well..... proton has never been great in the engines or in the quality department......... the non-turbo model is underpowered (my opinion), the turbo model is alrite i guess(if you are not a speed freak, its good enough). Fc for the campro aint great from what i hear, the turbo models get better mileage in town AND long distance(again proton isnt gona win any awards in the engine department frugality or performance wise). Built quality and the materials in the interior aint great, cheap plastics like pretty much the other protons and after a few years they tend to rattle and creak (solvable if you put in the effort)

imo they are pretty good where the chassis is concerned, handling and safety is actually very good for for a car in that segment's pricerange. These 2 aspects are where the preve pulls ahead of its competitors

This post has been edited by lsm1991: Jul 12 2016, 09:43 AM

Mazda
-fancy car, as you mentioned, looks great, as you also know, its small
-fc is good, i really dont think the maintanance will be terrible

Fluence
-this is technically a conti....
-but its basically sushi in the form of a croissant
-less common, which is a pro and a con, pro is its unique, con is that exterior pieces might be alittle more exp to buy if you are involved in an accident (but you have insurance for that matters)
-i personally think it looks pretty
-largest of the bunch in your list here
-am going to claim that this will be the most expensive car to buy/run here, larger car, tax

Attrage
-the attrage is kinda meh now, does not look pretty, not really loaded with many goodies, basically being outperformed by its newer rivals.

alternatives:

City
-one of the best allrounders out there

vios
-you know this well, same as ever with a new dress

Lancer is good, but yea. 123k seems imposible to me.
-potong inspirak is the solution if you want a lancer.....

am ignoring all kimchi models~(elantra cerato)

what are you on about this time....

pls show me where in the world did i mention that it is better, more refined, or even more reliable than vvt......... pls find where i ever mentioned that....

*heck i would never in the right state of mind ever label a proton designed engine 'refined'*


now i will mention this tho..... whichever 'expert' claimed that the vvt in the proton engines is great is probably high on some stuff.....
this technology has been commonly used for the past 15-20 years.... if that's the best proton can do, i ant got high hopes for their engines
random examples: bmw's had vanos longlonglonglong ago, the toyota celica had it PLUS lift technology......
even the cps seem like a joke compared to the much older dinosaur vtecs, mivecs and vvtli..... (power wise)



ahh: you edited the expert to carsome huh~~ sure... give any random guy an expert title experts and they are experts.........

This post has been edited by lsm1991: Jul 12 2016, 01:15 PM

vios... no point tukarlah unless you are one of those guys who must change cars after x no of years......
toyota has been using cvt's for quite a while.... reliability sama je when compared to nissan's cvt so should be fine (u have to find out what oils they use, afaik nissan uses something a little bit more exp)

city is a good car imo you should reconsider this, just ignore the other variations since you will go for the top spec anyway

suprima is alright but.... its not really japanese while the inspira is mostly japanese
-good safety features, performance ok, looks alright, rides nice and for you.. its larrrrge

mazda 2 is more of a small sporty car.... u really have to check if its large enough for you. This is the smallest (or 2nd smallest) in your list....

again... why compare these 2... everyone has asked you the same thing over and over again... why cars from completely different segments....

why not just compare the iris vs a maybach or... mayeb even a chiron... or why not a honda cup? cause they are completely DIFERENT!

aiyah missed the russ swift demo/display models by 1-2 months... that was a reallly good deal.....

understated cars ehh?? I think there are a few.... but these are price unfairly below market in its segment

right now? if its in great cond, this is kinda worth it in my eyes and and two or 3 others that are old, more exp to mantain, 100% impractical but me likes

hmmm.... see the kind of car i like?

This post has been edited by lsm1991: Jul 13 2016, 10:04 AM

2.0 fc might not actually be higher... cause you dont need to push it so hard to move about. The thing that will make that fc go up, is the fatter heavier body. if you ask me... main costs come from the tax, insurance blabla, and maybe engine oil only... rest of it isnt very different (if you take into account similar engines)

why dont you mention exactly which models...

fresh grad... save ur $, dont convert convertlah....

used inspira
- will cost more to maintain, if you start modifying, even more so.
- me like this car, pretty decent if you ask me (look for a stock non-abused unit, generally, stock = less likely to be abused)
-i have a hatred of all cars that are kitted but have no go... same applies to those with straight pipes which scream like hell is unleashed but go nowhere. if its kited like an evo, it better be as powerful as an evo... but thats just me

new preve (i assume campro)
- is depressing... i just dont like it so im gona skip this (admitedly senang jagalagh, simple and horrible as hell engine)
used preve cfe
- alright under 40k for a 3yo used unit, cfe helps abit... more power better fc
- problem is with proton qc....

would still pick the inspira over the preve..... (i have a soft spot for the inspira)

about the roadtax figures,
1600cc rm90
1800cc rm280 (plus 190)
2000cc rm380 (plus 100)
the sicnificant jump is between the 1.6l and 1.8l.... 2.0l isnt actually that much more than the 2.0l.... if that amount is considered a problem, best you stick with the smaller engines

whatever problem the cfe has the campro has as well.... only issue the cfe had was the cooler hose which has been fixed~
the campro is underpowered.... weak engine + heavy body, not a good combination.... (preve is very fat at 1.3 tons)

really depends... but assuming mixed driving, i would say the best would be the inspira followed by the cfe then the campro.... simply because the campro is so so underpowered. It has no torque down low so you really have to push it hard (forcing you to uss more fuel) to get it going especially if you have a load.

The campro is frankly is not a very advanced engine, i would go as far as to claim that there are many engines over 10 years older which incorporate more advanced technologies


some figures for you. Note that the preve is a mix of both the cps and the turbo (assume that the campro is pulling those figures down) while the inspira is a mix of the 1.8 and 2.0 (i know the 1.8 and 2.0 manage very similar figures)
http://www.fuelly.com/car/proton/preve
http://www.fuelly.com/car/proton/inspira

fresh grad i think? hehe

inspira is good but i agree.... maintanance can be tougher.

cheapo iriz, maivee, axia, saga, persona, boleh dah...... ppl say if you are in sales u need to drive a nice car? i duno about thatlah.


when it comes to fresh grads, I always offer advice contradictory to what i did <= am genius bought a 20 yo pretty car haha


edit: e_X if u can wait, the perodua bezza is coming out soon... should be a very decent car. am not that convinced that a 1.0 can lug it around properly tho, but that remains to be seen.

This post has been edited by lsm1991: Jul 14 2016, 10:07 AM

that i agree.... 1.3 should be alright kut..... but the 1.0.... oh my....

hmmm dif segment... mazda should quite abit larger...... just go view both i guess...

kinda true.... went to see the civic, its a roomy car, if im not wrong, around 50L dif between the 2 in terms of interior space..... which do you like better?
both are very pretty cars, both come laoded with safety, just that one is newer and isnt exactly proven at the moment

if you are paying for it, i dont think your parrents really have much of a say in this, your money mah, anything wrong also keluar ur pocket haha. If they are helping pay or something then well, i think u better just drop the fluence... laterone, lets say something happens, they will harp about it all the time

if you really like the mazda, go for it! since you dont really have passengers, space should not have been a concern in the 1st place (at least you can still pick passangers up when the need arises, my car is too cramp, backseats work for legless, headless mutant humans only)

as for why you dont see so many m2's compared to hondas, well, the honda is a better 'overall' package, its a clever design packed with the latest tech and comes with lots of toys hence why its so popular

i have a solution for you....ask yourself
1)Can i afford the d segment running/maintenance costs?
if no well obviously you can just give up on the idea, if yes continue to question2
2)Do i need the space
if yes, then you need a d seg or bigger, if no you may continue to question 3
3)Why do i want a d segment
if you can convince yourself you want/need one, get one! otherwise why consider getting one?

which expert told you it is using a vios engine this time..... 1.0 and 1.3 are not even the same engines

proton,s 1.3 and 1.6 campros are basically twins with dif internals (crank shaft, pistons, that stuff), so yes one can call them basically the same engine (ecu is also the same) but this and the vios... NO

EDIT:grammar

This post has been edited by lsm1991: Jul 16 2016, 02:30 PM

macam tu, maybe can just forget the fluence, i guess you are a non married young fella so, no real need for such a big car anyway......

actually it sounds like you have done alot of repairs on the vios.... why not keep it around for a while since its fine now. Sounds like an older car so, u wont lose that much in resale even if u keep it around anyway.

dont think that was a complement......

How is that bothering me? and what on earth would lead you to think that I would care....

enjoy yourself....
i didnt know the bezza was under 30k..... and i did not know that the bezza falls under the b/c segment.....

going to be frank with you...... i dont think there exists a decent japanese b/c segment newer than 2010 for below 30k, and in my opinion, any korean b/c car under 30k isnt really worth getting

zenix already answered a similar question recently.... (just roll a few pages back and check) but newest car in that list was like... 2009-2010? (iirc)