It still not the end of the world even if our national team doesn't excel at international level. But to take drastic measure such as using foreign player is not helping us in the long term. Let us Ah Meng, Muthu, Ali represent OUR country not Nwanko Kono or Alox (not real name).

the problem is still down to mentality of the players and also the management,

we might get a strong team now (if we get the right foreign players), but what will happen when the bunch of foreign players retires ?

we start the loop again ?

nope...we ask the sports minister to buy some more again la..heheh
sure they got a lot of money..since the able to build sports excellence centre in loondon..

for the poll, i say NO.

i actually can't agree with the words that Chinese aren't allowed to play state and national football because of politics and claim that the sport is 'owned' and managed by the Malays. what a lame reason. people who say that are the ones who don't really follow or never watch Malaysian football at all.

as far as i know, Chinese and others like Indians have all been given fair and equal chances with Malays to play for the state and national teams. the reason why Malays are monopolizing the sport is because many of them are willing to give up other jobs or commitments. their parents are supporting them. but i can also see a very good number of other races especially Indians who play full time and managed to get into the top teams and the national squad itself.

it's actually not about races at all, but rather depends on individual's preference. won't blame some or maybe most of the Chinese parents for disallowing their kids to fully commit to football career, coz that's their own choice, their rights. so please stop pointing ur fingers to the Malays or any other races.

fully agreed on u..good comment
lets kick racist out of our football.

This post has been edited by wanz_delpiero: Jan 12 2007, 12:56 PM

its because of the state of the current condition the football league is now in, that is why most chinese people stay away from it. can you seriously make a living out of it?

no offense to the chinese or other people. chinese people typically plan for the future and not for the moment, hence they prefer to go into business or more stable jobs (where pay is guranteed every month). not to say that the other people dont plan at all la.

most of the state team or clubs team have to depend on FAM to bail them out or wait for FAM financial aid and such. there is even news report that players have not been paid for months.

how are you going to survive? especially so when those footballers have families to support?

i totally agreed with u that comment..1 of the example is Chelsea Malaysia(MPPJ)..they spend a lot,pay a higher salaries to the player,give each player a car to drive and what happen in the end..they unable to pay for all that,some player dont receive their salaries for few month..bikin malu saja..

yup. true enuff. the system doesnt necessarily guarantee a really bright future for them.

but i think the main issue ripper trying to bring up was not y chinese wudnt play at M-league. it really was the accusations that Malays are being 'pilih kasih' or 'pilih bulu' with each other which is obviously not true. or else, there wudn be lots of established indian players around.

Got to agree with the ripper and Rocko. It's not about race preference, far from it. Malays choose football for a living, so do some Indians. Why are there so little Chinese? I think it is because they choose not to. They want to be in a job they think is secure for the long term. Footballers have a short career, so they might think it is best not to do it for a living.

All in all it is about what we choose to do. I think there are many talented Chinese players. When u are good, u are good, simple as.

seems that kcng didn't get of what i said. but thanx Rocko and king_z for the explanation.

it's becoming a trend now to have foreigners playing for the national team. not against the rule but in my view, it's something that shouldn't be done at all. we're not Singapore that probably has a very limited number of new talents, mainly because of the small population.

even if we do that, i don't really think it'll make a huge improvement to the national team. we're not gonna be able to attract top players who could make a big difference.. unless we're as rich as the wealthy Arab nations of course. Alex of Japan is a good player but there're actually many 'real' Japanese who play a lot better than him.

This post has been edited by theripper: Jan 13 2007, 01:32 AM

nakamura is a better player than alex and playing abroad somemore. This is just one of many true japs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Foreign_Talent_Scheme

that explains why there's so many foreigners in Singapore :/

See , nowadays certain types of male youth are vain and lazy .

they think they are clever and glamourous becasue they stood in bangsar cafe and cheered MU in front of a big screen with 200 other asshoules .

And they think they were a ' star ' . star my lan , nobody even noticed they were alive except their gay little mothers .

I mean , hell if you want to be a footballer, regionally the standard is not that high at all !

In my bacth at school in SG , one guy I played with ended up in the EPL with 3 different teams !! And he was far from the best player in my school , far from it .
So , if someone cannot get in here , then get his ass and move it to HK , China etc . Can still be a very very good living .

It's not as if you are taking shiet wages for a dirty job like construction .

I mean WTF , in the past we could produce great great players like Wong Chun wah , Soh Chin aun , Yip Chee keong - guys who would have walked in to any EPL team bar the top 4 .

Why is it that only 25 years ago we are so good and now we are so shiet ?

It's not lack of $ , not lack of chances ( though you have to be creative ), not lack knowledge . So where are we to look ???

Blame God ?? today's lot somehow genetically defective ?

Bullshieet , there must be a logical reason ,why not look at their own evironment , may find some clues there .

Admission of responsibilty and failure is the 1st road to recovery

But NO ,they dare to get angry when you tell them the facts straight .

How to improve like this , Good , keep it up , that's what we want , go back to Bangsar.

So who was that guy?

Dunno... he sound very p**s off man.

Mark Brennan , he's a kwai loh . goggle him .

Ex man city / bolton / ipswich

I played with him and against him in inter class matches , and he was my opossite number , don't want to sound as if I am special but I used to beat him quite a few times .

No big deal really , I wasn't the best there either but top 25-30% .

His brother and many other players were much better than him , they never ever made it to the pros .
Like I say , fooball is same as any other industry who you know , who you are , where you go , how smart ( sneaky ) you are counts a lot , sometimes more than real talent.

So you see , the guys you see on screen are not necesarily the best we can get , many many more would not have got there because their balls licking was ot good , their parents not smart enough to push them to the right areas .

Therefore there is still a lot of chance for todays youth if they want to make it as a footballer but as said they have no gumption / balls / clue to even make enquiries to get on the right track . Their families are also the same , stuck in 1980 , when football was not lucrative , now even a guy in HK can make a good living just playing a game . Real dumb .

If memory serves me correctly, didnt FIFA set up some new regulations concerning foregners playing for other national teams, in light of the Ewerthon wanting to play some Mid-East contury issue?

There are problems concerning the future of football in our country. Parents obviously didnt want their kids to get too involved in sports, coz it doesnt bring in the dough(true for all race I might add). Kids also seemed 'weaker' compared to 10 years ago, where all they want is to hang out, play PS and skateboards. State FAs is not that well prepared to scout for young players and nurture their talents in the correct way. And the mother of all is of coz the FAM, with their egos and corruption. And might I add, who do u think select our AFC team, Cikgu Jan or the FAM?

Therefore there is still a lot of chance for todays youth if they want to make it as a footballer but as said they have no gumption / balls / clue to even make enquiries to get on the right track . Their families are also the same , stuck in 1980 , when football was not lucrative , now even a guy in HK can make a good living just playing a game . Real dumb

show me a malaysian league footballer who is doing well now after retiring. not those working as security guards