Been using panasonic for 7 years.. no problem
Looking for good water heater, water heater with pump preferable
Looking for good water heater, water heater with pump preferable
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Jul 30 2017, 05:00 PM
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Been using panasonic for 7 years.. no problem
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Jul 30 2017, 07:57 PM
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i'm currently using pensonic. bought from aeon big for 280++ with pump. So far no complaints.
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Jul 31 2017, 11:06 AM
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I'm using Alpha. 7 and a half years with no issues.
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Aug 1 2017, 07:14 PM
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Is Elba reliable?
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Aug 1 2017, 08:11 PM
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Panasonic best!
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Nov 19 2017, 07:46 PM
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Nov 19 2017, 11:33 PM
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Nov 20 2017, 10:57 PM
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I need to find and buy a new water heater. I found information about the difference between an electric and a gas water heater https://www.newtanklesswaterheaters.com/wat...know-pros-cons/
I am in need of more information. My contractor recommended a electric tankless water heater but they don’t make it now I feel he is not the best source of information either. What can you recommend? |
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Nov 21 2017, 08:31 AM
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QUOTE(Chintu @ Nov 20 2017, 10:57 PM) I need to find and buy a new water heater. I found information about the difference between an electric and a gas water heater https://www.newtanklesswaterheaters.com/wat...know-pros-cons/ Tankless or instant is when you want ease of use and no hacking. It is not ideal for long duration high volume flow esp rain shower but can still work. Built-in pump is optional for condo (usually not necessary) but mandatory for top floor landed.I am in need of more information. My contractor recommended a electric tankless water heater but they don’t make it now I feel he is not the best source of information either. What can you recommend? Tank storage hot water is when two or more bath outlets require centralised hot water. Assumes hot water plumbing already installed otherwise need to hack. Centralised is natural stepping stone to installing other centralised hot water systems like solar hot water or gas as the central hot water plumbing distribution is already there. Here the centralised tank will be relegated to backup heater on continuous rainy days. Pump is required for all top floor bathrooms or where pressure is weak. This post has been edited by halcyon27: Nov 21 2017, 09:38 AM |
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Nov 21 2017, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Nov 21 2017, 08:31 AM) Tankless or instant is when you want ease of use and no hacking. It is not ideal for long duration high volume flow esp rain shower but can still work. Built-in pump is optional for condo (usually not necessary) but mandatory for top floor landed. Thank you for your advice!Tank storage hot water is when two or more bath outlets require centralised hot water. Assumes hot water plumbing already installed otherwise need to hack. Centralised is natural stepping stone to installing other centralised hot water systems like solar hot water or gas as the central hot water plumbing distribution is already there. Here the centralised tank will be relegated to backup heater on continuous rainy days. Pump is required for all top floor bathrooms or where pressure is weak. Which pump would you recommend to choose? |
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Nov 22 2017, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE(Chintu @ Nov 21 2017, 08:07 PM) I take it that you live in a landed then? The Panasonic models are good..They have been around for a long while. If your looking for a dedicated centralised water pump, refer to this thread. But I strongly don't recommend dedicated centralised pump unless used with centralised heater storage tank. Too many things can go wrong with two separate systems and a pressure reducer will have to be installed before the instant water heater. |
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Nov 27 2017, 10:38 PM
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Nov 28 2017, 12:01 PM
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how about Sharp WHP315. come with 5 year warranty for pump and heater?
https://www.lazada.com.my/sharp-instant-wat...r-19004129.html |
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Nov 28 2017, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(Andy^L @ Nov 19 2017, 07:46 PM) it's pensonic. using it for my guest bathroom which is seldom used. Model is 967ep i think. for master room toilet, i am using panasonic. http://www.lazada.com.my/panasonic-r-serie...sc=MeoE&rb=1258 Pensonic is ac pump, abit noisy but better power. can control power. 1 year warranty on pump. Panasonic not so noisy as it is dc pump. cant control pump speed but 5 years warranty on pump. need to change shower head. the one they gave is basic. |
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Nov 28 2017, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE(jason1986 @ Nov 28 2017, 12:06 PM) it's pensonic. using it for my guest bathroom which is seldom used. Can't control pump means cannot turn it only on when you need it? Means once heater turned on, pump also on?Model is 967ep i think. for master room toilet, i am using panasonic. http://www.lazada.com.my/panasonic-r-serie...sc=MeoE&rb=1258 Pensonic is ac pump, abit noisy but better power. can control power. 1 year warranty on pump. Panasonic not so noisy as it is dc pump. cant control pump speed but 5 years warranty on pump. need to change shower head. the one they gave is basic. This post has been edited by halcyon27: Nov 28 2017, 10:43 PM |
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Nov 29 2017, 08:41 AM
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Nov 29 2017, 09:57 AM
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QUOTE(jason1986 @ Nov 29 2017, 08:41 AM) I see. Some models had optional pump control switch like Alpha / Joven rain shower model. Condos except for the top two floors don't need built in pump. Landed as well top two floor of condos will require. Anyway, here's an old gem of a thread complete with videos by zheilwane. This one too by ozak.This post has been edited by halcyon27: Nov 29 2017, 10:11 AM |
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Dec 27 2017, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Jul 3 2016, 01:56 AM) Been using Panasonic, Joven and Alpha water heaters. I posted the above review in July 2016 and now my 2nd Alpha Smart 18E die today. I guess smart water heater with smart chip doesn't last. For Panasonic, the push start button can't last 3 years. So I changed to Joven, used it for 7 years without any problem. Retired the problem free Joven after 7 years due to my personal safety standard and changed to Alpha 18e (no pump) because of the new safety feature with smart auto self-test on the internal curcuit to check if there is any leakage on all electric components & parts and line fault indicator. But one very important parameter that I overlooked on the Alpha is the minimum water pressure of 20kPa. If more than 2 water taps running at the same time, heater cut off too easily due to not enough water pressure. My previous Joven heater only requires 10kPa min pressure and it hardly gave me sudden cold water during shower. However, just slightly over 2 years of usage, one of my Alpha 18e self detected an internal fault and rendered the heater totally useless. So I replaced it with a new Joven SA10E. This model has EELS safety feature such as built in 10mA automatic electrical leakage detector and surge protector. Of course, I make sure that this new Joven SA10E can also take minimum 10kPa of water pressure. ![]() |
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Dec 28 2017, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Dec 27 2017, 05:01 PM) I posted the above review in July 2016 and now my 2nd Alpha Smart 18E die today. I guess smart water heater with smart chip doesn't last. Cause of unit's demise attributed to what? This is condo or landed? If disconnecting the water pipe at the cold inlet, what kind of water comes out in the morning? Could it be that humidity is very high in the shower area? See if mitigating with a wall mounted or glass mounted extractor fan helps before deciding on the next replacement?![]() This post has been edited by halcyon27: Dec 28 2017, 08:38 AM |
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Dec 28 2017, 09:00 AM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Dec 27 2017, 05:01 PM) I posted the above review in July 2016 and now my 2nd Alpha Smart 18E die today. I guess smart water heater with smart chip doesn't last. Not reliable electronic component. ![]() That is why need a 2nd RCD near the heater. At least it is not a electronic component. Life depend on the heater safety component is dangerous. |
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