[Ashkandi, Greatsword of the Brotherhood]

BAM!!!
p.s: KOF suck on FM

This post has been edited by mE_duNNo: Jan 3 2007, 04:11 PM

I've been in raids where better geared mages were being outdpsed by not-so-well-geared mages. Hell, I've even seen a lock in 4/8 Tier 1 and he was below the MT and OT in dps charts! How the fark that happened, idk... maybe he was afk half the time or watever.

End of the day, IMHO its not how GEARED you are, its how GOOD you are!

Agreed! When I first went to MC with my guild, I was in blues and a couple of greens. The best geared person was our MT who was in 3/8 T1 plus other blues. We managed to get to Geddon with that and 3 weeks later we cleared Rag. Subsequently farming MC at under 4 hours. Then drama happened (as usual) and 70% of the guildies left/quit the game. At that time our guild has become quite famous and many people wanted in. These people are in epics and waving their benedictions around. Yet, we couldnt even get past Sulfurion. Took us about 2 more months to actually down rag again.

So...yeah, I agree that skills > gears.

The reason his DPS sucks is because he is wearing tier1

sigh.......
2/8 tier 0 lol

still haven reach lvl60, all becoz of that stupid earthquake, if not now 60 liao....sian

It's not that. Depends on how you spec. If you speced for PvP, you gonna suck on PvE raids. PvP spec has more damage but only for a short period. Raids are long period battles especially bosses. You are a lot more mana efficient if you speced for PvE. That's the difference.

yes its all about specs especially if ur a mage , as fire and frost spec have alot of diffs in dps.

Yes, your specs make a difference, so do gears. I was in WSG once and I had a mage+hunter on me. I dotted them and kept healing myself and both of them ran out of mana and I was still healing myself happily. Why? Coz their gears suck.

BUT

IMO skills are still the most important factor. E.g. when my guild first tried Skeram, we kept wiping because the 2 OTs kept dying. They died because they weren't getting any heals. They weren't getting any heals because their healers were all OOR or out of LOS. All the healers did was kept screaming OOR! OOR! over vent but doing nothing about it. It's our job to keep the OTs alive. If they're OOR then you should get in range. Not scream at the OTs to get in your range. Even with the bestest gears, with mindsets like that, I doubt the raid would be a successful one. Of course there will always be incidents of bombing the whole raid during Vael & Geddon, riding on Ony's tail etc which all boils down to skills, reflex, and common sense.

What I'm trying to say is that for a successful raid, all 3 factors: gears, specs, skills do matter but if you have to say which one is the MOST important factor, I'd say skills.

But yeah, for mages, specs matter a lot more. A fire mage in MC.......

This post has been edited by seen: Jan 4 2007, 03:32 PM

no offense but that would be more of a strat problem , with a good strat , you dont really get los / oor probs on skeram

and for a raid , i'd say gear > spec > skills
high end gear more than makes up for spec deficiencies
also , gear gives you more room for error , which in turn helps make up for lack of skill = p

for mages all specs are pretty much raid viable now , be it in MC or naxx , in my opinion at least .

and like some1 already said , mage t1 is teh sux ... your better off in random stuff from zg / aq20 / 5 man instances

This post has been edited by Heemee: Jan 4 2007, 04:01 PM

i feel undergeared reading this thread /cry

@nocturnus: love your char.. gear is bonus

agreed. nothing is more satisfying beating down a full t3 pally after he bubbles with mixed epics from ZG,AQ20&40,BWL and MC.

i prefer skills>gear>specs especialy if ur in naxx

well it depends on which fight
fights like thaddius/4h are extremely gear dependent tho
no doubt skill is important too , but there are some fights which focus more on gear

don't worry tier 3 will be old news soon

and...new epic raids will be 25man. no excuse not to be able to raid than...

Thaddius/4h is all about the raid or I should call it "Teamwork". Anyone that is dreaming or lagged on Thaddius could kill the raid. One wrong move on one of the divided "Teams" for 4h will spoil that fight, especially letting the tank die on Morgraine or leaving the tank being meteored on Thane at the wrong time. It's not gear dependant at all. Even with 4/9 Dreadnaught, there are a few times that our tanks got the taunt resisted 3-4 in a row which is retarded. I won't have that problem if I have a tank with proper gear though. There are some "backup taunts" for warrior.

Mmorpgs are always class/gear > spec > skill for PvP.

skill > gear > spec for PvE.

An average player with best gear could beat a good player with 1 tier behind gear. Don't believe it? Try fighting dps classes at tier3. This game's itemization sucks for non-dps class.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Jan 5 2007, 01:40 AM

I R DPS (post 1.8)

thats what i meant oO .. unless u mean a netherwind mage with sotsf beating a mage in frostfire with soulseeker / a'tiesh.... i dont see that happening >.<

and on thadd , i really doubt undergeared ppl can down him before enrage , ppl dreaming / dc / not paying attention to thaddius arrows = lack of concentration / bad isp or luck ... has nothing to do with skill
and on 4h , if u thought 4/9 was getting resisted a lot , its even worst without lol

i dont know , i just think skill is seriously overrated in PVE , all it takes is just 40 ppl with the right gear and attitude / concentration and a bit of luck to kill stuff

pvp tho is a different story , where skill prevails or in the case of WoW can be replaced by engineering lol

I beg to differ at this point. Gear play a major influence in PVP. With good gear you stay alive longer. BUT that doesnt mean they are better. I personally only uses mix MC and BWL gear as a mage and whooped 4 horde's ass none stop in WSG while they are all sporting BWL and PVP geart.
Its a combination of 1 rogue, 1 shaman, 1 mage and 1 warrior. ( Thank god no priest or warlock, phew)
Skill can take a lot of the balance out of gear. With good skill, you can make a lot of damage against oponent that are geared godly.

huh? What is OOR? theres no OOR in a priest dictionary.

When u are equiped with at least 5x tier 1.. you should remove OOM in dictionary except for fight like nefarian, or twin emp onward.... else. gkick:P