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 NVIDIA GeForce Community V16 (welcum pascal), ALL HAIL NEW PASCAL KING GTX1080 out now

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post Jul 16 2016, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Jul 16 2016, 12:43 AM)
helo guys, Im planning to change my gpu here, currently using old ati 7950 asus top.

Now since my current card can still play witcher 3 at ultra without hairworks (40fps) and doom at ultra with 60 Fps with vulkan on, I wonder the upcoming games will be async compute heavy.

Since people already see the benefits of AC, (before vulkan my doom avg fps is 45fps) is it a good move if I move to Nvdia now? Im planning to buy the upcoming 1060 or 1070. But from what i read nvdia didnt benefit much from AC. Anyone can clarify this?
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No one knows for sure, but for now Async will only be used if the developer choose to implement it. Upcoming games with Async will be Civ VI. BF1 and Mankind Divided will have DX12 but not sure about Async.

Pascal does support Async so you dont have to worry as they will improve support for it over time, it just implement differently from AMD GCN.
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post Jul 16 2016, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(svfn @ Jul 16 2016, 01:11 AM)
No one knows for sure, but for now Async will only be used if the developer choose to implement it. Upcoming games with Async will be Civ VI. BF1 and Mankind Divided will have DX12 but not sure about Async.

Pascal does support Async so you dont have to worry as they will improve support for it over time, it just implement differently from AMD GCN.
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Hopefully, its just that this article got me worried sick, I already have enough cash to buy 1070, but then if Pascal is physically nerfed without Async Compute shaders then I wont make the jump.

Pascal Async Compute

But as far as Benchmark goes, I do hope newer drivers can push Pascal to fully utilize Async Compute, you see the feature itself made me experience the BIGGEST performance improvement in terms of driver optimization, not even overclocking can beat that improvement.

Can you imagine playing DOOM at 60fps in 1080p on ATI 7950?? A 4++ year old card?

This alone made me think that developers should think 99 times before dismissing the advantage of Async Compute for their latest games.

Since RX480 are the only latest AMD cards right now but poor mid range performance, I only have NVIDIA to vote for, but seriously hoping that NVIDIA can rectify the issue.

Can anyone share their performance boost for DOOM with Vulkan? or no difference for now?

This post has been edited by NUR_VER.3: Jul 16 2016, 01:32 AM
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post Jul 16 2016, 01:43 AM

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QUOTE(nabelon @ Jul 16 2016, 12:52 AM)
i manage to secure a palit gtx1080 jetstream at RM2649 at gemfive, shall i pull the trigger ?
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Wait for gamerock to restock. Same prize
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post Jul 16 2016, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(Demonic Wrath @ Jul 15 2016, 08:39 PM)
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Ahhh silly me. Thanks bro.
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post Jul 16 2016, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(Someonesim @ Jul 15 2016, 11:47 PM)
1070 vs 660ti
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Wow. I was considering the GTX 1080 Jetstream too, but decided not too because of its 3-slot height. But I did not notice the girth of this card seeing photos of it alone. Now seeing it next to another card, damn that's one humongous card.
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post Jul 16 2016, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Jul 16 2016, 01:30 AM)
Hopefully, its just that this article got me worried sick, I already have enough cash to buy 1070, but then if Pascal is physically nerfed without Async Compute shaders then I wont make the jump.

Pascal Async Compute

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That's an old article. Now that a definitive synthetics benchmark for DX12 with Async Compute support in the form of 3DMark Time Spy is out, you should check out those result and reviewers analysis. Already a few and the more reviews and analysis will be out in the coming days.
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post Jul 16 2016, 02:03 AM

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QUOTE(adilz @ Jul 16 2016, 01:56 AM)
That's an old article. Now that a definitive synthetics benchmark for DX12 with Async Compute support in the form of 3DMark Time Spy is out, you should check out those result and reviewers analysis. Already a few and the more reviews and analysis will be out in the coming days.
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Thanks bro, mind to share the link, i cant seem to find the direct link when i googled, all mixed up with old testing.
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post Jul 16 2016, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Jul 16 2016, 02:03 AM)
Thanks bro, mind to share the link, i cant seem to find the direct link when i googled, all mixed up with old testing.
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http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Card...ute-Performance

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/futur...k-review,1.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3095301/com...-benchmark.html

Courtesy of Demonic Wrath too.
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post Jul 16 2016, 02:14 AM

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QUOTE(adilz @ Jul 16 2016, 02:13 AM)
Thanks, will do some reading now. rclxm9.gif
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post Jul 16 2016, 02:16 AM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Jul 16 2016, 01:30 AM)
Hopefully, its just that this article got me worried sick, I already have enough cash to buy 1070, but then if Pascal is physically nerfed without Async Compute shaders then I wont make the jump.

Pascal Async Compute

But as far as Benchmark goes, I do hope newer drivers can push Pascal to fully utilize Async Compute, you see the feature itself made me experience the BIGGEST performance improvement in terms of driver optimization, not even overclocking can beat that improvement.

Can you imagine playing DOOM at 60fps in 1080p on ATI 7950?? A 4++ year old card?

This alone made me think that developers should think 99 times before dismissing the advantage of Async Compute for their latest games.

Since RX480 are the only latest AMD cards right now but poor mid range performance, I only have NVIDIA to vote for, but seriously hoping that NVIDIA can rectify the issue.

Can anyone share their performance boost for DOOM with Vulkan?  or no difference for now?
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the gains that you see on DOOM for AMD is also from Vulkan api (AMD perf bad in openGL) and not only from Async, Vulkan also utilize dedicated Async shaders which is a feature of GCN.

Pascal has new dynamic load balancer and improved pre-emption. they dont have Async shaders but that isnt necessary for Async Compute. they just used a different approach. from the benchmarks in Time Spy or DOOM Vulkan, you can see that it still yield decent gains when Async is turned on.

if you're interested you can read more here: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4s...shaders_nvidia/
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QUOTE(svfn @ Jul 16 2016, 02:16 AM)
the gains that you see on DOOM for AMD is also from Vulkan api (AMD perf bad in openGL) and not only from Async, Vulkan also utilize dedicated Async shaders which is a feature of GCN.

Pascal has new dynamic load balancer and improved pre-emption. they dont have Async shaders but that isnt necessary for Async Compute. they just used a different approach. from the benchmarks in Time Spy or DOOM Vulkan, you can see that it still yield decent gains when Async is turned on.

if you're interested you can read more here: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4s...shaders_nvidia/
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I see, Based from the articles given I can see the slight improvements, but not as much as ATI IMHO.

Lets see if NVIDIA can ramp the performance later in the future, since these cards are supposed to work better at 4k, it would be a shame if they cant utilize the AC for better 4k experience.

Since im buying 4 K monitor as well, I dont see other option than NVIDIA cards for now. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Jul 16 2016, 02:21 AM)
I see, Based from the articles given I can see the slight improvements, but not as much as ATI IMHO.

Lets see if NVIDIA can ramp the performance later in the future, since these cards are supposed to work better at 4k, it would be a shame if they cant utilize the AC for better 4k experience.

Since im buying 4 K monitor as well, I dont see other option than NVIDIA cards for now.  laugh.gif
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Yeap, as of to date, the only option is Nvidia. If you want AMD, then it will be a long ratchet 8 months wait for Vega, and you still wont know what you'll get.

Good that you're getting a 4K monitor. But if you can increase your budget, i recommend going for the GTX 1080 to make full use of your 4K monitor. At 4K, even GTX 1080 struggles in some games to breach 60 fps. 1070 is great at 1440P, but can still do 4K if you're willing to sacrifice quality (maybe low/ medium graphic instead of high or ultra setting). Or you can still go 1070, and SLI later (if your CPU and mobo supports)
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QUOTE(jonathan_k @ Jul 16 2016, 01:43 AM)
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do you know what different btw GameRock vs GameRock premium ? Just different clock speed? The cooler is same right ?
So we can just oc into premium speed but pay cheaper ? Or The normal version just can't promise the oc headroom.
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post Jul 16 2016, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Jul 16 2016, 01:30 AM)
Since RX480 are the only latest AMD cards right now but poor mid range performance, I only have NVIDIA to vote for, but seriously hoping that NVIDIA can rectify the issue.
RX480 doesn't have poor mid-range performance... if someday AMD manage to fix their DX11 and OpenGL driver, it will perform like GTX980 consistently. It is also limited by the reference cooler and power delivery. Aftermarket RX480 should be good, but the price might not be.

QUOTE(svfn @ Jul 16 2016, 02:16 AM)
the gains that you see on DOOM for AMD is also from Vulkan api (AMD perf bad in openGL) and not only from Async, Vulkan also utilize dedicated Async shaders which is a feature of GCN.

Pascal has new dynamic load balancer and improved pre-emption. they dont have Async shaders but that isnt necessary for Async Compute. they just used a different approach. from the benchmarks in Time Spy or DOOM Vulkan, you can see that it still yield decent gains when Async is turned on.

if you're interested you can read more here: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4s...shaders_nvidia/
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NV drivers already have compute-only queue that supports DX12 for Pascal GPUs (can be seen using GPUview, there's an additional COMPUTE_1 queue). Their Vulkan driver haven't expose it (can be confirmed in the VulkanCapsViewer on queue families).
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Jul 16 2016, 02:21 AM)
I see, Based from the articles given I can see the slight improvements, but not as much as ATI IMHO.

Lets see if NVIDIA can ramp the performance later in the future, since these cards are supposed to work better at 4k, it would be a shame if they cant utilize the AC for better 4k experience.

Since im buying 4 K monitor as well, I dont see other option than NVIDIA cards for now.  laugh.gif
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Haha same here

Awaiting the TI 1080 to fully equipped the 4k over 60fps at ULTRA laugh.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(kianweic @ Jul 16 2016, 10:12 AM)

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An obvious AMD fanboy himself, the video maker. He's asking people to take the 1060 as "not the MSRP price of USD249", and instead be more realistically priced at USD270-280, but he kept referring to his own RX480 at USD199, when 4GB cards are extremely limited in quantities and/or have sold out/out of production, and folks are more likely to get the USD239 8GB version or the AIB version priced at 249 Pound Sterling like the Sapphire Nitro.

A shill is a shill.

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QUOTE(megadisc @ Jul 15 2016, 09:56 PM)
I haven't check Singapore stores yet since its over my budget

U mau ke ???
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if possible pls do check the price.. and stock.

its the 1070 gamerock premium edition.

tq.

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