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 LYN Official FIA F1 World Championship 2007 Thread, Another McLaren 1-2

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post May 26 2007, 01:18 AM

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In F1 Magazine there is a list of how much an F1 driver earns. He earned 4M less at McLaren than he did at Renault
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post May 26 2007, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ May 26 2007, 02:04 AM)
n who is has the highest salary ya?i heard that ralf is quite hard ...but his performance  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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post May 26 2007, 11:19 PM

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Ironic isn't it that Kimi parked the same way Schummi did last year? i was LMAO when that happened. Talk about lightning strike twice. Kimi must have been under too much pressure that he made that mistake. And it was not from Massa as he was really slower than Kimi at the time.


Added on May 26, 2007, 11:25 pmOkay... I really want to strangle that Star Sports commentator.

Understatement of the session - "David Coulthard did nothing wrong when he blocked Kovalainen". Coulthard was demoted to 16th

Overstatement of the session - "Coulthard could have taken at least third on the grid if he was not penalise"

Is he ghey for DC or what?

And why the hell there was no driver's conference??? Lewis was held up by webbo and he told that during the conference.

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Lewis Hamilton has blamed Mark Webber for costing him pole position for Sunday's Monaco Grand Prix.
On his final flying lap in Saturday's qualifying, the McLaren rookie was pushing hard, however, came up behind the Red Bull of Mark Webber.
The Aussie, who was also fighting for a good grid slot in the final qualifying segment, failed to let the flying Hamilton through, costing him valuable seconds and a shot at pole position.
"My lap was really on the limit," said Hamilton. "I think I touched the barriers on the exit of Turn Four.
"I was three tenths up and I got held up by Webber. I don't know if he saw me, but he didn't let me past until Turn Eight so I lost half a second.
"I still managed to pull it back but the tyres were past their best."
The coveted grid slot, though, did go to a McLaren driver with Fernando Alonso claiming it in a time of 1:15.726.
It was McLaren's first P1 of the season and couldn't have come at a more crucial time.
"I am very, very happy, a very important pole position and qualifying had a little bit of everything going on," Alonso said.
"Qualifying has been good and to be on pole at Monaco like last year is very, very important. And to get the first pole of McLaren-Mercedes is special. I am very happy.
"I think always Monaco is very special to be on pole but also be as long as you can, you need to find a compromise.
"We will see tomorrow how our competitors found the perfect strategy and hopefully our strategy will be better.
"It will be interesting, with weather conditions as well."

I'm rewatching this on TV2.

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post May 26 2007, 11:48 PM

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No. Still delayed telecast
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post May 27 2007, 01:39 AM

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Yep, he made a mistake going in too early in the first swimming pool, and kissed the barrier there, which broke his steering column. As Brundle said, it was a weird mistake to make there, as you usually are targeting the second swimming pool kerb, thus you will slide away from that barrier.


Added on May 27, 2007, 1:41 amMassa and Ferrari are expecting rain tomorrow, and is rumoured to be on a low fuel strategy

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post May 27 2007, 10:06 PM

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Gonna watch this again on RTM tonight at 1.00am
the commentators are crappy.
"That's Heidfield in front of Raikkonen!" - It was Alex Wurz
"Kubica must have a puncture as his lap has slowed down considerbly" - he was the third fastest car on the track behind the mclaren a lap after...

And the stupidest of all, after the second stop
"Lewis is catching Fernando Alonso, and the game is on!" - McLaren drivers never race each other after the last pit stop to avoid accident and to preserve engine. The game had already ended there and then
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post May 27 2007, 10:14 PM

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Full results
1 F. Alonso McLaren 1:40:29.329
2 L. Hamilton McLaren + 4.095
3 F. Massa Ferrari + 1:09.114
4 G. Fisichella Renault + 1 laps
5 R. Kubica BMW + 1 laps
6 N. Heidfeld BMW + 1 laps
7 A. Wurz Williams + 1 laps
8 K. Räikkönen Ferrari + 1 laps
9 S. Speed Scuderia Toro Rosso + 1 laps
10 R. Barrichello Honda + 1 laps
11 J. Button Honda + 1 laps
12 N. Rosberg Williams + 1 laps
13 H. Kovalainen Renault + 1 laps
14 D. Coulthard Red Bull + 2 laps
15 J. Trulli Toyota + 2 laps
16 R. Schumacher Toyota + 2 laps
17 T. Sato Super Aguri + 2 laps
18 A. Davidson Super Aguri + 2 laps
Did not finish
19 C. Albers Spyker F1 + 7 laps
20 A. Sutil Spyker F1 + 25 laps
21 M. Webber Red Bull + 59 laps
22 V. Liuzzi Scuderia Toro Rosso + 77 laps
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post May 27 2007, 10:26 PM

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1.00 am lor. North american race are 12 hours late
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post May 27 2007, 11:28 PM

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post May 28 2007, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(-= Virgil =- @ May 27 2007, 11:49 PM)
I think the complaint isnt getting their attention, i already sent 2 emails to them and as usual, ignorance is what i get in return...

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Anyway, the McLarens earn it.

However, after this race, i am sure of 1 thing, Lewis is definitely better than Alonso. Maybe not at the experience side, but then Lewis is more steady and he never fell back due to any negative elements and this is what made him so tough on the track.

I can never forget how he pulled that 10 sec gap between him and Alonso to a 0.8 sec gap... there was little traffic and it was just pure casual driving by both of them.

Kudos to the McLarens, they deserve it biggrin.gif
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if you're talking about after the second stop, the team already told them to stop racing to conserve the car. Fernando had already slowed down considerbly during the stop because he knew Lewis was too far behind to pass him. thus that's why the lead was cut that much
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post May 28 2007, 01:58 PM

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lol. I also rolf when
James allen: "Kubica is between the McLarens and don't have to stop!".
Martin : "He's one lap down James"
James : "Oh yeah..."

Fastest Laps:

1) Fernando Alonso McLaren-Mercedes 44 1:15.284
2) Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 28 1:15.372
3) Robert Kubica BMW 39 1:16.006
4) Felipe Massa Ferrari 47 1:16.183
5) Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 54 1:16.254
6) Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 62 1:16.592
7) Alexander Wurz Williams-Toyota 40 1:16.658
8) David Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 75 1:16.786
9) Jenson Button Honda 40 1:16.802
10) Scott Speed STR-Ferrari 73 1:16.867
11) Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 70 1:16.991
12) Nick Heidfeld BMW 30 1:17.041
13) Rubens Barrichello Honda 69 1:17.080
14) Heikki Kovalainen Renault 72 1:17.100
15) Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 74 1:17.183
16) Anthony Davidson Super Aguri-Honda 63 1:17.223
17) Ralf Schumacher Toyota 47 1:17.231
18) Jarno Trulli Toyota 53 1:17.495
19) Adrian Sutil Spyker-Ferrari 34 1:17.678
20) Christijan Albers Spyker-Ferrari 70 1:17.689
21) Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 17 1:18.998
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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ May 28 2007, 06:13 PM)
Sometimes, sad to say, it was quite obvious that team orders existed within McLarens. No one in the team will admit it. It did look suspicious sometimes.
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Hmm, why do Austrian GP of '00 comes to mind?

and anyways, Ron had said that both drivers were on different strategy. Fernando with the optimum one while Lewis will come in play if a safety car were deployed. He said if there were a safety car after the first round of stop, Lewis would have won.
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Ron Dennis has admitted to telling Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso to hold station in the final stint of Sunday's Monaco Grand Prix.
During stages of the grand prix, Hamilton was pushing Alonso hard as he tried to chase down his first ever Formula One victory.
The McLaren duo traded fastest lap for fastest lap as they fought for supremacy although some times barely missing in the barriers as the team-mates battled it out.
However, in the end a voice came over the team radio telling them to hold station before one of them took themself or both McLaren drivers out of the grand prix.
As it was Alonso was leading at that stage and went on to claim his second successive Monaoc win while Hamilton had to settle for second place.
And even though the McLaren rookie's disappointment was evident at the end of the grand prix, team boss Dennis says he did what was best for the team.
"I make no excuses for instructing the racing drivers to slow their pace after the first stop," he told The Sun.
"We are scrupulously fair at all times in how we run this grand prix team.
"If we'd had a pile-up everyone would have said what an idiot the team principal of McLaren is that he allowed the drivers to compete to a level where they both end up in the barrier.
"I don't like to slow drivers down, I don't like them to be frustrated, I don't like to see these things happen because I am an absolute racer but it is the way you have to win the Monaco Grand Prix."
Dennis was also quick to deny that the Monaco result was a sign that McLaren are favouring double World champion Alonso.
"Everybody feels, I'm sure, that there is some favouritism or some penalisation that is given to Lewis or Fernando, but we are scrupulously fair at all times in how we run this grand prix team," he said.
Ron Dennis also sympathised with Lewis Hamilton after the Briton showed his disappointment at second place in the Monaco GP.
Hamilton finished second for the fourth successive time as he followed home team-mate Fernando Alonso, and the duo are now level on 38 points.
But it was a contrived one-two in many respects as McLaren organised a race strategy that effectively handed the win on a plate to Alonso.
Dennis conceded as much when he said: "We had to cope with the potential deployment of the safety car.
"So consequently you virtually have to decide in advance which one of the team's drivers will claim the victory."
Alonso - who tops the standings by virtue of his two race wins - started on a lighter fuel load and a two-stop plan, while Hamilton was initially fuelled for a one-stopper.
That catered for a possible safety car incident as had happened in four of the previous five races.

If the safety car had been deployed then 22-year-old Hamilton would have celebrated his maiden win.

As it was, he was left bemoaning playing second fiddle to Alonso, although he did just about appreciate the reasons why.
"The goal of the team is to score as many points as we can to pull away from the Ferraris, and the way to do that is to finish first and second, or ahead of them," said Hamilton.
"It would have been easy for me to push a little harder, but then maybe touch the barrier, crash, or push Fernando into a mistake.
"That would have been a negative for the team, so it was best to finish one-two.

"At the end of the day I'm a rookie, and finishing second in what is my first Monaco Grand Prix, I really can't complain.
"It is something I have to live with. I've number two on my car and I am the number two driver. Coming into the season I expected to be number two driver.
"I'm just pleased to be here. I'm still living the dream. I've been on the podium in my first five grands prix, and I hope to continue with that."
That was said with a forced smile and Hamilton was clearly not entirely happy, a situation Dennis fully appreciates.
"He is disappointed and frustrated, and I can understand that," he said.
"But he would not have been any of those things if the safety car had been deployed. He would have won the race.
"To be honest, I'm not happy not letting our drivers race, but the simple fact is it's my job, which is a difficult one at times, and this was one of those times.

"The drivers are members of this team, and they have to behave and perform as members of the team. That's the way it is."
Dennis insists the Monaco Grand Prix is a one-off, and that the two are now free to go head-to-head in the battle for the title.
"Lewis has an equal opportunity to win the World Championship," Dennis added.
"I have been monstrously criticised in the past for not favouring a driver and frittering away the opportunity of a world title.
"But we will never favour one driver over another, no matter who it is. We never have and we never will.

"Time will tell that we do not favour anybody."



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QUOTE(young_soul @ May 28 2007, 08:00 PM)
aih, they should be happy with the position already...why make so much noise in a track like this...
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because some fans and the british media want to see a Lewis win and want nothing less. Ron being Ron, wants to clarify why he did what he did. and that was for the interest of the team. Like he said, if he let them both race and crashes, he will be called stupid later.
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lol, yeah. And it's all because of Kimi's own undoing. He should have been more paitient with his car instead of pushing it
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QUOTE(bearbear @ May 28 2007, 11:02 PM)
lol how idiot can they be

Let your team mate pass = team order

Remain as their position also team order?

It's about the team interest, having both car finish and bring the gap further more and they get punish for this?

Rubbish

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reminds me of an editorial I've read after the race last night
"For a mostly boring race, McLaren did us a favour that they concealed their team orders enough just for us to think they were racing among themselves and not make the already boring race more unlikeable. If it was Ferrari, there will be a 30 second gap already by the first pit stop"
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QUOTE(karhoe @ May 28 2007, 11:43 PM)
Perhaps Lewis in Ferrari soon  biggrin.gif
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not gonna happen
- It was his dream to drive for McLaren
- His biggest investor during his days racing lower formula is Ron Dennis
- it was said that his contract is so water tight that no team can touch him for the next 10 seasons
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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ May 29 2007, 12:16 AM)
quote> Hmm, why do Austrian GP of '00 comes to mind?

rules banning team orders didnt exist then! tongue.gif
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Sadly you are so wrong. Rule banning team orders were implemented after the 1998 Australian GP when DC gave way to Hakkinen for the win after they agreed that whoever went into the first corner first will win the race. McLaren was never penalised because thye successfully argued that it was the driver's decision, not them. But the rule banning team orders started at that time.
While it was taken for granted every team used team orders while not apparent (the only team never to use this was ironically McLaren, when DC twice punted Hakkinen out of a grand Prix when the Finn was already leading the world championship in 1999), Ferrari's decision to stage the finish of the austrian GP angered FIA because it was blantant
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I do feel that Ferrari will be faster at Canada and USA, as they were faster during teh test run simulating those track at the Paul Ricard the other day. the question is can Kimi hold it together?
But this will also means that Massa can lose vital points to the McLaren duo. And the McLaren are reliable and fast enough to punish any mistake that either driver does. Remember that in 4 out of 5 GP's McLaren managed to get both drivers on the podium.
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And he didn't even read what I posted a page earlier. Lewis had more fuel, thus his start WILL BE slower. The McLaren's were on a different kind of strategy alltogether, with Fernando on an optimum strategy and Lewis on a "safety car race" strategy. That's why Fernando romped away at the beginning of the race to establish a lead because he knew that if he lagged behind, he can be leapfrogged by Lewis. Fernando knew his limit and stick to it. Even when Lewis suddenly posted his fastest lap, Fernando immediatly replied with his own (remember that wicked slide at the swimming pool?), which shows he has more in reserve.
And THIS IS monaco. where even drivers like Kimi Raikkonen kissed the barriers. No team wanted to take the chance here. And that's why after a long time, there are not many incident happen here. Personally I wanted them to race myself, but I looked at the team's interest first. Finishing 1-2 is a whole lot better than a non finish. You just wanted them to race because you wanted them to have an accident and have Massa win don't you? Bah hyprocryte!


Added on May 29, 2007, 10:41 amI like this RonSpeak™ explanation
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"Team strategy is what you bring to bear to win a grand prix; team orders are what you bring to bear to manipulate a grand prix," explained Dennis.
"We do not, and have not, manipulated grands prix unless there are some exceptional circumstances.
"For example in Australia (1998), someone tapped into our radio and instructed Mika Hakkinen to enter the pits.
"He entered the pits, but I reversed that because that was unfair. That was an outside influence influencing the outcome of the race.
"That is one of the very rare occasions there's been a team order.
"I don't feel uncomfortable with them, but I sleep easy. I have a clear conscience, both with regard to that particular race and this race here (Monaco)."


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QUOTE(verx @ May 29 2007, 02:34 PM)
The only one making himself look silly is u mate
Do u win the race at the start? Obviously not. So your post didn't make alot of sense in the first place. Read linkin's post again.
And for someone who has clear spelling and grammar errors in his post...saying my english is something wrong comes off as very hypocritical. I didn't say u said McLaren were pathetic. You said F1 is pathetic. And i just pointed out to u that it was more pathetic then. Or did u choose not to remember. I think u r the one that needs reading lessons. I could help u but i charge extravagantly.
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Well said. In the end, it's the result that matters. What FIA did is "to attract more fans" but it backfired. Want anyone to blame, blame the FIA for letting races be done in street circuit and adding two more next season.

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