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 C.Ronaldo vs A.Robben, Winger vs Winger. it's fair rite.

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Jonno
post Jan 19 2008, 01:13 AM

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I reckon both are different type of players, can't really compare, although both are "wingers" but different type. Just like both apples, but one's a Fuji and the other is a Royal Gala (please goggle it if you have no idea what I am trying to say).

Ronaldo tends to player more as a forward than a winger while Robben TRIES to be a forward, he is more of a midfielder who would run at players, take them on, draw them out to try to pass to the team mates. While Ronaldo would try to take them on and finish it off. Another thing is that Robben would normally arrive late in the box while Ronaldo is right in the thick of action, therefore not many would see the involvement of Robben compare to Ronaldo.

I hate to say this, but Ronaldo, if he has his head crewed on properly (which recent times showed that he still need some sense knock into him), can be like an Henry who plays from the right or left, or even better, but the only thing is that like Henry, he tends to go missing in big games which is why Kaka was rated above him (couldn't be arsed to go up and read the spat). Kaka often influence matches, altough being shackled by other players he'd stillbe able to influence the game, compare to Ronaldo who has gone missing one too many times in big matches. I know I'd get knocked by his supporters when I say this, but please do point out matches, I mean big matches where he has a big say in it or influence it properly. icon_rolleyes.gif
Jonno
post Jan 19 2008, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(air_mood @ Jan 19 2008, 01:32 AM)
Off the top of my head...

Roma 7-1
Roma away which we lost 2-1, Ronaldo was one of our brightest spark and it was his run which was intrumental in getting Rooney's goal
Milan at home last season
Arsenal 4-2 season 04/05
Liverpool at home, Rio Ferdinand's comeback game
Arsenal at home 0-0, same game which ruud was attacked by Arse players. Ronaldo was one of our brightest sparks
Arsenal FA Cup final which we lost on penalties. Ronaldo was basically tormenting Arsenal again and again and again, Ruud didn't have his shooting boots on though.
Arse at home this season, scored 1, made another
I don't disagree with the fact that Kaka influence matches but I do think that saying Kaka is better than Ronaldo because he won the FIFA Player of The Year award is ridiculous really. The award is shambles. Why did Kaka win??? Is it because he won the CL?? His domestic season was somewhat poor last season, ditto this season. Messi over Ronaldo was just ridiculous for starters considering Messi was out for 2-3 months last season and Barca won nothing. Messi had a few nice goals, probably won Most Youtubed Goal award or something but that was it.

Luiz Ronaldo won it on the back of 13 games for Inter Milan and a successful World Cup considering that they were players with even better year at the time i.e. the likes of Henry. But it was given to Ronaldo because many thought football was just glad to have one of it's gems back.

As a pointed out earlier, someone on here said I seem to think that the award is shambles because Ronaldo didn't win it. Well the likes of Cantona, Giggsy, Scholesy, Becks, Keano and Ruud never won it when there were times in their career they could have a shout and it never bothered me one bit, so why should I be bothered by it now??
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I think the reason he didn't win the player of the year award because there are part of his game that not many would agree with (admittedly he toned it down these days). It would be a big uproar if he wins it, imagine what the papers would put, "Serial diver wins player of the year award" would be one of them. While I am not suggesting that it was a conspiracy, but I think he needs to improve a little bit more, go up another level or two (which can be scary to think) then I am pretty sure that he might go close again.

On going missing on big games, while the league games are big, it is not the same with the games that would make or break their progress, I am talking about the likes of Semi against Milan away, FA Cup Final against Chelsea (couldn't be arsed to check more).

Also, I mean influencing the games in terms of bringing other players into the play rather than going by himself all alone, for that I'd put Kaka above Ronaldo, very much higher. Ronaldo is a more individual player who'd go and do it himself rather than one who would bring his team mates into play. That is also why he'd try and again to go for it himself but because his team mates was below par, the team didn't win and he's seen as the brightest player on the field. I am not knocking him, I think he is a fantastic talent, one that is about to realise his potential fully when he improves on his decision making a little bit more (admittedly, he's improved a lot upon it compare to when he first came, but in terms of bringing others into play, he needs to do more). Most of the time he'd see the dribble rather than the pass, which means he's more of a glory player. In big games, a lot of players would adopt a more cautious attitude which most of the time affect their play, he'd go for it and many a times got crowded out, but because he is willing to take on a couple of players, he is the "bright spark".

I am not knocking him, but just some observations of the limited games that I've seen him play. Plus the topic is to compare Robben & Ronaldo, not Kaka. Like I said earlier, Ronaldo is more of a forward while Robben is more of a winger, different type of player so a bit unfair to compare. If anything, I think it would be a better comparison if you compare Henry with Ronaldo as both are forwards. icon_idea.gif
Jonno
post Jan 20 2008, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Jan 19 2008, 05:57 PM)
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ronaldo is way way way a team player now than 4 years ago
i think u never watched man utd matches this season
even sometimes we also want to see him dribbles the players than passing to teammates
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You had that right, haven't been watching much football this season. Especially Man U matches apart from the one against us.

QUOTE(whoopa @ Jan 20 2008, 03:19 PM)
i think sometimes big players go missing in big games is that they are marked out early on ... if its a big game the team tries to lock down their best player ... thats y the other players seems to be playing way better ... like liverpool sending on mascherano to close down on kaka ...
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I agree that opposition would mark or target specific player(s) that they consider a threat to them, but if the said player is good enough, he would use this tactic to his advantage, in draggin the markers along with him and open up space for his team mate, just like how Maradona did in the 80's.

Anyway, as mentioned before, Ronaldo is not a winger, just because he started on the wings, either left or right, doesn't mean he is a winger. The same goes to Zidane or Figo or for that matter Ronaldinho, on the team sheet they are always on the wings (maybe not so much Zidane), but when the game start, they would almost always drift infield to the area where they can do the most damage. Admittedly, Ronaldo doesn't drift infield, I am not sure if he can hold his own in the middle even, as there are less space to work on there. More than often he'll step up to form a 4 - 3 - 3 formation, which as mention before, he is a forward, in the Henry mould. If one wants to persist that who is a better player, Ronaldo wins hands down, but then again, it'll be just like comparing say Scholes to Zidane, both midfielders, playing in the middle and both scores goals. Who is better? flex.gif

 

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