new diagram (included in the first post)

Due to so many questions about what subject(s) to take during SPM that would be considered relevant to architecture, I've tabled out all the SPM subjects (not including vocational subject category) and explained more or less on its relevancy to architecture education.

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i. Subject - Subjects that have been categorized according to its similar contribution towards architecture education.
ii. Category - Keywords of relevant knowledge or skills that is attributed to the subject in architecture education.
iii. Description - A brief description on what the subject could contribute when studying architecture.
iv. Relevance - The value of taking that particular subject.

This table is not to be confused with the intake requirement for any university. This list compiles the relevance of the subjects according to the typical architecture curriculum. Meaning, not taking a "Very Relevant" subject does not put you at a disadvantage when applying for architecture compared to those taking it.

The other reason for this table is to demystify the common misconception that students need Math, AddMath, Physics and Arts in architecture, where in actual fact, those requirements are only needed when applying for the course. The purpose of this table is to provide general knowledge so anyone who just finished PMR could decide which subject they want to take for SPM in order to benefit the most during architecture education.

This post has been edited by azarimy: Feb 3 2007, 02:29 AM

lord, im so happy to see thiz thread grow so fast!

some stuff i pick up during my research....i hope it will help ppl who wonder bout the minimum requirement to go to IPTA (SPM-leavers)

UM does not offer any diplomma programes in this realted fields unless for PROGRAM ASASI SAINS ( its almost the same with matrikulasi but strictly for BUMIS only)

(UTM)



for Uitm
check the minimum requirement in tiz web
https://online2.mohe.gov.my/spm/panduan/ipta/uitm.htm
( for BUMI only)

erm...to cut short the story....for spm-leavers like me....n non-bumi like me... if wanna go for local-government university....the only uni offer a diploma is UTM

* sorry , i cant find much detials bout USM , so im not sure if its offering a diplomma or not ( i juz dun understand how the website works)

PS: UPU is open to public aready.....those who wanna apply for local-government uni....plz get it while it stock last lol....

( plz correct me if im wrong, coz all is based on my own research lol)

azarimy -> now u are making the interview sound really really scary........

ifana : so now are u taking degree in arch. in japan? or u're juz visitin?
..if u are really study arch. in japan...how badly u burn the hole in ur wallet?!!!!!

USM dont offer any diploma.

Ur best bet as a non bumi to go into local Uni is always STPM.

Interviews are not scary if you are a very confident person in nature or have a high level of self esteem.

Japanese architecture degree is not common in Msia and its not given automatic Part 1 and Part 2 accreditation.

To practise in Msia wif a Japanese Architecture degree, you need to take the Part 1 and Part 2 exams before proceeding to the Part 3 (Professional Architect) exams.

there are only 2 diploma programmes offered by IPTAs for SPM leavers in this country, UTM and UiTM. although UiTM are only offered to bumis, the course takes longer (4 years) compared to UTM's diploma. UiTM diploma is accredited with part 1, while UTM diploma is not. but it is my sincere suggestion that everyone should go through the STPM/a-levels route, bcoz it's the most acceptable certification worldwide.

but if u could get into UTM/UiTM diploma route, u'll get longer exposure to the architecture world, hence more experience, and more prepared for ur final year thesis.

on the japan thingy, as justin said, they're not accredited to msian standards, hence u will need to take the Part 1 and 2 exams when u get back here.

hi guys, just want to know what do we call "Architecture" in Bahasa. Is it senibina, senibina lanskap or something? I'm totally confused and I don't wanna submit my upu form with the wrong choice because of mistake like this.

Architecture = Senibina
Landscape Architecture = Senibina Landskap (they insists on lanDskap instead of lanskap)
Interior Design = Rekabentuk Dalaman
Interior Architecture = Senibina Dalaman

incase u're not sure what's the difference between those courses, dont hesitate to ask. it's quite often people mistaken interior architecture as local/malaysian architecture. i have no idea how people could have made that assumption, but things do happen

azarimy, since u've had ur hands on the acceptance of STPM students into UTM for archi b4, can u tell me wat's the lowest CGPA that u've SEEN for a STPM student to be accepted into the course so far? wat's the average CGPA of the students (those being accepted) annually?

and, those doing archi course in SEDAYA College U or Taylor's or other respective colleges which offer archi courses, wat shud they do once they've graduated? they must take tests since their courses hv not been accreditted with part 1 and 2 rite? and how long wud these tests normally take from graduation day?

hmmm... i cant say i could remember for sure about the cgpa. i know i've seen 2.70cgpas several times, but i cant be sure if there's anyone lower than that. i dont have the average figure on top of my head, but i could give it a check.

for those going to non-accredited schools, there are generally two choices commonly taken: work or continue studying.

if they decide to work, they can work at any architect firm or related firms for about a year while taking their part 1 exam. they dont have to take the exam immediately, unless they're pursuing to study at an accredited university for part 2. i'd say, for part1 u can start taking the exam immediately after graduation.

if they decide to study, the main choice would be to go through the partner programmes. this will allow them better chance at landing a part2 at the respective universities.

if they're not accredited with part 2, they can opt to work for about a year (depending on PAM's regulation) before applying for the exam. this is mainly due to the exams conducted on a specific date in a year, so if u miss this year, u gotta wait for the next one.



sorry, not much help on this one...

thx for the info. very much appreciated.

and btw, is it possible to be awarded part 2 without having a part 1? and will we get recognised by the gamen if we hv part 2 but not part 1 (assuming that the first Q holds true)?

* is there a part 3?

This post has been edited by europology: Feb 9 2007, 04:24 AM

nope, u cant get part 2 without part 1. but there are schools (overseas) that would still take a non-part 1 student into their part 2 programme, with conditions that they must get their part 1 (on their own) before they will be awarded part 2. that means, even after graduated 5 years after part 2, they will only get the actual accreditation AFTER sitting for the part 1 exam. but these schools arent likely to be prestigious ones.

full 5 year degree programmes like UTM awards part 1 and 2 both in one go after the student graduates the degree.



and yes, there is a part 3. part 3 is a full professional accreditation that awards the holder Professional Architect, which bears the title AR infront of their names. for example Ar. Jimmy Lim or Ar. Hijjaz Kasturi.

This post has been edited by azarimy: Feb 9 2007, 05:23 AM

...hurm, i've considered bout tiz along time wheter to take diploma or stpm. but since im determined to take architecture course, would it better to choose diploma, so we can be more specify into it than wasting our time on random subjects. 'IF' any of us get into UTM diploma program, u once told us that we get the priority to continue our studies in UTM for degree courses rite...

although A-level route is more acceptable, its not possible to take it into IPTA .. it only work for IPTS rite.......?
ohya..since u're an interviewer.. from ur experienced , how many applications for diploma/degree? n out of the number, how many is accepted/???

another thing, plz clarify the differents between interior design n interior architect . i used to think is the same thing

thanks in advance~ cheers~

yes, u will get a priority over candidates from non-UTM diploma. but this assumes u have better grades than them. meaning: if u score 3.50 and another candidate scores 3.50 as well, u will get priority. but if the other candidate scores 3.70, obviously we're gonna go for the better ones. but priority is an advantage, and u'll need all the help u can get.



currently, IPTAs only take A-levels for non-msian citizens only, with exceptions of UIAM. UIAM takes a-levels openly. UM and UTM on the other hand takes A-levels on case-by-case basis.



i can only give u the number for UTM, coz that's what i've involved before. for UTM diploma, the application is slightly more than 1000, where 200 will be called for an interview, and about 80 will be accepted. for degree, applicants usually range between 3000 to 4000, where 200 will be called for interview, and a maximum of 120 students will be accepted.


for me, interior architecture and design are the same thing. they are the people who fills in the blank of whatever architects are too lazy to finish off themselves (i'm gonna get whacked for this hahahhaha). what i mean is, architects usually design the building, and since there are too many stuff to figure out on the building itself, they usually leave the interiors for the client to decide for themselves.

the clients could still pay the architects to design the interior, but as part of the professional ethics, architects would just prefer to stick to building designs and leave the interior stuff for interior designers. architects in the mean time can pursue other big projects.

azarimy,
the pencil sets from H to B type . i found that the set one is RM18.00 . but if we buy another type , not green pencil set ...those made in malaysia faber castle , gold-blue one ... it would cost RM10.00 only if we buy separate ...

i'm sorry, what was the question?

although it's a good practice for a student to try out all kinds of pencils, eventually they will pick a preference of about 3-4 pencils only. my personal preferences are H, 2B and 4B. if sketching, i'd include 6B as well. i hardly use the other pencils in the set. i even encourage my students to pick up their favourites early on the studies, so they can sharpen their skills on them.

bottom line is, u just buy whichever u think u can afford, or willing to use. try it out first, and at the same time, dont hesitate to borrow from friends who're using different brand or make. once u've actually TRIED (not just listen to people, and especially NOT from salespeople) then u can decide which would be best for u.

there is two type , one is the green coloured more classical look , and another is blue colour look .
basically both also got H , but in different look , i am not sure how different it is . but suppore H and H the quality is the same right , so should i go for the 1 set one or buy separately ?

both also can.

like i said before, each person is wired differently. so choose whichever that u prefer AFTER trying it out. if u cant try it out, then buy both. i prefer faber castell over staedler anytime. but that's just me.

I finished my SPM last year and thinking of pursuing my studies in matrics or STPM (or maybe Taylor's diploma but I dun think I hv the $$)

. In your opinion, which is a better route?? Especially if I want to go oversea-

. Does wtv I learnt in both STPM and Matrics will help me throughout my studies in University (locally and oversea) ?

. How much is the probability of me getting a place/scholarship in Aus/Eur universities of architecture with a good STPM's result(let's say 4As)?

p:ss//I want to take design architecture (not the QS one)

thanks in advance

if u're going overseas, A-level would be better, despite being more expensive than STPM. recognition is virtually the same for both STPM and A-levels worldwide, but a-levels is generally accepted as 'easier', although there's no scientific backing on this, and frankly, nobody have ever done both STPM AND A-levels to really give a substantial opinion.



related to architecture? virtually none.

for architecture courses, STPM/matrics/a-levels are ways to land a place at the universities. nothing more. u will hardly use any knowledge gained during those times directly in architectural studies. in my opinion learning and teaching architecture, frankly, PMR is enough. u will relearn new stuff during architecture.



getting a place with that result at overseas architectural schools is virtually 80-90%. landing a scholarship, however, has lower probabilities. i dont have the numbers, but scholarships are rare, and architecture isnt a favourite course in the eyes of the people who hands out scholarships (ie, JPA).

ohh... means for people with no money like me the percentage of going oversea for architecture is zero to none la...

how did u come to that conclusion?

i said, "landing a scholarship has lower probabilities", which anyone with math proficiency would know it is between zero and 79%. JPA doesnt differentiate between courses, which would mean u'll be competing against all time favourites - medicine, law and engineering. JPA scholarship have a working contract for a period of time, and in there arent many jobs in the government sector for architecture graduates, other than teaching or working in JKR.

hey, dont get me wrong, there are still chance for u to go overseas. u didnt ask me about LOAN.