Hi guys,

I plan to get a new system and aware that PCIe SSD such as M.2 is easily 4x as faster in reading speed. But the price is 3x as much.

I wonder if it is worth to buy PCIe SSD (2500+MB/s reading) just for the Drive C (OS, application loading time etc)? Will I actually notice any differences if I just buy normal SATA based SSD (around 500+MB/s reading).

I do aware reading speed is about 4x more... But I wonder in real-life got much differences. Processor wise planning on i7.

Do hope the experienced guru here can share their view.

Usage?

It needs to depend on the load...

pcie ssd is speedier than sata ssd in many areas, except for common use, in which case you don't really notice the differences. yeah it depends on your usage.

imo it's better to spend on 4x of ssd capacity than 4x speed for most users. however, if you're an enthusiast, you know what you want

Well, the SSD will solely be used as boot drive + application loading.

What I wanted is... Impressive OS loading time that I can smile, as well as speedy launching application that make me proud.

Hope you know what I mean...

Just that I do not know what is the actual differences... Will be 4 sec vs 5 sec? 13 sec vs 14 sec?

If it is like 10 sec (PCIe SSD) vs 15 sec (SATA SSD) for loading windows + whatever stuff, then yes, it worth la...

So far I think if can more than 30% in actual performance then sure go for PCIe. If 20% only maybe can consider also... But if 10% only... Forget about it.

if im not mistaken, pcie ssd vs sata ssd will be +-10sec difference in booting...m.2 will be between pcie ssd and sata ssd

I think the boot time will be negligible. Win10 on SATA SSD and it takes me about 10 seconds to boot to Windows.. it'll probably be around 7 seconds with M.2

If SATA SSD 10 seconds can become 7 seconds using PCIe SATA, it worth the money already...

What do you guys think? 30% improvement?

er about boot time, i use samsung xp941 and i disable fastboot on w10. to me it's the same as sata ssd. sHawTY can give you better pictures because he has a sammy 950 pro.

I also in the same consideration between SATA & M2 :

SATA-
SAMSUNG 850 EVO 250GB 97K/88K 540/520 RM424
SAMSUNG 850 PRO 256GB 100K/90K 550/520 RM615
M2 PCIE-
SAMSUNG 950 PRO 256GB 270K/85K 2200/900 RM863

Not sure worth the money for the performance?

I am using an SATA SSD now so boot time around 10 seconds or so. Was somewhat an early adopter for SSD, bought 128GB for 700-ish at the time.

Considered using m.2 pcie but most probably wait till prices drop low enough for 256gb.

I've used both SATA + NVME SSD
The difference between both is negligible as not a lot of apps / games can utilize NVME

Windows 10 Cold Boot Time (Fast Boot Enabled)
Single HyperX SAVAGE 240GB : 9 seconds
Dual HyperX SAVAGE 240GB RAID 0 : 15 seconds
Samsung 950 PRO 512GB : 3 seconds (I kid you not)

But it all comes down to your pocket
If you can afford NVME, go for it
If you think an NVME SSD is too expensive, then go for SATA SSD

dem boot time, make me wanna cry, that sata ssd is fast enough for me, my question is, why is dual Savage is much slower than a single Savage ?

wo nice guess that's the difference between ahci and nvme.

the raid is slow because it takes additional time to load driver and initialize raid.

is this a single ssd setup?

This post has been edited by horns: Apr 24 2016, 12:18 PM

Wow... Hahaha.. That's the exact info I need... PCIe SSD here I come...

For 950 Pro, yes

Nice - but what are you going to use your machine for?

Got it. That's what i thought too. Everything must be blazingly fast

PCIe SSD will be the last thing I wanna upgrade. Priorities go to GPU, PSU, monitor...

just to make you smile, why not. ensure to buy pcie nvme-based ssd, and plug it to pcie slot that connected direct to CPU, not thru chipset. that's all.


side note: since OS have hibernate mode for quite some time, it makes boot-time is not so crucial anymore. tangible benefit maybe faster game loading time and for video editing. that's all.

When booting Windows, the motherboard have to load the RAID driver & instructions first
But once you're in Windows, everything will be faster than a single SAVAGE

Speaking from my personal opinion & experience using many types of SSD, boot time doesn't really matter, what matters most the loading time for applications & games once you're inside of Windows

But with NVME SSD's, you can have both

That's the exact model in my mind...

Normal usage. Just kind of pissed of with my current slow system and want to minimise 'wait'...

Excellent... Now I am thinking of either 250GB or 500GB. 250GB is more than what I need. But if 500GB can use for some large file storage that need faster read time

This post has been edited by chanhin: Apr 25 2016, 01:19 AM

Normal use...

You don't even need an i7 - heck you don't even need a PCI-E SSD.

Unless if your needs call for lots of I/O performance (generally virtual machines) - getting a PCI-E SSD is pretty much showing off big benchmark scores rather than tangible benefits.

If your machine is a HDD-based system, a SATA based SSD will improve your machine overall responsiveness, even if the board is not SATA III capable.


For average users - the priorities when choosing a SSD goes something like this:

Capacity > Performance = Reliability (about the same priority as performance)


Most mainstream SSDs should give you decent boost in terms of responsiveness. My friend has a SSD-based gaming machine (which I built, with a 840 EVO SSD) and the machine remains very responsive even with multiple startup programs.

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Apr 25 2016, 02:23 AM

Thanks for sharing...

If you're trying to break nerd record, it probably matters as opposed to having a standard SSD.

But if you're just booting up your PC to type a Word document, or play Steam games, a few miliseconds faster makes zero real-world difference.

It would make a greater difference if you saved that PCIe SSD money and spend it to take your GF to Tioman or something.

Guys, just let him decide lar

As I've said earlier, it all depends on your wallet, if your wallet is thick enough, go for NVME
If not, just go for normal SSD will do

Some people think RM1500 for a 512GB SSD is too expensive
Some people think it's just a small amount for a decent upgrade

I on the other hand got the 950 Pro for free so it really doesn't matter LOL

It's true we should let him decide what he going to buy, but like chocobo7779 said for normal use a normal SATA SSD is fast enough. For example my Samsung 840 Evo boots in 7 seconds. Cold boot at that

But since he argue that from 10 second to 7 seconds means 30% improvement which well worth it, but on the flipside 3 seconds for 3x the price is...well I would rather buy something else with that money.

Hahaha... But from the members comments here the improvement is much more than 1 second...

Now I am thinking if I should buy 256GB or 512GB.

If buy 256GB PCIe SSD, it will be used solely for drive C. Then buy another 4TB WD blue as Drive D. And if later need faster speed for large file access, can buy another 512GB or 1TB SATA SSD.
If buy 512GB PCIe SSD, I will also buy 4TB WD as Drive D. Then when I need faster large file loading, I will put into Drive C with the 512GB PCIe SSD. But worry about the SSD life span.

Well... FYI my current desktop is 9 years old core 2 system with DDR2 and as you expected, slow boot up and application loading. I am kind of tired of waiting... In Hokkien, we said TL in waiting...

Some more member here mentioned for booting windows alone, the PCIe SSD is actually faster more than 2x as compare to SATA based...

Now left one component unknown... The CPU cooler... It seems all the coolers that I used to know like large Zalman no longer sold... Any good recommendation for cooler? Requirement is rather simple and practical;

(1) Low temperature
(2) Easy to clean (expect cleaning every 3 months)
(3) if possible, low noise...
(4) possible high reliability?

Btw, is it a sin to use stock cooler for i7?

Budget for cooler?

This post has been edited by st4Lk3rz: Apr 27 2016, 11:37 PM

Seriously - that 1 second isn't worth spending megabucks, considering that performance will be only viable on very high I/O loads such as virtual machines (I have ran multiple virtual machines via VMWare Workstation - the high disk usage often becomes the bottleneck)

Half the boot time of a regular SATA based SSD is just not worth it IMHO considering I have been used to deal with minutes of boot time...

For a cheap LGA775 cooler, consider the Hyper TX3 EVO - however please do measure your case for clearance as it might not fit.

You don't even need i7s for regular use - heck even a Celeron can do the trick (seriously). Modern CPUs are way overspecced for small tasks such as word processing and documents.

You can spruce up a cheap Core 2 system with a SSD - I can guarantee you'll never change your machine. I did a SSD upgrade to a Core 2 machine and the difference is just enormous compared to HDDs.

Note that SSD lifespans are very long and they can exceed the lifecycle of a regular PC. Samsung even estimates their 840 EVO can last about 7 years with 20GB of writes per day. I highly doubt that you will reach that amount of writes in a regular computing environment.

Of course - it is always a good idea to buy SSD from a reputable brand. Reputable ones usually use high quality flash memory and controller which should give you good lifespan and performance.

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Apr 27 2016, 11:45 PM

This video shows even a Celeron with a SATA3 SSD will have a much higher responsiveness over an i7 with HDD:



This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Apr 27 2016, 11:42 PM

Flexible. RM400 is okay.

Looking for either i7 6700 or 6700k now... But worry about 6700k temperature...

Why do you still insist of getting a 6700? You don't even need that much CPU performance.

Are you planning to overclock? If no, even a Xeon E3 will do the trick.

You still need to define usage as well - what applications are you plan to run, and how you are going to use them.

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Apr 28 2016, 12:50 AM

Nope.

M.2 is just a connection type.

M.2 storage device comes in 2 flavors - M.2 PCIE or M.2 SATA.

M.2 SATA works exactly like SSD (SATA) while M.2 PCI-E is the fast one, like PCI-E SSD.

You only have to worry about 6700K (or any model) temperature when you're doing overclocking.

6700K even with stock cooler works just fine.

I think you read a lot, super a lot until you have 101 worries.

You don't have to worry about SSD lifespan. You don't have to worry about Core i7-6700K heat either.

That's why I don't like to use % when I talk about performance comparison.

10 seconds to 7 seconds is 30% indeed but in reality that's 2 blinks of an eye, 3 seconds it the amount of time one looks away from the screen and looks back. Certainly not worth spending 3x more.

If so concerned about POWER ON / OFF, might as well leave the computer running 24/7. Can ignore boot time, if idle 24/7 at 40W also costs less than RM 10.

Since you are using for normal usage, i5 will do. save money if you can. As for SSD, SATA will do the job just fine. What I can recommend is buy Samsung 850 Evo SSD. There's a reason why Samsung SSD a bit expensive compared to others. Owned Samsung 840 Evo SSD on laptop and Samsung 840 Eco SSD on PC and both performed well. The speed is fast enough and just nice. Afraid that if you using faster SSD, your brain can't keep up with the speed and later you become blur what to do since everything so fast.

For that budget, I'd suggest you to go with AIO liquid cooling
AIO liquid cooling provides much more benefits over huge-ass air cooling

With AIO liquid cooling, you will get these:
1. Bigger headroom for you to work around the CPU
2. No "motherboard bending" issue
3. Less dust in the casing
4. Depending on the model that you're buying, stable idle & load temperatures
5. No worries about the heatsink breaking the motherboard when you move the computer around

Eh the dust in casing ultimately depends on casing airflow, positive vs negative.

The AIO radiator no matter how is still attached to any of the casing fan area.

Amount of dust going in still same.

Well... My last system last me 9 years... This new desktop should easily last me 6 years at least.

Most of the time I do not need high processing power. However, when I do, I need to run for full speed for few hours to about 1 week. If CPU is 20% faster, I think I can save 20% time. It is important when I am running simulation where I can see the result faster.

CORE I5 6600 (4C/4T) RM 928
CORE I5 6600K (4C/4T) RM 991
CORE I7 6700 (4C/8T) RM 1272
CORE I7 6700K (4C/8T) RM 1431

IMO, 6600k and 6700k with differences of less than RM500 is not much since I am going to use it for many years. Not to mention I am willing to invest around RM400 for a cooler.

Thus for long run + expensive cooler, i7 seems the way to go...

Any recommendation? Reliability come first of course.

Do you plan to overclock? If no - then there's no point going with a K series chip.

Save yourself some money and get a 6700/Xeon E3 and put the money elsewhere, such as a SSD/CPU cooler.

There's no such thing as futureproofing - the only thing you can futureproof is the PSU and the case, but that can be changing over time.

I see you are running some form of simulation - mind telling which simulation?

If you are talking about reliable CPU fans - your best choice is an industrial-grade fan:

http://noctua.at/en/nf-f12-industrialppc-3000-pwm

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Apr 29 2016, 12:39 AM

In fact - the CPU has multiple thermal protection mechanisms to protect the chip itself from damage due to overheating.

It is nearly impossible for users to damage a CPU by excessive heat..

We are not living in Pentium 4/Athlon generation anymore...

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Apr 29 2016, 12:41 AM

that noctua 3krpm pwm fan is very loud at full speed. (1x is already loud enough; i have 2x; it's no joke) you need a fan controller to slow them down. imo 2krpm pwm ppc is better.

You have two option:
1) You can buy highest spec you can afford and stick with it for 5+ years.
2) Buy according to your requirement now and save the money for future upgrade later.

I guess you are no 1 type. Since you have the budget, you should know what to buy. Just don't forget to balance between MOBO, RAM, GPU and PSU.

Note that futureproofing is not throwing lots of money and expecting it to stick for years:



Conversely you don't buy cheap hardware in a sense that you can always upgrade later - that is not futureproof as well.

Essentially the point of this video is to buy the hardware you need to fit the needs now, not at a later time.


An analogy would be something like this:

Imagine you want to buy a fast car - would you rather

1. Buy a fast car at stock, or

2. Buy a slower one, and upgrade them with turbos and other mods down the road?


Naturally you won't choose option 2 because it just not make sense - if you want a fast car now why would you buy a slower one and upgrade it in the future?

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Apr 29 2016, 01:03 AM

it's not about futureproofing. it's rather more on desire. lot's of people buy stuff for desire not thinking about futureproofing. I believe satisfaction is above anything. Some people want the highest spec even they don't need it. It just they feel the satisfaction of owning it. you can use the video as guidance but doesn't mean you have to follow it exactly. you'll never know what will happen in the future.

btw, you can't compare car with pc. it's totally different. adding turbo or mods is different thing. else if you mention on changing with new engine sound more relevant.

I suggest go for 512gb 950 pro m.2 pcie. Dont buy 256gb. Few games installed and thats it full. for me i 512gb m.2 pcie for c drive and apps. And a 512gb sata ssd like evo for movies and data on secondary drive. Put in together i7 6600k and a 32gb ram ddr4 with a gtx1080 8gb. Its just perfect will last you at least 5 years, you have enough vitamin c hehe

This post has been edited by Vannus: Apr 29 2016, 07:07 AM

Guys,

Really thanks for so many advises. It open my mind with more directions...

No reasons for me to overclocks;

(1) I hate high temperature
(2) The most OC can gain is 10%? 20%? When there are needs for faster speed (maybe 5 years later), why not get new system that at least 2x as fast. Due to works, I am more familiar with servers and had I used lots of servers (mainly Linux/Unix) for the past 10 years with heavy processing and found similar priced servers improve 2x to 3x every 3 years. After 5 years, new servers can make old one look stupid, end up no choices to dispose as space is $$$. I assume desktop might has similar improvement rate as now all processors are solely Intel domain.

The simulation that take time is for experimental DSP for audio and imaging. The early codes that full of debugging info are very inefficient during proof of concepts and very slow. And usually are single threaded.

I was thinking of that brand... really loud? Hmm... Any suggestion on not too loud type?

If follow this direction, I will get RM1400 6700k (will start with underclock and undervoltage in order to get my desired temperature) + RM400 noctua. Over time will increase the speed... Not sure if it really make sense...

or 6700 without k better?

Initially I was thinking on Rm1200 6700 without the K + RM400 noctua

But I like your idea. It seems I should just buy what I need to use now? RM472 i3 6100 + using free stock fans? I think it might actually sufficient and should be faster than my i5 Laptop. You guys aware desktop processors are way faster than laptop right?

Good motherboard -> I am thinking of RM800 GIGABYTE Z170X GAMING 3. Well, I am not even gamer and not planning to have graphic card for start. But I like the board.. Haha
Sufficient RAM -> 2x Value 16GB = 32GB - If one spoilt and under warranty, the other one is sufficient for me without interruption.
Fast Drive C -> Rm860 SSD PCI-E 256GB - It will allow me to get insane boot time and application load time as compare to current mechanical HDD. Finally I can get rid of "wait... wait... wait..."

Then in coming 2 or 3 years... 2018 maybe... and upgrade to the fastest CPU that time (another 40% faster than 6700k?) for socket 1151 + invest on good fans. Budget RM2k for upgrade later. Make sense? It is based on assumption Intel will produce faster processor for 1151. 10nm core maybe?

Here is the current price from C-Zone;
CORE I3 6100 (2C/4T) RM472
CORE I5 6400 (4C/4T) RM758
CORE I5 6500 (4C/4T) RM827
CORE I5 6600 (4C/4T) RM928
CORE I5 6600K (4C/4T) RM991
CORE I7 6700 (4C/8T) RM1272
CORE I7 6700K (4C/8T) RM1431

So if that's the plans? What's the suggestion on getting first processor? i3 6100? i5 6400?

If this is the plan, does it make sense that I should go for i3 because in 3 years time, I am going to dispose it. Thus should not invest so much. Rm472 is still ok.

Or I should just get 6700 without k + RM400 noctua? Then when I need faster performance in the future (5 years?), just get new system that offer at least 2x as fast? I assume 5 years later will have DDR5 that time with PCI express v 4 + SATA5. So even with SATA (v5), SSD is fast enough.

Well.... Basically I am pretty much decided on other components except on the processor... Abit ding-dong here and there.

I have laptop and desktop (windows based) for years... My drive C (OS + application) always use less than 100GB. Well, I dun install much and I am not really gamers.. Not planning to get graphic card as well for start.

Thus I think the Samsung 950 pro 256GB is more than sufficient.
Since the mboard of my choice has 2x M.2, maybe in the future when these SSD is cheaper in 3 years time, I will get another one. Who know RM1k can buy 1TB PCIe? And make it new Drive D.

This post has been edited by chanhin: Apr 30 2016, 01:08 AM

seriously, u need to specify what application will u be using. list it down. it would help much to determine the suitable setup for your need. be specific. don't just say normal use.

If that's the case - you don't even need a K series chip. A Skylake-based Xeon E3 will do the trick just fine, however please do check with the motherboard manufacturer for compatibility.

Nowadays CPU performance increment are getting smaller due to a lack of competition in the x86 CPU market (note: AMD has been pretty absent in the high-end CPU market) and the technical limitations of silicon and transistors. Intel is now trying to focus on power efficiency and performance increment via new instructions (i.e. AVX2 can be quite a bit faster than AVX when used properly: see http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Comparing-G...SSE4-1-AVX-AVX2 )

This is no longer the Pentium/Core 2 generation where every CPU iteration gives you massive performance boost anymore.

See http://arstechnica.com/information-technol...dead-this-time/



1. Single-threaded simulation - Please tell your company to consider rewrite the engine to use multiple cores, as a badly coded program can cripple even the most powerful systems.

Of course, this is not always a viable option since rewriting the whole program takes too much time and money.

Why bother undervolting? You are running a CPU-intensive task. Reducing the voltage will impact the stability and performance of the simulation. Do not worry about CPU overheating - modern CPUs are very good at protecting themselves from overheating.

All you need is to invest on cooling.

I do not recommend you to buy cheap hardware just to upgrade to a better one later - that is a waste of money. See my previous car analogy for explanation.




Don't bother with those 'gaming' class boards - unless if you are overclocking (which demands better VRMs). If you want reliability - go with a server class board:

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon3000/

They can be pretty costly though.

Good amount of RAM, especially simulation can be RAM intensive.



Unfortunately, you can't. No matter how fast the hardware, you cannot eliminate wait times. There's always bottleneck in the firmware, I/O scheduling and the underlying software code. Essentially you'll need an infinitely fast hardware with infinitely well optimized software.



Not going to happen in the near future, considering Samsung has a huge market share on NVMe SSDs. It's also worth mentioning that price drops are close to non-existence in our local SSD market (due to currency weakness)

Vague as you need to define on which programs. Same CPU can have very different performance on different programs, depending on the CPU architecture and the coding of the program itself. 40% gains in CPU performance is highly unlikely right now unless there is a major breakthrough in silicon and transistor technology. Of course, the developers need to write proper code to take advantage of the new CPU instructions as well.

Again, buy what you need now, not in the future.

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Apr 30 2016, 01:57 AM

chanhin, you can check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMvBQoU82_8 (note that in the video it's only one fan; so to use 3krpm ppc fans you need a fan controller)

imo 2krpm ppc is better in terms of noise level, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZkW3tmuyWM (again, you use fan controller to adjust noise level accordingly)

as for your expectation to upgrade to a much faster mainstream cpu with the same mobo in 3 years, well, lie chocobo7779 pointed out, intel focus on power efficiency (cpu speed is kind of staying the same for several generations already) also, i think the cpu socket for future cpu will change most likely, hence incompatible to skylake cpu.

imo you should just go for whatever highest that you feel comfortable. if you go for xeon, check if the cpu has built-in igpu, if not you need a descrete gpu.

Bro, thanks for the tips. Really appreciate it.

This is a good statement.
But even I dun need 950 pro, but siok to have also consider buy what we need right? Well.. We buy to make us happy.

THanks for sharing. When see the fans going high RPM make me unconfortable..

I always like processor like 6700T with low power.

Btw, can we buy 6700T in Malaysia?

No - they are OEM only.

Don't worry about high RPM - fans won't die from sustained high RPM.

THanks for the info.

Btw, it seems for PCIe SSD, the Samsung 950 Pro M.2 seems no competition in term of both performance and price. Looks like clear winner to me.

Some PCIe SSD M.2 just half of the speed of what Samsung offer, but same price.. While some similar performance, but triple the price... Crazy...

yeah that noise hehe noctua fans has 6-year warranty btw.

for now yeah 950 pro is the best that we can get.

later this year we have another oem sku from samsung, sm961. that one has 3.2kMB/s seq. read and 1.8kMB/s seq. write (max capacity is 1tb) by 2017 i think we will have the retail equivalent.

Life is making us smile right?

I suspect most consumer system do not have dedicated highend RAID card. Maybe just use software RAID?

Thanks guy. I finally bought my new system;

i7 6700 with Hyper 212X
Gigabyte Gaming 3 - I was thinking of Gaming 7 for its HDMI 2.0. But later gave up as I thought just matter of time I will get a graphic card that has HDMI 2.0.
32GB RAM - Should be sufficient for now
Samsung 950 Pro 256GB - Really fast man... No jokes. I learn that not all SSD are built the same
Window 10.1

So far so good. Whole system damn silent... I can hardly tell if it is on.

haha, you sure buy for your happiness as your spec doesnt show that you're a normal user, but still, your money anyway

I saw some system in the shop with the gigantic D14 heatsink installed. It was crazy... And those expensive graphic card one can reach RM3k... crazy... My standard... use built in one enough...

This post has been edited by chanhin: May 7 2016, 01:38 AM

About the same as my rig except I am using the slower Samsung 850 240GB SSD and a Noctua heatsink.

Can I assume seeing Noctua mean most likely using i7 6700k?

It is because 6700 is not that hot... 212X is much more than enought.

Nope, I am not using 6700K.



I had bad experience with one of Coolermaster non-backplate heatsink fan. The mounting wore off and the entire heatsink came off few years back.

Wow... Impressive setup with interesting components. What graphic card is that?

Asus Geforce GTX970 Strix modded with Artic Cooling Accelerro 4 cooler.

Wow... Btw, why you need so many HDD? Why not one bigger one?

Why are you assuming that those HDDs are small?

The HDDs are mostly 6TBs and two of them are 4TBs.

just sharing : Samsung 850 EVO



This post has been edited by tone: May 8 2016, 04:08 PM

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just sharing : Samsung 850 EVO

Why need so much storage? Home usages? Or office?

Home usage.

Why not?

Bro, same spec bought new last week, just that im using 850 pro. Skip 950 pro and wait for sm961 few more months to slot the empty m.2.

I7 6700k 4.7ghz, 32gb ddr4 3000mhz cl15, gtx970

But im not geek like you having more than 10gbs hdd




This post has been edited by Vannus: May 8 2016, 11:49 PM

What cooler is that?

Looks familiar.

I am also skipping PCI SSD at the moment since I am quite happy with the current SATA SSD.

All of my computers are running SATA SSDs including old laptop. May not be as fast as PCI SSD but they have continued to serve me well.

It's cooler master 212x, the fan is great, 7x cfm, it keeps my cpu cool and around 60C on full load. and when idle it's around 38C to 42C depends on room ambient temp.

Yea, just wondering when the SM961 will be release. Lets keep an eye on the release. actually sata SSD is also doing well here, bootup time and loading is just a quick. Not sure can get significant gain or not after switching to nvme ssd.

This post has been edited by Vannus: May 9 2016, 10:52 AM

My 212x only one fan. You add-on extr fan? How to fit?

Worth to add extra fan? How many lower temperature you manage to get?

No need add fan, no difference. Im using the original fan. It seems that the original fan is high grade fan.

Ok... Something wrong with mine. I never hear any sound from my new system.

Tonite will check if the fans are actually spinning.

HI guys,

I need help. I fail to enable the Samsung OS optimization... How can I enable it?

I also fail to enable RAPID mode...

Please help. I think my booting time still exceed 5 seconds...

This post has been edited by chanhin: May 10 2016, 08:57 PM


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Forget about RAPID mode - it gives you no tangible benefits, and your data could be at risk since it is cached on the RAM (i.e. if your power ever cuts out, then your files are rendered corrupted).

It is more or less inflating the benchmark score for showing off.

Exceed 5 seconds? How fast you want?

RAPID mode only works on SATA SSDs. I have a 840 EVO and I turned it off because it does not work at all.

Your SSD does not support OS optimization - by default the OS and firmware are good enough for that.

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: May 10 2016, 09:17 PM

Thanks for all the information.

Possible to be less than 5 seconds... It would be really nice.

If it is not possible, what is the bottleneck? I/O speed again? What if I buy another Samsung Pro 950 and RAID 0 them to double the bandwidth? Will it be using 8x PCIe? Or sharing the same 4x PCIe? Is i7 fast enough to software RAID them?

Sorry for so many question as really newbies in SSD...

This post has been edited by chanhin: May 10 2016, 09:46 PM

No difference - there's always the software limitation.

RAID SSDs are not worth it - they usually don't give much tangible benefits. (more or less showing off big benchmark scores)

There's always bottleneck - you cannot eliminate it even if you have infinite power.

Wait when you say 5 secs is from the moment you press the power button on the case till you see your working desktop?

Sad.. I measure from the boot time where my Gigabyte logo gone until saw desktop. It took 12 seconds.. really disappointed.

Is it normal with Windows 10 home? Or because I installed application issue? Or Norton Anti-virus issue?

I had downloaded Samsung software and confirm reading speed exceed 2.2GB/s and reading exceed 900MB/s. Thus I am confused

Do hope the expert can advise... Possible need defragmentation on C?

I have the same issue on my new pc. More than 10s from the point i press the power button till my desktop windows is ready. I read about it on internet, the culprit is your mobo taking too long to initialize whatever it has to. There is a settings in bios under ram config, you van turn it to enable and now the time taken is about 5 secs

Never defragment a ssd - doing so will reduce the ssd lifespan. Disabling the splash screen will significantly reduce boot time.