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akRia	Jan 21 2007, 01:52 AM Return to original view \| Post #1
...~+noob+~... Senior Member 1,998 posts Joined: Apr 2006 From: boooolehland	OT AM with battlefury question: will mana break (mana burn) splash while damage splash ( IIRC bash do splash but % goes down)
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akRia	Jan 26 2007, 10:35 AM Return to original view \| Post #2
...~+noob+~... Senior Member 1,998 posts Joined: Apr 2006 From: boooolehland	this is the first time i see people say lvl 1 faceless kill AM in a 1 on 1. i don think faceless can match with AM in 1on1 lv 1,unless he get gaunlet and stout shield.but that also if AM didnt get stout shield and gaunlet.if both same item.i don think faceless can even run. unless faceless is play safe game style and by a pro, or else he wont survive till late game. if i see a faceless inside a game,he is food for my side for sure. even timewalk cant save him all the time.just like blink can save AM all the time.
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akRia	Jan 26 2007, 12:59 PM Return to original view \| Post #3
...~+noob+~... Senior Member 1,998 posts Joined: Apr 2006 From: boooolehland	QUOTE(sanjikun @ Jan 26 2007, 11:50 AM) why not? lv 1 timelock and lv 1 mana burn, if AM has no mana to burn AFTER FV timelocks AM, he's toast... that also is if his 10% timelock really come out just in time.AM att speed is higher than FV if not mistaken. so for me,it still based on that 10%. in term of attack speed ,AM for sure advantage (armor around the same, 4 and 4.1) base damage too, AM 56 (46+50/2 +8) while FV 61(58+64/2). when FV whack 2 times,AM already did 3. (att speed CD time).
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akRia	Jan 26 2007, 05:59 PM Return to original view \| Post #4
...~+noob+~... Senior Member 1,998 posts Joined: Apr 2006 From: boooolehland	QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 26 2007, 01:41 PM) YOu can go try AM lvl1 with mana break lvl1 vs FV lvl1, with/wihout lvl1 Timelock. Who will die 1st? AM - 454 hp min 46 dmg +10 mana break dmg http://dotastrategy.com/hero-11-MaginaTheAntiMage.html FV - 473 hp min 58 dmg http://dotastrategy.com/hero-46-DarkTerror...celessVoid.html FV win coz got extra dmg for every hits he give to AM. FV can kill range or creeps faster then AM at lvl 1 also. Mid/end game... AM maybe have slightly higher attk speed but still will lose if get stun by FV and some of AM attcks wont hit due to FV BT.. yeah.. if get Chronos by FV den AM will lose more HP and if surive sure blink and run.. Cheers, v_viper88 i donu it's correct or not but , AM's CD time for his next attack is 1.19second while FV is 1.40 second, donnu why u say FV kill range/creeps faster than AM? btw,it's from dota-allstars the time.and how FV get extra damage every hit? the 10%? anyway, if in theory talk,AM will win if less bash from FV(attack speed),FV win if every hit he give is that 10% bash. but if play by two pro in ReaL game, things might change. strategy does matter.hit and run? direct attack?so i cant say FV or AM will win for sure.
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akRia	Jan 26 2007, 09:14 PM Return to original view \| Post #5
...~+noob+~... Senior Member 1,998 posts Joined: Apr 2006 From: boooolehland	QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 26 2007, 07:45 PM) If u check my early posting, i've tested since got ppl says at lvl 1 AM can kill range creeps faster than FV lvl 1.. The results: AM with lvl 1 mana break needs 6 hit to kill a range creep. FV with lvl 1 Timelock needs 5 hit only to kill a range creep (timelock not even activated yet) So if FV and AM at lvl 1 fight, FV will win. Few 0.00+ secs diff won't have much effect at lvl 1. In real game if both heroes are good and have good items mid/end game, i'll still bet on FV coz its BT and TL already gives big advantage in 1v1 direct fight. Eg: FV at lvl 25 with Butterfly, Radiance, Burize, treads, MOM , etcs is hard to fight direct without disabling him first. High evasion, high stun and AOE dmg/stun.... AM main advantage fast attck speed but without any bashers or disabler item he wont stand any chance against FV. He'll have hard time hitting FV, alwys get timelock and even worst trap in chronos before die. Its not difficult to see who will win or have more advantage rite ? Cheers, v_viper88 mana break works on the melee creep? their base dmg is different,of cause it FV dmg creep more it not about the att damage cause kill a creep faster ,anyway im not suggesting AM is better than FV.(btw,why so hyper? ) both hero can be tapau if opponent team got 2 guinsoo
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akRia	Jan 27 2007, 10:19 AM Return to original view \| Post #6
...~+noob+~... Senior Member 1,998 posts Joined: Apr 2006 From: boooolehland	QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 26 2007, 10:23 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « U mean add extra dmg to AM base attck dmg? Yes, it add additional damage. If the enemy have mana and hp, AM mana break will damage both enemy mana and hp where it will dmg the mana more compare to the hp. If the enemy have 0 mana, AM will only have the additonal dmg add to his base attck dmg, not the full mana burn dmg. See below: Anti-Mage Mana Break () Each attack dissipates mana based on spell level. Orb Effect. Level 1 - Burns 16 mana and deals 10 damage. Level 2 - Burns 32 mana and deals 19 damage. Level 3 - Burns 48 mana and deals 29 damage. Level 4 - Burns 64 mana and deals 38 damage. I reply to the early guy tat saying AM lvl1 with lvl1 mana break can kill range creep faster and can kill FV at lvl 1 coz its wrong ma.. AM base dmg + its mana break tat deal extra 10 dmg still lose to FV base dmg. Faster attck speed at lvl 1 is not much help for AM also. FV can get wraiths or IAS item to match AM attck speed later coz FV already lead with bashing skill and evasion skill... 2 guinsoos.. wow... Guinsoo`s Scythe of Vyse $ 5175 Gives: +150% Mana Regeneration +25 Intellegence +35 Damage Activate: Polymorph 600 Range 3.25 Second Duration Tat is about 6.5 secs disable skill tat cost more than 10K for 2 Guinsoos... Faceless Void Backtrack skill can avoid being Polymorphed sometimes 25% , and if FV get Linkens, it will helps alot also and lastly the mighty BKB..... Can you stop a FV with BKB activated? Yeah, if enemy get BKB or activated avatar to vs FV, most likely they still will lose. I remember in one of the games, Naix with 2 bashers, tread, bracers activated Avatar and chiong vs FV.. but he still got trapped in Chronos and get whack to pieces. Cheers, v_viper88 brother i lazy read all your stuff la,but im sure your post sure on FV. im not talking about the attack DMG la. mana break works on hero with mana,don take Min Dmg go count la, take Max Add Min divide to get Mean (wow i love my stat ) then add in 8DMG of Mana break. Of coz FV kill a creep with less hit,coz melee creep got no mana,mana break wont work.Its so common sense but it might kill faceless in lv1,coz FV have mana,damage is almost the same like FV too.most important,mana break goes thru Armor.meaning,FV's dmg will be reduce by the 4.1 armor of AM and same goes to AM but AM have extra 8 damage that wont be reduce.so jsut like what i say,the 10% bash determine who stand till the last. (again ,im not AM favour).about FV with bkb,linken,watever la,if opponent is a player with skill,do you think we will let FV farm till that level?simply ask any player here in lyn who play in competition,will they let a FV farm till that many level3 above item in pub game? and basically,no need to "wow,2 guinsoo,10k" ,it's very to farm out ok?
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akRia	Jan 27 2007, 10:30 PM Return to original view \| Post #7
...~+noob+~... Senior Member 1,998 posts Joined: Apr 2006 From: boooolehland	QUOTE(ubhm @ Jan 27 2007, 06:22 PM) http://www.mkshare.org/726100 I've tried it on level 1 with no items and level 1 with 5 agility bracers and 1 glove of haste. Note:-I did not attribute to anything when fv was on 2. sigh, 1.21 version, i pop out "this is different version of warcraft 3",mind posting the result? Added on January 27, 2007, 10:32 pm QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 27 2007, 04:07 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « I already know you will repeat say AM will outlvl, outfarm and get better item than FV. Even when the game start with $500, FV can already can get 1 wraith. or 1/2 cirlets and 1/2 slippers or etcs Don't tell me at lvl 1 - 7 FV cant or hard 2 farm for basic items ... unless tat player is a noobie okla.. i agree. Even for average player, its shouldn't be any problem to farm against AM which is also a melee hero. Around lvl 7, FV already get 2-3 wraith and treads. This increase attck speed and will also increase the chance to activate timelock. The extra dmg from timelock + the 1 secs stun gives another free direct normal dmg hit or FV can choose to activate Chronos and its hard/no escape/blink for AM which add another 2-3 free hits. This combo deal big chunk of dmg at AM too. Most AM players get gauntlet, ror and concentrate to farm for basher...At that lvl, AM attck speed same or maybe slightly faster dpd on his item build. Even if AM go for treads and wraiths like FV, he still cant stop TL or Chronos coz no basher or disabler skill. Most of the time AM will blink and run if see FV coming towards him.. If he stay and fight, its a gamble with his hp and life. AM also will think few times to blink in harrass FV coz if the FV timelock activated, you know what will happen... Whereas for FV, no need worry so much, just farm smart and just hit AM if he come close/blink.. FV also wont just stand and let AM attck/harrass him, sure will return attack and both also get dmg.. so why you said only AM can out lvl, out farm thus getting better item? Just bcos AM attck animation faster and higher agility? How about the FV add IAS item, stun, extra dmg and the big bubble Chronos? It still cant match AM skill? Ya, dota-allstars dun have much detail info abt the extra dmg stuff... Go read at dotastrategy.com. Cheers, v_viper88 k la,FV wins don take it so serious. ITS ALL DEPEND ON THE PLAYER This post has been edited by akRia: Jan 27 2007, 10:32 PM
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