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post Jul 11 2016, 11:09 PM

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Received a FSM marketing email with this infographic

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/artic...emailblast.html

Reminds me of what I've been doing lately, comparing the fund returns from various fund house. But can I give some constructive feedback?

The poster is too wishy-washy. The text n the table does not link and FSM is too chicken to tell ppl why they put up table like that

Also, the method to select what funds to include is very unclear, what is the basis to determine what funds to be included in the 'selected Malaysian equity funds'? And how to determine 'the most popular Malaysian equity funds? Highest AUM? Fastest growing in the past 12 months?

Infographic is good. But must send a clear message and supported with facts that is not biased
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post Jul 11 2016, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 11 2016, 11:04 PM)
Sorry I am just a layman investor bro. No time and expertise to track IRR...
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The excel spreadsheet in first post is fantastic. Doesn't take too long to set up n once done it's so easy to maintain. Highly recommended
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post Jul 12 2016, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 11 2016, 10:52 PM)
Sold down 1/2 of my holdings today in Ponzi 2. Started investing in a 'junk bond' fund last week; made 1.25% profit in one week.

May diversify later into REIT and gold fund. Currently heavily loaded in Libra Asnita Bond Fund. My alternative investment fund is still making losses; should be ripe for harvesting in 4Q.

EISC and KGF still steady; profits at 19.54% and 12.25%.
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What is your fund selection or asset allocation strategy actually?
cos I thought you sold RHB ATR which has a small exposure in asian high yield due to volatility and now you are buying into a pure high yield?

Did you buy the RHB high yield or the EI one?

I a bit chicken with asian high yield after reading this
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...and-Brazil-7253

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6. A reduction in exposure to the Asian bond and Asian High Yield segments in ones fixed income allocation could be appropriate at this juncture, with our preference for the exposure to be allocated to the short duration segment.

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post Jul 14 2016, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(Amatiel @ Jul 14 2016, 08:56 AM)
I invested a huge chunk in this fund with an agent at peak (0.69) before I knew bt fsm. I think it's more or less -25% now I don't know, I don't dare see >.<
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So are you still in good terms with this agent.
Anyway, how's your journey with FSM so far?

sorry, just couldn't resist chatting up another fellow female forumer. Not many in this thread blush.gif
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post Jul 14 2016, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(joeaverage @ Jul 14 2016, 11:20 AM)
Thanks... why interesting? It looks pretty much the same as the previous year one cool2.gif
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post Jul 14 2016, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(Amatiel @ Jul 14 2016, 10:56 AM)
Yes still ok with the agent, can't really hold agents responsible for a bad fund right? it looked good at that time.
yeah.. about female forumer.. why is that? does that mean there aren't many female investors?

for fsm, i think i'm doing okay since then, i never throw any huge chunk anymore, I DCA alot. Learnt alot from fellow forumers.  notworthy.gif
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Not to say blame the agent, but his/her recommendation is really quite off right? Especially if this is the only fund that he/she recommends to buy instead of setting up a portfolio with funds in different segment so you don't end up losing 20% of portfolio value

Anyway, participate more lor. Maybe there are more silent female readers around but mostly shy to participate? Or maybe they prefer to buy from agents instead of DIY.
I always believe that we learn through sharing instead of just accepting whatever others say
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post Jul 14 2016, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(Amatiel @ Jul 14 2016, 02:58 PM)
maybe I'm unlucky, the very few agents (pm, pacific, hwang) whom I've met never mention anything about setting up a portfolio (how can? I think this is the most important part!) or help me understand how the market works. Mostly just say this fund good, buy. that fund good, buy. I had 0 knowledge about funds then so I just buy whatever lah and we all know how that turn out. so.. that was a few years ago.

now i'm slowly building up a portfolio in fsm buying a few of the more popular funds and do DCA and understand abit more along the way. I think as long as you top up every once in a while, chances of getting heart attack is very low?

Don't know anyone who'd still prefer to buy from agents after they knew about fsm. That's 2% sales charges vs 5.5% not to mention the convenience with fsm. just wish i had known about this platform sooner - found by googling, joined Mar 2015.
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Erm, based on my limited observation, most agents or bank relationship managers only push funds. I only learn about portfolio construction after I started in FSM

But then not fair to say 100% of them are bad since there was this agent who came to kacau in FSM thread and showed us some good information rclxms.gif

Well, after being FSM's biggest advocate, I'm slowly learning that not all people should DIY. Some of them just find it too much work and not sure what they should do, and they ended up buying the most popular funds like how you would have with agents. So these people may be better off doing it with agent that can do portfolio construction. But yes, for those who want to DIY, FSM is pretty good. As soon as I tell agents I'm with FSM, they will all back off jor; that's if they didn't back off when I challenge their basis to recommend certain funds
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post Jul 14 2016, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jul 14 2016, 05:07 PM)
u generated this chart from FSM website? or u do your own?
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You can use the template created by a fellow forumer. The link is in first post. Highly recommended
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post Jul 14 2016, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jul 14 2016, 03:30 PM)
Just because they are popular doesn't mean they are the right choice of funds. biggrin.gif

just cautioning you to be wary of what you are getting. though i have to admit my list of funds do consist of the popular funds.

FundIRRROI% of Portfolio
Kenanga Growth Fund4.68%8.8735.64%
Aberdeen World Equity4.21%7.17%22.55%
CIMB AP Dynamic5.20%8.73%23.90%
Manulife India1.96%2.61%7.2%
EI Asia ex-Japan Target0.16%0.23%4.69%
RHB Asian Total Return Fund12.46%17.22%6.03%
Portfolio4.69%8.00%100%

as at 14/07/2016
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Wow, very high in foreign fund and only 1 foreign bond fund. What's your plan going forward? Any plans to switch out of lagging fund like EI asia ex-jap target?
But quite good lor, everything positive.
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post Jul 15 2016, 06:42 PM

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TRANSFER IN

Recently got to know 2 tricks with transfer in

1. Vanguard 2015's credit ninja trick would apply even for transferred in funds

2. On a case by case basis, we can go request for sales charge waiver if we liquidate the funds not carried by FSM and purchase funds from FSM - courtesy of cari chinese forum rclxms.gif

So, anyone doing any transfer in?
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post Jul 15 2016, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 15 2016, 06:53 PM)
I thought sales charges will be chargwd only when buying? Selling does not incur any charges?  hmm.gif
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Sell on public mutual
Buy from FSM - supposedly have to pay sales charge. But in the case of transfer in, no sales charge
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post Jul 15 2016, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jul 15 2016, 08:43 PM)
i did it few times already, no need nego skill. just email to them will do. 1 month grace period from the transaction date of sale of your pm fund. just email to them and the system will automatically set to 0% for a month except affinhwang's fund.
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Great to hear! Does that only apply to cash investment? EPF cannot?
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post Jul 16 2016, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jul 16 2016, 05:12 PM)
wow, knew this since more than 3 years ago when join FSM and done that. Was a topic of discussion in our forum for several times since then.
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Paiseh, I haven't been active here for so long. And never had intention to sell PM funds to transfer in until last few months

I'm going to say this again - public mutual funds returns SUCKS
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post Jul 16 2016, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 16 2016, 11:07 PM)
bbgoat somebody say your PM fund not good wo.
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Wah, put me on table like that. Anyway, I've always made my stance loud n clear. U can go read public mutual thread. Or if you can read mandarin u can go read Cari Chinese forum FSM thread too. All supported with numbers n facts
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post Jul 17 2016, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Jul 17 2016, 11:45 AM)
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Ignore that guy who acted like a troll ! Most of the time I ignore him and when necessary bash him. Just a troll.

Each has their own opinion. The PM fund depends on what u buy and when u buy it.  laugh.gif
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Hmm, I don't quite agree with what you say about depending on what u buy and when since as far as I can tell, all the funds lag behind the industry in recent years. Your funds would obviously still make money, but is it making as much as it should.
Anyway, if you want I can elaborate more. If not I'll just shut up. After all it's not a nice feeling when ppl criticize what you are vested in. But sometimes I'd rather people tell me than to continue to stay in that bubble
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post Jul 19 2016, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(vseries @ Jul 19 2016, 04:01 PM)
Thanks. I was reading some user can transfer from Public Mutual to FSM and I thought I can do the same for M2U.
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This is a FSM thread. FSM promotes its free transfer in service and hence we talk about it

I've no idea if M2U facilitates for that, maybe they do, you would have to contact maybank for that. But why not use FSM as the platform? Is there anything that you feel they don't do as well as M2U? Sales charge is cheaper right? And probably more funds on FSM as well.
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post Jul 21 2016, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 21 2016, 11:57 AM)
I'm so happy, I'm sooooooo happy... at long last, a website that can compare apple to apple; orange to orange insurance product. No need to ask quotation from various agents to hunt for the best deal! Yay!
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wub.gif FSM Insurance!

Xuzen
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Limited insurer at the moment though. But glad to see that they are selling non-par plans which is not so commonly sold by the agents. Look forward to seeing the forumers here compare and critically assess the products although I don't need another insurance plan

Question - the health insurance - is it guaranteed renewal? Or general insurance style, subject to annual renewal and once you claim that's the end of it
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post Jul 21 2016, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 21 2016, 12:17 PM)
Just to share:
i just poked around in there for my personal death & accident term insurance options.

Tokio Marine Life's U for Life is still "more bang for buck" compared to the listed annual cost - like for like coverage (term 5 years & term 10 years; 500,000). Urgh.. was hoping to reduce my cost further tongue.gif

Note - i took total 5 years' & 10 years' premium cost to compare as some term insurance increases yearly or 5/10 years.
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I believe the insurance policies distributed on FSM and uforlife is of different class. Uforlife is strict term life with variable insurance charge and what you see for the future premium is only indicative; the ones distributed on FSM are non-participating life insurance policies which is closer to whole life

Happy to learn more from the experts though. adele123 would you like to tell us more? notworthy.gif
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post Jul 21 2016, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 21 2016, 01:11 PM)
er.. i chose the stated "Term" as opposed to "Health" insurance on the platform.
not term meh?
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hm... yahor, better shut up until someone more well verse come and explain tongue.gif
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post Jul 21 2016, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jul 21 2016, 03:25 PM)
Need to study and compare. Lol. Anyway, since wong sifu already did a quick comparison, guess uforlife may still offer term life at a lower cost. Note that fsm is still representing the insurance companies only 3 for now, they will get commission, what fsm is saying is, they take less commission.

Term life on fsm is those with level premium. Yes in the case of uforlife it increases every year and chances are they may revise the rates if the insurance companies's experience is not ideal. Chances are these rates don't get revised often. Professional opinion... smile.gif

Part of bank negara initiative in the next 2-3 years is to make insurance companies offer insurance product without intermediary hence lowering the cost of purchasing insurance.
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Sounds great! just a bit strange that uforlife is so much cheaper than the FSM options if they are similar products
And look forward to intermediary-less insurance products...

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