Mar 23 2017, 08:05 PM
QUOTE(permintcuzzi @ Mar 23 2017, 07:29 PM)
Guys, maybe I butthurt, but feel free to look at the transcript in spoiler. In essence, the relationship between the seller (Joe) and I turned sour and he blocked me at the end of the conversation. We were first negotiating about this watch deal. Then the whole thing went south.
Main question:
Considering Singapore is so small, is it wrong to meetup with the seller of the watch to check a unwarrantied watch's condition before I buy?
I like to chat about watches, is it wrong to share the beauty, solicit a response on the beauty of the watch?
Am I being annoying in the conversation by asking to meet up for purpose of checking the condition of the watch?
Is it morally wrong to have the contact of the successful buyer so that I can further purchase from him?
I'm asking all these to avoid bad deals in the future. Feel free to flame me. Maybe it's me that I need to change. Thanks /k.
[11:42 PM, 1/19/2017] Joe: Hi Arnold ... Responding to your wus re seiko black urushi chrono... I am in Singapore so u kno... Your number isn't right...
[12:07 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Hi mate. I'm in Singapore too.
[12:07 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Staying in hougang
[12:08 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Let me know if you're convenient to meet this Saturday.
[12:08 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: I'm heading back to Malaysia on Sunday, will be back again after cny
[12:09 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Oh ok... Got it.. Saturday in town ok for u? Cash and carry...
[12:11 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Tell you what, I'll view the watch and i'll decide to purchase over cny.
[12:11 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Can't commit now as i haven't seen the watch in person
[12:17 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: I c... It would be better for us to meet when you are ready to deal on e spot.. If the deal doesn't go through due to condition, I understand.. I apologize I don't do viewing then considering ...
Not to be difficult...
[12:19 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: to make the arrangement smoother. I can meet nearer to your location as a compromise.
[12:20 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: I would prefer to ask all questions and view it on the spot. Taking notes then make sure i don't make an impulse purchase decision
[12:21 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: By delaying the purchase. I hope you understand
[12:24 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: I completely understand mate... But your due diligence shouldn't be quite on me... Go to Tong Xia, they may still have a piece... See and view the watch in person.... See if u like it ... Wear it... Determine then if my price is ok for u ... Then come just to see if it's in the mint condition that I stand by...
[12:24 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: And then deal on e spot
[12:25 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: What u would like is a shop/boutique service I'm afraid I can't provide ...
[12:25 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Again ... Sorry mate... Reali not trying to be an a hole here
[12:25 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: OK. Then we'll limit to WhatsApp conversation.
[12:26 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: If u have qns... Feel free ... No prob
[12:27 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Maybe if you don't mind you can share me your purchase experience with Japanese website. And the reason for sale.
[12:30 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: I love the watch... Just don't seem quite like I could bear to wear it... I tried trust me... Put it on an all.... It's a beautiful watch in photos and even more so in person... It came. All condition was good.
Re shipping I was charged a +7% cuz the japs honor the price tag and do not claim lower.. So u paid full and then some...
Go to yahoo auctions where I got it from... Check out the price and all... I got it steep ..
Personally just couldn't wear it...
[12:36 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Why it doesn't fit you? It designed to be worn on Asian wrists. Will you be able to scan a copy of the tax invoice so that i can take a look at the details? Sure you can black out some of the more sensitive details.
[12:37 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: I assume you bought it new. What is the condition now?
[12:37 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: How much wrist time you had it on?
[12:41 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Worn it around the house for trying... That's it.. Like new in box is me being conservative... You can check the leather band if and when u decide u can deal. It's bought new and still is new.
And it's not so much fit physically .. More like a personal mental barrier ... It's too dear to wear daily for me... Some can... Not I ... And so it goes ...
[12:42 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Shipping where the courier came and made me pay for gst et al indicated on the box... That's all gone ...
[12:43 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Payment I made online I can trace for sure .... But I don't think I'll want to or need to show... If buyer feels it's a price he's not willing to pay... Then I'd say don't buy..
[12:48 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: No paperwork on the purchase to be provided? When was this watched purchased? Send me a pic at your free time. With good lighting of course. Ttyt, it's getting late. How should i address you.
[12:54 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Call me Joe.
In any case Arnold. How I do this is simple ....
What u see in the pics is what you get. In person u just need to verify condition is as described and to your satisfaction. If it's not, we don't deal no prob.
If u don't feel comfortable just cuz I don't pull out my online sales logistics for u, or even go so far as to find the product "suspect", then let's not deal. I'm perfectly ok..
[12:54 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: U rest well and have a good cny... Give it some thought and get back to me... Or don't ... It's fine either way mate ... I understand this is u being cautious
[12:55 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: But sometimes some deals in a certain way is not worth the hassle for me... No offense to u ...
[1:02 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Paperwork is important for warranty claims if there are any manufacturer defects. Not having it becomes a problem.
[1:22 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Warranty and proof of purchase are 2 diff things... And u seem to want the latter which I won't provide... Also re warrant, it was not sent to me. But the confusing conversation I have with the jap seller was that if anything happens I send it back to him...
So I would say... If u bought it from me... And some shit happens in the coming year... I will say I will cover mechanical defects.. But not cosmetic...
Again, if this is uncomfortable for u ... U kno what I'd say...
Anyway knowing where u r coming from I urge maybe you can try and set out to see if there are shops selling... They will definitely put your mind at ease...
[9:24 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Since there are no paperwork, i assume you are prepared to give out personal warranty as a service. It's not the most ideal method, but will you be giving out your full personal details in exchange?
[9:25 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Now that i have a better understanding of your package. What is your offer price as a seller?
[4:34 PM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Hi mate... U mean like a I c front and back? I'll give u details to put your mind at ease for sure... But maybe not ic front and back..
Since we deal in Sg... No shipping price. Flat 3650 sgd.
Think about it first... Can get back to me... Thanks
[5:20 PM, 1/20/2017] Me: Please send me pictures of the watch over the weekend. That'll be very helpful thanks. Please make sure that the environment is well lit. Closeups are appreciated.
[5:20 PM, 1/20/2017] Me: Do take a picture of the whole package that is going to be part of the deal, i.e. boxes etc
[5:23 PM, 1/20/2017] Me: If we can meet up tomorrow, we would be able to skip all these hassle and jump straight to the conclusion.
[5:25 PM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Conclusion is when u can decide and pay on the spot... That would be skipping the hassle ... Let's meet up when u r ready... Thanks
[5:28 PM, 1/20/2017] Me: Do you mind sharing some of your more personal information such as facebook account? Of course these are unrelated to the sale itself. Just trying to get comfortable with the dealing.
[5:32 PM, 1/20/2017] Me: Normally I wouldn't want all these details, since it's a sale without much paperwork and relying on your personal warranty. I guess these information then becomes necessary.
[3:53 AM, 1/21/2017] Joe: Sure... Let me know when u r back...
[9:44 AM, 3/15/2017] Me: Hi
[9:45 AM, 3/15/2017] Me: Your urushi chrono is sold?
[11:18 AM, 3/15/2017] Joe: Nope. Just kept.
[11:24 AM, 3/15/2017] Me: Not selling anymore?
[11:24 AM, 3/15/2017] Joe: Not actively selling..
[11:51 AM, 3/15/2017] Me: Is it because it's hard to sell?
[12:11 PM, 3/15/2017] Joe: Hah.. It's cuz I'm not in need of money.. I put it up every now and then..
[12:11 PM, 3/15/2017] Joe: When I have e time to ..
[5:56 PM, 3/15/2017] Me: Has the initial hype of purchasing this urushi dial gotten over or just starting to intensify even more?
[6:28 PM, 3/15/2017] Joe: It is whatever u think it is man... Good luck with your purchases...
[9:32 PM, 3/15/2017] Me: Are your prices staying?
[12:56 AM, 3/16/2017] Joe: Let me know when u r concrete.. Status quo remains
[8:53 PM, 3/22/2017] Me: I saw the urushi sibling
[8:53 PM, 3/22/2017] Me: At KL
[8:54 PM, 3/22/2017] Me: Very nice dial indeed.
[9:10 PM, 3/22/2017] Joe: No contest on the dial... But observe the diff between the chrono and its siblings... The "silver powdered" numbers...
[10:18 PM, 3/22/2017] Me: Yes... Good point... Still looking for a chrono since D-Day...
[12:49 AM, 3/23/2017] Joe: You kno I've never tried once to hard sell u... I always leave it to u to decide... Anyway I just tot I'd inform u I'm nearing a deal to have the watch sold... Probably should happen by end of this week.. Giving U a heads up... And if u interested, I'd still give it to U if u pay before him...
[9:15 AM, 3/23/2017] Me: Congratulations on your sale. What the price you guys agreed on?
[11:02 AM, 3/23/2017] Joe: $3600... Pleasantly surprised He actually came over to deal just. Apparently solid and a Steady buyer... The kind sellers appreciate... Sad it has to go... Hey good luck with your search aight...
[11:05 AM, 3/23/2017] Me: Can I have his contact? Just wanna ask if he's selling it again. Then I might have a chance.
[11:08 AM, 3/23/2017] Joe: Good lord... Sorry mate.. No offense but I wouldn't recommend a "buyer" like u to him... Or to anyone for that matter...
[1:10 PM, 3/23/2017] Me: I have made up my mind. If you can, please share. Thanks.
[1:18 PM, 3/23/2017] Joe: Nah... You will burn bridges at my expense... All I can say is all e best... Don't have to text me for anything anymore aight... U can find your desired watch from another blessed seller... Watch out for Basel 2017 new seiko releases..
[1:39 PM, 3/23/2017] Me: You are a flipper. I know. And you're very elusive, that I know too. No need to use words to belittle me. I know what you're doing.
[5:53 PM, 3/23/2017] Joe: Huh.. Flipper... ?! Something wrong with that...?! Then any man or woman doing business or commerce must be culpable... Goodness... By your standards society is an evil place... Even seiko dealers must be baddies... Cuz they take low and try to sell high... Market vegetable sellers are all sinners.. Wow, how protected at home are u... Anyway if u feel belittled, that is not my intention at all... My main object is really to hope I don't have to see a text from u anymore... If e contents come off as anything else... I apologize... That's that man.. I reali wasted enough breath on u and that's e best I can go...
[7:04 PM, 3/23/2017] Me: Feel free to cross check "be-little" to your previous conversations.
imo just reading not even halfway already i would say u are asking too much. Main question:
Considering Singapore is so small, is it wrong to meetup with the seller of the watch to check a unwarrantied watch's condition before I buy?
I like to chat about watches, is it wrong to share the beauty, solicit a response on the beauty of the watch?
Am I being annoying in the conversation by asking to meet up for purpose of checking the condition of the watch?
Is it morally wrong to have the contact of the successful buyer so that I can further purchase from him?
I'm asking all these to avoid bad deals in the future. Feel free to flame me. Maybe it's me that I need to change. Thanks /k.
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[11:42 PM, 1/19/2017] Joe: Hi Arnold ... Responding to your wus re seiko black urushi chrono... I am in Singapore so u kno... Your number isn't right...
[12:07 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Hi mate. I'm in Singapore too.
[12:07 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Staying in hougang
[12:08 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Let me know if you're convenient to meet this Saturday.
[12:08 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: I'm heading back to Malaysia on Sunday, will be back again after cny
[12:09 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Oh ok... Got it.. Saturday in town ok for u? Cash and carry...
[12:11 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Tell you what, I'll view the watch and i'll decide to purchase over cny.
[12:11 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Can't commit now as i haven't seen the watch in person
[12:17 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: I c... It would be better for us to meet when you are ready to deal on e spot.. If the deal doesn't go through due to condition, I understand.. I apologize I don't do viewing then considering ...
Not to be difficult...
[12:19 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: to make the arrangement smoother. I can meet nearer to your location as a compromise.
[12:20 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: I would prefer to ask all questions and view it on the spot. Taking notes then make sure i don't make an impulse purchase decision
[12:21 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: By delaying the purchase. I hope you understand
[12:24 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: I completely understand mate... But your due diligence shouldn't be quite on me... Go to Tong Xia, they may still have a piece... See and view the watch in person.... See if u like it ... Wear it... Determine then if my price is ok for u ... Then come just to see if it's in the mint condition that I stand by...
[12:24 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: And then deal on e spot
[12:25 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: What u would like is a shop/boutique service I'm afraid I can't provide ...
[12:25 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Again ... Sorry mate... Reali not trying to be an a hole here
[12:25 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: OK. Then we'll limit to WhatsApp conversation.
[12:26 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: If u have qns... Feel free ... No prob
[12:27 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Maybe if you don't mind you can share me your purchase experience with Japanese website. And the reason for sale.
[12:30 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: I love the watch... Just don't seem quite like I could bear to wear it... I tried trust me... Put it on an all.... It's a beautiful watch in photos and even more so in person... It came. All condition was good.
Re shipping I was charged a +7% cuz the japs honor the price tag and do not claim lower.. So u paid full and then some...
Go to yahoo auctions where I got it from... Check out the price and all... I got it steep ..
Personally just couldn't wear it...
[12:36 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Why it doesn't fit you? It designed to be worn on Asian wrists. Will you be able to scan a copy of the tax invoice so that i can take a look at the details? Sure you can black out some of the more sensitive details.
[12:37 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: I assume you bought it new. What is the condition now?
[12:37 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: How much wrist time you had it on?
[12:41 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Worn it around the house for trying... That's it.. Like new in box is me being conservative... You can check the leather band if and when u decide u can deal. It's bought new and still is new.
And it's not so much fit physically .. More like a personal mental barrier ... It's too dear to wear daily for me... Some can... Not I ... And so it goes ...
[12:42 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Shipping where the courier came and made me pay for gst et al indicated on the box... That's all gone ...
[12:43 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Payment I made online I can trace for sure .... But I don't think I'll want to or need to show... If buyer feels it's a price he's not willing to pay... Then I'd say don't buy..
[12:48 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: No paperwork on the purchase to be provided? When was this watched purchased? Send me a pic at your free time. With good lighting of course. Ttyt, it's getting late. How should i address you.
[12:54 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Call me Joe.
In any case Arnold. How I do this is simple ....
What u see in the pics is what you get. In person u just need to verify condition is as described and to your satisfaction. If it's not, we don't deal no prob.
If u don't feel comfortable just cuz I don't pull out my online sales logistics for u, or even go so far as to find the product "suspect", then let's not deal. I'm perfectly ok..
[12:54 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: U rest well and have a good cny... Give it some thought and get back to me... Or don't ... It's fine either way mate ... I understand this is u being cautious
[12:55 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: But sometimes some deals in a certain way is not worth the hassle for me... No offense to u ...
[1:02 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Paperwork is important for warranty claims if there are any manufacturer defects. Not having it becomes a problem.
[1:22 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Warranty and proof of purchase are 2 diff things... And u seem to want the latter which I won't provide... Also re warrant, it was not sent to me. But the confusing conversation I have with the jap seller was that if anything happens I send it back to him...
So I would say... If u bought it from me... And some shit happens in the coming year... I will say I will cover mechanical defects.. But not cosmetic...
Again, if this is uncomfortable for u ... U kno what I'd say...
Anyway knowing where u r coming from I urge maybe you can try and set out to see if there are shops selling... They will definitely put your mind at ease...
[9:24 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Since there are no paperwork, i assume you are prepared to give out personal warranty as a service. It's not the most ideal method, but will you be giving out your full personal details in exchange?
[9:25 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Now that i have a better understanding of your package. What is your offer price as a seller?
[4:34 PM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Hi mate... U mean like a I c front and back? I'll give u details to put your mind at ease for sure... But maybe not ic front and back..
Since we deal in Sg... No shipping price. Flat 3650 sgd.
Think about it first... Can get back to me... Thanks
[5:20 PM, 1/20/2017] Me: Please send me pictures of the watch over the weekend. That'll be very helpful thanks. Please make sure that the environment is well lit. Closeups are appreciated.
[5:20 PM, 1/20/2017] Me: Do take a picture of the whole package that is going to be part of the deal, i.e. boxes etc
[5:23 PM, 1/20/2017] Me: If we can meet up tomorrow, we would be able to skip all these hassle and jump straight to the conclusion.
[5:25 PM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Conclusion is when u can decide and pay on the spot... That would be skipping the hassle ... Let's meet up when u r ready... Thanks
[5:28 PM, 1/20/2017] Me: Do you mind sharing some of your more personal information such as facebook account? Of course these are unrelated to the sale itself. Just trying to get comfortable with the dealing.
[5:32 PM, 1/20/2017] Me: Normally I wouldn't want all these details, since it's a sale without much paperwork and relying on your personal warranty. I guess these information then becomes necessary.
[3:53 AM, 1/21/2017] Joe: Sure... Let me know when u r back...
[9:44 AM, 3/15/2017] Me: Hi
[9:45 AM, 3/15/2017] Me: Your urushi chrono is sold?
[11:18 AM, 3/15/2017] Joe: Nope. Just kept.
[11:24 AM, 3/15/2017] Me: Not selling anymore?
[11:24 AM, 3/15/2017] Joe: Not actively selling..
[11:51 AM, 3/15/2017] Me: Is it because it's hard to sell?
[12:11 PM, 3/15/2017] Joe: Hah.. It's cuz I'm not in need of money.. I put it up every now and then..
[12:11 PM, 3/15/2017] Joe: When I have e time to ..
[5:56 PM, 3/15/2017] Me: Has the initial hype of purchasing this urushi dial gotten over or just starting to intensify even more?
[6:28 PM, 3/15/2017] Joe: It is whatever u think it is man... Good luck with your purchases...
[9:32 PM, 3/15/2017] Me: Are your prices staying?
[12:56 AM, 3/16/2017] Joe: Let me know when u r concrete.. Status quo remains
[8:53 PM, 3/22/2017] Me: I saw the urushi sibling
[8:53 PM, 3/22/2017] Me: At KL
[8:54 PM, 3/22/2017] Me: Very nice dial indeed.
[9:10 PM, 3/22/2017] Joe: No contest on the dial... But observe the diff between the chrono and its siblings... The "silver powdered" numbers...
[10:18 PM, 3/22/2017] Me: Yes... Good point... Still looking for a chrono since D-Day...
[12:49 AM, 3/23/2017] Joe: You kno I've never tried once to hard sell u... I always leave it to u to decide... Anyway I just tot I'd inform u I'm nearing a deal to have the watch sold... Probably should happen by end of this week.. Giving U a heads up... And if u interested, I'd still give it to U if u pay before him...
[9:15 AM, 3/23/2017] Me: Congratulations on your sale. What the price you guys agreed on?
[11:02 AM, 3/23/2017] Joe: $3600... Pleasantly surprised He actually came over to deal just. Apparently solid and a Steady buyer... The kind sellers appreciate... Sad it has to go... Hey good luck with your search aight...
[11:05 AM, 3/23/2017] Me: Can I have his contact? Just wanna ask if he's selling it again. Then I might have a chance.
[11:08 AM, 3/23/2017] Joe: Good lord... Sorry mate.. No offense but I wouldn't recommend a "buyer" like u to him... Or to anyone for that matter...
[1:10 PM, 3/23/2017] Me: I have made up my mind. If you can, please share. Thanks.
[1:18 PM, 3/23/2017] Joe: Nah... You will burn bridges at my expense... All I can say is all e best... Don't have to text me for anything anymore aight... U can find your desired watch from another blessed seller... Watch out for Basel 2017 new seiko releases..
[1:39 PM, 3/23/2017] Me: You are a flipper. I know. And you're very elusive, that I know too. No need to use words to belittle me. I know what you're doing.
[5:53 PM, 3/23/2017] Joe: Huh.. Flipper... ?! Something wrong with that...?! Then any man or woman doing business or commerce must be culpable... Goodness... By your standards society is an evil place... Even seiko dealers must be baddies... Cuz they take low and try to sell high... Market vegetable sellers are all sinners.. Wow, how protected at home are u... Anyway if u feel belittled, that is not my intention at all... My main object is really to hope I don't have to see a text from u anymore... If e contents come off as anything else... I apologize... That's that man.. I reali wasted enough breath on u and that's e best I can go...
[7:04 PM, 3/23/2017] Me: Feel free to cross check "be-little" to your previous conversations.
it sounds like u don't trust the seller at all... then he should also have the right to ask for ur Facebook etc.
and like he said... he's not forcing u to buy... u always have the option to walk away also like he did.
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