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ozak
post Jun 15 2016, 04:24 PM

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Just get the Panasonic.
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post Aug 16 2016, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(yuyan @ Aug 16 2016, 03:14 PM)
Only 1 problem with Panasonic water heater. The hot water always not hot enough.
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Any water heater will not hot enough if the flow of water is too fast.
ozak
post Dec 28 2017, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Dec 27 2017, 05:01 PM)
I posted the above review in July 2016 and now my 2nd Alpha Smart 18E die today.  I guess smart water heater with smart chip doesn't last.

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Not reliable electronic component.

That is why need a 2nd RCD near the heater. At least it is not a electronic component.

Life depend on the heater safety component is dangerous.
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post Apr 9 2018, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(Nicci @ Apr 9 2018, 12:05 PM)
just get Panasonic, Joven or Alpha.
btw, Alpha brand quite ok because their technician will visit your house if your water heater got any issue. But of course is under warranty condition.
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Are you telling the Alpha no good ? hmm.gif

You said it is good is because technician will visit if problem. I don't see the point of good on that heater unit.

Than only in warranty condition. Finish warranty, no coming ? dry.gif
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post May 23 2018, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(fila97 @ May 23 2018, 07:49 AM)
Price ?
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post May 23 2018, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ May 23 2018, 09:59 AM)
dun bother, macam like Seers. I stay away from any company got the word "Marketing" in their name
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Ok boss.

Normally such rare heater in here will cost a bomb. They can claim how high tech and save cost, but the heater initial cost is high that can't return back the cost when calculate the usage.
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post May 24 2018, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(fila97 @ May 23 2018, 03:34 PM)
Was quoted rm800 for 30 litres and rm900 for 50 litews
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Few hundred expensive. But price still afford I guess.

Go and try. Let us know here.

Makesure it safe enough. Don't pay too much attention on the high tech. But not safe to use.
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post May 24 2018, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(fila97 @ May 24 2018, 02:59 PM)
According to the website its says zero risk of electrocution coz not using metal heating element.
Still dont know whether to choose Joven (RM 730 at 50L, using metal heating element and more electricity at 3kW+) or this.
Will share more if I try out the hydro one heater.
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If you see the spec clearly, it didn't save much or pretty non. It selling point is the heating element.

Joven take 30min at 3kw to boil the water to 70°.

Hydro1 take 36min at 1.5kw to boil to 44°c. See the temp different.

I don't see the Hydro1 save in electricity.
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post May 25 2018, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ May 24 2018, 04:30 PM)
30min at 3kW should be the JH35 model with 35L.

Hydro1 don’t have 30L model so let’s compare the 50L models from both brands.

Joven to 70C @
3kW takes 45mins
1.5kW takes 90 mins

Hydro1 to 44C @ 1.5kW takes 45mins, so it’ll take roughly 1 minute for 1C. To hit 70C I assume it’ll take an additional 26 minutes, so total time will be 71 minutes.

So with my assumption it performs ~26% better than Joven’s.

Please correct if I’m wrong.
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Hydro1 have 30L, 50L and 80L. Check at the Specification.

Base on the Eco30 L, 36min - 44°. If reach to 70° will take - 70/44x36= 57min.

Base on Eco50L, 45min - 44°. If reach to 70° will take - 70/44x45= 71min.

Base on the Joven JH35L, 60min - 70°.

Base on the Joven JH50L, 90min - 70°.




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post May 25 2018, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ May 25 2018, 01:57 PM)
So, I think Hydro1 is “better” since it’s a 1.5kW heating element?
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Try la. no worry.

Later let us know here.

I don't see any good point of 1.5kw element. It is just lower power element. While Joven have 3kw and 1.5kw element.

In term of save, 50L have more advantage. Another is, it can adjust the temperature you want.

But for me, it is useless as the storage heater will be hide inside ceiling. If many people using, you have to set it max to reduce the hot water usage ratio.

The only point worry is, how long the heating element can last. And what is the cost to replace. This might turn you off.
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post May 29 2018, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(Richard @ May 29 2018, 12:17 AM)
Wouldn't it be better to have the storage water heater visible and easily accessible to adjust the thermostat, view the temp/pressure gauges and periodically test the pressure relieve valve?

In the same bathroom but high level..
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Imagine have a tong gas size at the corner of the bathroom. biggrin.gif That is the 40-50L size of a storage heater. With the piping and wiring, it is an eye sore in your bathroom. If with a small bathroom, it look crush in there.

Storage heater have to install height above. Who want to climb ladder adjust the knob everytime ? It is not same as instant heater height level. You going to knock your head with that tong gas size heater in the bathroom. rclxub.gif

You can mix the water at the tap to get the right temperature you want. It is not same function as instant heater. There is no logic to adjust the temp...before use ? dry.gif

It is not necessary to install a pressure gauge for the incoming water. I believe the tank can stand well above the normal house water pressure.

The pressure relieve valve don't have the gauge reading. It is just a spring load valve mechanism. You can test it once a yrs by pulling the shaft ring. So not necessary to be eye visible the storage heater. There is nothing to see at all.






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post Jun 19 2018, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(shadowofevil @ Jun 19 2018, 08:00 AM)
in a dilemmas as im looking to install rain shower head and enjoy strong water flow during bath (house with 1hp pump installed)

whether to go for
1.instant water heater with rain shower head
2. concealing hot water piping and centralize storage water tank

i unsure is whether instant water heater rain shower effect will it be strong enough?
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Go for storage.

Instant not mean for strong pressure.
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post Jun 19 2018, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Jun 19 2018, 09:01 AM)
How strong do you need it to be?
A typical pump supplies up to 3 bar of pressure

The instant water heater can handle that pressure.
If heating power is a concern, an efficient 3.6kw heater running at 80-90 percent capacity will have water that is warm enough to shower.
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If he mean the instant water heater with pump have a rain shower, he will be disappoint with the pressure.

If he mean without pump instant heater with rain shower head, 3.6kw might not be enough. And that is max you can set.

Why risk to gambler on instant ?

Just straight go for storage. You get 100% satisfy result from the installation. All his requirement can be meet with got extra controllable heat.

For me, the meaning "rain shower" is not high pressure bath. But I don't think people will understand what mean of "Rain Shower".
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post Jul 13 2018, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(mentalmuz @ Jul 12 2018, 11:17 AM)
If I just need hot water for shower in 1 bathroom, does it still make sense to go for storage water heater? Currently I'm using Joven instant water heater. I'm quite satisfied with the temperature as I don't really need very hot water for shower but I want to change to big rain shower for personal enjoyment. So far when I read in this thread seems like instant water heater is not recommended to be use big rain shower? or do you guys know any instant water heater that I can use with big shower head maybe like below type?
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Your instant heater pump cannot coupe with this big shower head. It not enough power to pump the large amount of water for this big shower head.

The most bigger size for instant heater is 7" head. The istant heater have to design for the shower head, Not any instant heater.

Another problem is the water temperature will drop alot. This is due to

1) high flow water cannot absorb enough heat from the heater.
2) Because of the slow water drop from shower heat, the water been cold down by the air between the water travel from the head to your body. You can feel the water colder than using the hand shower.

Use water heater tank.
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post Sep 21 2020, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(kapalterbang_737 @ Sep 21 2020, 11:57 AM)
Hi guys, wanted to ask, is this wiring OK if i want to install instant water heater?
This wiring was installed by previous tenant but never install the water heater
I called contractor come to check & he said this point is shared between a plug point+aircond+water heater point..
So he suggest to make a new 1 dedicated to water heater direct from DB.. cost RM450..
Is it advisable to do so or this existing point is ok already? Sked kena cut by contractor  tongue.gif

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Follow the contractor advise.

This point look dangerous and no earth wire.

It is better to direct the wire into the heater instead a wall socket. With a switch outside the bathroom.

 

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