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 Car Care & Detailing [V5], Caring for your car apprearance

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post May 22 2018, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(amdhunter @ May 22 2018, 07:53 PM)
thanks for the suggestion sifu  notworthy.gif
wanted to clean my cushion,  hmm.gif

karcher SC2?
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Well, it depends on the depth of cleaning that u want. If u are cleaning mostly surface layer of the cushion, then the budget methods I mentioned would work just fine. Karcher steam cleaner like the SC2 is also good if u want to mop the kitchen floor if it is oily after cooking. It is also great for cleaning greasy things or stubborn toilet stains without using harsh chemicals.

However, if u want to do deep cleaning and sanitizing, then a steam extraction cleaner like what slk mentioned is the better choice.

However, looking at the market offerings, I would agree with both slk and douglas_tong, u'd probably get move value by just paying someone to do the cleaning instead of investing a machine that u would hardly use beyond cleaning your car cushion once every year or few years.

So overall, my suggestion for interior cleaning would either be doing it the budget way or sending it out for shop to do.
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post May 23 2018, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(jyane @ May 23 2018, 10:50 AM)
Hi all, how u clean dusty fabric cushion?  i think vacuum wont make them go away. other than vacuum how u guys clean your cushion? mine very dusty but i cant get rid of it.
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Try reading a few posts earlier on cushion cleaning. With regards to dust in the cushion, I have one basic technique that I use and generally effective without need for high end equipment.

Firstly, wear a face mask, any face mask also can, but preferably the n95 compliant type to reduce the amount of dust going into your lungs. Then, have a vacuum cleaner turned on at the side pointing in the air near the cushion. Then, with your free hand, smack as hard as u can on the cushion to push the dust out on to the air and use the vacuum to suck the dust. Once most of the dust have been removed, then use vacuum cleaner to vacuum the surface of the cushions to remove the remaining dust that settled back on the cushion.

This is similar to how ppl hang house carpets and beat them with rackets or bats, but with addition of vacuum cleaner to clean off the dust.
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post May 23 2018, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(KnightSports @ May 23 2018, 07:22 PM)
Want to ask a question regarding the DA polisher orbit sizes. Is there any benefit to getting a bigger orbit size like 15mm compared to 8mm? It is just the coverage of working space only right?

Actually considering the DA polisher sold by osren

http://osren.com/product/tools-and-accesso...polisher--dap15

http://osren.com/product/tools-and-accesso...-polisher--dap8

Anyone tried it before?
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Sorry, the orbit difference isnt related to coverage of working space as u mentioned, but pretty much how douglas_tong explained. The orbit difference affects the amount of cutting power.

Just to add to douglas_tong's comment:

1) DAP8 has interchangeable backing plate, which means u can switch between 3" and 5" backing plates and pads. 3" is good for working in smaller surfaces, especially typical car boot area.
2) While DAP8 may finish easier than DAP15, however from cutting power standpoint DAP8 is less than DAP15.

May I suggest u take into consideration the pad and cream strategy u wanna deploy as part of this purchase decision. That would make it easier for u to decide.
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post May 24 2018, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(KnightSports @ May 24 2018, 09:41 AM)
Thanks a lot for your feedback, i do have a Skil 9080 polisher already and was using the Meguairs DA attachment previously but it broke.

This is one of the reasons i am buying a new DA and the meguairs MT320 is just too expensive to buy compared to this. Double the pricing.
Understood, i just had the simple thought that it has to do with covering space faster than an 8mm. Didn't even thought it was a leverage factor.

Seems like the 8mm is the way to go for this.

I have been using Osren products for quite long, i previously had and still have their Perfect Fifty and Perfect Cut to deal with acid rain etchings from my previous car. Also have Meguairs ultimate compound and ultimate polish. A bit of overlapping in terms of products.

As i am getting a new car, i won't really be doing so much work on it and will most probably send it to Heng to get it detailed and glass coated this time around.

Just thought of buying the tools at the same time since it will be a one time investment that lasts a long time.

If you both don't mind, any thoughts on this brand Europa Hilt for a pressure washer?

https://www.lelong.com.my/europa-hilt-press...9-01-Sale-P.htm

The price seems a bit too cheap to be true.

I had two Karcher before this but it broke and costs too much to repair. I had a K.2450 before this and another cheaper one but both didn't last long. Was thinking to purchase one to snow foam the car from now on.
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I have seen the brand around before, did some background check and I suspect they are a local company using Italian core tech but local assembly. During my travel in Italy, I dont recall seeing this brand being sold there. Unfortunately, I wont be able to tell u if the product good or not because I have not tried this product or even this brand myself.

I think for its price, there is no harm trying. Considering Knight Auto is a physical shop also, perhaps u can pay them a visit and ask more details such as warranty and parts replacement before committing to the purchase. Alternatively, u can also visit shops like CT hardware for recommendations. As I know, CT hardware is quite reputable, and they also have good in-house warranty support for numerous brands.
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post May 24 2018, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(KnightSports @ May 24 2018, 03:09 PM)
Haha. I don't know. There is really a lot of OCD people out there. I usually don't even dare discuss about those kind of things out in the open. Sure to attract critics of some sort.

I just like my car to be clean and a bit shiny. That is all. If it needs me to take a magnifying glass and a torch to see blemishes. I rather spend my time doing other better things.

Actually my K2 has very sporadic uses. It sees usage only once a month at best. I wash my car with tap water pressure only the rest of the time. Never use it for over extended periods. Just spray and rinse off one round before soaping it up and then spraying another round after properly washing it down. Never use it to scrub floors or anything.

At first i thought it was rust or something, but i usually turn the unit upside down and stuff to get all the water out before storage. So, i really don't know about my luck with Karcher. Wanted to try Bosch but the 6months of warranty is really just scary for something that pricey.
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Actually I agree with douglas_tong, so long as u are satisfied with your detailing results, that is what is important.

While often we watch videos like Larry AMMONYC and drool about the tools he has and results he gets, we must remember also that often our cars are daily drivers, not showroom cars. Thus, our detailing results are only as good between the day we finish detailing and the day we start driving. Defects eventually comes back for our daily drivers whether we like it or not, so we just do what we can to minimize causing the defects ourselves (regular wash with good techniques and tools, regular protection application). If anyone is OCD and want to chase for perfection in their detailing, its entirely up to them. Our forum is here to cater for all forms of detailers, from the laziest (like me) to the most OCD. Feel free to share your thoughts, no harm in teaching and also learning. smile.gif
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post May 24 2018, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(mcchin @ May 24 2018, 04:45 PM)
Okay guys

Been 5 months owning a new car

Not exactly understand the detailing ways

Shampoo used is turtle wax zip wash
Wax used is turtle wax ice paste
3m clay bar
Some rainx type mirror hydrophobic liquid

Now my issue is that I live in an apartment
With a common car wash area, but a covered car park space

Today after seeing the Wax thread,
I almost jump the gun and buy some soft 99 carnauba, 12months fusso, and glaco along with tyres shine
Costing up to rm200

Then before pressing checkout I fortunately  Google the fusso, and seeing it is a sealant, they say it is best to polish the car before applying it

But my situation unable to really delve into the polishing
Only a biweekly wash +  maybe some elbow grease waxing

The carpark is covered but still exposed to the elements
My white civic most of the time will have grey water spot on the front and the rear

I am guessing these water spot could be lifted with the claybar but do I really need to polish before sealant?
Do I really need sealant or ice shine wax is enuff?

Is the ceramic coating really worth it?
Seeing the front part does get rain on every time the skies open up?

Seeing the foam gun, is it better?
Now all I do is pour 4 caps of the shampoo into a bucket of water
Wash away and rinse in a second water bucket (sadly no grit protector, but make sure not to dip too deep into the bottom)

Arrrggghhh...
Use to live in kampung house with a proper driveway and a garage to take my time with these things
Now, always looking over the shoulder, looking out for other ppl looking to wash car as well
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Just to add to what the rest is saying here. As considering u are living in condo environment with limited access to private car care space, may I suggest considering using products like Optimum No Rinse (ONR)? This can help u clean car faster with less water required. U will just need to have more cloths for this wash process.

Unfortunately for white cars as others have mentioned, it is easiest to see dirt, and worse still u will get those dirt streaks at some edges of the car where rainwater commonly runs off. However, all is not lost as u can use products like cleaner waxes to remove those streaks quickly. U may need to apply wax/sealant more regularly due to open exposure even when parking at home. However, as someone who used to have similar parking issues in the past, I can also suggest that instead of needing to apply wax to the entire car every time, is to instead wax sections that regularly exposed instead. As u mentioned your front and rear gets regular exposure, so u wax front and rear more often. An example of this process would be, every month u may wax ur entire car 1 time, but front and rear u wax 2 times (once per 2 weeks).

Apart from spray wax as douglas_tong mentioned, u can also consider using a spray sealant such as Carpro Reload.

Whether ceramic coating is worth it is rather subjective question. It can be worth for ppl who generally lazy to wash car, but for those who dont mind detailing regularly, ceramic coating may only be a nice to have.

QUOTE(douglas_tong @ May 24 2018, 05:17 PM)


Speaking of foam sprayer.

I managed to try out the IK 1.5 spray foamer. I like how it has more longevity compared to kwazar foamer despite being smaller.
And the build is sturdier too. Solid and can control the foam thickness based on the cartridge. Was using the grey standard one and felt it was already very thick

According to IK: ORANGE to Create Very Wet Foam, GREEN to Create Very Dry Foam and GREY that Creates Standard Foam
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Wow, u bad bad man. I see video terpancing liao. Can please share with me where u got it? Thanks. smile.gif
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post May 24 2018, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(jyane @ May 24 2018, 09:37 PM)
Just curious, ppl said polish make ur clear coat thinner. Does AIO or wax cleaner also apply the same? Frequent use of wax cleaner or AIO will kill ur clear coat?
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Just to be fair, while polishing thins the clearcoat, this is not something to be overly feared. It takes alot of polishing to cut clearcoat to the point it disappears from your car paintwork. While I cannot give u an estimate on how many times u can polish before your clearcoat wears out, but perhaps this video from AMMONYC will clarify regarding clearcoat removal as part of the polishing process:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHEpqYGuUHI

AIO polish basically has some polish abrasives and mild wax, commonly used to give a quick polish+wax for new cars before passing to customer.

Cleaner wax has less polish abrasives than AIO, and more wax, commonly used to remove milder dirt that washing alone cannot remove. It is often used by what/light colour car owners.

While I say that both AIO and cleaner wax both contains polish abrasives, they are far far less than any pure polish cream, and even far far far far lesser than a compound cream. The frequent application of AIO or cleaner wax will only remove an extremely negligible amount amount of your clearcoat if it is even possible for these products to remove clearcoat to begin with. So I would say not to worry about killing clearcoat with AIO or cleaner wax.


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post May 25 2018, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(jyane @ May 24 2018, 10:55 PM)
Got it loud nand clear! Thanks for the input. Which or how i diff wax cleaner n AIO?
Aio i have use is autoglynm resin and osren paint restorer 51
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Well, for most brands cleaner waxes are clearly labeled, such as Meguiars/Mothers/3M/Zymol Cleaner Wax. Only AIO tends to have some custom name, like Osren Paint Restorer 51, or Meguiars Paint Reconditioning Cream. I think if u go to major websites like Autogeek, they would be a great reference.
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post May 25 2018, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(KnightSports @ May 25 2018, 10:25 AM)
Yeah, even Heng says during our conversations that the ratio of actual end users vs business operators that comes to purchase products from them is not high. People is still having the perception that branded products are better.

But, then they are also in the position where it is very hard to market their products to normal consumers who wants simplicity and creating awareness for normal consumers is not easy for them as they do not have retail channels selling their products.

I guess find it enough just catering to business operators and don't want to deal with over expansion of their business. Which is the better it is for us at the end of the day. Products remain fairly priced even we do not get bulk purchase pricing for the products.
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A long time ago, they did have retail distribution, however I believe the retail biz somehow didnt bring in enough revenue compared to b2b, so eventually their products went off the shelves.

Biz operators can order larger quantities when they have volume, especially the barrels of car washing soaps that they can stock up. Return business from b2b is also much more frequent compared to retail consumers.
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post May 26 2018, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(therain01 @ May 26 2018, 01:45 PM)
It started to rain at halfway spray painting my car. sad.gif
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Wah! Sendiri spray paint at home?
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post May 28 2018, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ May 28 2018, 01:17 PM)
Ok I'm getting tired of carrying my rolled up water hose whenever I use my PW... wanna look for those hose reel, any recommendations?
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Can consider Claber or Karcher if u looking for branded with quality hose connectors. Else, can search for garden hose reel for cheaper alternatives.
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post May 29 2018, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(67zai @ May 29 2018, 01:44 AM)
Hi all, besides ace hardware, where can i find some good and affordable spray wax? I only found turtle ice spray wax and meguiars ultimate quik wax. Im surprised that turtle ice spray wax is much more expensive than the meguiars.. any other spray wax can recommend for high gloss finish and long durability ( say 1-2 month ) ?
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Try check out Carpro Reload. This is a spray sealant though, not spray wax. Available from Cquartz Malaysia.

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post May 29 2018, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(67zai @ May 29 2018, 10:55 AM)
Oh, what is the difference between sealant and wax?
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https://www.autogeek.net/qude101.html
https://adamspolishes.com.au/blogs/news/pai...-sealant-vs-wax
https://www.lenosgarage.com/blogs/news/wax-...re-a-difference

For your reading pleasure. smile.gif

QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 29 2018, 01:26 PM)
Hi all, what do you guys do to make them lug nuts sparkle and shine ? Please share you're methods. Do you guys even do this ? TQVMj
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Erm, I dont do anything to my tyre lug nuts other than a typical brushing when washing the wheels.

However, in theory it depends if your lug nuts are colour coated, chromed or bare metal. Colour coated can be polished using typical car polish, chromed can be polished using a chrome polish cream, bare metal probably use autosol or some metal polish.

Just my 2 sen.
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QUOTE(Swivlev @ May 30 2018, 09:14 PM)
Iv just got a new white car and i would like some advice on what sort of detailing steps are recommended for new cars to preserve the new look and probable add a little more shine. (I'm guessing claying and a sealant, ++) Appreciate your recommended service providers for this starting/ base work. I plan to use Meguairs spray wax for maintenance. any suggestions?
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Hmm, in the recent months of this thread, there has been many questions regarding white car maintenance. If u dont mind reading backwards in this thread, u will find alot of useful tips and tricks on this topic.

As per just repeating from previous discussions, white cars generally will require more frequent washing, and also using cleaner wax to clean off some of the more stubborn stains and maintain the whiteness. While spray wax is generally good for regular protection, it may not prevent the occasional dirty water streaks at the door handles and other areas. Having clay bar and tar remover handy also helps to remove some of the potential stubborn stains.

A good combo as per recommended in Autogeek would be to apply a sealant as the base protection layer, then apply your spray wax to give it the shine.

Just my 2 sen.
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post May 31 2018, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(Swivlev @ May 31 2018, 12:46 AM)
Thank you for your  input.
I did find a wealth of info on routine maintenance of white cars here but not so much the intial detailing step(s) for a brand new car. Do you know of a good sealant? i am unable to Diy due to logistical constraints so was hoping for a suggested honest and reliable detailer from you guys. Btw, my last two cars had nano-coating and glass coatings, which were equally dissapointing after 1 year or so. That why i am exploring an alternative route to keeping my ride sparkling without coatings. As for the door handles and side step, im planning to put XPEL ppf. The ori civic scuff plates are a whopping RM760 and the OEM seems to risk voiding the warranty for the electricals.
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Perhaps if u could share the general location that is convenient to u, then some of the members here could probably share detailing shops that u could try out. My location is Wangsa Maju, so I only know the detailers around my area mostly.

With regards to initial detailing steps, think the common notions apply. Regular wash with good washing techniques (assuming u DIY wash yourself), periodic application of some form of protection. Have some good microfiber cloths handy also, and maybe a small bottle of quick detailer to remove bird poop quickly instead of letting it dry on the paint.

For sealant, I could recommend an easy one called Carpro Reload. Do google up reviews and search some of their youtube videos on how it works, how to apply and pros and cons. Another common recommendation for relatively long lasting protection outside of nano or glass coating types is Soft99's Fusso wax.
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post May 31 2018, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(slk @ May 31 2018, 02:16 PM)
RM188 for 500ml is abit pricey lah  biggrin.gif
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Just dropped by Carpro office earlier, they now got bring in Carpro Reload 100ml size, RM38 is the price they told me. Worth for anyone that want to test their product without buying a big bottle. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(willemng @ May 31 2018, 03:18 PM)
Hey Guys, almost everyday rain. Sifu Sifu have any method to prevent the car to be dirty?

what other method besides methods below? LOL
method 1 - wash car everyday
method 2 - park your car in covered building
method 3 - ???
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Honestly, my method is called no eye see. If rain, the heavier the better, then rain help wash my car. Hehehe....

My principle stands, accept things we cant control. We live in tropical climate, so we accept the sun and rain. When car dirty enough then only wash. When weather permits we wash. Dont wash too much because we have a life beyond our cars. Dont neglect our cars also just because it rains all the time. Balance is the key because its our daily driver. We use car so that we easier cari makan, so we jaga the tools that help us cari makan.

If wash cannot clean we clay. If clay cannot remove we polish. If polish until paint wear off we respray. Wont die wan.

Only showroom cars need to be clean and shiny all the time.

Just my 2 philosophical sen due to nice rainy weather. biggrin.gif

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post May 31 2018, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(Swivlev @ May 31 2018, 10:25 PM)
Will look up the products you mentioned, unfortunately im a poor high-rise dweller so cant diy wash. I'm nearby Dataran Sunway. Tx
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Hmm, if u're a high-rise dweller, u can still consider using ONR for DIY rinseless washing. ONR is quite practical because u technically only need 1-2 buckets of water and a few good microfiber towels (and maybe a wash mitt) and u are pretty much good to go. Try checking out youtube videos on Optimum No-Rinse Wash and Shine. If u are interested to get, u can contact Waregem in this forum. He also got his own thread selling detailing stuff.
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QUOTE(happyhaka @ Jun 3 2018, 08:48 PM)
Hey guys, I’m getting a new Ioniq and the SA offered to do some sort of coating which has 5 years warranty. She offered 1.3k for this.

Would anyone know what type of coating is this actually? From my conversation it’s actually from outside vendor not from Hyundai itself. For some reason I’m not sure if it would actully hold the shine for 5 years
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Erm, think the properties of coating isnt mainly for shine, but more for protection of the clearcoat from the weather and environment elements.

Generally, coating is also commonly known as glass or nano or ceramic coating, all pretty much similar technologies with different names. Coating is broadly defined as a semi-permanent protection that bonds with your clearcoat and protects over an extended period of time and has durability much longer than wax or sealant if maintained properly. In layman view, it is a liquid applied onto your car paint and hardens into a strong invisible coat of protection. Warranty is usually offered with a periodic maintenance package, so u have to occasionally bring back to them for cleansing and coating topup where necessary.

So far I have not met or heard of any car dealers that do coating in house, so it is definite that they will bring it to 3rd party to deal with. Perhaps u should check with your SA to see what sort of maintenance is required for the warranty coverage to be valid if u wanna commit to this addon service.
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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ Jun 4 2018, 11:39 AM)
What's the cheapest quick detailer available on the market?
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Erm, not sure if Meguiars Last Touch is the cheapest, but its RM172 roughly per gallon (3.78 litres). Used without dilution it works as quick detailer, used 1:1 dilution it works as clay lube.

Alternatively, u can also consider ONR as it can be used as quick detailer with 1:16 dilution ratio.

https://www.detailedimage.com/Ask-a-Pro/how...r-detail-spray/
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post Jun 4 2018, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(Swivlev @ Jun 4 2018, 08:04 PM)
I would be very interested to know what the 5 year warranty covers.

From my experience with 2 different coatings, the sheen rarely last over a year. The water beading effect will disappear after 6 months. Guess thats why some brands like 3Bond include a free touch-up at 12 months. The touch-up was nothing more than some sort a liquid sprayed and spread evenly with sponge and then left to dry. Guess the main installation would have been almost the same. Don't think its worth the going rates.
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Hmm, I applied Camui coating on my wife's car last year, and her car still beads beautifully after over a year. Only issue is watermarks, which is annoying, lol.

However, it is true that there is a 6-month interval maintenance that needs to be done, especially for coatings that have a base coat and top coat. The top coat usually needs to be reapplied after 6 months.

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