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post Mar 19 2019, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(#Victor @ Mar 19 2019, 06:12 PM)
I guess option (1) would be ideal. Option (2) required investing so much time and cost for machines, as well as compounds on a daily driver.

Btw what are the differences using hand polish and machines other than suffering from muscle pain and effectiveness? Can hand polish achieve the same result like machines?
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Realistically, no, unfortunately hand polish will have a very difficult time achieving the same results as machines polish. When u hand polish, at best u could start with 30-40 RPM with your hands (if u bother to count the amount of rotations u do per minute on a panel), but by the time u have done 1 panel and moving on to the next, u will start to get tired and your speed slows down to maybe 20 RPM. A typical rotary machine's lowest speed is 600 RPM, so its easily doing 15-20 times faster work in polishing your paint. Besides, hand movement often provide far less consistent pressure on the pad and paint, and machines would generally have more consistent pressure.

Having said that, it is still very useful to have some compound and polish at home. If u do get some fine scratches, u can easily spot polish and remove some of these scratches quite easily.
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post Mar 21 2019, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Twins10 @ Mar 21 2019, 09:51 AM)
Rotary polisher for polish and then handwax?
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Tricky, rotary is great at cutting, but finishing had always been tougher, especially for the less experienced. That is why DA became so popular, because it can finish to high gloss and swirl free even for newbies.

Handwax generally is still the most practical option.
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post Mar 22 2019, 12:32 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD2q2gLzNlQ

For u 2-bucket wash fans out there, here's an interesting modification to the existing system. smile.gif
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post Mar 22 2019, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(V429 @ Mar 22 2019, 09:39 PM)
Interesting idea. Indeed it has the advantage of not diluting the soap bucket, but I wonder whether spin drying the wash mitt really can dislodge dirt inside? Or just make it dryer but the dirt stuck inside still remains?

Kinda wish he did an side by side experiment with these 2 different methods.
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From my own basic logic, the inner side of the wash mitt will have the dirt pushed further into the mitt, unless u flip it around and wring again with the spinner. Basic g-force rules.

If u guys got time and patience, then can try wash 2 cars with different variations of this method and see if what he says is true. smile.gif

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post Mar 25 2019, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(Superman07 @ Mar 25 2019, 08:52 AM)
2 days ago I fuel up my white car and the pump wouldn't stop so it spills out. I washed with water immediately and few hours later washed with car shampoo. However the next day I realised there are yellow stains on the paint. Tried removing it with tar & bugs remover and all purpose cleaner but wouldn't work. Some people said by applying wax (not sure they are referring to cleaner wax or what which has a bit of abrasive contents on it) it helps to remove the petrol stain. Thought of using the more gentle ways before resorting to clay bar or polishing. Any experience here?
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Cleaner wax is the super mild version of a typical polish, so u can use that first. If dont work then polish. Clay only helps to remove embedded contaminants, for ur case it is more of a stain that may have mildly etched in.
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post Mar 25 2019, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(tifosi @ Mar 25 2019, 07:37 PM)
I am planning to get a machine to try to polish and then use it to wax myself. I don't wanna spend too much maybe budget RM 300 max what do you think I can get as I see the B&D KP600 price is attractive but all everyone commented here it's close to useless.

I am not that super super particular on how the car turned out.
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Erm, while u may have the mindset of not being particular about how the results turn out, but think of it as u plan to get B&D KP600 which is quite useless, then u may as well save the RM300 budget and use your own hands to do the work and treat it as exercise. I kinda think anyone that is wanting to invest any money into a polish machine would want to see results that are far better than what can be done by hand, else why spend in the first place?

Alternatively u could also spend the RM300 going to a detailing shop to give your car some decent polish and wax.

Just my 2 sen.
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post Mar 26 2019, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(tifosi @ Mar 26 2019, 01:28 PM)
Reason for machine polish is the effort wise and I've done hand compound and polish before, the next few days muscle sore if I were to work the compound and polish off hard. If I don't do it hard enough, I'll be hazy. Maybe I am doing it wrong?

Sending to shop is one off while if I do myself, I can use it for other cars and also down the road.
Any recommendations?
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As now u understand, hand compounding and polishing can be extremely tiring if u want it done right. So u want to get a machine that replicates your hand efforts of a good quality compound/polish. There is where I would say that B&D KP600 isnt worth your money, because it probably wont do half the work u did by hand that made u so tired.

I did post earlier regarding hand compound and polishing. There is an exceptional disadvantage that your hand pressure can be inconsistent and thereby creating inconsistent results. Too much pressure and u are pretty much forcing the abrasives in your compound/polish to scratch instead of removing scratches, to little pressure and u are not removing scratches anyway.

Since u have the thoughts of investing in a machine that can use to compound/polish/wax other cars down the road as u said, then the suggestion is always to get a better machine.

http://osren.com/product/tools-and-accessories/all?p=1

https://www.facebook.com/shinematemalaysia/

https://www.facebook.com/rupesmalaysia/

A selection for u to choose from. However, unfortunately the budget definitely have to be higher than the initial RM300 u mentioned.

Just my 2 sen.
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post Mar 27 2019, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(slk @ Mar 26 2019, 07:39 PM)
NEVER EVER GO TO OSREN!
come in to get 1 item... come out with 10  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 26 2019, 10:02 PM)
That's because you're an logical person.

Imagine if you went to OSREN another 9 times just to get 1 product on each trip. Think about all the time & petrol that you'd be wasting.
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Lol, I always keep detailing supplies shop at the back of my mind so as I know I can go anytime to get what I need. That makes it kinda worse, cuz end up I do both that u guys mentioned, lol.

Lucky thing other than Osren, SGCB and Meguiars suppliers are far away for me.
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post Mar 28 2019, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(slk @ Mar 27 2019, 08:36 PM)
those 2 are available online  biggrin.gif
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I try to avoid shipping if it is within Klang Valley area. So kinda disciplining myself only to go buy when I am sure I need or want it, hehehe....

Now my itches are overseas orders for some stuff that cant get here, especially pads and latest Meguiars M110 and M210, hehehe....
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post Mar 28 2019, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 28 2019, 07:16 AM)
Based on my limited medical experience, it's best to began early treatment for the itchiness as soon as possible. Any delay may result in further aggravation like inflammation or eczema etc. Since the itch can be addressed by having things not found here, better do it quick or else you will probably aggravate the situation further.
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Lol, money tight and no sales, so only thing I can do is scratch myself. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 28 2019, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(quackpack @ Mar 28 2019, 09:52 AM)
Just curious, the M110 and M210 is for your own usage or detailing shop?

Have you tried the D300?
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Own use, detailing shop biz closed down long time ago.

Yes, tried D300, quite decent, but lacks more cut when required.
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post Mar 28 2019, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(quackpack @ Mar 28 2019, 10:49 AM)
Ah, that explains it. I would prefer D300 due to less dusting though. Tried M105 but dust too crazily.
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Agreed, and worse still is its flash drying which makes it almost impossible to remove without IPA assistance. This is one disadvantage that I constantly struggle to deal with.

However, M105's biggest advantage is its ability to cut very rapidly. Apart from M100, this is probably the next heaviest cut in their lineup. And since I had a gallon of M105 and being a home detailer takes forever to finish, so just hold back on other purchases for now, lol.
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post Mar 28 2019, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(quackpack @ Mar 28 2019, 11:18 AM)
Have you tried the rupes blue or yellow wool pad to increase the cutting level without going to high cut compound?

So far the highest cutting compound I use is D300, mix usage with rupes yellow wool pad or microfiber polishing disc

But I am not chasing for perfect finish though, maybe 80-85% and let the rest covered by sealant or spray coating.
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I dont use Rupes pads because they are quite expensive to replace when they eventually wear and tear. Also, I use a custom 5" backing plate for my Rupes 21Mk2, so I go for 5" Meguiars/Lake Country Microfiber cutting pads paired with M105, then Meguiars black pads paired with M205 for finishing.

The results come up to 90-95%, and because I tend to get lazy when it comes to protection after the first post-polish application, then this effort will last me for some time.

QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 28 2019, 12:21 PM)
I believe we are all in the same boat, unless we have a sovereign account like that of 1MDB or some sort.

The people whom I really admire are those who buys a new car & never cares about it, until their next purchase.

The amount of shit we go through for our beloved rides is unimaginable.
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I guess there are all sorts of car users in this world, and there are many who really dont care (some to the point where they hardly wash their car even). I always believe each to his/her own element, but I always offer my close friends and family some detailing advice whenever they see the world of difference between my car and theirs, lol.

QUOTE(lkoky @ Mar 28 2019, 02:02 PM)
Anyone interested to share the Meguiar's D10801 Super Degreaser - 1 Gallon ?

I just bought one yesterday RM140; but quite sure wont need that much. Area KL - Kepong/Selayang
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Aiya, I actually have 1 gallon of it bought last year, also hardly use (mainly just as a replacement rim wash). Could have sold u probably 1 liter of it, and still have plenty spare for myself.

QUOTE(slk @ Mar 28 2019, 09:16 PM)
IMHO, i prefer Karcher, those water cooled units. Support is easy too (Service center @ Glenmarie). My previous unit lasted me 13/14 years, when i trade in... i got higher value than my purchased price biggrin.gif
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Wow, didnt know pressure washers actually appreciates! U must have taken very good care of ur unit for a long time!

Personally though I had a bad experience with Karcher. Bought a Karcher vacuum cleaner, spoiled in less than 2 years even though hardly use, repair motor cost 3/4 price of brand new. Now just stick to Philips for vacuum cleaners, lol.
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post Mar 30 2019, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(genkis3 @ Mar 30 2019, 01:51 PM)
guys, currently im using Carpro PERL 1:3 mixture for my exterior plastic trim but it streak badly after rain.
surface is well prepared before apply .. is this normal?
any recommendation of other products which doesn't streak/run after rain?

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Hmm, I didnt get any streaking for rain post-application. Is that streaking or is it the rain washing off the PeRL?
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post Mar 30 2019, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(Alert_RaZO @ Mar 30 2019, 08:22 PM)
I want to buy a car polisher...
What spec should i look?

THose shopee lazada less RM100 one ok?

https://bit.ly/2FCkAkR
https://bit.ly/2JTfupG
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Erm, those are rotary polishers. I would suggest u research on youtube about rotary polishers extensively before considering. They are generally more for experienced detailers who know how polishing works.

Generally I would recommend DA for first-timers. U can read just previous or this page that I posted some links to reliable suppliers and brands.

QUOTE(genkis3 @ Mar 30 2019, 09:48 PM)
yes its rain washing off PERL.
its freshly installed body kit. wash with dish washer, follow by IPA wipe. cure time is more than 24hours.
i spray on sponge and spread it till the surface dry and non greasy feel. im not sure over apply not.. 1st time use PERL.
i just read at other forum that PERL perform not so well on hard surface. maybe the bodykit i bought consider harder than others plastic trim?
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Perhaps consider trying this: apply with your sponge, then buff off excess lightly with another clean towel. Then repeat with 2nd application. Hopefully this may work better?

Honestly I wouldnt know the difference between a "soft" and "hard" surface of plastic trims. I only know plastic trim by their roughness/smoothness, and even so I personally wouldnt expect PERL to streak like that.

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post Mar 30 2019, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(genkis3 @ Mar 30 2019, 11:20 PM)
yes bodykit with bare plastic surface. no paint or clear coat.
what i read is PERL will bond better on soft surface like tyres.
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Hmm, then I wouldnt agree entirely. I find that Carpro PERL as a water dilutable plastic and rubber protectant is great value for money, and not so much on durability. I have applied PERL on an entire car’s plastic trims (inside and outside the car), tyres and wheel arches. Typically I see it lasts longer on plastic trims because usually tyres will be the first to contact water (water puddle).

Perhaps I could suggest try using it a few more times and see if it still occur. Hope it helps.
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post Mar 31 2019, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(genkis3 @ Mar 30 2019, 11:45 PM)
like that must be something wrong with my prep step or mixture. ok, i will redo again with stronger detergent, IPA wipe million times ,PERL mix with distilled water then apply again and see how is it going.
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Perhaps I would suggest skipping the IPA part. While IPA is great in many uses, it does strip plastics of their "moist" and eventually may make plastics crack. This is also true for rubber. If u do need to thoroughly clean your plastics or rubber, a good APC or even degreaser would do the job just fine.

Just based on my experience.
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post Apr 2 2019, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(Superman07 @ Apr 2 2019, 11:06 AM)
Got my new car and surprisingly the original factory paint has imperfection such as dust nibs (dirt stuck onto the paint) on the hood/roof which is the size of sand and noticeable only at certain angle. I am surprised since it's a Japanese car and I believe car paint factories need to be dust free, hence such occurrence will be very low. Anyone has encounter such imperfection and what do you do with it? Just leave it or remove it? Personally I plan to leave it because removing it simply means cutting of a layer of paint but it's interesting to hear your experiences.
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I think paint imperfections from factories are quite rare generally, as from my understanding factory painting is done by precision robotic arms. However it is not impossible to happen despite all the care taken to prevent it.

Depending on the type of nib u have, if it bulges out then u have the option to shave it with a razor blade (use extreme care), or spot wetsand it to flatten it and follow up with compounding and polishing.

If it concaves in, then u may need to spot wetsand so that the surrounding clearcoat levels (or close to leveling) with the concave, followed by compounding and polishing.
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post Apr 2 2019, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(Superman07 @ Apr 2 2019, 01:50 PM)
Yup the same thought played in my mind too and I am kinda disappointed knowing this manufacturer is well known for QC. Just wondering if any forumers here have similar experience with their new cars.
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Well, I drive Honda Civic 2016, bought among the first or 2nd batch, my disappointment when collecting the car was the gaps between the doors, fenders, bumpers, rear boot cover, all got alignment issues. Had to get them to readjust to give the gaps a more even look, else ppl will think I wrecked my car and all are replaced parts, lol.
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post Apr 3 2019, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(StevenL @ Apr 3 2019, 01:46 PM)
Is it advisable to use polish and polish rear windscreen due to water mark? Otherwise what's the best DIY
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Generally, the correct compound to use to polish and windows is compounds that contain cerium oxide (key component). This is even available in pure powder form and can be used to polish windscreens once added with some water to make a paste. However, it depends on what defect u are trying to remove. Are u trying to remove water marks/spots or scratches? Does your rear windscreen have wiper attached (like typical hatchback cars or SUV), or no?

Also, just to note that side mirrors are not the same glass material as the windscreens, so removing waterspots with this method is highly NOT advisable.

On a side note, there is another method that is highly NOT recommended historically to clean waterspots, which is by means of using acid. However, in my recent polishing round of my wife's car, I had found that acid with the right dilution can still be highly effective and still safe (to a certain degree) to use. I do have to note that I have only tested it on one car (Toyota Altis) windscreens, and results may differ for other cars. Nonetheless, I believe it is worth sharing it as well.

QUOTE(Superman07 @ Apr 3 2019, 02:38 PM)
There is a specific glass polish as per my knowledge but for this kind of stuff, probably you want to get professionals to do it. My colleagues tried doing glass polish by himself and ended up changing the whole windscreen.
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Hmm, if your friend ended up changing the windscreen, that would mean the polish he used scratched his winscreen more than removing waterspots. Perhaps u could share what he used and how he did it for our analysis?

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