you need to ask our Iriz expert andrewyu2005

Actually there are no major issues with the Civic 9gen, only thing is the engine is not a K20 DOHC i-VTEC but a R18 SOHC i-VTEC (kenot gloat during car club meeting so remain 2"), then the styling is pretty boring, other than that it is a decent car.

Good FC, good power for 1800cc, not too expensive to maintain for 1800cc engine, etc.

You should check if the owner sent the car to do all the honda recalls of late.

Go for the Inspira, read my comments about it few pages back.

let me add a few points.

Airtrek = SUV/crossover
Caldina = stationwagon

how can Caldina be "taller"?

ah....another month already....time to poison someone

hehe....of course....many conman there
what you're looking for?

materials itself oredi know difference

isn't it sticky on the first page?
y u no read first page?

well....

let me put it this way.
some smart fella thought that if he can get some Japanese certification then he can sell the cars at higher price.
most malaysians will fall for this because we're sucker for anything Japanese and sucker for certifications.

so what if you bought a lemon, what can GK do for you?
well i guess it can be a document that you can use in your case/defense/demand.
but sellers will always try to put the blame to the customer.

e.g. brake problem they'll say "wear and tear issue caused by driving habit" then how burn the paper?

same like hiring fresh grads of "certs" now, do they perform better than SPM guys?

Is like the difference between a Booger and a Golden Shower.

if i'm your good friend then you ask me my opinion about two sisters coz you considering marrying one of them.

A - fat landwhale with personality disorder but is a good with children
B - skinny semi-sexy gold digger but is a good cook

what am i supposed to say?

Choose A at least if you convince her to slim down you're left with a sexy psychopath who's good with kids?
Choose B if you manage to make her fall in love with you, technically you should be ok

however, since they cut corners on many things i'm actually concerned with the chassis and safety aspects, since those are things you cannot visually see or test unless during an accident

Mazda2 is B-segment so of course space wise it isn't going to be as good as C-segment cars. I'm not going to talk more on this because with your budget you should try to maximize it to get a C-segment.

Attrage is an A-segment. I'm not going to talk more on this because with your budget you should try to maximize it to get a C-segment.

Fluence is a C-segment car, so that alone it already wins the Mazda2. 5influence is a good package. But first things first where do you live, and are you in a 5km radius of a Renault SC/3S? From my previous experience those pickup services doesn't cover everywhere (unless they've upgraded and use Uber or Taxi service as a proxy) when I was staying in Shah Alam and the C&C (Mercedes) didn't have a 3s at Shah Alam yet the pickup service was spotty sometimes got sometimes don't have until you complain. Looking at the technical information of this car it looks to be a reskin of the Nissan Sylphy, similar as how the new Proton Perdana is a reskin of the 8gen Honda Accord. I think parts and maintenance cost isn't an issue since after 5 years you can opt out and service at workshops outside and use cheaper Nissan Sylphy parts or common OEM parts. It should be an okay purchase just think of it as a more nicer looking Sylphy. Fluence is better than Sylphy on a few points because it has ISOFIX seats, cruise control, european design and slightly better quality interior. But still missing from it would be ESC (electronic stability control) as in the Sylphy.

Lancer/Civic/Altis/Mazda3 are all above 100k, the closes one to your budget would be the new Civic at around 115k and the stock clearance price of the previous Civic, I've been told by SA's it is about 90k for the base 1.8 model. However, if you're keen on getting this deal go around a few showrooms and ask around because usually Honda is very smart in silently clearing stock at full price before launching a new model. If you're able to bag a 1800cc Civic for 90k from a non performing dealer then it is probably the best car you can buy.

VW Jetta stock clearance price for 2015 cars are in the 70-90k range. Specs, power, fc, space, it has everything and even better than the Civic. However, just take note the 1.4TSI engine and 7speed DSG are potential time bombs.

2010 Toyota Mark X 2.4 Zio - since your budget goes to 100k range let me show you a few recon/unreg cars to consider. Unfortunately a sedan version of the Mark X isn't available at the moment for your price range but the Zio (MPV/stationwagon version) is available. So basically it is a wagon version of the sedan, and it is D-segment. Upgrading to this from your Vios would be a huge upgrade because D-segment brings in a few refinements not found in C-segments like, bigger interior space, better materials for interior, more gadgets on your steering wheel, push start, etc. And being JDM you can expect it to have more than 2 airbags, full array of system systems like ESC, ABS, EBD, BA, etc. Don't worry too much on the maintenance side (I know the sedan version uses a 2.5 which is the same as the Lexus IS250) this one uses a 2.4 which is the same as the Camry and Estima. I know there are some "younger" 2011-2013 Toyota Wish in this price range too but imho their interior is kinda like other C-segments. If you're wondering what is the competitor to the Zio then it is the Honda Odyssey because their both low slung wagons without van like sliding doors.

Talking about under appreciated cars. If you happen to find this on sale. Grab it. It is basically a VW Golf MK5 in a sedan body. Being a Skoda it should be dirt cheap too.


2010 Toyota RAV4 2.4 - for that kinda price why not consider something from the recon/unreg world. You'll be paying about the same but of course you'll be getting a much better car either JDM or export spec. Click on the advertisement and see the pictures and specs for yourself, it is all good. Plus you know with Toyota the car is reliable, good fc, and spare parts are cheap. Plus also instant approval from your in-laws FaMa. Parts and maintenance isn't going to cost you a bomb even-though it is an imported car because it shares the mechanical parts especially the engine with Camry (ASV40) and Alphard (AH30) specifically the 2AR-FE engine. I think this would be a super upgrade for you.

meaning the car is actually pretty decent but it is below market price?

i think the market price is a fair representation of the cars/brands we have.

Toyota/Honda/Merc - usually have high resale value because they produce pretty good and reliable cars. in the past their sales were so good that distributors and stockist even bothered to source for cheaper parts from overseas because there is margin and volume.

Nissan/VW - Nissan has (and VW will follow soon) itself in the foot by playing around with their car prices too much especially with their overtrade policy, they buy from the consumer at slightly higher than market rate then dump into the market at slightly lower than market rate, this forced the used car dealers to go even lower to be able to sell their cars. I think they've stopped this practice but the damage has been done, Nissan doesn't have a high RV like THM.

All other conti - depreciate like a rock not because the cars aren't good but parts are expensive and buyers normally just keep them around until warranty over then sell them on, with many willing to even sell at below market price to "get rid" of the car before expensive maintenance schedule or parts replacements are needed. The problem is expensive parts is because it is monopoly by the brand owner, due in part there isn't enough volume for stockist to bring in cheaper stock from overseas. Imagine they bring in one container of brake pads for Citroen, he retire also not yet finish selling.

This post has been edited by zenix: Jul 13 2016, 11:51 AM

I think Fluence or Sylphy are realistic targets for a new C-segment car.

City is a realistic target for a B-segment car as a C-segment replacement, although slightly smaller the stretch rear helps to give your passengers extra legroom, plus in terms of safety systems and accessories it blows the Fluence and Sylphy out of the water. So unless you're able to get a Civic at a huge discount there really is no better car. New stock for City should have all the recall updates already done before you collect the car, if you're worried about it make sure they provide you proof that it has been done in case you need to sue them later

Also if you think the Honda CVT has problems I'm going to make an evil laugh coz the CVT in Mitsubishi/Nissan/Renault are even more terrible.

Attrage/Mirage are modern A-segments can't really compare with older ones like Kancil, Viva, etc because those are real death traps and have cramped interior.

2012 Nissan Latio 1.6 - this one comes with factory fitted Impul bodykits so it would appeal to your "all show no go" philosophy. It is pretty good looking in stock condition, and I don't think you'd need to change anything or you could change to bigger rims and lower profile tires which will result in poorer fuel economy and unreliable odometer reading but it will look cool. You can get the rims at the infamous kedai papan at Klang on the cheap if you trade-in your more tough and reliable OEM but boring rims it would cost you around RM600-800 for a set of 16-18" rims (this is a C-segment so it can fit 18" rims) and cheapo tires with brand names like Simex, Triangle, Westlake, etc. Maintenance wise it is about there with Honda City and Toyota Vios being in the 1500-1600cc engine category you can also opt to use cheap mineral based engine oil to save money, but most likely you'll need to change it often because with such a sporty looking car I doubt you'll drive it like a grandpa. It is cheaper to change mineral oil often than semi-syn anyway and don't fall for the 10,000km fully synthetic trap.

If you can't afford the extra RM100 difference between 1800cc and 2000cc roadtax you've no idea the world if shit you're getting yourself into.

They are clearing stock at around 90k plus.

sos

Since you're going to be taking up a loan for this car then your choices are cars 2006 or younger.

2009 Nissan Sentra 1.6 - it is always recommended to get a car as young as possible that meets your requirements and loan, I know Altis is a choice but it would be older, although the Sentra is based on older technology the production only stopped around 2009 so therefore the car is still relatively new (7 years old). At this price range you can't be too fussy on certain things if you want a younger car which I recommend for non-car person buyers due to lesser potential issues. Not much to choose from and I'm not loving this particular advert because it isn't all stock/original looks to be modified.

2009 Nissan Latio 1.6 - this is a C-segment like the Sentra and is based on a newer design and platform so of course passive safety aspects like a more rigid body with accident crumple zones are incorporated into this car, however it is still pretty basic C-segment like the Sentra without things like rear disc brakes but it has ABS but doesn't have stuff common in C-segments now like BA (brake assist) and EBD (electronic brake distribution), they both lack ESC (electronic stability control e.g. VSA in honda and VSC in Toyota) but it is also missing in most Nissan's except higher range like Serena and Teana. However, you get a much more spacious interior and boot space compared to the Sentra. Maintenance would be about the same for both cars as they're both 1600cc engines and from Nissan, Nissan parts are easily available and cheap.

2007 Honda Accord 2.0 - however, if safety and comfort aspects are important to you maybe you should consider an older D-segment. Unfortunately, even 10 years old this is another 10k from your budget but looking around there are Toyota Altis 1.6/1.8 in similar price bracket so why not choose a D-segment? The roadtax and maintenance difference between 1.8/2.0 is negligible but the benefits are a bigger and more comfortable family car and a full array of safety elements like ABS, EBD, BA, VSA, etc. Since your drive to work on mostly on highways anyway the fuel consumption difference between 1.6/2.0 is also negligible as 2.0 performs better on highways. Unfortunately that would mean the car is older and might be some repairs are needed so it is best to get a friendly mech to help you inspect before purchasing.

It isn't impossible to get a good deal at this price range but must be more prudent.

would be another land whale with micro heart like the attrage

what to do?
people want cheap

If 60k is the absolute number then your choices are pretty limited to Nissan Almera (lowest spec), Toyota Vios (J-spec) or Mitsubishi Attrage.
Any of these cars interest you?
FC wise Almera/Attrage doesn't cut it unless you drive like a grandpa.
Vios is pretty decent for FC but technology wise it is pretty dated.
Safety wise in this price range there isn't anything amazing.

Things would change if you want to consider local cars from Proton/Perodua or even Koreans.
Let me know what you think.

One is a used D-segment car another is a new C-segment car.
Apple and Watermelon cannot be compared.

2011 Merc C200 - if you're thinking of the Civic Turbo then I'm assuming you've got the budget up until 130k with that kind of budget and your requirements why not consider a recon/unreg instead of used? You're able to fetch a pretty good Merc recon for that price. It would be a great family car because it is a C-Class it has the space, comfort, luxury and safety equipment you wanted in the Mazda6 but this C200 even has more and is better. Then it also has the performance you'd want from the Civic, as this is a 1800cc turbo charged engine (Merc lingo CGI engine = turbo), now this is not crazy performance turbo like that in an Evo. GTI or Impreza, like most modern turbo's it is meant more for fuel economy and passing emissions but c'mon it is a German car they don't make wimpy engines so it is going to be pretty quick much quicker than the Civic despite it's bulk but it is not going to surge ahead and give you whiplash like an Evo, you've gotta test drive to understand. Maintenance part well as you can see this model of Merc is everywhere and there are many Merc specialist around so don't worry about expensive maintenance, I'm not saying it is going to be cheap to maintain like a Civic it would be in the range of a Mazda6, Camry, and other D-segments generally. An advantage of recons/unreg over used is dealer warranty and new car interest rates.

Lol! twice you defended the Mazda2 without backup, i guess you really like it, just buy it then
What you mean buy buy tax and fc tak buli?
That's just silly nonsense excuse to exclude City

Old tech engine = cheap to maintain and decent fc, however travelling on highways often like you do you'll feel the car underpowered and fc not as good.
Safety = with just 2 airbags and an old tech chassis, i wouldn't say it is safe for highways speeds.



4 star for adult occupant
48% for child occupant

do you really want to buy this?

there was a reason why i didn't even bother to talk about this crap in my first reply.

nope, they'd make more money fixing cars then going with you on a joyride.
if you have a mechanic/workshop you always go to and trust them.
drive the used car over the workshop then ask them to inspect it there.
if the seller disagree then find another seller, or just pay rm5 for the petrol.

I think for your budget the best (on paper) in terms of FC and Safety would be Perodua's new car the Bezza as the advance version comes with quite alot of stuff including ESC.

2015 Honda Jazz Hybrid 1.3 - if you're willing to look into used cars here is an option you can consider. It looks like a showroom/demo car in a used car dealer lot. Although stated manufactured in 2015 do check the car card of the original manufactured date because I think 2015 is when it got registered not manufactured as if I am not mistaken Honda Malaysia received a few batches of these Japan CBU's which I think the last batch was in 2014 so it could be made in 2013, anyway don't worry about it being that old if it is really a showroom car the mileage and usage shouldn't be very high. And there is a longer warranty period (from Honda) for all HYbrids so don't worry the warranty starts from the date of registration so if it is registered in 2015 you have until 2020 to make a claim (or maybe by Wawasan 2020 Proton already better than Honda).

In terms of FC you can't beat a hybrid, it will be better than anything else on the market. I've driven this car before it feels very powerful and peppy for a Hybrid thanks to the IMA boost and CVT gearbox. Don't worry about this CVT it is made in Japan so quality assured just remember to maintain it well, the only expensive part about maintenance for this car is the CVT gearbox fluids as the 1300cc engine doesn't require much TLC and the IMA (electric engine) requires almost no maintenance.

In terms of safety you've the full gamut of features from ABS, EBD, BA, VSA and 6 airbags. Also comes with ISOFIX seats (baby chair). It is pretty loaded and if you sit inside this Hybrid and the ones made in Thailand (the ordinary Jazz) the materials and build quality is vastly superior.

As close to a new car with all the benefits you need and more under budget. This used to be a 90k car if sold new

Honestly it is crap.
If you're thinking of long term look for a Japanese car that doesn't use CVT.

So you rather buy a Mazda6 at 100k without warranty than consider an unreg Merc with warranty

It is true that the Mazda2 (not freaking M2 ok?) uses Skyactiv technology so it's fuel economy is close to that of a hybrid. If you wanna compare it that way then all B-segment cars no need to talk already. I find it kinda cramped but if you're not big sized and tall and you're a lonely driver usually and mostly for work and without family man duty then Mazda2 is the car, no need think already.

If you got go outstation and need bigger car for family man duty then you need a C-segment like the Fluence/Sylpy, else you're better off with a B-segment. Road tax is something that comes up once a year so if you can't pay that 300+ once a year for road tax you should stop thinking even of B-segment maybe your finances more suitable for A-segment car like Attrage or local car like Perodua Bezza. Also you like having a unique car but do you know that uniqueness means less critical mass means less distributors would bother to keep parts for it meaning you're going to get locked in to only buying parts at a higher price from the SC/3S. So if you cannot afford that roadtax, don't talk about this factor, you should be finding the cheapest thing on the market. I'm suggest maybe Vios.

Step1: think of what you will use it for.
Step2: how much you can afford to pay every month to the bank? or one lump sum?
Step3: how much you can afford for maintenance every 2-3 months?

then only look for a car.
looking for car then fitting it into those steps above is the wrong way about it.

LOL!
It is true that Daihatsu/Perodua source their engines nowadays from Toyota for their cars but the 1300cc in the Bezza isn't even the same as the 1300cc in the Myvi so how come you're so confident it is the same as the 1500cc in the Vios?

pillow talk with paul kua

I'm getting a clearer picture now.
I think you've been here to ask this before.
And I thought you're going to repair and keep the Vios.
Although repairs are cash it would only hurt for that short period once it is sorted you practically have a free car.
Vios is built pretty well so unless there is something horrifically wrong with it RM1000-20000 should be able to sort it out.

2007 Skoda Superb 2.8 V6 - a little known and underappreciated car. It is from the same stable as Volkswagen and Audi but the runt of the lot is made in Czechoslovakia not Germany. Technology and specs is the same as the German counter parts which is why eventhough it is a dead brand in Malaysia you don't have to worry about parts because you can either use VW/Audi parts (the SC is going to charge and arm and a leg though) or Dunia Prestasi Auto (Berjaya) which is the official importer/distributor for Skoda before they stopped the brand but the company is still around but they're handling other brands now. You also have the option to get things done at Singapore they've better equipped SC there, and finally if you're savvy enough you can get the contacts from Skoda Club members to get things done I know one shop in Jalan Ipoh that carries Skoda parts and also they have links to websites overseas to bring in parts cheap. If the 2800cc roadtax is too much for you then you may consider the 2005 Skoda Superb 1.8 Turbo which is the same car pre-facelift but otherwise the size, quality and safety aspects are the same. The 1800cc turbo is lifted from the same stable as the older VW Passat and Audi A6, which is a TFSI 1800cc turbo engine mated to a 6 speed automatic slush box (not DSG don't worry about DSG failure coz at this point in time DSG still under R&D).

2011 Nissan Latio Sedan 1.6 - read my reply below.

Refer to below.

RM500/month * 7 years + RM5000 downpayment = RM40,000 budget not RM50,000.
From the revised budget you should be able to buy the lower spec Bezza.
From what I know you're not losing much of the safety features mostly accessories, and only the range topper advance gets the ESC.

2011 Nissan Latio Sedan 1.6 - you should consider the Nissan Latio over City/Vios because those are high RV cars so you've to pay more for younger cars or to keep it within budget you've to settle for older ones, this particular advert is for a 2011 car (5 years on is still quite okay). In terms of technology it is quite basic like the Vios the engine and gearbox are standard types with nothing fancy to go wrong so it is easier and cheaper to maintain. It should be slightly cheaper to maintain than City because regular gear oil is cheaper than CVT oil. As for space the Latio is a C-segment (or jumbo B-segment if you will) so it gives you more space than Vios/City driving around will be more comfortable for you and passengers.

2013 Nissan X-Gear 1.6 - although it is not a sedan I thought I show you this as it is a very underappreciated car from Nissan thus even for a quite new car it depreciate like a rock but it is actually a pretty good car. It uses the same engine and gearbox as Latio/Livina. Space wise it is bigger than Latio, it is a full size C-segment crossover/wagon. I think for your budget this is a good deal.

I smell a scam going to happen.

Check out the Nissan Latio in my reply earlier, 40k for 2011 car.

IRIZ, dun forget IRIZ!

told u to find civic clear stock earlier dowan listen.......news is no more clear stock for unreg.....got demo/company reg cars for sale at 92k

nissan and mitsu's are pretty underrated
you wouldn't believe the price of a colt turbo

one look at the car card know oredi
another one

Colt has a 4g15 turbo iinm.
Surely much much quicker than the Swift Sport.
Although I do think that the Swift Sport does have a better sorted chassis and corners better, it can't keep the Colt from overtaking forever

Saga 3 coming soon, happy mou?

Honda Jazz is a B-segment. Even though usually I've a preference for Japanese makes because they usually have a good balance between performance, fuel economy and upkeep. I think you might want to skip this particular model. The most excellent model of Jazz is of course the Hybrid with all the accessories, safety features, etc. It is a good car and isn't too expensive in the used car market. However, we don't know whats the long term upkeep of hybrids would be like so for that reason the hybrid is out as you want to keep it for a long time. The current model isn't going to be with that price range yet but don't worry I wouldn't say it would be good for you as it uses a CVT, and long term CVT gearbox upkeep and reliability is still quite sketchy. So to be on the safe side you can look for 2010 Honda Jazz 1.5 which is the model one generation behind the current one which uses a 5 speed conventional automatic gearbox. Looks aside the current one doesn't look like a big upgrade so most people can't tell anyway. There are some issues with this model, although reliability of the engine and gearbox is very good. The 5AT gearbox ratio's isn't quite well mated to the engine thus this generation of Jazz (and City) isn't known for fantastic fuel economy. Outstation trips I would say it is okay if it just you and a partner but it isn't something I'd wanna use to carry 4 adults and luggage to balik kampung further than 100km.

Proton Inspira is a C-segment. I think it's a good compromise in terms of looks, space, economy and functionality. Fuel economy is pretty good. It is relatively cheap to maintain for it's segment. But on reliability side it would be in the same situation as the Jazz as it uses a CVT gearbox, but there is a manual option and manuals are bullet proof would last over 10 years so that's the one you should get.

Perodua Bezza is an A-segment. Basically it is a sedan version of the Axia. Similar cars to it would be like the Mitsubishi Mirage and Attrage. I'm just guessing the Bezza is going to be a long queue so you might want to consider buying a new Mitsubishi Attrage it is also within your RM55k budget since they're running promotions and rebates. We're still getting more information on the Bezza but from what I can see so far the Attrage and Bezza are quite similarly spec'ed except for the Bezza Advance which has ESC (stability control; I think a first in this segment for Malaysia) but that model is above 60k iinm. I wouldn't say it is a good or bad car, I guess for the budget and you want a new car Bezza/Attrage would be it, quite updated in terms of safety technologies too eventhough the Attrage and Bezza (except Advance) lack ESC. It does have an eco certified engine and friends that have been using Mirage say it is a peppy engine and doesn't feel too underpowered except on full load (and to be honest any car on full load feels like crap) but I can't really take it seriously as an outstation car with that small engine. A-segments are best as in-city only cars best not to use on outstation trips.

Sorry, I forgot.
What is your budget range again?

That's good but if my math is correct it should be 3600 per year in that case.
I would say that is C/D-segment money for maintenance there.
But outside workshop, not service center.

shipping, insurance and tax is all cash terms.
do abit of research on this before you commit to set a budget aside.
you can get an idea of the container charges here.
if they didn't take care to ship it over, the car might not be in very good condition when it arrives.

2011 Nissan Latio Sedan 1.6 - you should consider the Nissan Latio over City/Vios because those are high RV cars so you've to pay more for younger cars or to keep it within budget you've to settle for older ones, this particular advert is for a 2011 car (5 years on is still quite okay). In terms of technology it is quite basic like the Vios the engine and gearbox are standard types with nothing fancy to go wrong so it is easier and cheaper to maintain. It should be slightly cheaper to maintain than City because regular gear oil is cheaper than CVT oil. As for space the Latio is a C-segment (or jumbo B-segment if you will) so it gives you more space than Vios/City driving around will be more comfortable for you and passengers.

2013 Nissan X-Gear 1.6 - although it is not a sedan I thought I show you this as it is a very underappreciated car from Nissan thus even for a quite new car it depreciate like a rock but it is actually a pretty good car. It uses the same engine and gearbox as Latio/Livina. Space wise it is bigger than Latio, it is a full size C-segment crossover/wagon. I think for your budget this is a good deal seeing that it is younger too. Tall roof line for tall people or people with long legs/torso.

Luckily my EA2A is using 4G63 and not 6A12
One thing to add, older engines more reliable but fuel economy can't compare with cars today.
280-380 is the normal return for a full tank of gas for my car.