Off the top of my head...

Roma 7-1
Roma away which we lost 2-1, Ronaldo was one of our brightest spark and it was his run which was intrumental in getting Rooney's goal
Milan at home last season
Arsenal 4-2 season 04/05
Liverpool at home, Rio Ferdinand's comeback game
Arsenal at home 0-0, same game which ruud was attacked by Arse players. Ronaldo was one of our brightest sparks
Arsenal FA Cup final which we lost on penalties. Ronaldo was basically tormenting Arsenal again and again and again, Ruud didn't have his shooting boots on though.
Arse at home this season, scored 1, made another


I don't disagree with the fact that Kaka influence matches but I do think that saying Kaka is better than Ronaldo because he won the FIFA Player of The Year award is ridiculous really. The award is shambles. Why did Kaka win??? Is it because he won the CL?? His domestic season was somewhat poor last season, ditto this season. Messi over Ronaldo was just ridiculous for starters considering Messi was out for 2-3 months last season and Barca won nothing. Messi had a few nice goals, probably won Most Youtubed Goal award or something but that was it.

Luiz Ronaldo won it on the back of 13 games for Inter Milan and a successful World Cup considering that they were players with even better year at the time i.e. the likes of Henry. But it was given to Ronaldo because many thought football was just glad to have one of it's gems back.

As a pointed out earlier, someone on here said I seem to think that the award is shambles because Ronaldo didn't win it. Well the likes of Cantona, Giggsy, Scholesy, Becks, Keano and Ruud never won it when there were times in their career they could have a shout and it never bothered me one bit, so why should I be bothered by it now??

I think the reason he didn't win the player of the year award because there are part of his game that not many would agree with (admittedly he toned it down these days). It would be a big uproar if he wins it, imagine what the papers would put, "Serial diver wins player of the year award" would be one of them. While I am not suggesting that it was a conspiracy, but I think he needs to improve a little bit more, go up another level or two (which can be scary to think) then I am pretty sure that he might go close again.

On going missing on big games, while the league games are big, it is not the same with the games that would make or break their progress, I am talking about the likes of Semi against Milan away, FA Cup Final against Chelsea (couldn't be arsed to check more).

Also, I mean influencing the games in terms of bringing other players into the play rather than going by himself all alone, for that I'd put Kaka above Ronaldo, very much higher. Ronaldo is a more individual player who'd go and do it himself rather than one who would bring his team mates into play. That is also why he'd try and again to go for it himself but because his team mates was below par, the team didn't win and he's seen as the brightest player on the field. I am not knocking him, I think he is a fantastic talent, one that is about to realise his potential fully when he improves on his decision making a little bit more (admittedly, he's improved a lot upon it compare to when he first came, but in terms of bringing others into play, he needs to do more). Most of the time he'd see the dribble rather than the pass, which means he's more of a glory player. In big games, a lot of players would adopt a more cautious attitude which most of the time affect their play, he'd go for it and many a times got crowded out, but because he is willing to take on a couple of players, he is the "bright spark".

I am not knocking him, but just some observations of the limited games that I've seen him play. Plus the topic is to compare Robben & Ronaldo, not Kaka. Like I said earlier, Ronaldo is more of a forward while Robben is more of a winger, different type of player so a bit unfair to compare. If anything, I think it would be a better comparison if you compare Henry with Ronaldo as both are forwards.

at Jonno's post
ronaldo is way way way a team player now than 4 years ago
i think u never watched man utd matches this season
even sometimes we also want to see him dribbles the players than passing to teammates

me in before thread locked

both can 'goreng' but c ronaldo's are more exiting 1 - 0
c ronaldo score more goals than robben 1 - 0
c ronaldo has more hair than robben 1 - 0
c ronaldo already won an awards 1 - 0
c ronaldo can be dangerous in the air and set piece 1 - 0

both used to be well known for their good diving skills too draw

I agree with the fact that Kaka is more of a player that gets other player involved but bar this season, I think Ronaldo has been playing as a proper winger a lot as his assist total would prove. Disagree with the fact that he didn't win it because of that 'serial diver' tag. If not he wouldn't have won the Player of the Year award in England if attitude is the sole thing that is being taken into consideration. Hell, even Gerrard won it before and we know how he made the transition into quite a diver himself yet time and time again he is being considered for these awards. Ability should trump attitude in these kind of awards, if not Johan Cruyff wouldn't have been recognised as one of the best players in the world. The general feeling is that it's very hard or fully impossible for players playing in the English league to win the award irregardless of how good they are playing. The best proof I can give for this is the year 99. We swept everything in sight that we could have won bar the League Cup, yet Rivaldo was named the FIFA Player Of The Year. Yes, Barca did win the La Liga title that season but Barca was out in the CL at the group stages, of course being in the same group as us in the group stages. Beckham was pretty much had a targeting radar on him that year, Giggsy was practically going past every one, Keano was seriously bossing the midfield, Scholes was his ginger best, Yorke and Cole was banging em in like no one's business yet the award went to Rivaldo. But like I said, it dont really bother me. Just that I think it's ridiculous that some people think Kaka won the award because they won the CL. IMO, the turning point as that Man Utd vs Milan match. Had we gone thru, I'm pretty sure Ronaldo would have won.

Don't really agree with the fact that he's pretty much gone in big matches. Yes he does have some possibly quiet games i.e. Milan away, Milan home and away in 03/04. But there are loads of games where he shone and pretty much turned the game on it's head i.e. the one I pointed one earlier. Add one more I just remembered. Arsenal, FA Cup semifinal 03/04.

ronaldo for sure....he has many trick and his movement very fast.....

still can't end this discussion eh?

as long as the threadstarter/mod didnt close this topic, its on

So er, what's the two premiership title while he was with Chelsea?

surely its ronaldo... scoring goals more than strikers do...

your ronaldo scored again.. gongrats. that another milestone from winning the golden boots.. wel done

i not like both

Both got their own pros and cons.

my vote goes to robben.. he is more sharp in my opinion..

i think sometimes big players go missing in big games is that they are marked out early on ... if its a big game the team tries to lock down their best player ... thats y the other players seems to be playing way better ... like liverpool sending on mascherano to close down on kaka ...

You had that right, haven't been watching much football this season. Especially Man U matches apart from the one against us.

I agree that opposition would mark or target specific player(s) that they consider a threat to them, but if the said player is good enough, he would use this tactic to his advantage, in draggin the markers along with him and open up space for his team mate, just like how Maradona did in the 80's.

Anyway, as mentioned before, Ronaldo is not a winger, just because he started on the wings, either left or right, doesn't mean he is a winger. The same goes to Zidane or Figo or for that matter Ronaldinho, on the team sheet they are always on the wings (maybe not so much Zidane), but when the game start, they would almost always drift infield to the area where they can do the most damage. Admittedly, Ronaldo doesn't drift infield, I am not sure if he can hold his own in the middle even, as there are less space to work on there. More than often he'll step up to form a 4 - 3 - 3 formation, which as mention before, he is a forward, in the Henry mould. If one wants to persist that who is a better player, Ronaldo wins hands down, but then again, it'll be just like comparing say Scholes to Zidane, both midfielders, playing in the middle and both scores goals. Who is better?

Robben was really impressive in his first season in Chelsea.. but as season went on, he got injured a few times. He contributed alot during his years in Chelsea. His speed can be dangerous for opponent's team defence.

Ronaldo is just more consistent than Robben and doesn't get injured as often.

Ronaldo of course...he is more versatile as a player and have more to his game than just his tricks.....Robben is also dangerous with his speed and also left-footed...but overall, at present, its got to be Ronaldo.

in the looks department Robben loses already..

ronny for me