for current game d11, it would be 1060 for future dx12 game would go for 480
so neither win
Still early to judge. It depends on game titles. Don't jump your gun.
With such puny market share, doubt the debt-ridden low class will have market standard and impact after all. The low class has itself cornered at sub-MYR1k segment. The concern is whether the low class can survive another let-down by Zen and Vega.
Still early to judge. It depends on game titles. Don't jump your gun.
With such puny market share, doubt the debt-ridden low class will have market standard and impact after all. The low class has itself cornered at sub-MYR1k segment. The concern is whether the low class can survive another let-down by Zen and Vega.
I browse garage sale.. pre-order sapphire nitro rx 470 (8gb) also more than 1k... What kind of pricing is this...
Async Compute is the latest technology that already implemented in consoles that focus on maximum compatibility between application and hardware, you should read about the advantages of async compute and why using this can increase your old card from 45fps to 60fps just by changing application setting.
Game developers gotta be stupid for not using async compute in the upcoming games.
This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Jul 26 2016, 02:59 PM
390x and Fury X bleed at the corner. But no one cares.
R9 390X owners no need to upgrade until upcoming RX 490,
Now titan X also lose with FURY X
Their cards already evolved beating GTX 980 without a sweat, ready for DX12 titles. Kesian GTX 980 kena gimp by NVIDIA, their latest drivers turn OFF ALL ASYNC COMPUTE Features.
This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Jul 26 2016, 03:08 PM
if amd rx480 can get less than rm1200... its a no brainer... but price for both card here is very similar and NVidia can get cheaper with longer warranty....
Async Compute is the latest technology that already implemented in consoles that focus on maximum compatibility between application and hardware, you should read about the advantages of async compute and why using this can increase your old card from 45fps to 60fps just by changing application setting.
Game developers gotta be stupid for not using async compute in the upcoming games.
Wait. Better u mean by 3 to 4 frame?
Only in hitman it beat 1060 kaw kaw
While in tomb raider 1060 win kaw kaw
At best. Even with dx12 and asyn
Both of them stand equal.
Given that both also price almost the same here in malaysia
They are similar. Just pick ur poison
Red or green
This post has been edited by amon_meiz: Jul 26 2016, 03:14 PM
Async Compute is the latest technology that already implemented in consoles that focus on maximum compatibility between application and hardware, you should read about the advantages of async compute and why using this can increase your old card from 45fps to 60fps just by changing application setting.
Game developers gotta be stupid for not using async compute in the upcoming games.
Given that both also price almost the same here in malaysia
They are similar. Just pick ur poison
Red or green
Dont forget DOOM, check the last picture, 114 frame vs 80 plus frame?
Those who follow GPU scene closely these days would get excited over vulkan because its going to be used by next gen consoles, phones, and all type of gaming OS, this alone promises high compatibility and stability in terms of performance.
Wonder why consoles can produce Good looking games with puny specs? it is due to Async Compute my friend.
So you can bet your money that future game developers focus on utilizing async compute for their new titles because all the current and upcoming consoles (xbox,sony ps, and nintendo) are using the same technology. We have to follow the trend when buying GPU because these cards are not cheap, long term usability is a must for most gamers.
And wanna know why we should look at the console market to estimate your PC GPU long term value? because console games are leading the gaming market since ages, and game developers already starting to focus on cross platform development rather than hardware specific development that still used by NVIDIA gimpworks.
Trust me, RX480 maybe on par with GTX 1060 right now, just wait for another year and see the latest benchmark, its gonna beat GTX 1060 on every dx 12 titles.
Just like all AMD cards from the previous gens, google more about long term value of AMD cards and you will know.
This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Jul 26 2016, 03:23 PM
Dont forget DOOM, check the last picture, 114 frame vs 80 plus frame?
Those who follow GPU scene closely these days would get excited over vulkan because its going to be used by next gen consoles, phones, and all type of gaming OS, this alone promises high compatibility and stability in terms of performance.
Wonder why consoles can produce Good looking games with puny specs? it is due to Async Compute my friend.
So you can bet your money that future game developers focus on utilizing async compute for their new titles because all the current and upcoming consoles (xbox,sony ps, and nintendo) are using the same technology. We have to follow the trend when buying GPU because these cards are not cheap, long term usability is a must for most gamers.
And wanna know why we should look at the console market to estimate your PC GPU long term value? because console games are leading the gaming market since ages, and game developers already starting to focus on cross platform development rather than hardware specific development that still used by NVIDIA gimpworks.
Trust me, RX480 maybe on par with GTX 1060 right now, just wait for another year and see the latest benchmark, its gonna beat GTX 1060 on every dx 12 titles.
Im talking about now. Not later
Seriously. People should stop this "better later"
Nobody buy now and play later
They buy now. To play now
Tho i might agree with u. Lets just put this to rest
For malaysia. With its pricing
480 is similar and equal to 1060.now.
Later cerita later la. Focus on now.
This post has been edited by amon_meiz: Jul 26 2016, 03:25 PM
GTX1060 FE only available on nVidia online shop. We don't get FE in our market.
With 14-15% more OC headroom of GTX1060 put into consideration. (vs 3% OC headroom of RX480)
3Dmark Time Spy. nVidia wins.
RoTR. nVidia wins.
Hitman. AMD wins.
Total War. nVidia wins.
Ashes of Singularity. nVidia wins.
Doom (Vulkan). AMD wins.
DX12 score, nVidia 4 : AMD 2. So how?
Seriously? U compare aftermarket GTX 1060 with aftermarket cooler with ref RX480?
And people already starting to see RX480 with aftermarket coolers matching the R9 390x, aftermarket GTX 1060 still struggling to compete with REF RX 480 in DX12
Seriously? U compare aftermarket GTX 1060 with aftermarket cooler with ref RX480?
And people already starting to see RX480 with aftermarket coolers matching the R9 390x, aftermarket GTX 1060 still struggling to compete with REF RX 480 in DX12
Tho i might agree with u. Lets just put this to rest
For malaysia. With its pricing
480 is similar and equal to 1060.now.
Later cerita later la. Focus on now.
People already know pc gamers expect their hardware to evolve over time, its not like console games that stays the same for the next 2-5 years.
When you play pc games, you will expect latest drivers coming almost monthly, and even games being optimized and updated frequently using patches and fixes. This is what makes pc games worthwhile as you can clearly see your hardware improving from time to time.
Im not arguing about who should buy what brand, Im talking about being a better consumer, if you are putting thousands of ringgit on just graphics cards and expect it to performs as is, then you should stick with console gaming as most console gamers only cares about playing the games.
Pc gamers usually want to see that their system is 'futute proof' a term that is a norm among system builders, that is why with current technology and chip architechture, we need to consider AMD.
Unless NVIDIA starts to acknowledge the importance of Async Compute and the importance of working in an open source environment, they are fighting a losing battle.
Dont get me wrong though, their cards are great based from my past experience their cards does not age well and you can expect latest drivers USUALLY gimp your cards when they already launched a new one.
depends on your cpu. if your cpu are old and you will not upgrade your cpu in the nearest time, chances are you better with gtx1060.
As for now, I'm running my GTX970 on i5-2320 processor. Currently in the process of building a brand new rig with i7-6700k processor. I guess GTX1070 is a suitable choice?
Dont forget DOOM, check the last picture, 114 frame vs 80 plus frame?
Those who follow GPU scene closely these days would get excited over vulkan because its going to be used by next gen consoles, phones, and all type of gaming OS, this alone promises high compatibility and stability in terms of performance.
Wonder why consoles can produce Good looking games with puny specs? it is due to Async Compute my friend.
So you can bet your money that future game developers focus on utilizing async compute for their new titles because all the current and upcoming consoles (xbox,sony ps, and nintendo) are using the same technology. We have to follow the trend when buying GPU because these cards are not cheap, long term usability is a must for most gamers.
And wanna know why we should look at the console market to estimate your PC GPU long term value? because console games are leading the gaming market since ages, and game developers already starting to focus on cross platform development rather than hardware specific development that still used by NVIDIA gimpworks.
Trust me, RX480 maybe on par with GTX 1060 right now, just wait for another year and see the latest benchmark, its gonna beat GTX 1060 on every dx 12 titles.
Just like all AMD cards from the previous gens, google more about long term value of AMD cards and you will know.
you sir are the best example of typical amd fags who think what if in the future rx 480 will stomp all over nvidia card with vulkan . Seriously been there done that , before was HBM hype and mantle now vulkan . At the end of the day Nvidia will pull their gameworks and nvidia supported title amd gg
Nobody buys graphic card and expect to be future proof . New shit will be introduce every year best to resell and change annually
so your ignoring computerbase graph showing performance uplift from factory oc custom AIB model and extra headroom depending on silicon lottery? okay, okay.
so your ignoring computerbase graph showing performance uplift from factory oc custom AIB model and extra headroom depending on silicon lottery? okay, okay.
Go ahead add 8% (over reference card). nVidia still leads (with 18% OC headroom over reference card).
This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jul 26 2016, 03:45 PM
As for now, I'm running my GTX970 on i5-2320 processor. Currently in the process of building a brand new rig with i7-6700k processor. I guess GTX1070 is a suitable choice?
yup, if you plan to upgrade to 6700k, but i believe kaby lake coming really soon, you can wait for that if possible
you sir are the best example of typical amd fags who think what if in the future rx 480 will stomp all over nvidia card with vulkan . Seriously been there done that , before was HBM hype and mantle now vulkan . At the end of the day Nvidia will pull their gameworks and nvidia supported title amd gg
Nobody buys graphic card and expect to be future proof . New shit will be introduce every year best to resell and change annually
This is why you are feeding companies like nvidia for nothing, all this while GPUs like Titan, GTX 780, and even the almost obsolete GTX 980 runs perfectly fine but for some unknown reason you will see it starts to fall out as time goes by.
I would have agree with you that technology demands better cards and new games need better cards for that sole reason I agree.
But not to the extent when you can clearly see NVIDIA gimp their cards like GTX TITAN until the lose to ATI 7950 which was launched two YEARS EARLIER.
Dude I am not NVIDIA or AMD fans, but after all the reading and reviews, we can clearly see NVIDIA does not appreciate their loyal customers. You expect to fork out RM3k every year just for a graphics card? you mad ? I dont know about those who think money grows on trees, but for me I expect my hard earned cash to be worthwhile, not just becoming obsolete after 3 years.
But thats just me, its up to you if you want to keep on throwing money just because NVIDIA forced you to do, for me, I am a happy camper with AMD cards for now.
Oh and the Gameworks argument, it might be plausible if its was 2-3 years ago, but considering that AMD already control the console market and they are providing and open source platforms for free to all developers, you can expect fewer gameworks titles in the future, even NVIDIA supporters knows this and they hate gameworks A LOT.
Up to you to consider which is which.
This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Jul 26 2016, 03:51 PM
math failed? reference (100%) ->(8% performance uplift)-> nitro x+ (108% from reference) ->(6% more headroom by increasing power limit, oc to the max with 1.15v voltage) nitro x+ OC max (1.08x1.06 = 114.48%)
so totaling of 14.48% extra performance vs reference and you still saying only 3% headroom? how about other people who managed to make their card run at 1415mhz (computerbase 4gb oc nitro+) or 1400mhz (jagatoc reference binned rx480), those headroom become even larger, thats not even including voltage bypass that is possible just by using afterburner. I know efficiency will be affected with the OC, but that OC headroom are there if the users want to take advantage of it.
even ANUS claim their card can go 19% faster vs reference, yes its cherry pick, deal with it.
This post has been edited by zerorating: Jul 26 2016, 03:56 PM
This is why you are feeding companies like nvidia for nothing, all this while GPUs like Titan, GTX 780, and even the almost obsolete GTX 980 runs perfectly fine but for some unknown reason you will see it starts to fall out as time goes by.
I would have agree with you that technology demands better cards and new games need better cards for that sole reason I agree.
But not to the extent when you can clearly see NVIDIA gimp their cards like GTX TITAN until the lose to ATI 7950 which was launched two YEARS EARLIER.
Dude I am not NVIDIA or AMD fans, but after all the reading and reviews, we can clearly see NVIDIA does not appreciate their loyal customers. You expect to fork out RM3k every year just for a graphics card? you mad ? I dont know about those who think money grows on trees, but for me I expect my hard earned cash to be worthwhile, not just becoming obsolete after 3 years.
But thats just me, its up to you if you want to keep on throwing money just because NVIDIA forced you to do, for me, I am a happy camper with AMD cards for now. Oh and the Gameworks argument, it might be plausible if its was 2-3 years ago, but considering that AMD already control the console market and they are providing and open source platforms for free to all developers, you can expect fewer gameworks titles in the future, even NVIDIA supporters knows this and they hate gameworks A LOT.
Up to you to consider which is which.
to add salt to that, even big developers like ubisoft seeks for AMD help to implement dx12 on watch doge2, not to forget firaxis with their civilization 6.
math failed? reference (100%) ->(8% performance uplift)-> nitro x+ (108% from reference) ->(6% more headroom by increasing power limit, oc to the max with 1.15v voltage) nitro x+ OC max (1.08x1.06 = 114.48%)
so totaling of 14.48% extra performance vs reference and you still saying only 3% headroom? how about other people who managed to make their card run at 1415mhz (computerbase 4gb oc nitro+) or 1400mhz (jagatoc reference binned rx480), those headroom become even larger, thats not even including voltage bypass that is possible just by using afterburner. I know efficiency will be affected with the OC, but that OC headroom are there if the users want to take advantage of it.
even ANUS claim their card can go 19% faster vs reference, yes its cherry pick, deal with it.
And all I can see AMD RX 480 have smooth game play with 60 fps..
Kesian those who bought GTX 970 To think it was launched 2 years ago. Take a look at the rival of GTX 970, the R9 390x Once a rival, and now dominate in the same game.
Just like RX 480, max 60 fps frame compared to GTX 970 around 40-50 fps (maybe more if they turn off v syc)
See why I dont buy NVIDIA?
thats only apply if games using lots of compute processing (remedy loves to make lots of graphic experiment), however it considered bad port by alot of people, but still no fix for it from the developers on nvidia end.
to add salt to that, even big developers like ubisoft seeks for AMD help to implement dx12 on watch doge2, not to forget firaxis with their civilization 6.
Thats why malaysians need to get over this "Nvidia is better" assumption, they need to see that only nvidia "latest" card is the best, while the lower ver and previous ones sucks.
AMD, smooth sailing all the way. Dont spend arm and leg and still get enough power to run max at 60 fps. install and let the card evolve
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Like in any software development, there's maintenance phase. same goes for the game develpoment. a game company should support and maintain their game. don't only blame the gpu if a game have have more than 7 fps++ difference, because both cards are in the same tier.
Also if you're comparing benchmark, be aware that there's synthetic and real world benchmark. Make sure you know difference and get the benchmark from reliable site.
This post has been edited by akhmedisonline: Jul 26 2016, 04:11 PM
math failed? reference (100%) ->(8% performance uplift)-> nitro x+ (108% from reference) ->(6% more headroom by increasing power limit, oc to the max with 1.15v voltage) nitro x+ OC max (1.08x1.06 = 114.48%)
so totaling of 14.48% extra performance vs reference and you still saying only 3% headroom? how about other people who managed to make their card run at 1415mhz (computerbase 4gb oc nitro+) or 1400mhz (jagatoc reference binned rx480), those headroom become even larger, thats not even including voltage bypass that is possible just by using afterburner. I know efficiency will be affected with the OC, but that OC headroom are there if the users want to take advantage of it.
even ANUS claim their card can go 19% faster vs reference, yes its cherry pick, deal with it.
You save couple hundreds from buying a GTX1070 @ MYR1.7K. You just gotta deal with it.
thats only apply if games using lots of compute processing (remedy loves to make lots of graphic experiment), however it considered bad port by alot of people, but still no fix for it from the developers on nvidia end.
Yeah I know, most nvidia cards cant run the game that well.
And all I can see AMD RX 480 have smooth game play with 60 fps..
Kesian those who bought GTX 970 To think it was launched 2 years ago. Take a look at the rival of GTX 970, the R9 390x Once a rival, and now dominate in the same game.
Just like RX 480, max 60 fps frame compared to GTX 970 around 40-50 fps (maybe more if they turn off v syc)
See why I dont buy NVIDIA?
GTX970 is indeed launched almost 2 years ago. R9 390x launched 1 year ago.
Only the low class thinks the newer card should perform slower than old cards.
And all I can see AMD RX 480 have smooth game play with 60 fps..
Kesian those who bought GTX 970 To think it was launched 2 years ago. Take a look at the rival of GTX 970, the R9 390x Once a rival, and now dominate in the same game.
Just like RX 480, max 60 fps frame compared to GTX 970 around 40-50 fps (maybe more if they turn off v syc)
See why I dont buy NVIDIA?
R9 390x rival for GTX 970?facepalm.jpeg. R9 390x=GTX 980, R9 380x=GTX 970 Please la dont bullshit me with "why i dont buy nvidia coz i know ati will win someday". Nah see this benchmark, 2-3 fps is not consider to much. And nvidia win/draw in half DX12 and win almost all DX11 game.
This post has been edited by crash123: Jul 26 2016, 04:19 PM
someone on the thread says must change graphic card every-time there is a new release, its like im currently enjoying my games at 90fps, ooowaiii the new graphic card is 1.7x faster, must buy,now can enjoy games at 153fps (on the backend using crap TN 60hz monitor)
to me, as long as there is no game as revolutionary as the first crysis, there is no need to purchase a new graphic card unless the fps counter drop so badly or there is needful feature on the graphic card (e.g hevc decoder)
yup, if you plan to upgrade to 6700k, but i believe kaby lake coming really soon, you can wait for that if possible
For real? Oh man, I already purchased the i7-6700k processor. Only left for me to purchase are the mobo and casing (optional). Guess I'll settle with Skylake.
GTX970 is indeed launched almost 2 years ago. R9 390x launched 1 year ago.
Only the low class thinks the newer card should perform slower than old cards.
That doesnt justify the 20fps difference
QUOTE(crash123 @ Jul 26 2016, 04:18 PM)
R9 390x rival for GTX 970?facepalm.jpeg. R9 390x=GTX 980, R9 380x=GTX 970 Please la dont bullshit me with "why i dont buy nvidia coz i know ati will win someday". Nah see this benchmark, 2-3 fps is not consider to much. And nvidia win/draw in half DX12 and win almost all DX11 game.
It aint BS when it has been proven. oh come see ALeUNe GTX TITAN launch year: 2013 ATI 7950 launch year: 2011
For real? Oh man, I already purchased the i7-6700k processor. Only left for me to purchase are the mobo and casing (optional). Guess I'll settle with Skylake.
well 6700k is still a good buy, IPC improvement for kaby lake most likely 5% at most, just the IGPU improvement will be large. the engineering sample for kaby lake 7700k is 4.2ghz, same as skylake 6700k http://wccftech.com/intel-kaby-lake-core-i...00k-cpu-leaked/
This post has been edited by zerorating: Jul 26 2016, 04:47 PM
That doesnt justify the 20fps difference It aint BS when it has been proven. oh come see ALeUNe GTX TITAN launch year: 2013 ATI 7950 launch year: 2011
And better yet, losing to 3 gb card LOL No point to talk now calling people names?
Did I say anything about buying RX 480?
Real mature kid.
We all know AMD has an edge on Vulkan. It's either we see new improvement from nVidia on Vulkan or we see Vulkan die like Glide. Either way, still early to judge on relevance of Vulkan.
Moreover, puny market share of AMD anyway. It's not like moving the market anyway.
We all know AMD has an edge on Vulkan. It's either we see new improvement from nVidia on Vulkan or we see Vulkan die like Glide. Either way, still early to judge on relevance of Vulkan.
Moreover, puny market share of AMD anyway. It's not like moving the market anyway.
ironically in developers event, nvidia are the one that keeps promoting vulkan mentioning its open source/multi platform, meanwhile amd just smile at the back, and promoting dx12 instead amd know that big developers will stick with DX12 for now, because alot of tools only working on directx API, better documented and better supported by microsoft.
well 6700k is still a good buy, IPC improvement for kaby lake most likely 5% at most, just the IGPU improvement will be large. the engineering sample for kaby lake 7700k is 4.2ghz, same as skylake 6700k http://wccftech.com/intel-kaby-lake-core-i...00k-cpu-leaked/
We all know AMD has an edge on Vulkan. It's either we see new improvement from nVidia on Vulkan or we see Vulkan die like Glide. Either way, still early to judge on relevance of Vulkan.
Moreover, puny market share of AMD anyway. It's not like moving the market anyway.
DUDE, AMD owns the console market lah,
both xbox and sony using AMD not to mention vulkan API is already applied on PS4 and Xbox one, it also used on Smartphones, handhelds, and tablets. Even new android games starts to use vulkan.
Wanna tell me why game developers dont want to use vulkan to sell their games?
This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Jul 26 2016, 04:57 PM
ironically in developers event, nvidia are the one that keeps promoting vulkan mentioning its open source/multi platform, meanwhile amd just smile at the back, and promoting dx12 instead amd know that big developers will stick with DX12 for now, because alot of tools only working on directx API, better documented and better supported by microsoft.
If Vulkan is a big thing, then we should see some improvement on Vulkan then. It's common sense to stay relevant for a market leader.
Whether AMD smiles or not, developers will need to decide it's major share audience they are targeting or puny group they are aiming at.
This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jul 26 2016, 04:58 PM
both xbox and sony using AMD not to mention vulkan API is already applied on PS4 and Xbox one, it also used on Smartphones, handhelds, and tablets. Even new android games starts to use vulkan.
Wanna tell me why game developers dont want to use vulkan to sell their games?
Don't bring consoles to master race market. It's not relevant.
With console, AMD is going downhill. Look at its debt and performance over the years. Hefty price paid.
If Vulkan is a big thing, then we should see some improvement on Vulkan then. It's common sense to stay relevance for a market leader.
Whether AMD smiles or not, developers will need to decide it's major share audience they are targeting or puny group they are aiming at.
its development costs and users base are the main factor. whats the point implementing open source API if it takes alot of works/manhours to make it run well.
but vulkan are still big in smartphone scene anyway, better than opengl es, that apple metal api can also throw to dustbin as well.
It aint BS when it has been proven. oh come see ALeUNe GTX TITAN launch year: 2013 ATI 7950 launch year: 2011
Please la dont compare RAM, RAM will dont do shit for FPS if u never go above 1080p. I bet u the person who say more ram will make PC faster right?And please learn more about architecture before flaming this. Yes NVIDIA is shit company coz they stop updating old GPU, but old GPU can do that much even if u add 100GB. And ATI is build for low-overhead API thats why they winning in new game meanwhile NVIDIA is build for openGL. Thats why they losing in vulkan coz they not build for this. See how ATI perform in OpenGL. BTW 79xx/R9 2xx/R9 3xx is same GPU so u wonder why ATI still provide support to their old card
This post has been edited by crash123: Jul 26 2016, 05:06 PM
"Even with all of these additions, Pascal still won’t quite match GCN. GCN is able to run async compute at the SM/CU level, meaning each SM/CU can work on both graphics and compute at the same time, allowing even better efficiency"
But of course NVIDIA GTX 1080/70 still runs good, its just that they aint gonna see much benefit compared to GCN architecture used by AMD.
You might get 5-10 fps more but not 30fps like AMD with DX12 or vulkan
This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Jul 26 2016, 05:06 PM
its development costs and users base are the main factor. whats the point implementing open source API if it takes alot of works/manhours to make it run well.
but vulkan are still big in smartphone scene anyway, better than opengl es, that apple metal api can also throw to dustbin as well.
It is the same argument between Glide, OpenGL and DirectX 20 years ago.
OpenGL was supported in multi OS platform 20+ years ago. OpenGL was faster than DirectX 20+ years ago.
What we see now is OpenGL is going nowhere in PC gaming.
Don't bring consoles to master race market. It's not relevant.
With console, AMD is going downhill. Look at its debt and performance over the years. Hefty price paid.
ironically, semi-custom business that help amd to gain little profit last quarter. If possible AMD could charge more from sony, microsoft (or maybe nintendo), for their next APU with polaris architecture.
Wanna know why newer pascal chips not gonna be able to fully utilize vulkan?
Lutakbuliasynccomputelol.com But of course NVIDIA GTX 1080/70 still runs good, its just that they aint gonna see much benefit compared to GCN architecture used by AMD.
You might get 5-10 fps more but not 30fps like AMD with DX12 or vulkan
Don't bring consoles to master race market. It's not relevant.
With console, AMD is going downhill. Look at its debt and performance over the years. Hefty price paid.
NVIDIA not doing so well either, thats why they are moving towards Automotive, server markets, wanna know why the NVIDIA arent as cheap as before? because they are not pushing towards gaming market anymore, they are more focused on industrial based computing.
You see them pushing TITAN gpus that actually meant for professional application rather than gaming, selling it as gaming card just to achieve economies of scale because the chip was too big to cover the chip per wafer production cost.
QUOTE(crash123 @ Jul 26 2016, 05:02 PM)
Please la dont compare RAM, RAM will dont do shit for FPS if u never go above 1080p. I bet u the person who say more ram will make PC faster right?And please learn more about architecture before flaming this. Yes NVIDIA is shit company coz they stop updating old GPU, but old GPU can do that much even if u add 100GB. And ATI is build for low-overhead API thats why they winning in new game meanwhile NVIDIA is build for openGL. Thats why they losing in vulkan coz they not build for this. See how ATI perform in OpenGL. BTW 79xx/R9 2xx/R9 3xx is same GPU so u wonder why ATI still provide support to their old card
(bolded part) Dont put your words into my mouth la
The reason why Nvidia card does not improve much on vulkan or dx 12 is not that they dont support these APIs, its because their architecture does not have async shaders, IT IS DUE TO HARDWARE design.
That is why I dont go for Maxwell or even PASCAL cards, these cards are just not capable of fully utilizing Async compute as efficiently as GCN architecture.
And I now I hear NVIDIA want to push their Volta cards for next year??? wow, whats the rush NVIDIA?
ironically, semi-custom business that help amd to gain little profit last quarter. If possible AMD could charge more from sony, microsoft (or maybe nintendo), for their next APU with polaris architecture.
Sigh, kesian the low class. Had to sell assets. After selling assets, -USD40m net income.
Not too sure if AMD can survive until the release of next "Vulkan" title. (prolly acquired by others in the next few months).
survive? microsoft and samseng both eyeing on AMD, but they better off being independent, scared that they will stop selling Graphic card and CPUs. Intel also eyeing on Radeon Technology group as well.
This post has been edited by zerorating: Jul 26 2016, 05:27 PM
NVIDIA not doing so well either, thats why they are moving towards Automotive, server markets, wanna know why the NVIDIA arent as cheap as before? because they are not pushing towards gaming market anymore, they are more focused on industrial based computing.
You see them pushing TITAN gpus that actually meant for professional application rather than gaming, selling it as gaming card just to achieve economies of scale because the chip was too big to cover the chip per wafer production cost.
survive? microsoft and samseng both eyeing on AMD, but they better off being independent, scared that they will stop selling Graphic card and CPUs. Intel also eyeing on Radeon Technology group as well.
Yes, the low class will need to change the owner to break the cycle of low class. Let the high class people run the show.
When buying GPU leads to company financial performance
Wanna know why AMD having financial diffculties? it is due to the Processor flop aka bulldoze failure.
It does not provide a total picture in terms of graphic and gaming department, let alone their future contracts with console developers and the upcoming ZEN processor
When buying GPU leads to company financial performance
Wanna know why AMD having financial diffculties? it is due to the Processor flop aka bulldoze failure.
It does not provide a total picture in terms of graphic and gaming department, let alone their future contracts with console developers and the upcoming ZEN processor
That was the response to your below post. I agree nVidia is not doing well.
QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Jul 26 2016, 05:17 PM)
NVIDIA not doing so well either, thats why they are moving towards Automotive, server markets, wanna know why the NVIDIA arent as cheap as before? because they are not pushing towards gaming market anymore, they are more focused on industrial based computing.
When fan boys cant justify his lost buying overpriced cards..
They move to "class" arguments I was like you until I took gimpworks to the knee
I think fanbois are just bad in both camps, some more obvious than others
You think without AMD you can still nice price for Nvidia cards? they will surely overprice that 1060 since there is no competition. Some fanbois just like bashing for the sake of bashing, or gloating stupidly like how high class Nvidia is. Both are companies la and they need competition to keep each other in check or else consumers get shit upon. If you like Nvidia so much, then don't complain when they raise the price sky high, just bend over and take it then.
It would be in Nvidia's best interest to keep technology at dx11 level, and push more proprietary tech, GameWorks and such. Then you wont see low level APIs like Dx12 or Vulkan flourish and mature. Due to their big market share, devs will likely target the low end capability of mainstream Nvidia cards where the biggest market is. So don't cry again when graphics in games are downgraded since we have to make do with low end tech/old API as minimum req.
NVIDIA not doing so well either, thats why they are moving towards Automotive, server markets, wanna know why the NVIDIA arent as cheap as before? because they are not pushing towards gaming market anymore, they are more focused on industrial based computing.
You see them pushing TITAN gpus that actually meant for professional application rather than gaming, selling it as gaming card just to achieve economies of scale because the chip was too big to cover the chip per wafer production cost. (bolded part) Dont put your words into my mouth la
The reason why Nvidia card does not improve much on vulkan or dx 12 is not that they dont support these APIs, its because their architecture does not have async shaders, IT IS DUE TO HARDWARE design.
That is why I dont go for Maxwell or even PASCAL cards, these cards are just not capable of fully utilizing Async compute as efficiently as GCN architecture.
And I now I hear NVIDIA want to push their Volta cards for next year??? wow, whats the rush NVIDIA?
All people already know it coz ATI is build mantle so its a retarded if u not build ur GPU to optimize the API right. Mantle=Vulkan. I already say it above so no need to repeat it again.
And for that one I agree coz Pascal not fully support Async compute coz they dont care shit about future tech. Thats why I stay with my card and waiting for next card and dont tell me to buy AMD coz their OC potential+hot card already traumatise me for years. But for now, Nvidia is better coz developer find hard to fully utilize vulkan+dx12 as they are new tech. And if u wanna to keep ur card for at least 3 years go ahead buy ATI.
Async Compute Only Boosted HITMAN’s Performance By 5-10% on AMD cards; Devs Say It’s “Super Hard” to Tune
This post has been edited by crash123: Jul 26 2016, 05:45 PM
can consider ps4 as well. console exclusive having higher production value vs multi-platform. just see the character model on the yakuza 6 and car model on gt:sport
This post has been edited by zerorating: Jul 26 2016, 05:53 PM
I think fanbois are just bad in both camps, some more obvious than others
You think without AMD you can still nice price for Nvidia cards? they will surely overprice that 1060 since there is no competition. Some fanbois just like bashing for the sake of bashing, or gloating stupidly like how high class Nvidia is. Both are companies la and they need competition to keep each other in check or else consumers get shit upon. If you like Nvidia so much, then don't complain when they raise the price sky high, just bend over and take it then.
It would be in Nvidia's best interest to keep technology at dx11 level, and push more proprietary tech, GameWorks and such. Then you wont see low level APIs like Dx12 or Vulkan flourish and mature. Due to their big market share, devs will likely target the low end capability of mainstream Nvidia cards where the biggest market is. So don't cry again when graphics in games are downgraded since we have to make do with low end tech/old API as minimum req.
Without AMD, just look at CPU sector or Intel. We still continue upgrading from Nehalem to Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge to Haswell to Broadwell to Skylake. No problem. We won't stop upgrading, with or without AMD.
Price will remain at affordable level to generate sales. Otherwise, nVidia how to earn $$? nVidia needs to induce sales by offering better products. The software developers willl react accordingly, to the development hardware.
All people already know it coz ATI is build mantle so its a retarded if u not build ur GPU to optimize the API right. Mantle=Vulkan. I already say it above so no need to repeat it again.
And for that one I agree coz Pascal not fully support Async compute coz they dont care shit about future tech. Thats why I stay with my card and waiting for next card and dont tell me to buy AMD coz their OC potential+hot card already traumatise me for years. But for now, Nvidia is better coz developer find hard to fully utilize vulkan+dx12 as they are new tech. And if u wanna to keep ur card for at least 3 years go ahead buy ATI.
Async Compute Only Boosted HITMAN’s Performance By 5-10% on AMD cards; Devs Say It’s “Super Hard” to Tune
Nope,
Mantle=DX 12 and Vulkan is different API by kronos.
And async compute is not new tech, it was already used in current gen consoles. It only due to late shift to DX12 that people dont fully see the benefits of Async Compute.
Unlike NVIDIA who always close their latest tech for best optimization, ATI/AMD shares their technology with open source method, so your argument that Mantle/DX12 developed by AMD so must be better on AMD is invalid, as it is an open source technology.
Plus if you follow the recent game developers conference, Vulkan is a big thing among them, and even Nvidia demonstrating their findings on vulkan.
Mantle=DX 12 and Vulkan is different API by kronos.
And async compute is not new tech, it was already used in current gen consoles. It only due to late shift to DX12 that people dont fully see the benefits of Async Compute.
Unlike NVIDIA who always close their latest tech for best optimization, ATI/AMD shares their technology with open source method, so your argument that Mantle/DX12 developed by AMD so must be better on AMD is invalid, as it is an open source technology.
Plus if you follow the recent game developers conference, Vulkan is a big thing among them, and even Nvidia demonstrating their findings on vulkan.
as far that i know, vulkan is more closer to mantle compared to directx 12 (lol, macam la microsoft want to annouce we take alot of mantle codes and use it on dx12) lol, nvidia love to take credits on something they didnt contribute much in first place and says they are open-source supporters, how irony. as per wiki:
QUOTE
Vulkan is a low-overhead, cross-platform 3D graphics and compute API first announced at GDC 2015 by the Khronos Group.[9][10][11] The Vulkan API was initially referred to as the "next generation OpenGL initiative" by Khronos, but use of those names were discontinued once the Vulkan name was announced.[12] Vulkan is derived from and built upon components of AMD's Mantle API, which was donated by AMD to Khronos with the intent of giving Khronos a foundation on which to begin developing a low-level API that they could standardize across the industry, much like OpenGL.[3][9][13][14][15][16][17]
This post has been edited by zerorating: Jul 26 2016, 06:03 PM
as far that i know, vulkan is more closer to mantle compared to directx 12 (lol, macam la microsoft want to annouce we take alot of mantle codes and use it on dx12) as per wiki:
Since MANTLE is an open source code, they have similar base.
But to me it doesnt matter whether it is Vulkan or DX12, I am more interested with what the developers can do with Async compute, since the improvements over Vulkan in DOOM, I have always been addicted to what Async compute can do.
Never before in my 12 years of gaming that a game can improve its Frame rate up to 30 fps and above just with a change in setting with same graphic detail.
Mantle=DX 12 and Vulkan is different API by kronos.
And async compute is not new tech, it was already used in current gen consoles. It only due to late shift to DX12 that people dont fully see the benefits of Async Compute.
Unlike NVIDIA who always close their latest tech for best optimization, ATI/AMD shares their technology with open source method, so your argument that Mantle/DX12 developed by AMD so must be better on AMD is invalid, as it is an open source technology.
Plus if you follow the recent game developers conference, Vulkan is a big thing among them, and even Nvidia demonstrating their findings on vulkan.
Mantle is a Vulkan: AMD's dead graphics API rises from the ashes in OpenGL's successor
Is AMD Mantle Dead As We Have Known It? Vulcan API Uses Mantle Technology for OpenGL
Vulkan is derived from and built upon components of AMD's Mantle API, which was donated by AMD to Khronos with the intent of giving Khronos a foundation on which to begin developing a low-level API that they could standardize across the industry, much like OpenGL
So yeah AMD is build their card for their Mantle but nobody want to use Mantle coz it suck so they build Vulcan and Vulcan based on their Mantle API. AMD GCN is Asynchronous Compute Engine ready from 7xxx series meanwhile Nvidia is not. Yeah it is not a new tech, but AMD can build ASYNC API coz the provide GPU for console meanwhile Nvidia does not have anything to make a new API so they just use ready tech/API and build GIMPWORK. AMD is losing in for like 6 years to build a new API, meanwhile their CPU already far behind Intel. It is worth it?IDK
This post has been edited by crash123: Jul 26 2016, 06:10 PM
Without AMD, just look at CPU sector or Intel. We still continue upgrading from Nehalem to Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge to Haswell to Broadwell to Skylake. No problem. We won't stop upgrading, with or without AMD.
Price will remain at affordable level to generate sales. Otherwise, nVidia how to earn $$? nVidia needs to induce sales by offering better products. The software developers willl react accordingly, to the development hardware.
By milking people like you who have brand loyalty, so naive
QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Jul 26 2016, 02:47 PM)
Im no amd fan. Using nvidia now
But damn this dog plotek nvidia kaw kaw
Bash amd in every thread in existence
Nvidia shoukd pay this dog
Some comments really shamefur dispray. It's a shame though, work so hard not get paid, or maybe he wants to see the industry only Nvidia existing
Since MANTLE is an open source code, they have similar base.
But to me it doesnt matter whether it is Vulkan or DX12, I am more interested with what the developers can do with Async compute, since the improvements over Vulkan in DOOM, I have always been addicted to what Async compute can do.
Never before in my 12 years of gaming that a game can improve its Frame rate up to 30 fps and above just with a change in setting with same graphic detail.
i dont think asysc really much benefit if the compute/graphic queue were properly managed (but will be extremely important if the game engine is compute heavy), the actual features that will bring up massive performance is Shader Intrinsic thats allow specific gpu architecture instruction access/specific hardware codepath. This is the main reason why DOOM vulkan rendering much faster vs opengl on GCN cards.
This post has been edited by zerorating: Jul 26 2016, 06:17 PM
By milking people like you who have brand loyalty, so naive Some comments really shamefur dispray. It's a shame though, work so hard not get paid, or maybe he wants to see the industry only Nvidia existing
It's even worse in the subforum, some of them circlejerk so hard I can't even read the posts without facepalming.
I have both nVidia and AMD cards. I'll make sure the high end product goes to my gaming rig. The cheap low class goes to my office PC.
But very soon the cheap low class will not even qualify to be "office PC" anymore. It will be replaced by GTX1050.
I don't care what cards you have though, fanbois do often use this claim to avoid being called out. But, alas a fanboi shows his stripes immediately by bashing things he does not understand and putting one side on a pedestal.
People without brand loyalty do not see the need to defend Nvidia like you do.
I don't care what cards you have though, fanbois do often use this claim to avoid being called out. But, alas a fanboi shows his stripes immediately by bashing things he does not understand and putting one side on a pedestal.
People without brand loyalty do not see the need to defend Nvidia like you do.
No bulllshit. I replied in real time with my ultra-wide screen.
nVidia can speak for itself. It's not like they are having KNN performance anyway.
This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jul 26 2016, 06:30 PM
I don't care what cards you have though, fanbois do often use this claim to avoid being called out. But, alas a fanboi shows his stripes immediately by bashing things he does not understand and putting one side on a pedestal.
People without brand loyalty do not see the need to defend Nvidia like you do.
there are differences between fans and fanboys. well i am nvidia fans since tnt2 era and bought the first xbox (when everyone preferring ps2), over time, i dont find it is worth it to pour my money to nvidia, their fanboys can do that, no worries.
i dont think asysc really much benefit if the compute/graphic queue were properly managed (but will be extremely important if the game engine is compute heavy), the actual features that will bring up massive performance is Shader Intrinsic thats allow specific gpu architecture instruction access/specific hardware codepath. This is the main reason why DOOM vulkan rendering much faster vs opengl on GCN cards.
Well thata true, with GPUOpen they can access the hardware more directly. Thats another story altogether, but when it comes to latest games that heavily utize A.I.s, lighting effects, physics, shaders, and all the features that requires computing calculation to react to the gamers actions and events, you can surely see the benefits of Async Compute.
This will make it easier for game developers to run their computing instructions faster. Of course the more complex the instructions, the better it will be on async compute.
Well thata true, with GPUOpen they can access the hardware more directly. Thats another story altogether, but when it comes to latest games that heavily utize A.I.s, lighting effects, physics, shaders, and all the features that requires computing calculation to react to the gamers actions and events, you can surely see the benefits of Async Compute.
This will make it easier for game developers to run their computing instructions faster. Of course the more complex the instructions, the better it will be on async compute.
agreed, but i think developers will choose lazy path, implement some middleware from some company, done. performance drop? fark it (until batman:arkham knight happens)
nowadays, the only company that went seriously on graphic optimization are DICE, but they forget the game contents
This post has been edited by zerorating: Jul 26 2016, 06:35 PM
agreed, but i think developers will choose lazy path, implement some middleware from some company, done. performance drop? fark it (until batman:arkham knight happens)
nowadays, the only company that went seriously on graphic optimization are DICE, but they forget the game contents
Hahaha, arkham knight was a disaster
Thanks to gimpworks
This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Jul 26 2016, 06:50 PM
No bulllshit. I replied in real time with my ultra-wide screen.
nVidia can speak for itself. It's not like they are having KNN performance anyway.
Post picture also no used already. Since everyone knows your bias towards AMD, and you love Nvidia
Consumer that know what they want, knows how to decide for themselves and don't need people telling them what to buy.
Also it's not like AMD is gonna die because they cannot sell RX 480 in Malaysia, you know there exists larger market than ours outside Malaysia right? I doubt they can fix third world pricing. Worst case is nobody care to bring AMD cards here anymore, like in India their AMD cards also much higher than even ours. Smaller quantities brought in means the price will be higher compared to bulk Nvidia cards. Nvidia becomes their only reasonable option.
By milking people like you who have brand loyalty, so naive
relax...... some people just want his boss to buy new Felali car and new leather jacket.
Just vote with ur wallet, dont get drag into this AMD vs Nvidia fight. I also aint changing my budget also. GPU get more expensive is their own problem not mine.
relax...... some people just want his boss to buy new Felali car and new leather jacket.
Just vote with ur wallet, dont get drag into this AMD vs Nvidia fight. I also aint changing my budget also. GPU get more expensive is their own problem not mine.
some ppl just like support monopolism . just like BN's cronies support thier ... astro/tm etc
i just some casual gaming but would be nice to have decent fps la for 1920x1080 dont mind to game at around 30-40 fps also, but see these new card all rm1k+ i cant, below 1k still feel ok my current card sapphire radeon 7850 OC btw
QUOTE(zerorating @ Jul 26 2016, 07:25 PM)
not more than gtx1060, oh maybe you can wait for gtx1050 or rx470.
hahahaha lols... yeah i know what ur talking about lols..
whats your take tho?
im leaning green side yo.. *flameshieldon`
As for me.
Depend
Rx480 Pros Cfx High vram (imho 1080p game 6gb is ok) Cheap Async
Cons Hotter than 1060 Abit high power consumption Dont even think about nvidia game work
1060 Pro Low power consumption Low temp Performance slightly above rx480 Gsnyc(but need extra moolah to buy gsyc minitor) Cons Low vram 6gb compare to rx480 No sli
Post picture also no used already. Since everyone knows your bias towards AMD, and you love Nvidia
Consumer that know what they want, knows how to decide for themselves and don't need people telling them what to buy.
Also it's not like AMD is gonna die because they cannot sell RX 480 in Malaysia, you know there exists larger market than ours outside Malaysia right? I doubt they can fix third world pricing. Worst case is nobody care to bring AMD cards here anymore, like in India their AMD cards also much higher than even ours. Smaller quantities brought in means the price will be higher compared to bulk Nvidia cards. Nvidia becomes their only reasonable option.
I am against any boastful KNN low class with low class product.
If nVidia delivers low class product, nVidia will be in my office PC. Too bad, it is AMD being the low class for generations. You need to ask why AMD remains low class.
It is KNN fanboyism when these boys boast the low class products.
This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jul 26 2016, 07:42 PM
i just some casual gaming but would be nice to have decent fps la for 1920x1080 dont mind to game at around 30-40 fps also, but see these new card all rm1k+ i cant, below 1k still feel ok my current card sapphire radeon 7850 OC btw my current card sapphire radeon 7850 OC btw
sometime we gamer dont need always buy latest generation gc series . for me i will away get previous generation high end gc. which is more affordable . because the new gc value drop so fast just like car
form me 2nd hand 7970/680gtx/780gtx/280x/290x even gtx 970 is all under 1k now . will give u decent fps for latest games
This post has been edited by nagflar: Jul 26 2016, 07:41 PM
even gtx 970 is all under 1k now . will give u decent fps for latest games
I was just thinking of a card that support dx12 so next few yrs if any new game can enjoy (a bit) but i dont see any 970gtx below 1k ler, even the 960gtx also around 1k plus from those prices at garage sales
i was thinking if buy a new rig now maybe a good time to consider amd 4XX or nvidia 10xx, but at the moment the prices a bit high due to just launch
I had a similar dilemma, but I chose to go red this time.
Few things,
1) looking at all the reviews, in games with older API, in extreme cases the result is something like gtx: 100fps, rx: 70fps.
I play on a 1080p 60hz monitor so anything above 60fps is fine by me.
2) in newer games with newer API, rx480 leads but although its just a tiny bit, it looks to be a more future proof card and I'm basically just banking on devs to use them and utilize its features more.
3) but what if they don't? Well, go back to point 1)
Personally I don't think there's a wrong choice between these 2. But if you have an extra 550 ringgit to burn then do get gtx1070
Well, AMD cards are not so good in dx11 or openGL, that is a known fact. But I don't see why people should slam the RX 480 mid range product as low class, bash the pricing in Malaysia, that I can agree.
There are aftermarket RX 480 coming in August, and it has backplate/LED fancy stuff at the price where you can only get Zotac/Palit 1060 without backplate/LED, if want that you have to pay up more. Honestly the aftermarket 1060s feel rushed and some features skimped a bit to lower the market price, even the G1 Gaming don't look that premium anymore compared GTX 970 G1 last time TBH. MSI has one model that only has single heatpipe. EVGA products are good but I don't think the price is worth it here, just like some Asus cards.
Like khelben, he has his own reason to choose, and I personally don't think he's gonna go wrong with either, since we have aftermarket cards from both side now which is better buy than reference.
If I think 1060 is a better buy, I will offer suggestions civilly but respect his decision, not put down what he's buying by repeating some AMD is doomed / low class KNN mantra.
Some people also consider buying the new Titan X, you will see trolls bashing them on other forums for being rich enough to give Nvidia money, or like how stupid it is to buy this overpriced card etc. It's just sick that you cannot run away from people like these from both sides.
But if you know what you want, then the choice should be easy. People who make up their minds already is out of your control anyway.
I had a similar dilemma, but I chose to go red this time.
Few things,
1) looking at all the reviews, in games with older API, in extreme cases the result is something like gtx: 100fps, rx: 70fps.
I play on a 1080p 60hz monitor so anything above 60fps is fine by me.
2) in newer games with newer API, rx480 leads but although its just a tiny bit, it looks to be a more future proof card and I'm basically just banking on devs to use them and utilize its features more.
3) but what if they don't? Well, go back to point 1)
Personally I don't think there's a wrong choice between these 2. But if you have an extra 550 ringgit to burn then do get gtx1070
nvidia also can optimize their driver for vulkan API.
The score is taken from guru3d as reference. Based on these links, let's do some comparisons.
If DX12 is your concern, well, the score is 3 : 2. Green team wins. Well, if you take Vulkan into the DX12 score, it's 3 : 3. It's a tie. DX11, green team tapau the red team. DX11/12/Vulkan final score, 12 : 3. Green team wins.
Next, let's do overclocking. Real world overclocking that reflects the actual FPS increase. - MSI GTX1060, with 10% OC headroom on actual real-world result - GTX 980, with 13% OC headroom on actual real-world result - GTX 970, with 13% OC headroom on actual real-world result - RX480, with 6% OC headroom on actual real-world result If DX12 & Vulkan are your concerns, well, the score is 4 : 2. Green team wins. DX11/12/Vulkan final score, 13 : 2. Green team wins.
Heard people give high ratings on Sapphire Nitro+ RX480 OC. We do comparisons with these videos then.
MSI GTX1060 is used, OC results as shown in video. GTX980, with +13% OC headroom. GTX970, with +13% OC headroom. Sapphire Nitro+ RX480, OC results as shown in video. For overclocked cards, green team tapau red team in all DX12 benchmarks. Well, if you take Vulkan into DX12 score, it's 3:1. Green team wins. DX11/12/Vulkan final score, 8 : 1. Green team wins.
Kek.
P/S - First things first, don't ask me how or why. I just picked the figures from either the website or the videos. You can see it for yourself. Credit given to those reviewers. - If you can get a GTX980 cheap, get it (i.e. MYR800-900). See the score card, it ain't bad. - How could GTX980 outperfoms GTX1060? well, I simply slapped 9 ten% OC headroom on GTX1060, while GTX980 enjoiced thirteen% OC headroom. GTX980 wins some. GTX1060 loses some. - Wait, you asked why RX480 low class? - If you wanna argue AIB RX480 has higher OC headroom, you go check above video, eteknix' review on Sapphire Nitro+ RX480 and Techpowerup's review on Asus RX480 Strix. You do your own calculation on OC headroom of RX480.
This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jul 27 2016, 01:55 AM
If u have money for a new freesync monitor(Bout 1K), buy the nitro+ 480.
Other than that just get a 1060.
crossfire availability is bs, feel free 2 open a poll and see how many persons are doing multi-gpu setup, people I know who had it done it when they built their rig, not like angmo style add one card afterwards. All multi-gpu setup I've seen are all top-end cards/2nd tier cards, such as 2x 1070, or 2x 980. very few will bother to do SLi/CF at low end cards. Friendly advice 2 480s will get you a 1080, which is still the king because titan xp is godlike. CF 480 is just plain stupidity, unless you have a 4k setup and only play DOOM.
Next. Do you not feel like playing "last gen" great games like Witcher 3, GTA V and AC Syndicate on your new card? Do you think AMD will make their cards great again with DX12 API? If you do then take the 480.
I'll take the Zotac 1060 Mini or Palit 1060 as they're the cheapest and well, I have more faith on Team Green.
This post has been edited by Melvin117: Jul 27 2016, 05:22 AM