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post Jul 4 2018, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(whippy @ Jul 4 2018, 01:36 PM)
Hi guys

Just wanna ask is it necessary to send a brand new car immediately for detailing or wait until 2-3 months? Because I heard that sometimes dealer did a poor job at "touching up" all the factories defect (if any) to make it look brand new.

Also I'm wondering how much does full car detailing usually cost
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It depends on how u define detailing and what u are trying to achieve. As with all cars, they are usually parked under sun and rain in an open car park warehouse while waiting for buyers. Usually when dealer about to deliver car, they will send to a cheap car wash to clean it, and either get them to give a quick rub of cleaner wax or 1 round AIO polish if the condition isnt so good, but if it is not so bad they may just hand polish small spots at their office.

Upon getting your car, generally it should look quite good from the get-go, and if u just wash regularly and also wax regularly from then on, most of the time it would be okay. However, if u are the meticulous type and want to see a flawless paint, then sending it for some light detailing would probably be recommended. One way to see if dealer did a poor job touching up as u say is to use some good torchlights to inspect the paint and look for scratches ans swirls.

Just to share with u, last year my wife bought brand new Toyota Altis (black), and when brought home and inspected, I can see some scratches and light swirls in many places (made even more obvious because its black colour). So my wife didnt drive the car for a few weeks while I slowly detailed all the initial defects and applied coating on it. But thats just me, and everyone can be different.

QUOTE(IMBeta305 @ Jul 4 2018, 02:54 PM)
Can I just get any brush from the toilet cleaning department to clean the rims and tyres?
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As g88 said, toilet brushes are not recommended because the bristles are usually much harder. Wheel bristle brushes should be medium hardness so that its easier to go in and out between the spokes.

https://ezbuy.my/product/51000002958099.htm...20000000.22.0.0
https://ezbuy.my/product/51000139293939.htm...20000000.22.0.0

These type of wheel brushes are recommended because they are also bendable, so u can bend the top part to maybe 45-60 degrees to brush harder to reach parts of inner wheel spokes.

https://ezbuy.my/product/39882022.html?keyw...20000000.22.0.0

This type of wash mitt I personally recommend to use to clean the face of your rims (and also wheel arches if u want), as it is wearable and easy to twist and turn around the spoke edges.

For the tyres itself, u can use a typical toilet floor scrubber brush to brush it with soap.

Hope this helps.
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post Jul 4 2018, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(IMBeta305 @ Jul 4 2018, 04:44 PM)
Thanks ordered. Is this price okay? Going to get this as well
Lazada Meguiars Paste wax
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I think the price is good, cuz Meguiars official Lazada store is having good discount right now with free delivery.
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post Jul 6 2018, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(jassicaskylpm @ Jul 6 2018, 01:49 PM)
I wan to buy Oxide off ,but they didn’t ship Malaysia
Anyone know anything similar

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QUOTE(jassicaskylpm @ Jul 6 2018, 01:49 PM)
Hmm, saw a few video reviews and also demos on this product. Not sure what sort of chemical it is, but if there are any harsh or flamable chemicals in the product, it will be tough to ship here even via other non-direct means. Perhaps u wanna consider respraying instead?
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post Jul 6 2018, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(jassicaskylpm @ Jul 6 2018, 04:12 PM)
I have no rm400+ budget to respray shakehead.gif
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Depending on the size of area that u want to respray, I think u can shop around when it comes to respray prices. There are many cheap and expensive places to do it.

Alternatively, if u dont have the budget but still want to get it done urgently, u can always consider DIY respray. There are plenty of videos teaching on this also.
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post Jul 6 2018, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(toonny @ Jul 6 2018, 04:46 PM)
You are right bro. No budget, either save up, either DIY. Plenty of videos on youtube teaching how to prep and spray the car with just spray can.
Just go any hardware shop and search for color and clear coats spray.

Recently I found out MY DIY (not MR DIY) selling Samurai's 2k clear coats for RM 30.
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Agree. Personally I think these kinda DIY can become hobby and also basic skill. Always good to learn. smile.gif

Oh, dont forget sandpaper also, very important apart from spraycans.
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post Jul 8 2018, 12:16 PM

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Just sharing an easy wash method for the less detailed home detailers and busy folks. If u have difficulty finding time to wash your own car, consider quick washing at night. After dinner/prayers, performing a quick wash is a short exercise and not so sweaty and u can do it before your last shower for the night. All u need:

1) 1 Wash bucket with car wash soap and water
2) 1 Wash mitt
3) 1 large drying towel.

This method basically is for u to wash only body panels and windscreens. No washing rims, no drying door jambs, no interior cleaning. Quick wash top to bottom and quick dry, can be done in 1/2 hour (depending on car size).

Advantages:
1) Fast, should settle within half hour or less
2) Convenient, minimum washing tools used
3) Can be done any time

Disadvantages:
1) Higher risk of introducing swirls
2) Areas not cleaned this round will have more work next round
3) Not recommended to use with ONR


Just my 2 sen. smile.gif
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post Jul 8 2018, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(douglas_tong @ Jul 8 2018, 12:57 PM)
So...how many showers are we suppose to take at night?
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Haha, only applicable if u take shower at night before sleep lor. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 8 2018, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(douglas_tong @ Jul 8 2018, 01:16 PM)


So recently, dallas made a statement that ipa does swell paints, and dont recommend using it.

I dislike the fact that he did not included "why", rather just a don't use approach. (His attitude stinks btw)

1) In my experience, ipa wipe down does reveal more micro-swirls/haze/da haze. Have not seen any swelling that occurred while using ipa.
2) I've seen swells, in particular using too much polish abrasive in an area to remove caked up polish on soft paint, however, that swell will diminish over time. I understand this happens because polish abrasive will contain a bit of clear coat softener to make it polishable.
3) IPA is indeed weak in removing oils. General oils like cooking oils and grease. Further diluting it means weakening the ability to remove oil, i agree.
4) Polish abrasive usually uses mineral oil. In skin care, we have ingredients that are mineral oil based too...and makeup remover consists of denatured alcohol too. These are known as "solvents and viscosity decreasing agents".

My hypothesis is that ipa wipe down only works by using microfiber cloth, similar to rinseless wash. Much of the job of it is done by the microfiber cloth picking up dirt.
However, it remains a hypothesis. Mineral spirits and ipa does "loosen" some particles, and perhaps by loosening and picking/absorbing these unwanted particles up tantamounts to removing it?

Anyone here experience paint swelling with ipa before? This is unheard of la
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Honestly, the paint swelling idea is new to me, though I'm not sure if paint swelling is linked to DA haze, especially after finishing polish stage. I have seen the unexpected DA haze after ipa wipedown, but unable to ascertain if its due to my polishing not done right or ipa issue. Personally I dont use IPA wipedowns anymore prior to applying protection (replaced it with diluted dishsoap spray and clean, more effort, same result, no harm to paint), but even when I used to do it, it is fairly diluted, so I dont think diluted IPA can swell a fully cured clearcoat to the extent of potentially damaging it.

His 2nd part about diff products design based on brand, this is well known, but also pretty much up to subjective debate. Not everyone sticks to a single brand regime because no single brand provides the best in class in every area of detailing. Mixing and matching is expected, trial and error is also expected.

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post Jul 9 2018, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(phantommvp @ Jul 9 2018, 01:41 PM)
Hey guys, I am new to car detailing (recently went to a car was and wax, realizing I could have done it myself for a much cheaper price and much more detailed work). I am currently shopping from ground zero for whatever I need (although i think i saw a used rotary buffer at home somewhere). Any tips on which brand/product I should use as a newbie? My car is an Audi bright red color if that helps in deciding what to choose.

Currently on my shopping list:
2 buckets
Wash mitts
Grit Guard
Car Shampoo
Clay Bar
Detailing liquid for clay
Polish
Car Wax/ sealant (which one is better?)
Tyre brush
Tyre gloss
Windshield cleanser/ water repellant

Anything else I missed out? Quite a long list after I started listing them @.@ probably going to cost me a bomb to begin with.
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Perhaps let me try to break them down for u so that easier for u to figure out:

For general car washing:
1) 2 buckets
2) 1 Wash mitt
3) 2 Grit Guard
4) 1 Car Shampoo

For rims washing:
1) Wheel cleaner (optional, else use back car wash soap)
2) 1 Wash mitt (dont mix with car wash mitt)
3) 1 wheel brush (https://ezbuy.my/product/51000002958099.html?keywords=wheel%20brush&baseGpid=20000000345110&pl=2&ezspm=1.20000000.22.0.0)
4) 1 lugnut brush (optional)

For drying:
1) 1 large microfiber towel for drying
2) 4 medium microfiber towels for drying (1 for door jambs and engine, 1 for interior, 1 for rims, 1 for spare)

For deeper cleansing:
1) 1 claybar
2) 1 bottle Optimum No Rinse (ONR) (used as clay lube)
3) 1 tar remover

For paint correction by hand:
1) Compounding cream
2) Polishing cream
3) Hand size polish pad

For protection:
1) 1 Car wax tube or tub
2) 2 waxing pad

For most of the stuff, u can go straight to Osren for recommendations. ONR u will neet to buy online, best price from LYN member Waregem.

For protection, I suggest starting with wax first. Once u get the groove going for your detailing hobby and want to learn more, then come back and throw your questions here. Enjoy. smile.gif
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post Jul 9 2018, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(Derekk @ Jul 9 2018, 04:17 PM)
Anyone know what brand is this foam lance ?
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https://www.autogeek.net/tornador-air-foamer.html

This uses air compressor. My personal experience is it is not as good as the foam lance.
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post Jul 9 2018, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(phantommvp @ Jul 9 2018, 05:30 PM)
Super awesome for the tips bro! This is ultra helpful for me to compile a shopping list! For wax/sealant for a bright red paint, how is Osren comparing to Optimum or Meguair's?
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Mmm, I'll be honest I have never used wax/sealant from Osren or Optimum. My old tub of Meguiars NXT Tech Wax wax quite decent, then I moved on to Carpro Reload after my Meguiars tub finished (finally after 5 years, lol).

Considering your car is Audi bright red, I think most waxes will bring out the colour anyway. Your only consideration should be durability of the wax. For that I think Meguiars one lasts about 1 month per application (depending on weather conditions also).

QUOTE(Derekk @ Jul 9 2018, 05:48 PM)
thanks 😁
What brand of foam lance ?
What brand of foam lance ?
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If not mistaken the foam lance commonly recommended here is MJCC.
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post Jul 9 2018, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(slk @ Jul 9 2018, 08:23 PM)
1 week only... 1 of the official dealer said the same thing smile.gif.

your best friend will be frequent wash and spray wax.... AIO once a year or 6 months
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Hahaha, erm, guess my car is lucky that it often parked in the shade, and I tend to wash less after waxing to prolong the durability. smile.gif

I just bought Soft99 Fusso coat today, hoping that it will live up to its 1 year (or close) durability. smile.gif
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post Jul 10 2018, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(mcchin @ Jul 10 2018, 06:02 PM)
got my fusso ~mid June

parked outside but under roofing

1st wash after very dirty 2 weeks
dust, oily parked infront of Char kuey teow with fan pointing out wards

the washing is relatively easy
and the water beading still there
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Thanks for info!
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post Jul 12 2018, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(asern @ Jul 12 2018, 12:34 AM)
ok sifu-sifu sekalian, first time wanna try car detailing. Please do advise if this is the correct steps and right products/tools to use:

1) Wash
    - Tools = mitt, bucket with grit guard, snow foam lance(optional)
    - product = Osren buble&wax/Osren Nano wash/Meguiars gold class
    - additional products for wheels (separate wash mitt, wheel brush, wheel cleaner (optional))
    - microfiber cloths

2) Clean
    - Tools&product = Claybar with Meguiars Last Touch/ONR as lube
    - tar remover

3) Polish
    - Tool = DeWALT DWP849X/Osren DAP15/Porter-Cable? - which one better? <--- I suggest Osren DAP8 to start
    - Products = Meguiars Ultimate compound/Meg Ultimate Polish
    - masking tape, buffing microfiber cloth (preferably dont use the same cloth u use for washing/drying)
   
4) Wax
    - Tools = DA Polisher/Hand applicator <---- I suggest hand applicator, learn to apply wax thin by hand
    - Products = Meguiars Ultimate paste/liquid Wax/Fusso coat 12month

5) Maintain
    - wash every week
    - wax every 3months? then apply SiO2 sealant - Carpro/Feynlab

Correct?
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Generally u have the right idea, but as g88 say, there can be variations for every detailer depending on what they are trying to achieve. I added some comments to your post for additional reference.

With regards to your choice of polishing machine, I suggest starting with Osren DAP8 if u have no experience in this area. Dewalt is rotary and maybe not advisable for newbies, Osren DAP15 is heavier and also more aggressive cut (also maybe not so advisable for newbies), and Porter Cable runs on US 120V current means u have to carry a heavy transformer around.

Additionally, sealant is generally more durable than wax, so it is generally suggested that sealant should be the base layer if u want to apply wax as second layer.

Also, u should decide if u want to go for Meguiars Ultimate Wax, Fusso coat, or Carpro or Feynlab. Among these 4, Fusso seems to have the longest durability, and for some ppl it is not recommended to apply anything on top of Fusso else u bury Fusso under another protection layer and not maximizing Fusso protection.

Again, it is all about what u're trying to achieve.
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post Jul 12 2018, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Jul 12 2018, 12:44 PM)
I am new to car detailing. Any good product recommendation for washing? Plan to wash and wipe it clean weekly. I have some cheap, simple 2 layers coating done on my new car currently.
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I believe u can read back the last 2 pages should cover on some areas regarding washing. Personally I break down washing into 3 parts:

1) Rims washing, require bucket, wash soap, wheel cleaner (optional), wash mitt (dont mix with car wash mitt), wheel brush

2) Car overall wash, require bucket, wash mitt, wash soap

3) Drying, require 1 big microber towel for overall car, 1 medium microfiber towel for door jambs and engine, 1 microfiber towel for interior, 1 microfiber towel for rims or spare

On the topic for wash soap, I think it subject to individual budget. If u go Ace Hardware, u can find a variety. Personally I use Meguiars NXT wash, some prefer Meguiars Gold Class or other brands.

QUOTE(g88 @ Jul 12 2018, 12:45 PM)
Not sure if u notice Fusso coat is a dirt/dust film magnet ...if gone thru multiple wet > dry by sunlight or win...the contamination will be harder to be remove compare to other wax like M16, 1000P, and some other brand...
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Hmm, to be honest I have not tried Fusso coat before. In fact I just ordered (and lazada delivered) 1 tub for testing. As I understand, Fusso coat uses PTFE, so its advantage is mostly on high water beading and its beading durability.

However, I have read somewhere before that generally synthetic waxes are dirt/dust magnets in their own way, hence may require wax cleaners over time to bring back the shine. I suppose this is the unavoidable drawback.
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post Jul 12 2018, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(asern @ Jul 12 2018, 01:43 PM)
Thank you for the advise.
Another thing.. is shinemate ex603 good? its cheaper than osren i think.
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Unfortunately I cant tell u if its good or not because I have not used Shinemate machines before, however from the specs it is a 3" DA machine with 12mm throw, which is technically a clone of Rupes LHR75e. Because it is a fixed 3" size, u will need more effort when polishing bigger panels. In contrast, while Osren DAP8 is only 8mm throw, u can use either 3" or 5" backing plates (if not mistaken), so it gives u more variety of use.
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post Jul 12 2018, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(asern @ Jul 12 2018, 03:18 PM)
Ok. Apparently, DAP8 discontinued and replace with DAP3. Price is more expensive than DAP15.. over my budget.
Is Bosch Orbital good?
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If u are talking about Bosch GEX 125-1 A/AE polisher, I have an old one that I'm about to throw away or donate. To be honest, after using longer throw DA machines, Bosch DA throw seems to be the lowest, 1.25mm throw only, so it does very little in terms of compounding or polishing.

If u want u can have mine, but u have pay for delivery (if cannot collect from Wangsa Maju), and u need to get a new backing plate for it because my current one the backing plate velcro no more grippy.

I not sure what Osren DAP3 specifications are going to be like, I think it could be a forced rotation DA machine.

If u are on a fairly tight budget, then perhaps u can consider a vertical rotary polisher instead. While I generally dont recommend rotary polishers to newbies, however given that u could be on a tight budget, a typical Skil vertical rotary polisher would only cost RM200 (pads sold separately, u may need to find Osren for that). U may face a steeper learning curve with a rotary polisher, but good polishing results can still be achieved. Something for u to consider. smile.gif
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post Jul 13 2018, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(ralfvi @ Jul 13 2018, 10:38 PM)
lol just taught of buying the bosch. thinking of polish and sanding woodwork.
any issues with it ? seems from your comment need to buy separate machine for polishing work.
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Well, to explain it very plainly, dual action polisher’s comes from both orbit and free rotation (hence the name dual action). Rotary polisher is purely forced rotation, so can be very aggressive. The advantage of DA is supposed to be the ability to remove defects safely and greate gloss at the same time. Earlier generations of DA machines had very small orbits up to 5mm only, until companies started coming out with 8mm, 12mm and Rupes came out with 15mm and 21mm. The greater the orbit, the faster it can remove defects.

For Bosch, their orbit is only 1.25mm. So to remove defects it probably will take a very very long time and a significant amount of cream, so not cost and time efficient.

If u do basic carpentry, masonry or metal work at home, then I think the Bosch would work just fine as a sander. However, I definitely would not recommend it for car polishing work. As douglas_tong mentioned, there are quite a few brands available in Malaysia for car DA machines. If on a budget and dont mind a steeper learning curve to save cost, then rotary is just as good of an option.
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post Jul 15 2018, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Jul 14 2018, 09:41 PM)
a noob question.

Does all the microfibre towel the same? or there are actually differences?

For examples, meguiars brand microfibre towel is quite expensive.
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There are actual differences.

http://www.carwashmag.com/issues/feb-2011/...-management.cfm
https://www.theragcompany.com

Read through the article and check out the variety on the website, it will give u a general idea of the variations of microfiber towels.

Think for Meguiars, their towels are good but pricey. U can find cheaper towels that can do the same task just as well or even better.

QUOTE(Swivlev @ Jul 14 2018, 10:45 PM)
Hi guys, i have a lunar silver car. Just got a ceramic coating done. Any advice on maintenance care? The people who applied the coating suggested using SuperGold Carnauba wax. He said stuff like Fusso99 are a bit harsh@ not natural.

My question is, is carnauba wax good for maintenance?Is it very difficult to apply by hand for a beginner?
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Carnauba wax is a natural wax, not synthetic wax. Its durability is quite weak, but ppl swear by its superiority in glossing up your car. It should be quite easy to apply and buff off. If your coating supplier can recommend, possibly they may have tested it and the wax does not degrade or damage your coating unlike other waxes or sealants.

Perhaps I would suggest instead of getting a paste or liquid wax, is to instead get a spray carnauba wax instead. Just my 2 sen suggestion.

Maintenance wise, regular washing is highly recommended. As coating will repel dirt with relative ease, washing your car at home should not be difficult.

QUOTE(vindroid @ Jul 14 2018, 11:28 PM)
They recommended carnauba wax to maintain coating? Then what is the point of coating? There should be some kind of top coat maintenance product from their coating which maintains the existing coating.
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QUOTE(Zer0pulse @ Jul 15 2018, 08:26 AM)
why they still recommend you to do waxing?  sad.gif  when you do coating, by right we wont do waxing anymore. I was advised not to do any waxing, just regular car maintenance, if it rained wash your car within 5-7 days. fyi, watermarks will still occur, can't escape that, but some company, they provide free watermarks repair within the warranty period.
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While I understand and appreciate both your comments, personally I am abit torn in that argument. It is true that the original selling point of coating was its superiority of protection performance and durability over sealants/waxes, hence the original perception that after coating dont need to DIY waxing further.

However, having coated 2 cars myself and maintaining it over time and seeing the watermarks grow to an unbearable point, i begin to understand that coating in and of itself isnt perfect product. As some folks that uses Cquartz coating and apply Carpro Reload on top of it, the purpose of the Carpro Reload is meant to be the sacrificial layer against the weather elements, while the coating itself will protect your clearcoat against harsher stuff. Similarly, the topcoat that some detailers offer that equivalent function of being the sacrificial layer. There are also coating suppliers that dont have a topcoat, hence u may need to find your own topcoat of sorts to protect the coating.

Just my 2 sen, feel free to debate. smile.gif
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post Jul 16 2018, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(windskill @ Jul 15 2018, 10:30 PM)
Usually it's recommended to use proper topcoat/coating maintenance product with silica content (eg: Carpro Reload, Gyeon Cure, etc.) to extend the durability of coating or to rejuvenate the properties of coating.
However, it's not completely wrong to use a wax to maintain the coating or to serve as a topcoat actually. Auto detailing is a form of art, and there isn't any right or wrong solution, as long as you can achieve the result you want.

But, it could cause you some bad side-effect maybe. One needs to really try out different combo and see what's the outcome and side effect first. If the outcome is desirable, just go ahead smile.gif

In short, coating is still subjected to wear-and-tear and so it still needs to be maintained with coating maintenance product, either be silica based coating maintenance product or some other LSP, apart from regular routine wash. And yes, coating will cause you more watermark if you don't take care it well.

Side-note 1 : Coating surface has high surface tension and make water to form nice water droplets upon contact. It's the "beading" scene that most of the people like it. If water droplets with mineral content are left on surface and bake under hot sun, the water droplets serve as mini magnifying glass and heat up quickly, and so bake onto the coating to form watermark/waterspot. So, this is the scene where coating can cause more waterspot.

Side-note 2: Carnauba wax can be served as a gentle, mild cleaner to the coating to cleanse the surface of coating (instead of using claybar which could cause micro-marring or scratches if one is not careful), according to some detailers. I believe it should be the petroleum distillate content in the carnauba wax that helps to cleanse the stubborn dirt off the surface. However, if the carnauba wax is very oily, more dirt and dust could be attracted to the surface and cause more issue.
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Agreed on most parts of your statement. However, with regards to side-note 2, I'm just curious if the mild cleaner properties of a carnauba paste/liquid wax could also abrade and thin or even damage the coating. This was the theory in my mind that held me back from recommending a paste/liquid wax, but instead a spray wax that has the least amount of abrasives if at all.

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