blu-ray was more advance is EVERY technological sense. Blu-ray has the support of everybody. and they are fighting against a Japanese CE black sheep - Toshiba. Microsoft was not even with HD DVD at that stage.

The General consensus during this stage was that. HD DVD will die in Toshiba womb. The format wont even develope into the fetus stage.

1080p
50GB
Higher Bit rate
Support
Better PQ/AQ (with all the higher spec - presumably BD will have better PQ/AQ)
More expensive (purchasers can brag that they have money to spend on the players)

Post HD DVD launch - April - June 2006

Early adopters revealed the jaw dropping amazing PQ of HD DVD albeit complaining about the slow start up, loading and other stuffs relating to first gen players.

The general consensus during this stage was - Blu-ray will wipe HD DVD of the face of the world like Iran swear they would do to the Jewish state of Israel, when Blu-ray is launch. Everybody was eagerly waiting for the launch of Blu-ray

1080p
50GB
Higher Bit rate
Support
Better PQ/AQ (with all the higher spec - presumably BD will have better PQ/AQ)
More expensive (purchasers can brag that they have money to spend on the players)

Post Blu-ray launch - From June 2006

The early adopters flew two tiny planes and dropped Fat Man and Little Boy on the Blu-ray camp. Samsung's player were slaughtered. Sony Pictures' early releases were scorned. Their Fifth Element has been renamed The Filth Element. Early adopters jumped on the HD DVD wagon because of that with HD DVD see a jump in their player sales.

(1080p advantage muted because HD DVD 1080i PQ surpassed Blu-ray 1080p)
50GB
(Higher Bit rate advantage muted because HD DVD PQ surpassed Blu-ray)
Support
(Better PQ/AQ - Muted because of the muted advantages mentioned above)
More expensive (purchasers can brag that they have money to spend on the players)

Post Panasonic and 50GB title launch

BD- detonated a grenade on its one camp by releasing Click on 50GB double layer disks. The release did nothing but dispel the myth that 50GB would help in improving PQ/AQ of Blu-ray.

(1080p advantage muted because HD DVD 1080i PQ surpassed Blu-ray 1080p)
(50GB advantage muted)
(Higher Bit rate advantage muted because HD DVD PQ surpassed Blu-ray)
Support
(Better PQ/AQ - Muted because of the muted advantages mentioned above)
(More expensive - no more an advantage - they are kinda rediculed for being you know .. paying 1/2 more for players that perform the same and with less feature

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sumary

The current advantage of Blu-ray = Support. They need to justified the 2x price tag with support. Where we all know that support do not interfere with production cost

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News flash, adult video producer, Vivid production house, the only adult studio that would produce adult titles in Blu-ray (north america), revealed that the authoring cost for Blu-ray is 4x more than HD DVD. The replication cost for Blu-ray is 3x more than HD DVD. Which make many believe that if HD DVD dies early in the format war, BDA would stop the subsidy for Blu-ray movie = meaning end consumers will have to pay more.

This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 5 2007, 04:01 AM

Care to post some links? I'd like to see where the more rational HD-DVDs folks reside in their section, and which thread shows the backpedalling of BD people. Maybe i skimmed through the first pages of HD-DVD, but last i left there, there were whinings about how HD-DVD not pushing out their titles more compared to the influx of numerous BD titles coming now. Also some kind of petition to Warner about the conspiracy theory of them wanting to maintain their neutrality and launching their titles on both HD-DVD and Bluray, but Bluray hitting snags on the development of BDJ and that delayed the HD-DVD title releases as well. Links, please?

that is one of them actually. HD DVD supporters prefer to better HD DVD. They want better players. See the constant complaint about bugs which were recorded and relayed to Toshiba by a HD DVD major retailer and by one of the big boy at Microsoft. The complaint about the fewer title announcement is also to better HD DVD, to let studios know that they are not happy. Lets face it, HD DVD group and supporters do not announce the death of the other format. They do not constantly having party to celebrate HD DVD's funeral. BD supporters should do not same to better Blu-ray and yet, they are defending the weakness of Blu-ray. Basically i think HD DVD supporters are doing more (by ways of critical evaluation of blu-ray) to better Blu-ray then Blu-ray supporters/apologists

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Added on February 5, 2007, 12:11 pmand oh by the way, the gen 2 Toshiba players are selling at $365.88 in the states right now ..

This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 5 2007, 12:11 PM

Links please?

please be specific - link for what? you said you saw hd dvd supporters complaining about the lack of content.

Links for that, especially the threads where the more rational HD-DVD folks are hanging out.

oh go to : http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/index.php? . The rational HD DVD supporters can be found in Blu-ray & HD DVD Areas in the HD DVD Players and HD DVD Softare threads.

Huh? That's where i always go! But when the HD-DVD section is filled with threads about boycotting HD-DVD over the low volume of new releases, anal-retentive HD-DVD supporters not buying titles because they are combo flippers, and planning petitions to Warner to debunk conspiracy theories about late released because of BDJ, is hardly a show of confidence in my books.

if you spend sometimes investigating the starters of such threads, you would realise that majority of these people are not HD DVD supporters. Just read their posting histories. I am amazed these people are not banned yet.

and may i ask what combo 'flippers' are you talking about. The thread was created sooo many times by BD fanboys even after it was pointed out SOOOO MANY times that combo is not flipper because you do not flip the disk. You either watch the Standard or the HD version. Why are you dessiminating FUD as the blu-ray fanboys are doing? A flipper is like a cassete withouthe auto reverse function. So please explain your intension on the flipper statement.

Take a look at the HD-DVD Software section, and see the ridiculousness of some of the HD-DVD buyers (i will write "buyer" here, since you say they might be Bluray supporters in disguise) not wanting to buy any of the projexted new titles because they are on combo discs, ie SD DVD on one side, HD-DVD on the other. Reason being, you need to flip it over to watch both parts of the movie, ie HD-DVD side for the movie, and SD side for the extras. How retarded is that?

And which part of my post before you posted there are FUDs? Those things i posted are the thread titles at the HD-DVD Software forum section, for God sake! If that section of the forum is a mess, im calling it as it is. I wouldnt know about conspiracy theories and such that you pointed out.

its not retarted at all. its logic and common sense. if a consumer doesnt have a HD DVD player, he/she only watches the standard version. No 'flipping' here. A HD DVD owner would NOT watch the standard dvd version especially the hd version and continously watching the standard version therefor the need for flipping. So again no flipping here. Any one with slight intelect would know that. .. soooo there is no instance for the combo disk to be a 'flipper'. Worst comes to worst, we have a weirdo wanting to watch standard version IMMEDIATELY after the HD version, yeah he would have to flip it. The worst applies to the same Blu-ray weirdo. He would need to do more than just flip then disk .. he would have to take about the BD disk, put it in the protective BD case. Take out the standard dvd from its case and insert it into the player. How MORE RETARDED is that?