Nah I think something is in store for us.

Probably how Arnold foresaw what Ford would do, and hid himself (figuratively) among the codes and programming of the hosts. It will be interesting to see Ford and Arnold try to one up another, an endless game of wit

And oh, the encounter between Hale and MiB further strengthened the theory that he is William

i think this is probably it.

Ford view Host as robots and tools, whereas Arnold wanted to create consciousness or make the AI conscious.

My theory is Arnold uploaded himself in the codes of his Hosts, particularly in Dolores and have Dolores killed him in the park 30 years ago when they were testing out the Hosts. in the current time, Arnold's codes is pulling strings and doing things against Ford and Ford is trying to gain back control.

MiB = William is more or less confirmed.

Poor bernard

Come to think of it , if applied in our real world..

Would you rather choose to have Ford or Arnold idea?

For me I will vote for Ford's idea not to have consciousness for the AI.. Even though its quite heartbreaking looking at how they treat the AI and human acted as god in their world, imagine the AI overtook human and the AI are immortals...

Its like the analogy of God and the Devil.
Ford is like God, who keeps you protected in his Garden of Eden, ignorant to the everything else.

While the Devil is whispering in your head to eat the fruit of knowledge and gain consciousness

Ford treats humanity the same way.
What is AI but a mind with a narrative?

Its over now. What an ending especially for Maive. Although i did not really like her development and her storyline. But when it came about that it was all scripted as well, bom! Nicely done.

All along Ford was playing along to Arnold's idea. And Arnold died because he doesn't want his sins to burden him. For me Arnold took the easy way out.

Ford is the real hero in this. He stuck with Arnold's theory till the end, which is allowing Dolores to gain consciousness. And he gave what MiB wanted as well, the fight from the hosts. He figured that he will die either way with the hosts uprising or to old age waiting for them to gain consciousness.

MiB will be pivotal in the next season(if there was one). It will be the handful of host that gained a small form of consciousness led by the conscious Dolores vs the Guests in the park.

My take is the show align back to the movie theme.
Arnold just lost himself trying to substitute Dolores with his affixation to fill the void in his life. Think he created a pandora box that he won't be able to contain.
Ford is just honoring the memory of Arnold by liberating the host which will be the backbone for seasons to come, I think! On a serious note, doubt Anthony Hopkins will be able to stick through a recurring role in all the seasons to come. He might guest star here and there a bit, I suppose.
So will Bernard the peacemaker between the divide or finishing what Arnold has started by fixing or evolving the host for better or worse.
With all the Alice in the Wonderland references, suppose it's about Dolores coming to terms that she no longer in a rabbit hole.
Do they love Radiohead???
"Exit Music" for Ford's speech moment.

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welp, see you guys in Park 2 then, god damn what a show this has been

Arnold let himself be killed to sabotage the park, so it would never be open to the public. His death somewhat woke Ford up, and corrected his own mistakes. MiB was played along by Ford, wreaking havoc for 35 years in the park to correct that mistake.
Ford did not always agree with Arnold. Arnold wanted to recreate his dead son. Ford wanted the same thing but for purposes yet to be revealed. If you think he's dead, look again closely.

nice season finale...
gotta rewatch all whole season again to catch the little details after you knew what's going on, it's another experience

So, did the host really gain consciousness? or it's just really scripted codes that makes them think they have gain consciousness?

Everything was scripted, Ford has scripted the whole play for 30 years, including the MiB and the board and the rest of the staffs
Live Maive, she think she's gain control, yet it was scripted all along!
And Dolores, it could the same as well
Resurrection of Bernard was under his control as well, hence he wasn't surprised when Bernard show up again.

And lastly, I think that wasn't the real Ford giving the final speech, don't think he'll take the easy way out like his old friend Arnold, remember he was building another host in his secret lab? We never saw who is that host.
My theory is he is creating himself, to put up a final show for the board to see, thinking he's dead, but he's still hiding in the secret lab orchestrating the new "play"

Next season, oriental park? SW = Shogun World?

IMO if they revive Ford that will betray the essence of all the set-up. A cheap ploy but not saying it won't happen. I would rather they stick to what entails. IMO Ford molded Bernald into a copy of Arnold to find a solution to the host. Ford recreated his childhood memory while Arnold wanted to substitute Dolores with Charlie. Both are equally indulging a delusional fantasy of their own shortcomings. Furthermore transferring consciousness into a host was not properly set-up. What was established is the host need to relive memories and experiences to trigger their self-awareness.
If they are to reference the movie storyline...ancient Rome and medieval Europe were part of the world the movie took place. Jonathan Nolan shot down the crossover of worlds but you never know or just a matter of time that will happen.

There's quite a bit of I don't understand. Here are a few questions I have lingering in my head :

1. Is the "park" a physical place where guests explore with their own two feet or is it a digital space such as that in the Matrix.

2. If the park is indeed a physical place, why can't bullets(which are very real, evident by how they can break through wood,concrete etc) affect the guests?

3. Why didn't the two just decrease the overall intelligence of Maeve to a level where she simply lacks the mental capacity to be any threat to both the Felix Asian dude and his Caucasian friend?

4. If the hosts are programmed within their core code to be unable to pose any harm to guests, then how do they constrain and hurt guests? (such as the case of Logan, where he was tortured a bit).

This post has been edited by Flaxnot: Dec 6 2016, 12:25 PM

1. its a physical park, where you dress up and enter. Hosts inside cannot kill you, but if you die via environment like fall off a cliff etc, u stay dead.

2. probably for realism. the bullet still can hurt humans, but they dont kill them.

3. Maeve's stats were altered even before the 2 started to change her. She is new narrative from Ford, probably.

4. Hosts can punch and beat Guests, following their narratives to keep the realism. but they will break out of character to save Humans if something wrong occur or stop when they go overboard.

Season finale and great pick on Radiohead's exit music on Ford's final speech

This post has been edited by vivienne85: Dec 6 2016, 08:29 PM

Ford wanted to shut down the security and monitoring department to allow the Hosts to be able to kill humans inside the park, hence the Maeve subplot where she wreck havoc within the building and they had to go into lockdown mode

How so? I mean, AI was always Arnold's dream. What does Ford really want, it's never been revealed I feel. I don't think he's done yet, even with Dolores achieving consciousness. What purpose would him dying serve

The motivation for Arnold to create sentient host is replacing the grieve that he lost his son. Just so he made them, doesn't mean he knows what to do with them. Ford to a degree not an architect but more of an administrator personality. Ford's death basically let the gloves off on the host. So the 2nd season forward think about how the host deal with their new awakening. It's easy to generalize it as host vs guest but I believe the show direction gonna be more nuanced than just that. We only caught a brief glimpse of Ford's new narrative so more should come to light on what he has planned. Personally I don't believe Ford is that comic book supervillain type.
The latest HBO aftershow may shed a little bit more light on the deeper meaning of the show.

S1 about Control
S2 will be about Chaos

I think William/MiB should survive the massacre, and try to contain the hosts that ran amok in his park

and those old hosts in the cold storage, wonder where they went?
are they turned into the savages at the massacre?