how come i dun c any building that look like a penis??

for a while there i thought he was mentioning the Swiss Re buiding bySir Norman Foster.

What is an AA college??

When should I apply for UPU? Before or after result.. I mean there's only a week to go to result...

How do you usually take people for interview? Based on the SPM result?

i've already detailed out what's going on in the interviews and how selection is conducted somewhere in this thread. i'd suggest u browse through the 10 pages. atleast it's easier than having me to write everything back .

AA school is the Architecture Association School in london.

u should already be able to apply for UPU right now. go check the UPU website.

wat if i apply for oversea in this field? i checked they got offer senibina ( UK,AUS ..)......do i a chance?.. i mean, since they put this up, sure they got limit at least a few places for undergrad rite?


im little confused here....does thiz mean i cant apply for jpa if i dont apply any architect field in any of these countries( uk, auss....)


=_=, woundnt it be a waste studying so much n goyang kaki ...o doing other civil services? ( although jpa sponsor)......i rather work my ass off rather than wasting my time. does thiz imply that telling malaysian architect student not to accept any offer from jpa if do not want to end up in JKR...
n do any1 know wat happen if we do not want to serve for the govern afta taking the scholarship ( to batalkan, we need to pay double the price or end up in jail ?? lol)
gosh.my head wanna break dy~

thanks in advance~

JPA offers two kinds of scholarships: local and abroad. both have different requirements and different contract.

for both scholarships, u need to get an offer from the university first BEFORE applying for a scholarship. get the place first, then get the sponsor. why would anyone give u scholarships if u dont even apply anywhere? what'll happen to that money if u didnt actually went to study?

overseas universities also complies to the LAN requirements. which means, there are universities recognized by LAN that would allow JPA to sponsor. refer to the first post in this thread for the list. i'm not sure about how openings the have, but u can always opt for JPA loan instead.

when i gave an example, it usually means "this is one of the example of thousands of other options out there".

JKR is not the only place where u could end up at. a lot of people prefers JKR bcoz the opportunities to hope to other places after ur contract ends. people worry about not being able to get a job, bcoz architecture is the first profession to die if the economy goes down (like the 1997 recession). hundreds of architects got retrenched, and at the same time, hundreds more graduate.

the requirement is to serve the government. there are hundreds of different ways to do this, and JKR is just one of the favourite choice.

five year contract is short lah.

failing to fulfill the contract will mean they can take court action against u. outcomes varies on how good ur attorney will be

well , i tought the system is jpa will chose any uni in those overseas uni for us..then we juz accept it or decline it.....
then....wat uni tat we should apply?...any recommendation?...where is better uk?aussie? NZ?......
pening oh pening...mmg tak paham betul how the system works~



worth to take loan anot?....coz i really sked no money to pay back.
well, as u know...its mostly almost every student dream to study overseas ( not to say local is no good, but studying outside open a chance to understand how the other part of the world works...i mean, there's slim chance for us to go overseas at the same time enjoy 'living experince; there..its different from holiday experience...* gosh..i hope u understand wat im crapping about*')




erm...now u make like arhcitecture seems like a risky job, but our economy becoming stable rite?.....if not..how bout run to other country to work?( if the history re-plays)
5 years is short?.....erm......sounds long, but better secure a job rather than being jobless rite?.....anyway..sure ar 5 years?...i alwiz hear they say 10 years 1 .

thanks in advance

This post has been edited by sleep_walkerz: Mar 6 2007, 01:22 AM

i've listed overseas universities accredited by LAN and recognized by JPA in the first post.



u're too scared for the future. government (JPA) loan has no interest. u pay what u borrow. and u'll spend about 15-20years paying back, which is not a big deal if u keep earning money/working.



u havent read the newspapers lately? world economy is a little edgy right now. no matter where u run to...

read my previous posts. contract depends on what they offer u.

Sleep_walkerz

Yeah I may aim AA as my second stage to continue my degree.But I also aim for other Uni which mostly in UK.

Just like what Azarimy said,studying in UK make u explore more and you are not only in a country itself.In UK u can go to any europe country u wan as long as u hv enough money to go travel.haha...i'm saving money.

Azarimy,

Do we need to do the what international student identity card?So we can save more money on travelling n spending.is there something like that???


Thanks.

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Added on March 6, 2007, 5:55 pmand can u tell me more about the UK's study loan?cuz i dont really understand bout the AA's study loan.It says we pay bac our tuition fee by 9% of our salary will be minus if we r earning 18000 pounds of salary.Then i calculate it,we at least nid to take ten years to finish paying the debts.n if we dont get salary more than that a year then how?

Thx.hope everybody who face this problem befoere would help


This post has been edited by Carrielyn: Mar 6 2007, 05:55 PM

u mean the ISIC card? sure, once u've enrolled here, apply for the card immediately. u can google it to find out more. LOADS of discounts, not only for travelling, but for other services as well.

i dont know much about the UK study loan. more familiar with JPA's study loan. assuming u're talking about loans offered by the UK gvment or any UK bodies, that would mean u'll need to stay in the UK to pay for ur loans. i cant imagine earning more than in the UK to pay back for the loans.

anyways, it might be worth to understand that although u plan to study ur part 2 in AA, u will not be studying for degree.

i've checked some of the overseas uni that had been recomended in the 1st page.....

aza, as u said, u recomend UK( europe) rite?
among all the listed uni, which is the better choice ( i know all is world wide recognize but which 1 is more convinient for malaysian?)

as for hong kong uni, their requirement is stpm ( does this imply that A levels or diploma would not stand a chance to enter ?)


explain plz!


lol, if i given a chance to study abroad, i would die of happiness dy, no need travel ( well, i dun think my current status even afford to pay the fees for degree courses in UK, forget bout travelling~sobs)
after read previouos page ( no wonder i keep asking the same question, i skipped a page or two...sorry!~), i think the best way is like aza had suggested. go overseas after diploma.

carrielyn , dont forget to tell us( me) wats ur final dicission late on !

ohya , another thing, demand for architect is higher in well develop country( negara maju) or developing country ( sedang membangun ) ? * i juz debated with my friend, so i wanna varrify the answer*

generally, i'd stay off london bcoz of the high cost of living. that would mean crossing off top schools like AA and bartlett. other big cities such as manchester, liverpool and birmingham are still a little high, but more affordable than london. cities like sheffield and manchester has loads of malaysians that has completely integrated with the communities there. for muslims, almost all big cities has huge muslim communities, so that wouldnt be a problem.

what else could be constituted as convenient?



it means STPM or A-levels equivalent. diploma is rated higher than A-levels or STPM. so if STPM can apply, means diploma can apply as well.



AA doesnt have degree as far as i'm concerned. they have diploma and advanced diploma. then straight to masters and phd.

that is a rather complex question. developed countries need architects becoz individually there are more individuals/private corporations who wants to improve their homes, businesses etc. which means a lot of money flowing there. developing countries on the other hand demands more development, hence the money flows directly from the government mainly.

msia, although a developing country, is basically on the verge of popping out of the cocoon. although most projects still come from the government, there's a fair share of private projects around to feed most architects.

so which is more in demand? i'd say developing countries. they have less architects per capita compared to developed countries. for example, malaysia has about 1700 registered architects for the entire 27million malaysian, that's about 1architect for every 16,000 msian. france for example has about 1 architect for every 1000 citizens.

oh..tiz is another thing that im not so sure about. wats so special about advance diploma?.. does local uni offer thiz course?

n wat is naval architecture really mean?...

thanks for everything!

advanced diploma is not entirely a degree. as i've mentioned before, AA is a school that philosophical try not to comply to any conservative rules. so instead of a degree, they have advanced diploma. it's not a degree yet. by definition, advanced diploma is everything a degree is, just without thesis. but in AA, their advanced diploma has thesis!

naval architecture is a different set of architecture that concerns constructions on or near water. this commonly talks about oil platforms, but also includes sea/river front constructions, underwater constructions and the likes.

azarimy,

why isit the archi course in UTM takes 6 years while in UM and USM only 5 years?

and since UKM and UPM's archi course hasnt been approved by PAM, does that mean their courses aren't worth a try? r their qualities lack behind those in established ones very far???

how much longer wud a UKM/UPM archi student hv to take compared to a PAM recognised one as in UM and the likes?

This post has been edited by europology: Mar 8 2007, 03:11 AM

UTM used to be 6 years. it's all now 5 years. in the old system, the course intake is from SPM, and is divided into two parts: diploma (3 years) and degree (3 years). so now it's 5 years, but the intake is from STPM/matrics, the same with all other universities. currently for UTM it's a single degree course which is 5 years, compared to UM or USM which is two degrees, 3+2 years.

but UTM still retains its diploma programme, which is currently run in UTMKL. the intake is from SPM.



i cant answer this question without being biased. i would recommend approved universities other than these two, but not because they lack quality, but rather the concerns of accreditation. u want to be a professional architect in msia? then better follow the safer path.

UPM have been working for their part 1 for awhile now. UIAM recently was awarded part 1, LUCT still partially accredited. UKM is even more behind in terms facilities and curriculum, despite having some of the best professors of architecture there. 3-4 professors doesnt make a good school, so right now they're trying really hard to increase members of the staff.

facility wise, from what i've seen, LUCT might offer one of the best facilities for architecture. library? research? teaching staff? UTM, UiTM, UM and USM. budget-wise? UiTM.

i really dont know. they will need atleast 3-5 batches of students to graduate so that lembaga akreditasi negara could safely compare and decide on the qualities they produce. UPM is about to produce its first graduates about now. UKM still has a few years to go.

u could join them now, and hopefully be accredited by the time u graduate.

waieh, carrielyn going UK oh...
sound better too ..more exposure..
here aussie Building tech relevation is 25 years behind UK..
so alot policy doesnt work with current setting, the further i go dig ard aussie, the more deepshit i found.

is there any disadvantage if being awarded 1 degree (UTM) rather than 2 (UM, USM)?

not really... u can boast bout it though... "Hey how many degrees u got? I got TWO!"

wat really matters is that your degree is accredited wil Part 2. thats more important.

another important thing bout 2 degrees is that u can stop halfway after 3 yrs, and decide to work or continue ur life elsewhere.

at UTM, its 5 yrs straight n no turning back... so be prepared to get stuck in da world of architecture for 5 yrs.

This post has been edited by xtracooljustin: Mar 8 2007, 03:29 PM

like justin have said, not turning back.

architecture is one of the most stressful education in the world. diving headlong for 5 continous years might not be healthy for most students who're not prepared for it.

the advantage of a single 5 year course is that, u know u'd graduate as an architect after 5 years. u dont have to re-apply or worry about whether u can continue for ur 2nd degree or not.

the disadvantage is, like have been said before, it's stressful. and u only get 4 semesters of extension.



the advantage of 3+2 course is that, u can take a break in the middle to go out, work, SOCIALIZE, take a breather, and come back in again. if u want, that is. or u can opt to change environment, meaning apply to a different school, or even apply to continue ur 2nd degree abroad.

the disadvantage is, for those who WORRY too much on graduating as soon as possible becoz his friend who took business degree already started earning, u might not be able to secure a place immediately after 1st degree. u'd need good grades when finishing off ur 1st degree to continue.

having said that, da 5 yrs system does hav a bad point. Poor students who dun make da cut still graduate. truth to be told there are a number of this bad apples in UTM 5 yrs system. failing to continue to the next yr, repeating students hog up n take up precious places meant for the upcoming students.

in a 3+2 system, if u dun do well, u can say good bye on applying for the Part 2 degree in most local unis.

if ur still not confirm on whether architecture is the right path for u or u found a different calling during mid studies in the first degree, at least you hav a way out in the 3+2 system.

This post has been edited by xtracooljustin: Mar 8 2007, 06:40 PM