People complain for a lot less if you notice. It's because of "considerate" people that's why laws in this part of the world does not protect consumers because the majority of the people allow companies to screw us.

7L of fuel is really very little fuel submerging the fuel pump. So, try to not to run it that low la. Not good long term wise.

Just do it in a more civil way la. Applying pressure via social media doesn't always turn out good.

It is just like the airbag thing. Honda might have "really" issued out letter to a portion of owners who was identified previously to send their cars in for replacements but they did not respond. Now, when someone dies and some gory pictures turn up on the net. Everyone starts to panic on top of Honda expanding their lists of models to be have replacements and all go and flood the centers for replacements. Imagine if all this people just make noise all at the same time, how would you expect them to respond to something that is out of the normal load for their respective teams, right?

And to make matters worst. They launch a new model which will or might put additional problems for their 3s centers because they have to deal with the unknowns of the car.

So, making lots of noise might get things done for certain people but definitely not all. It all depends on who makes the loudest noise and pose the biggest thread which is equivalent to queue cutting. HM might have their priorities but those priorities are not necessarily what the people want to follow.

It is never a win-win situation either for the consumer or the manufacturer.

I stay optimistic with this. Is just a matter of time to get it unlocked.

Curious question, why leaving low fuel in the tank is bad? I have a habit of leaving it low to see how far I can go

No. Its not to let you know. The indicator that ure driving economically is the light bar at the top of your speedometer display. You can be driving un-economically even when ure in Econ mode. Econ mode is to try and help you drive economically by mainly adjusting engine output and throttle response.

This is actually a myth for modern day cars.

Cars have their fuel pumps installed inside the tank and the pump picks up fuel from the lowest part of the tank.

If there is a lot of dirt and residue, it will settle to the bottom and be picked up by the fuel pump regardless of how much fuel was in the tank.

But modern fuel pumps have a protective screen that catches any contaminant before it enters the fuel system. Anything that gets through is normally caught by a second filter closer to the engine.

But we should never run out of fuel as the fuel is actually a lubricant for the fuel pump and running out of fuel will damage the fuel pump.

The electric pump is submerged in petrol in order to cool itself down. If you leave the fuel levels too low, it will not have enough of the unit submerged in petrol and also less fluid means longer to dissipate away the heat as opposed to having more to spread the heat load. A couple of times is not damaging, but definitely not encouraged to do it long term.

Look at the below and you'll understand

http://honda-tech.com/forums/acura-rsx-dc5...al-diy-2756195/

Do you know that for civic TCP the climate control is an APP! Every time u press the climate button it launches Climate APP. I am not surprise one day it might hang!

This post has been edited by SackBoy: Jul 15 2016, 09:55 AM

Yor FC is good but normal actually. The CVT transmission is good for fuel economy but takes away some of the joys of fast overtaking and acceleration which torque converter transmissions provide.

And yes the fuel light comes on when you have about 7L of fuel left in the tank.

My first full tank FC:

Travelled 569km
50% driving at 140-150kmph and 50% in city traffic
No ECON mode
Using the fill - measure - fill method, I used up 39.77L.
Drove around 5km after fuel warning light came on.

So that works out to be about 14.3km/L using RON95.

It is already slow to me; it takes about a second for it to load up after pressing the "climate" button. Worst still, that's the only way to change fan speeds.

Are you talking about the tree icon indicator on your dash or the econ button.

I was referring to the indicator in the previous reply.

You can always use the economy gauge which is actually much better because the indicator only comes out at a certain speed and a certain condition to show that you are maximizing mileage according to petrol being burnt. The economy gauge calculates based on your revs and your engine load at the time. Give a better picture at any speed.

I always push my car to the max before I fill. Usually long after the fuel warning light has come on. Been doing this since my first car (Wira) since 2001. No problems what so ever with fuel pumps.

U need to understand that most manufacturer's would provide advanced warnings just as a fail safe not because there is any real threat. In this case, manufacturers always warn against low fuel to minimise the risk of the car actually running out of fuel. This would really damage the fuel pump. Being low on fuel does not damage the fuel pump either short or long term.

I see the problem. You are referring to older Honda models. In the new Civic, the tree symbol only comes on when you activate the ECON mode. The tree symbol is no longer the economical driving indicator. This has been replaced by the color bar at the top of the speedometer display.

Its not the only way. U can do it manually using the left dial.

complain straight to new HM CEO, then case will be solved in a short time.

Only if it is not the TC-P variant. TC-P left dial is replaced with second temperature control.

Just use the temperature control la (Auto Mode). I never used the manual fan control since getting my car. If i want the fan speed to be higher, I just decrease the temperature. If I want the fan speed to be slower, I increase the temperature. Easy wor...

No use getting dual aircond if you use manual control. Use auto mode all the way

That is for the lower 2 variants. In the TCP the left dial is replaced by the passenger temperature knob.

You can do it your way and i can do it mine. It doesn't necessarily damage the fuel pump by doing so. It just helps to extend the life of the darned thing. Manufacturers actually do take into account the amount of heat it will generate in the event of low submerging and the unit will be able to operate without generating too much excessive heat that it will damage itself. But, heat as to many things is not good as it will cause accelerated wear. This is where i am coming from. Never have i once state that it will damage things, but just shortening life span which might be long by any means according to how fast we swap cars nowadays.

Yes, the indicators is just to combat ding bats so they don't really run out when the really indicate an actual low level of petrol in the tank.