huh ? no one yet? okay let me start?

what the fvck!! what dvd wars ? Blu-ray is not dvd remember !!

i did. that is why i posted the question. i see so many variation of the charts on several sites. i only belief in Amazon rankings from Amazon sites and DVDEmpire

i disagree with that. If the hardware sales of HD DVD continues to be consistent as it is currently, BD exclusive studios will have to follow where the money is.

One more thing, consumers can let format owners to bully them into deciding on a format by deprieving consumers of contents or they can excert power over this format owners choosing a format which he/she likes without being constantly blackmail into thinking the format of his/her would be dead. Consumers need to realise that they hold the power in the form of check books. Studios will have to follow where the money is at the end of the day. Basically, every single consumer should now that studio support is irrelevant in the format war. Hardware is the KING. Drop the price of PS3, drop the price of HD A2, everybody body is happy.

hmm come to think of it, Studios and CEs should not be in the same boat on this. Lots of pirate disks .. Studios 'lose' money. CEs on the other hand, see sales jump of players ..

reality check .. Toshiba alone sold more standalone players than all of these "Hitachi, Ltd.; LG Electronics Inc.; Mitsubishi Electric Corporation; Panasonic (Matsushita Electric); Pioneer Corporation; Royal Philips Electronics; Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.; Sharp Corporation; Sony Corporation; TDK Corporation; Thomson" CEs COMBINED. If the current trend continues its just a matter of time before before HD DVD overall hardware sales overtake blu-ray hardware sales inclusive of the PS3 sales. We are already seeing signs that Sony is having problem selling remaining 1/2mil PS3 shipped on north america. PS3 in the console's stronghold, Japan is having the same problem. Retailers are already slashing the price of the subsidised PS3 by 20%. There are FIVE exclusive studios behind Blu-ray yet, HD DVD movie titles are still more in the market. HD DVD plans bring to market 300 titles this year. and by all mean, that number is MORE than sufficient to HD DVD momentum going. How many people buy 300 dvds a year? How many people have more than 300 dvds in their life time collection?

huh? i thought its the whole purpose of you creating this thread .. No?

thinly veiled pricinples? principles are principles its people with principles who touch the world and revolutionise human race

Toshiba HD-XA1 HD DVD Player beats Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Pioneer Blu-ray players to Win Sound & Vision Product of the Year Award

http://www.dvdrecorderworld.com/news/433

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Added on January 28, 2007, 4:37 amhttp://www.ropeofsilicon.com/news.php?id=5179


Not that 300 titles for a year isnt enough. Regular consumers do not even own 300 DVDs after 10 years of collection .. so the talks of Blu-ray have more exclusive studios than HD DVD .. Mute!!

Universal to release ATLEAST 100 Exclusive HD DVDs in 2007
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http://www.businessofcinema.com/?file=story&id=2049

Bringing further heat to the burgeoning HD DVD format, Universal Studios Home Entertainment will release more than 100 new film and television titles in 2007.

Perennial favorites such as Scarface and classics like 40-Year-Old Virgin, Battlestar Galactica S1 and Oscar-winning Brokeback Mountain will be joined by dozens of new titles released day and date with the DVD.

Since the format's inception in April 2006, Universal Studios Home Entertainment has released 60 titles on HD DVD, and currently boasts four of the top 10 best-selling HD DVDs year-to-date, including Casino, Serenity, Fearless and Miami Vice.

Tapping into the studio's vast library, the 2007 slate kicked off on 18 January with the release of The Mummy Returns, followed by Brokeback Mountain, starring Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal on 23 January, 2007. Following shortly thereafter will be such day-and-date new releases as Golden Globe-nominee Hollywoodland on 6 February. More than 90 per cent of the planned 2007 Universal titles will be released as combo discs - which feature an HD DVD version and a standard DVD version of the movie on the same disc.

"With more than two million HD DVD players expected in the market in North America by the end of 2007, Universal Studios Home Entertainment is committed to expanding its portfolio of compelling HD DVD content and further igniting consumer demand. By releasing most of our titles as combo discs we effectively satisfy consumers' multi-viewing habits, providing them with the most cost-effective option to watch their favorite films in either their DVD or HD DVD players," said Universal Studios Home Entertainment president Craig Kornblau.

Among the additional new titles to be released in 2007 are the Oscar-nominated Children of Men, The Good Shepherd, and Smokin' Aces. Also on deck for release this year are such highly anticipated catalog favorites as Bruce Almighty; The Bourne Identity; Meet The Fockers; American Pie; Inside Man; Pride & Prejudice; The Big Lebowski; Liar Liar; Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels; Brazil; Erin Brockovich; Shaun of the Dead; Dawn of the Dead; Slap Shot; and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

This post has been edited by g5sim: Jan 28 2007, 05:11 AM

i am giving him the credit lah .. he started the thread so that people can fight in it .. so i entertain him lah

I know where our HD Library is

i know you will like them

fire rock lah you

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Added on February 2, 2007, 4:29 amon behalf of stringfellow: well, the so called researcher's name is Bottoms. What else can I say !


Researcher Sees Blu-ray Victory


http://homemediaretailing.com/news/html/br...rticle_id=10208

Understanding & Solutions is keeping a close watch on the launches of both high-definition formats, HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc. While it's a little early to call a winner, Blu-ray has the strongest possibility to dominate the market quickly, thanks mostly to the PlayStation 3, according to the company. Home Media Magazine talked to co-founder Jim Bottoms about what his firm sees for the future of the high-definition formats.

HM: What kind of hardware adoption should we expect to see as the year progresses, now that there are several different hardware options for both formats, including the PS3?

Bottoms: Top line, we reckon something like a million players were shipped through into consumers' homes in 2006, including gaming formats. Of that 1 million, about 750,000 were PS3. It's been our contention all along that both formats would almost be neck and neck, with Blu-ray having stronger industry support on the hardware side and content side and HD DVD getting out first and having lower price points. Each group has got its advantages, but what really changes the picture is PS3. It is poised to be in virtually 25 million to 35 million homes in the next two to three years.

HM: So it could be an all Blu-ray high-def market in just a couple of years?

Bottoms: I would be absolutely amazed if the format war goes on much further than mid-2008. If you look at what happened in 2006, 80% of what has sold through is Blu-ray. In 2007, [Blu-ray] will be at least that percentage again, but it won't be a million players we're talking about. We're probably looking at something like 8 million units selling through this year across all product types and formats, so by the end of 2007, moving into 2008, it's possible that 5% or 6% of U.S. homes will be owning a high-definition playback device. And about 80% of those devices will be Blu-ray.

HM: Will Sony be able to keep up the manufacturing to hit that 25 million to 35 million PS3 target over the next couple of years?

Bottoms: Well, that's the question, isn't it? But if you look at PS2 and [the original PlayStation], that's the kind of volume those systems saw.

HM: The higher price of the PS3 compared to those previous players doesn't seem to be a stumbling block. Is that because it seems like a value to get the Blu-ray capability as well as the gaming system?

Bottoms: The thing is, at this early stage, we are selling to the enthusiast. The people who are driving high-definition, be it on players or PS3, are people who have been waiting for years, who have spent $5,000 or $6,000 bucks on a TV. It almost doesn't matter. It will matter in two or three years as it moves into a mass-market product. With standard-definition DVD, players were available for about two years before the PS2. The early adopter already had adopted their video player. Then along comes a gaming player that was also a video console, but it was a more expensive entry point. There was a penalty for it. This time around effectively PS3 is the first Blu-ray player available, and by the way, it comes in at $600, and -when to buy a Blu-ray video-only player was $1,000 or $800 - it actually became for someone who wants a Blu-ray player a very compelling purchase. And, by all accounts, PS3 is a much better Blu-ray player than the PS2 was a DVD player.

HM: Are software buy rates for Blu-ray movies bearing out the theory that people would see the PS3 as more than just a gaming device?

Bottoms: More than 70% of people buying a PS3 have a strong interest in acquiring movies for it. Until the PS3 was launched, software sales were probably three to one in HD DVD's favor, but once the PS3 came out, the pendulum swung dramatically. Volume per title grew something like 700%. By the end of the year, most of the top selling high-definition titles will be Blu-ray discs.

HM: Do you think high definition will reach mass market in two to three years, and do you mean that as in pricing or as in the kind of consumers who are buying high-def hardware and software?

Bottoms: Both. We believe that you will see Blu-ray players at around $400 by the end of this year and HD DVD about $300. In the United States, it has to be less than $200 for mass appeal and less than $100 for an impulse purchase, but that will happen quickly. Going into [2008], I will sit and eat one of our reports if we haven't seen an HD DVD player for less than $200. Crudely, it costs about $100 more to make, at volume, a high-definition player than it does to make a standard definition player. Of course, those numbers are at volume and [the electronics companies] are not at that manufacturing volume yet.

HM: Does that mean that both formats could possibly exist simultaneously for some years to come if HD DVD companies dig in their heels?

Bottoms: We believe by the end of the year, we will see one format start to dominate. At the moment all the cards are stacked in favor of Blu-ray coming out on top. In reality, the only companies holding on to HD DVD are Toshiba and Universal and, yes, it will be a difficult pill for them to swallow to switch to Blu-ray. But it was a difficult pill for Sony to swallow when they had to start making VHS machines [after Betamax failed]. It will probably be easier for Universal because they don't have any real financial incentive to keep HD DVD going. Toshiba has got a strong vested interest in prolonging the life of the DVD format, and that's what HD DVD is all about. It's basically extending the DVD format as long as you can take it.


This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 2 2007, 04:29 AM

yeah matrix .. coming soon to HD DVD *only* soon .. loving Warner !! Why? Blu-ray's $1000 interativity debacle ... no interactivity, no Matrix for Blu-ray .. atleast not yet

LMAO .. you are assuming studio exclusivity is here to stay ... wait till the Chinese beat the Japanese CE kings in HD DVD players development and flood the US market with $199 and $299 players .. then tell me about studio exclusivity.

Disney loves HDi. Warner france has already put the month and specs for Matrix, 1-3 and all the Harry Porter films. Guess what - all the titles are with HDi - In Movie Experience feature. The only reason these titles do not have the same release date for Blu-ray is because of that - IME feature. In fact warner only gave the date for HD DVD of ALL their planned releases with IME feature. The rest of the titles have the same release date for both HD DVD and Blu-ray. Twice as expensive but have the same level of interactivity as standard DVDs - how embarassing ..

anyhow, i prefer FunTastic4 then Spidey. But HD DVD players unconvert VERY near to some Blu-ray PQ anyway. oh maybe PS3 price will drop further in the coming months to like $199. I will definitely get one to watch FunTastic4, XMen, and few other fun FOX movies .... oh maybe not .. WHY .. studio exclusivity my bottom .. see below



wait isnt Underworld a Sony Picture Entertainment movie?

Video: 2.35:1 1080p High Definition
Audio: Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 English
Subtitles: English, Spanish Castellano

wait there is more, the extra feature are even more then the Blu-ray counterpart .. LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

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Added on February 3, 2007, 5:50 amOfficial site of Underworld at Sony Pictures ..

http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/cata...3396153813.html

exclusivity .. oh HD DVDs are region free...

Features Blu-ray = 8, HD DVD = 16. Isnt Blu-ray can fit 50GB vs HD DVD's 30GB only. Again how embarassing.

Blu-ray features:

1. Director's Commentary
2. Music Video: "Her Portrait in Black" by Atreyu
3. Original Featurette: Bloodlines: From Script To Screen
4. Original Featurette: Building a Saga
5. Original Featurette: Making Monsters Roar
6. Original Featurette: Music and Mayhem
7. Original Featurette: The Hybrid Theory
8. Original Featurette: The War Rages On

HD DVD features:

1. Audio Commentary with director Len Wiseman
2. Image Gallery
3. Biographies/Filmographies
4. Photo Gallery
5. Trailer
6. TV Spots
7. Featurette (6 min)
8. "Imágenes de rodaje" (15 min)
9. Interviews (12 min)
10. Making of (13 min)
11. Making of: Special Effects (13 min)
12. Making of: Making Monsters Roar (12 min)
13. Making of: "Especialistas" (10 min)
14. Making of: Production Design (13 min)
15. Making of: Music and Sound (12 min)
16. Unspecified Video Clip (4 min)

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Dont hate me please .. thank you


This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 3 2007, 05:50 AM

i was merely trying to proof that BD strongest marketing point - studio exclusivity is nothing but ******* ... We might even see Disney titles showing up in Europe. By the way - for your information, anyone from USA can purchase titles from Europe, Australia, Japan, India even africa cuxz unlike Blu-ray - HD DVD is not region coded.

"once" Java 1.1 .. i love the use of future tense in BD when the products are already in the market. Consumers pay $1,000 so that they can waste half a year to get BDA to ready Java in June 2007. When the HD DVD counter paid $500 and enjoy amazing interactivity from day one of purchase. Great! .. long live Blu-ray.

on the 2-1 sales of Blu-ray, you have checked the news havent you. Try reading the videoscan data instead reading third hand information interpreted by god knows who. But no worries, like you, i was misleaded by BDA web propaganda machines. below are are better representations of the Videoscan data. It represent the total sales of HD DVD vs Blu-ray till 7th, 14th and 21th Jan 2007. As you can see clearly, where is Blu-ray outselling HD DVD 2-1? The information you is merely the % of weekly sales of Blu-ray vs HD DVD titles in which 100% can be representing ONLY 100, 1,000, 5,000 or 10,000 total disk sales. Now every Blu-ray fan boys should be worry. With <>700,000 Blu-ray players sold vs HD DVD's mere 200,000 figure, HD DVD's total disk sale is STILL MORE than Blu-ray.

Oh one more thing, rumour has it , the 28th Jan 2007 weekly sales data will show HD DVD leading Blu-ray. The Blu-ray fan boys at AVS whom earlier embracing the Videoscan data are already backtracking from taking the Videoscan data whole heartedly .. hell that was funny

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Added on February 3, 2007, 1:42 pmoh one more thing, if you check the graph closely, HD DVD is actually distancing itself from Blu--ray in 21 jan as compared to the 7th Jan figure. 7th Jan (54%-46%=8%) but in 21th (55%-45%=10%). And the fanboys are sooo excited about the figure for ?

Don't hate me because i present rasional facts... please ! I love you all !

This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 3 2007, 01:42 PM

Read those in Red .. thankies

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Added on February 4, 2007, 3:30 amand for those who still believe that Blu-ray is not Sony and that its a consortium of CEs? Sorry to inform you that you have been fooled. See below. Its a screenshot of Pioneer's Official Blu-ray Elite Player brochure that can be found here:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/i...5254BDP-HD1.pdf



This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 4 2007, 03:30 AM

huh? why?

oh yalor .. delivering on monday .. i saw the lcd bulk sale thread



lol .. no .. not yet .. i find there are more rasional people on the HD DVD thread than the Blu-ray thread. The HD DVD boys are very good in rasionalising on everything. The reason the more sales of Blu-ray vs HD DVD as there were not many titles on HD DVD and that almost all of the HD DVD owners have already own their desired titles. There were also less new HD DVD owners as the the gen1 players are mostly sold out and there werent any new players until mid December. No new owners - no movie sales. THe HD DVD threads are much more active than the Blu-ray threads ... (constant trolling from BD fan boys on the HD DVD thread might contribute to that too)

actually on the Videoscan data issue .. there are SERIOUS backpeddling by BD fan boys. all the 2-1 and 3-1 sales of Blu-ray against HD DVD during the week of January where these fanboys boasted about how the PS3 sales had contributed to that .. Now it appears that the the first two weeks of the date did not include the sales on the HD DVD/Standard DVD combo .. . you really should stop by and read some of threads, they are damnnnn funny ..



Because BDA prelaunch hypes have all been muted. They now have only supports. The sale players by intimidating consumers, telling them, "yeah please do go and buy HD DVD! but hold your breath on seeing our thousands of exclusive titles" .. All BD perceived advantages of the higher bit rate, bigger storage, 1080p are now muted. HD DVD players have consistently produced on par PQ if not better , better interactivity, amazing advance audio support, at half the price at lower bit rate, lower storage and in some intance, only at 1080i. Some HD DVD titles have even more features compared to the BD counter part when BD supposedly have a larger storage capasity.

Let me sumarise the advantages of Blu-ray on stages:

Pre HD DVD/Blu-ray launch - Prior to April 2006

BD is an advance alien technology that beats the crap out of the mere earth technology of HD DVD. Blu-ray was more advance is EVERY technological sense. Blu-ray has the support of everybody. and they are fighting against a Japanese CE black sheep - Toshiba. Microsoft was not even with HD DVD at that stage.

The General consensus during this stage was that. HD DVD will die in Toshiba womb. The format wont even develope into the fetus stage.

1080p
50GB
Higher Bit rate
Support
Better PQ/AQ (with all the higher spec - presumably BD will have better PQ/AQ)
More expensive (purchasers can brag that they have money to spend on the players)

Post HD DVD launch - April - June 2006

Early adopters revealed the jaw dropping amazing PQ of HD DVD albeit complaining about the slow start up, loading and other stuffs relating to first gen players.

The general consensus during this stage was - Blu-ray will wipe HD DVD of the face of the world like Iran swear they would do to the Jewish state of Israel, when Blu-ray is launch. Everybody was eagerly waiting for the launch of Blu-ray

1080p
50GB
Higher Bit rate
Support
Better PQ/AQ (with all the higher spec - presumably BD will have better PQ/AQ)
More expensive (purchasers can brag that they have money to spend on the players)

Post Blu-ray launch - From June 2006

The early adopters flew two tiny planes and dropped Fat Man and Little Boy on the Blu-ray camp. Samsung's player were slaughtered. Sony Pictures' early releases were scorned. Their Fifth Element has been renamed The Filth Element. Early adopters jumped on the HD DVD wagon because of that with HD DVD see a jump in their player sales.

(1080p advantage muted because HD DVD 1080i PQ surpassed Blu-ray 1080p)
50GB
(Higher Bit rate advantage muted because HD DVD PQ surpassed Blu-ray)
Support
(Better PQ/AQ - Muted because of the muted advantages mentioned above)
More expensive (purchasers can brag that they have money to spend on the players)

Post Panasonic and 50GB title launch

BD- detonated a grenade on its one camp by releasing Click on 50GB double layer disks. The release did nothing but dispel the myth that 50GB would help in improving PQ/AQ of Blu-ray.

(1080p advantage muted because HD DVD 1080i PQ surpassed Blu-ray 1080p)
(50GB advantage muted)
(Higher Bit rate advantage muted because HD DVD PQ surpassed Blu-ray)
Support
(Better PQ/AQ - Muted because of the muted advantages mentioned above)
(More expensive - no more an advantage - they are kinda rediculed for being you know .. paying 1/2 more for players that perform the same and with less feature

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sumary

The current advantage of Blu-ray = Support. They need to justified the 2x price tag with support. Where we all know that support do not interfere with production cost

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News flash, adult video producer, Vivid production house, the only adult studio that would produce adult titles in Blu-ray (north america), revealed that the authoring cost for Blu-ray is 4x more than HD DVD. The replication cost for Blu-ray is 3x more than HD DVD. Which make many believe that if HD DVD dies early in the format war, BDA would stop the subsidy for Blu-ray movie = meaning end consumers will have to pay more.

This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 5 2007, 04:01 AM

that is one of them actually. HD DVD supporters prefer to better HD DVD. They want better players. See the constant complaint about bugs which were recorded and relayed to Toshiba by a HD DVD major retailer and by one of the big boy at Microsoft. The complaint about the fewer title announcement is also to better HD DVD, to let studios know that they are not happy. Lets face it, HD DVD group and supporters do not announce the death of the other format. They do not constantly having party to celebrate HD DVD's funeral. BD supporters should do not same to better Blu-ray and yet, they are defending the weakness of Blu-ray. Basically i think HD DVD supporters are doing more (by ways of critical evaluation of blu-ray) to better Blu-ray then Blu-ray supporters/apologists

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Added on February 5, 2007, 12:11 pmand oh by the way, the gen 2 Toshiba players are selling at $365.88 in the states right now ..

This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 5 2007, 12:11 PM

please be specific - link for what? you said you saw hd dvd supporters complaining about the lack of content.

oh go to : http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/index.php? . The rational HD DVD supporters can be found in Blu-ray & HD DVD Areas in the HD DVD Players and HD DVD Softare threads.