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Toys R/C Helicopter, Anyone intrested in this ?

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post Jun 22 2009, 10:00 AM

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This is something we should be doing if goting for an upgrade.
Just change the RX and add gyro, provided the voltage from the BEC of ESC is rated at 4.8v.
Allan, maybe you can check the voltage with DMM do double confirm.


Added on June 22, 2009, 10:04 am
QUOTE(yeeck06 @ Jun 21 2009, 02:23 PM)
If crash a lot of parts have to changed wor if I go for CP.......I'm still new to this fp or cp......I know that the fp will be much more unstable or difficult to fly than coaxial..... If I go for cp then I have to buy some spare part to standby liao lor.....smile.gif Where is Graffiti? Check the 4#3b as well.....smile.gif
Not sure....I will check again in my next flight......
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post Jun 22 2009, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 22 2009, 11:47 AM)
u sure or not ?? high HS crash alot of things can go wrong one worr .. hehehe
if u serious then go offer uniqueXme a price for his USED almost new 4G3 la .. brushless main motor with brushed tail .. its good enuff for u to learn until can hover b4 upgrading ... even if u upgrade walkera OEM BL tail its only usd35 ... not expensive
then get tools and parts ready to repair the thing for the 1st 1-2 months ... by that time u would have gathered enuff technical info and flight time to hover well liau hopefully .. tongue.gif

i am thinking of offering uniqueXme for his used 4G3 liau .. get another one into my collection .. see how much he willing to nego ... hehehe
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Meantime i'll have to stop shopping for a while, had allocate my fund into another new business..
Good for you...

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post Jun 22 2009, 01:04 PM

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Look at this Spektrum 4G3.
http://flashgamesite.com/live2/video_Y7T0PY_iU68.html
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post Jun 22 2009, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 22 2009, 01:06 PM)
u are the sifoo ... make $$ while the others spend $$ ... hehehe
i not to say collector la ... having a spare it good one ma ... and oso can play different different kinda setups maa tongue.gif
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I'm not sifo, learning too.
Is good to have another spare since it is cheap... biggrin.gif
Really looking forward to have a Spektrum version of 4G3. This will be kinda long term project to me.
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post Jun 22 2009, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 22 2009, 02:38 PM)
not enuff details laa .. show abit then dont show abit ... i tot i heard that fella in the video mention 2S powered one leh

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He use 2S cause he is using Trunigy ESC. If you use walkera should be alright. but 2S got more power and longer fly time isn't it? brows.gif
I think the video is quite straight forward.
2S Lipo not expensive too.
http://www.rcsmart.com.my/webshaper/store/...roductItem=1800

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post Jun 22 2009, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 22 2009, 03:15 PM)
if 2S then i have oso read very limited options for powerful motors ...
u would have oso noted he was using 2 x 1S lipos in series i think (have to go back check video see see) ... the extra weight really killing the flight times and flexibility of the 4g3


Added on June 22, 2009, 3:20 pm

serious sheet u running mode 3 ah ?? mode 3 and 4 very rare one worrr
esky tx got mode 3 one meh in the 1st place ??

if u are really running mode 3 then be prepared to relearn everything ... happened to me coz my stoopid esky dauphin that poisoned me dunno how the seller go put it in mode 4 ... and i dunno nothing at the time so i just whack la

since i got my 4g3 i relearned mode 2 ... took me more than a month to relearn everything in handling the tx
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BTW it is a starting... the rest of the problem we'll have to solve it ourselves. There's a lot of way going towards the destination, isn't it?
Maybe if you are able to mod it differently and giving more pros than cons compare to the stock, then it proven that you are successful.
I do like to brainstorm it myself, other people's idea is juat a guide.
Enjoy the feel of every success projects = pricesless.

Mode 3??? shocking.gif Mostly people use mode1 / 2 unless you mod it yourself to suite you. A good radio should be able to do it.
Heard people mod TX before.
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post Jun 22 2009, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck06 @ Jun 22 2009, 05:09 PM)
I just found the website how to switch to mode 1 or mode 2....hehe
Mode
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Why switching while you can get a original? biggrin.gif
What we normally use here is Mode 1, unless you are going for your own mode 3.
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post Jun 23 2009, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 23 2009, 09:08 AM)
my windings still damm ugly la compared to those ppl who do winding .. hahahahaa ... but as long as it works smoothly good enuff for me liau tongue.gif
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post Jun 23 2009, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 23 2009, 09:24 AM)
hopefully not laa .. the last winding starts very smooth .. no stutter at all
power can maintain well no dropout ... so quite satisfied liau

when u guys get your 4g3 ... and need to rewind brushless tail .. u know where to get wires lor .. huahahahahaaa

ps .. the 2g tail cannot be rewound coz it has no bearings .. once the housing pops out then its bye bye motor liau tongue.gif
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Great that there's no problem, next time can do it for us? brows.gif
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post Jun 23 2009, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 23 2009, 11:13 AM)
this one deserves straightforward answer .... CANNOT !!!

but i can send u some wires for u to do yourselves la .. hahahahaa
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Hahaha~ alright then. biggrin.gif
Wait untill we got our very own 4#3 or 4G3, then we might ask help from you, not to rewind but just advise la.. laugh.gif
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post Jun 23 2009, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 23 2009, 11:59 AM)
here is a video of me TRYING to hover the 4G3 ... hehehe



just in case the flash thingy in LYN not working for UTube .. heres the link tongue.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOk_lFG5UyY
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Wow, nice~~ rclxms.gif thumbup.gif
When going to spektrum and HH it?

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post Jun 23 2009, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 23 2009, 12:30 PM)
u sifoo liau maa ... got sifoo to guide u and to sell u things oso .. hehehe

i damm kow hard have to read like hell and crash like hell to learn tongue.gif


Added on June 23, 2009, 12:32 pm

upside down ??
u can try it when u get your 4G3 laa .. hehehe
me newbie so dunno/cannot do for now tongue.gif
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You can do inverted la.. since you spend so much time in the sim... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 23 2009, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 23 2009, 02:37 PM)
sim can do whatever u like without the fear of crashing leh ... real thing the fear comes automatically one .. hehehe
in the sim i can do alot of things .. i will prolly need big space to even try to do inverted .. but nose in and ff 1st laaa

have u done inverted flying in your 450 or not ?? sim dont count tongue.gif


Added on June 23, 2009, 2:43 pm

actually now i dont crash much anymore since last weekend ... coz last weekend i nose dive the 4G3 into the ground at BTHO there
wind blew the thing further and further away ... plus the tail abit erratic and keeps swinging front and back ... DIE lorr
it flew from about 15ft up straight into the ground .. lipo flew off .. the damage is only bent rotor shaft ... maybe the skid broke at that time too laa
after that adjust adjust and check check ... fly again liau with bent rotor shaft ... huahahahahaa

ya . the hbfp should be cheaper ... if my 4g3 count upgrades and spare parts i think can buy at least 4 stock hbfp liau tongue.gif
whats the flight time with a 800mah lipo for the hbfp ah ??

remember .. u are running 100% brushed ... i am running 100% brushless .. so those brushless setup all have to count oso lorr .. plus i have spares to last me the next 50 crashes (not major ones la) i think ... hahahahaa
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I even crashed in sim doing inverted hover, so what do you think? laugh.gif
Still got lot's more to master.
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post Jun 23 2009, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 23 2009, 02:55 PM)
walaneh ... inverted hover oso can crash one meh ??
actually i think hovering is harder than ff or inverted ff or back inverted etc etc
as long as the heli is in motion i feel it is easier to control rather than just sitting there hovering .. hahahahahaa

i am up to ff .. inverted ff .. normal backward flight in the sim ... inverted backward flight still cannot control yet ... but soon ... hehehe
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FF in what style will be alright provided with enough height.
Still trying to get my orientation right when doing inverted hover. Forward = backward, backward = forward
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post Jun 23 2009, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 23 2009, 03:02 PM)
wait till u try backward flight .. hahahahahaa
my cyclics on the 4g3 are not setup far to do inverted unless very high up yet
let me sort of get ff in control 1st .. boost my confidence up ... then i try inverted .. heheehhe
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Hahaha, so your walkera Tx can set to do it, isn't it?
Long time didn't touch the heli nor sim... quite busy lately.. laugh.gif
Factory business not as good as 3 months back, have to do other things for side income... rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 23 2009, 03:07 PM)
yaa .. i can see the the pot of gold at the end of the RAINBOW for u .. hahahahaa
i have tried that one b4 .. very good ... but very expensive .. after a little while it sort changed from black to grey to white elephant kinda novelty .. hehehe

the TX can do it .. but u have to do the RX 1st then go the the TX and fine tune .. thats the walkera TX la .. your dsx7 no need coz all in tx
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Hahaha, i'm not surprise that you know about the Rainbow, it's well known. But not so suitable for household in M'sia as our house are not full carpet.
But good for those hotels, kindergarten, music schools... specially those have kids around.

I'm amaze that Walkera TX can do so much, not like ESKY toy alike TX. Drop few times tak boleh pakai de.
You can get a new 4G3 and start spektrum it...


Added on June 23, 2009, 3:15 pm
QUOTE(hitz @ Jun 23 2009, 03:07 PM)
I would strongly suggest the Neon FP for learning and trashing...
Can use your DX7 with it somemore...  thumbup.gif
As part also compatible with HBFP2 on the head part... so no need to worry bout parts...
Also Ivan got keep stock for the parts...  whistling.gif
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How much is the kit??

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post Jun 23 2009, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 23 2009, 03:22 PM)
yaa ... can consider ... this weekend u going BTHO boh ?? can ask IVAN .. hehehe


Added on June 23, 2009, 3:23 pm

the esky tx for ccpm one i think oso can program one leh ... they have to let u fine tune the thing what

i demo-ed rainbow almost 10 yrs ago .. the thing i like about it is the part where it beats and sucks the dust mites out of the bed .. hahahahaa
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The find tune part not so much, have to mechanically corrected the servo arms first... very messy and inaccurate..
I used 1 week to get everything right with the ESKY Tx.. which it took me 30 minutes on the DSX7

Ya, dust mites.... lot of them.... I even put lamberger oil into the water... laugh.gif

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post Jun 23 2009, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 23 2009, 08:27 PM)
with walkera oso have to do some work with the links/arms one laa ....
even 450 helis oso sometimes need to work the links/arms one maa .. nothing is perfect unless u pay alot of $$$ to have yours custom made by pros laa .. hehehe
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For my 450, i just set all the servo value to '0', then linkage arm to where it should be near to neutral, then fine tune using the TX, neither R/L or U/D value.

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post Jun 23 2009, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 23 2009, 09:06 PM)
well .. its much easier on the 450 .. just 90* the servo horns (this one have to manually do lorr) and then the rest done from tx
on RTF setups how to give u tx that costs more than the whole setup itself ?? hehehehe
so they limited function tx lorr ... for that price

swash level and tracking oso have to adjust arms one maa .. tongue.gif
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No worries, you'll understand how easy it is when you set up your 450 Pro icon_idea.gif laugh.gif thumbup.gif
You've become more pro and pro each day. notworthy.gif


Added on June 23, 2009, 9:42 pmCheck this out... http://malaysia-rc.com/index.php?topic=8521.0

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post Jun 23 2009, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(QiW @ Jun 23 2009, 10:10 PM)
rm800+ for clone with ESC and motor ... add servos + gyro ... thats another 500-600 at least
so roughly comes to about 1400+ ... add another 100+ can get the real thing ... which one u think u will get ?? hehehehe

well ... i am putting back setting up the 450 pro .. wanna get my 4g3 into perfect condition and and do at least perfect hover laa
then i unleash my 450 pro .. by then i would have no probs hovering the thing anywhere anytime coz i can already do it on the G3 ... that cuts down crash costs alot alot alot oohhh ... tongue.gif
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Nice planning you got there. For me, a crash kit for my 450 Se V2 will do... laugh.gif
Remember to post some video next time when you can 3D your 4G3. rclxms.gif flex.gif

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