the current batch i joined is the 2004/2005 intake, not my original intake batch. this batch used to be 108 students. a few Malays dropped out thus making it 105. NONE of the Chinese dropped out. In fact only 6 Chinese came from Tahun Asas (Sue Wern was one if u remember her), making those from STPM very little in fact. Some of da Malays came from Tahun Asas too.

When i first join this batch i was totally shocked at the numbers.

This post has been edited by xtracooljustin: Feb 26 2007, 03:12 PM

oh... THAT batch. i thought it was the other one before them. this batch is the "experimental" batch, which the main intake is from the one time alambina foundation course. i give u a little background on that:

this batch joined FAB (fakulti alam bina) from SPM straight into foundation (pre-1st year) in accordance to the KPT's directive that all universities stop taking SPM and start taking STPM/matrics. since FAB is neither science nor arts, we derived a temporary solution: the foundation programme.

students studying this foundation programme came as a neutral candidate. they're not architecture, landscape, planning nor QS. they study the basic of EVERYTHING. they have a guaranteed place in any course they choose, as long as they fulfill the minimum requirement. and they can choose.

which literally means, for an entire year, they're exposed to lecturers, seniors and education that would influence their decision. so guess where all the non bumis go? QS. bumis? architecture. one group goes to landscape, and about 10 students went to planning.

so roughly 80 students joined architecture 1st year, where a vast majority is bumi. to fulfill the available spaces, STPM candidates were called in, and this is where the rest of the non-bumis came in. from my workbase (class) of that batch, 3 are chinese (sue wern, winson and leansin) from STPM, the rest are malays from foundation.

try and ask any foundation students of that batch, they should be able to verify this.

Still, the numbers r really gonna throw off other non bumi that really wanna study architecture.

the current first year are the same as well. im not too sure bout the numbers, but i'll post up da figures once i know.

Are the days of 50% chinese and 50% malays from my batch (2002) gone alredi?

well, u see, doing architecture in johor is not on top of the list of most people. i mean, there are 9 architecture schools in KL area alone that have better promise of "student life". how many places can u go clubbing in JB? just spend one weekend and u've been to them all hahhahaa.

on a more serious note: as u know, the intake is not based on race anymore. it's 50% matrics + 50% STPM. this would mean that 50% is already malays from matrics, and the rest would be a majority of chinese with some malays who took STPM. even during the interviews, i did realize that there are substantially bigger number of malays applying architecture in UTM using STPM for that particular year compared to the non-malays.

there are only two batches in UTM that we took based on 50-50 race quota. ur batch (inverto) and the batch above u (prodigy). after that we started the gvment directive of 50-50 matrics/STPM. the numbers arent as close to 50%, but last 2 batches were 40-45%.

and another thing. when we send out offer letters, it is quite common that it got turned down, especially by the really good candidates. this is due to them securing a place overseas or other universities like UM or USM. and they are mostly chinese. this will throw the initial numbers off from the 50% mark. we then fill their empty shoes with anybody on top of the backup list. if it's malay, then it will definitely throw the numbers off. if chinese, then u'll see balance of race restored.

i could explain the technicalities of the process more.

all in all, i'm more worried that there are NO more indian applicants at all. not just in UTM, but nationwide as well. seriously...

If there are no Indians, therefore...if they follow quota system, and let's say ONE Indian applies...then is almost likely he/she will get it right?

Thanks for da clarification. Indeed my batch and Prodigy are the ones which i felt closely matched the 50-50 ratio.

the lack of Indians is indeed worrying. So are other bumis from East Msia. Is this really bcos they are not good enuf or did they not applied for the course at all?

technically, it depends on his/her grade lah. even so, he/she will be categorized with other non-bumis. so it's not a race based quota per se, but rather, a bumi vs non-bumi quota. but whatever the case, that system does not exist anymore.

i'm not sure. but not many eastmsian bumis (kadazan, iban etc) actually applies. i'm sure its bcoz of the lack of exposure to the course rather than not qualified. architecture's requirement is quite open compared to other courses.

so u mean i wouldnt be getting part 1 exemption after luct?

are u already in the programme, or just applying?

if u're currently applying, chances are LUCT will get its full accreditation by the time u graduate. the accreditation process is based on when u graduate, and not when u enter. even if u join an unaccredited school now, but eventually gets accredited even two days before u graduate, u WILL graduate with accreditation and gets exempted from part 1.

for the current graduating batch, LAM and LAN will be coming again to LUCT (i dunno the schedule). they will reassess the current graduating batch to see if they are as fit as the previous batch. LUCT needs to keep on improving their graduates in order to secure full accreditation. so this batch must be at par with the last one WHATEVER the cost! and so is the next batch and the next after that until they get full accreditation.

wow..icic. thanks man. so how long usually to get full acreditation?

it depends. but usually it would take atleast 3 years. since LUCT already have one batch with Part 1 exemption, i'd say, they're already passed the midpoint.

for UTM
is it call saujana muda seni bina ?

for USM
is it called ijazah sarjana muda (perumahan , banguanan dan rancangan) dengan kepujian - jurusan seni bina ?

it's called sarjana muda senibina, as far as i recall, as it has been gazetted under malaysian education system as a professional course. variations of the title means a non-professional or non-part 2 course. for example:

sarjana muda teknologi senibina (architectural technology)
sarjana muda sains senibina (architectural science)
sarjana muda bangunan (building)

those above are not degrees of architecture (part 2), but a subset of the course, meaning part 1 or leading to part 1.


so in both UTM and USM, it's called sarjana muda senibina. in UTM, UM and UPM, it's handled under fakulti alam bina (faculty of built environment), while in USM, it's handled by fakulti perumahan, bangunan dan perancangan (faculty of housing, building and planning). in UiTM it's handled by fakulti senibina, perancangan dan ukur bahan (faculty of architecture, planning and quantity surveying).

so that'll give u an idea of what the whole 'perumahan, bangunan dan perancangan' that u've mentioned above.

Can you do architecture if you hate drawing/ loathe art and thinks that good designs are created by chance by some weirdos? I mean... i bet some architects can create a building the shape of dildo and be pronounced good if they are at the right place and time...

Hehe..just kidding...

I have quite a high respect for architects (well... good architects) since I am useless at imagining/drawing things. Never got more than a C in my art... weirdly enough, i seem to be doing fine in all of my other subjects...hmmmm...

dildo shaped buildings? it has been done in barcelona by some spanish architect.



it's the hi-rise building on the left side of the picture. i took this picture when i went for a trip there. u can also see the famous sagrada familia by gaudi in the middle.

on a more serious note:

u dont need to be good in drawings to become an architect. actually, drawing and imagining are two different things. imagination can spark from the simplest question: "WHAT IF?". drawing is a visual manifestation of imagination. so if u're not good in drawing, it doesnt mean u're bad at imagining things, and vice versa.

most of the students i taught didnt even take arts in school. dont worry about it. if u cant draw, u can use PC to help u.

PUSAT PENGAJIAN PERUMAHAN, BANGUNAN & PERANCANGAN

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Sarjana Muda Sains [Perumahan, Bangunan & Perancangan] (Kepujian) - Seni bina
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Sarjana Muda Sains [Perumahan, Bangunan & Perancangan] (Kepujian) – Perancangan Bandar & Wilayah
SH04

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Sarjana Muda Sains [Perumahan, Bangunan & Perancangan] (Kepujian) – Ukur Bahan
SH06

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Sarjana Muda Sains [Perumahan, Bangunan & Perancangan] (Kepujian) – Pengurusan Binaan
SH08

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Sarjana Muda Sains [Perumahan, Bangunan & Perancangan] (Kepujian) – Reka bentuk Dalaman
SH10

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Sarjana Muda Sains [Perumahan, Bangunan & Perancangan] (Kepujian) – Teknologi Bangunan
SH13

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Added on March 3, 2007, 3:38 pmmay i know how about landscape architecture ? does it lead to part 1 ?

This post has been edited by BridgestoneRE711: Mar 3 2007, 03:38 PM

USM has two architecture degree. one is BSc HBP - Architecture (3 years) and the other should be BArch (2 years). i'm not sure why i couldnt find any BArch in the USM list, but u can find it here in LAM accreditation list.

u will need to take both, 3+2, in that order, to complete ur part 2 qualification. u cannot take BArch before BSc.



landscape architecture is a totally different course. it's not architecture, although u will learn similar things. landscape concentrates on landscape designs, the bonatical aspect of architecture, requires less engineering knowledge but more on social and behavioural aspects. u've seen the nice landscapes in cities like shah alam or putrajaya? those are landscape architects work.

landscape architecture do not comply to the part 1 or 2 coz they have their own different standard and different administrative body.

Azarimy,

A mature student that mean by UK universities is students who finished their diploma here and going to persue their degree in UK?

Let's say University of Cambridge,they accept every colleges' diploma couse in Malaysia or just some??How bout Taylor?

University of Cambridge is more base on technical/practical?

For us who persue diploma here,what is the minimum requirement for us of our diploma results(agak agak)?

N do we(only 1st year Archi diploma student) to start doing research or find a good Uni that suitable for ourselves?

Thanks A lot.

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Added on March 3, 2007, 6:50 pmTo compare the tuition fee in Uk and Australia for architecture course,will UK's tuition fee higher than Australia?or same? Or studying in UK is more expensive becuz of the living expenses only?

Bout how much the living expenses in UK let say we study in London.

Thanks.

This post has been edited by Carrielyn: Mar 3 2007, 06:50 PM

no. mature students by definition are students above the age of 26, regardless whether they have completed any level of studies or not. well, atleast that's UK's definition, which i'm sure malaysian definition wouldnt stray too far.



although i'm sure they would accept, i'm not sure at what level u will be allowed to enter their architecture course. if for example cambridge do not recognize taylor's diploma, they may still take u in, but just from the 1st year with no exemptions. means like, u took ur diploma as a substitute for A-levels, no more.



cambridge is always known as a research university.



for cambridge? very high. not bcoz of the actual requirement is high, but COMPETITION. everybody wants to get to cambridge.



ofcourse u'll need to do it urself. no more school counselors to help u here. this is the path u choose for ur life. might wanna take some responsibility in deciding it. would make a great story to tell ur children one day, instead of "ur grandpa had to bribe some officials to get me into THAT university, u know..." hehhee. just kidding.




i'm not quite sure of the actual aussie fees, but in the UK, fees span between GBP8k to 10k a year. maybe somebody from aussie univ could tell us more. i'm guessing AUD 10k a year perhaps?

UK's living expenses arent as high as... say switzerland. but it's the tuition fees that got people off.

i've lived in the UK for a year. barely survived with GBP500 amonth of scholarship money per person. that's about RM3.5k amonth. to properly live comfortably in london, u'll need about GBP750 a month (RM 5250). however, living outside london is waaaay cheaper. here in sheffield, i'm living quite comfortably with my wife for GBP500 amonth (two person).

here in sheffield, i'm living quite comfortably with my wife for GBP500 amonth (two person).

oh that was so nice.haha..

Em then how bout AA school of Architecture?is it more on practical/technical?

I'm so curious to know about AA school of architecture is becuz i saw it prospectus in my sku library.I juz simply look through very fast then i found out the sku seems to be so so great of their course there.Hence,it become one of my choice.^^

But because it is only diploma,5 years izzit?if for me maybe less than tat or depends rite?^^ so when i graduated n wan to do a futher study ,then i'll going to study degree or master?

oh need your help.Thx.


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