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post Aug 20 2017, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(b0rhui @ Aug 20 2017, 12:53 AM)
I was deciding real hard between this two, mainly due to people saying that spotless managed to remove aged water spots while the ceriglass failed. Ceriglass does offer to remove minor  swirls and scratches tho so I placed an order for it at last laugh.gif

Carpro mentioned spotless is meant for car body coating. Wondering what it means hmm.gif
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Personally I have never encountered a situation where water spots cannot be removed by polishing with either glass or regular polishing cream. The level of effectiveness of polishing off water spots with such creams really depends on your machine and pads, but the cream works all the same. Perhaps if any of the other sifus here that can contest to that, please correct me.

Yes, Carpro clearly mentioned that it is an acid based solution. If u dig into some other forums on acid cleaners on car windshields, u should find that it is rarely recommended for the task. I believe Carpro formulated it mainly for water spots on car body panels. I have spoken to some detailing suppliers and other shops also, and they all share the same opinion and experience that acid water spots removers can be dangerous especially on windshields with wipers.
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post Aug 20 2017, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(lkoky @ Aug 20 2017, 07:30 AM)
Folks,

When my car was park outside uncovered. Then after rain, water droplet dries, whenever u swipe ur finger over the car paint u will get a light black color oil stains like stuff on paint n finger, what is that?

Even if I have just washed the car before rain.
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1) maybe dirt from air trapped on rain droplets
2) exhaust fumes
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post Aug 21 2017, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(jakal sombong @ Aug 20 2017, 04:13 PM)
guys is the dewalt polisher good ?

http://www.lazada.com.my/dwp849x-dewalt-7-...y-31015981.html

or can recommend within that price range.
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Personally never used it, but read alot of decent reviews. It is pretty much a workhorse like the Hitachi or Makita rotary polishers. Price wise this one seems cheaper than Hitachi and Makita.
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post Aug 21 2017, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(gfwong @ Aug 21 2017, 07:53 AM)
Well, except for stone-chips. With the lack of enforcements, many lorries on the road are very dirty and are potential hazards. Stones, sands, rocks are common enemies to our cars. Poor roads conditions do not help either. Loose gravels are almost on every road. So no matter how much we care, how much we polish, we could not avoid stone chips. Not even coating. Some said clear bra might help but I don't find it very popular here. Here is more of a coating hype craze. Almost every tom. dick, harry (no offense) is offering coating here...
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Yes, stone chips are the bane of detailing. Even with coating, I have heard some mention that stone chip on coating looks worse than stone chip on bare paint/clearcoat. Those who do use clear bra only wrap the front section and side mirrors of the car as to do entire car is quite expensive.

Personally I think for stone chip the best we can do as DIY is to use touchup paint to cover the chips until the next respray.

QUOTE(psyduck89 @ Aug 21 2017, 09:18 AM)
wax vs coating..
which 1 last longer??

wax:
some said cant always wax/polish coz it will thinner ur paint..is this true??

coating:
last for 5 year only if maintain every year?

so, which 1 actual last longer and nicer?
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Polish and wax are 2 different things. Polishing is like finely sanding your paint to remove defects (such as scratches, swirls, water spots, etc) from your paint and create a smooth and glossy finish. This will thin your paint, but is usually marginal.

Wax is adding a layer on top of your paint to protect it from contaminants.

Coating also adds a layer on top of your paint for protection, but more rough and durable. A good coating and is applied properly can last anywhere between 2-5 years. However, this number is debatable because it also depends on how u maintain your car.
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post Aug 21 2017, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(douglas_tong @ Aug 21 2017, 11:20 AM)
mind sharing how to "maintain" a car after coating? coated le gf's car. usually just wash. probably might top some reload if i feel like it. but wanna see how long can the beading last.
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Wash as normal, just watch out for the water spots. Yes, based on Carpro's coating system, u can topup the coating with Carpro Reload or any other forms of spray wax or sealant.

The beading can last few years even with minimal care because the coated surface is now more hydrophobic. Just that water spots could become an issue over time.

QUOTE(psyduck89 @ Aug 21 2017, 12:17 PM)
so, for lazy person..
coating is better way to opt for?
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Not really. Even with coating u still need to wash your car regularly and also clean harsh contaminants like bird poop off quickly if possible. Only difference is your car shine is protected by the coating, so your paint wont look faded or die so quickly if under constant sun and rain.
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post Aug 21 2017, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(psyduck89 @ Aug 21 2017, 02:56 PM)
if.. my car paint is not really shine at all???

should i go for coating??
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Mmm, maybe just to clarify first that coating is not meant to make your car shine. To make your car shine requires polishing. After polishing and the defects have been removed and shine has returned, then coating is a layer to protect that shine. If u are hardworking and willing to wash and wax your car regularly, then coating actually is not necessary. I personally think that coating is for ppl who want to maintain their shine but dont want to polish or wax so often then should go for coating. Washing regularly is still required regardless whether u do coating or not.
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post Aug 21 2017, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(psyduck89 @ Aug 21 2017, 03:50 PM)
i see..

well, if a coating package cost 1.5k for sedan without any free maintenance worth?
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Sorry, wont be able to advise on that. I do detailing at home by myself now, so dont know what is the market offering for coatings. Maybe u can survey a few places and see which gives the best offer.

However, I can suggest a few things to look out for:

1) What is their package? Is the price purely for coating, or it also covers washing/claying/polishing?
2) If got defect on certain sections of the car after they coat, are they willing to redo the section?
3) Find out the exact product they are using and their application methods. Google online about their products and reviews.
4) Ask them after coating has hardened and stable, can u apply spray wax/sealant on top of their coating if u wanted to?

Hope this helps.
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post Aug 22 2017, 03:22 PM

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Some interesting and controversial idea about car wash soaps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCnMZNq4ot0
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post Aug 22 2017, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(b0rhui @ Aug 22 2017, 07:58 PM)
While doing claying, how do y'all clay on the stone chips/dents area that was scratching the clay when going back and forth? Especially front bumper bottom area. What can I do about them?

Also during my second time doing basic claying-waxing I noticed some marring probably due to previous "bangla" washes laugh.gif Hopefully those aren't caused by the clay (PG wonder clay no2 medium abrasive).
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If u are talking about rough surfaces under the front bumper due to stone chips, usually I would avoid the area entirely especially if I dont intend to wax that area and that area is not visible. For visible areas that are rough due to scratches and can "catch" the claybar, I prefer to lightly sand them down first with 1000-3000 grit sandpaper so that it doesnt affect my claybar.

Actually, marring can be caused by improper wash methods, but it can also be due to claying. How clay causes marring is if it picks up alot of contaminants and u continue using the same area of the claybar for too long of time. It is always recommended to constantly check the claybar surface, if it starts to be heavily contaminated, then fold and open a fresh surface. Also, as part of reducing the amount of contaminants that claybar needs to pickup, it is also recommended to remove things like tar and bug spots using their specialized chemicals instead before starting to clay.

Hope this helps.
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post Aug 24 2017, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(b0rhui @ Aug 24 2017, 12:12 AM)
What's some cool hybrid coating/sealant with super hydrophobic effect?

Carpro Hydro2 lite
Carpro Reload
TAC system Mystic Water Repellent (MWR)
EZcarcare Fusion/Granite silica coating

Any recommended ones? Do we do the hydrophobic coating below or above normal carnauba waxing for better protection?

BTW my ceriglass has just arrived. Can't wait to try to polish on the long-waited water spots.
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I have Carpro Reload, but havent started using. It was recommended by douglas_tong. I did some research and comparison and found that Carpro Hydro2 have some issues. Numerous ppl reported that the rinse-spray-rinse sometimes creates streaks on the surface, and its abit difficult to remove. Reload is safer cuz can spray on cloth and buff surface then buff off.

Usually carnauba wax is the last layer as it is the glossiest but also weakest wax in the market.
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post Aug 25 2017, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(b0rhui @ Aug 24 2017, 02:32 PM)
PG quick shine detailer kit 500ml with PG clay RM33
Meg ulti quik detailer 650ml RM55+

Which one more worth? UQD really worth the extra?
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Personally I used Megs QD, not the ultimate version (red colour spray bottle). If for clay lube its decent, but I personally dont use quick detailers for any other purpose. Now moved on to Megs Last Touch cuz can dilute and save money long term.

QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 24 2017, 11:45 PM)
Yep , was about months unwash.

How to post the paint condition ? btw , after I wash , there is a white dot on the surface below the paint.
And it getting larger weekly.I wonder what is the reason on it ? It's doesn't look like from the surface , more on below the paint.
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Try to catch a photo at the best angle to describe the issue u are facing. Take a few different angle shots and see what comes out best compared to your actual eye view.

QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 24 2017, 11:55 PM)
erm , can direct me an Autoglym Vinyl Rubber Care brand ? I search only 1 brand price is  RM75 ? http://www.lazada.com.my/catalog/?scs=0&q=...0Rubber&sc=MXAk
Any other brand cheaper ?
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Can try Meguiars Interior Protectant or Exterior Protectant, or Carpro PERL.
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post Aug 25 2017, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(N33d @ Aug 25 2017, 10:26 AM)
lol
2 gallons of meg xpress
i dont even know when i gonna finish my 1 gallon ocw.
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QUOTE(gfwong @ Aug 25 2017, 10:40 AM)
I nearly bought a gallon of OCW to try. It was that time that I found out I still have 2 gals of Meg Xpress hidden beneath the boxes.  sweat.gif
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Lol, thankfully I am not the only one scratching head thinking when I will finish using my detailing products. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 27 2017, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(wunan90 @ Aug 27 2017, 03:23 PM)
Hi guys,

anyone got experience replacing door visor?how to remove the double sided tape completely yea..some of the residue is still attached to my window..

appreciate any advice on correct way to remove & attach back the visor.
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One method I find very effective is using Goo Gone to remove any tape residue.
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post Aug 27 2017, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(mot88 @ Aug 27 2017, 04:35 PM)
Second tht Goo Gone works wonder even though it is expensive. Brought a spray bottle type and used till now (close to 10 years). I also use it to remove road tax glue residual on frt windscreen with tint.

For stubborn glue residual, buy those plastic scrapper from Daiso DIY section or use an expired credit card.
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For Goo Gone more effective need to leave it soak longer. Almost guaranteed to get through most forms of sticker glue.

I also took very long time to use finish use 1 bottle. Expensive but long term very economical.
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post Aug 27 2017, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(b0rhui @ Aug 27 2017, 07:04 PM)
Wont IPA get rid of them too? laugh.gif
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My experience with IPA cleaning glue residue abit mixed. Some situations it can clean very well with no residue, but some situations it make the glue even stickier and smear all over the place, so harder to clean. Goo Gone has a more consistent result for me.
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post Aug 28 2017, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(Minifans @ Aug 28 2017, 09:42 AM)
Hi all, recently I'm interested to try to detail my car ... is there any guideline ? Or professional here can guide me ? What should I buy ? What type of equipment do I need ?

I sent my car to a forumer , he doesn't recommend me to do polish by using poliser , he recommends wash,clay bar, dry and then wax ...

Is this the proper way? Please guide me , thanks a lot
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Think firstly u need to define how detailed do u want to go into car detailing. Do u want to just keep your car clean? Do u want to keep your car shiny? Do u have extra time to spend to make your car glow like showroom car? Do u like to do DIY stuff at home? Different Yes/No answers to these questions will determine what u should buy to achieve what u want.
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post Aug 28 2017, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Minifans @ Aug 28 2017, 12:04 PM)
I just want to keep my car shiny, free from dirt
Willing to spend few hours for this ... as I really like DIY work

Especially those black road tar mark , how can I do to prevent all these , please enlighten me , thanksssss
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Maybe lets start by wash and vacuum first. Basic things that u need:

1) Wash bucket
2) Wash mitt (preferably microfiber, not sponge)
3) Microfiber drying towels (1 big one for wiping overall car, 2-3 small ones for wiping doorjambs/wheels/interior, dont use interchangbly)
4) Wash soap
5) Wheel brush and sponge

This should start u off. Watch some videos on youtube on basic car wash techniques, some best practices, etc.

For tar removal, u can try get a bottle from ACE Hardware or Osren, tar removers quite generic, not much specialty. Use a separate cloth to wipe clean tar, dont use that cloth for drying or any other purpose.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 28 2017, 01:19 PM)
Tumpang hijack.

Yes to all biggrin.gif. I'm going to drop by Osren this Saturday to grab my "starter pack". Was communicating with them but guess if I could see the stuffs can directly grab it.

Got my wife's car with lots of scratches and dents (works at a bank and the amount of idiots opening the doors is shit load) which I need to "restore". Also the watermarks on the glass is damn horrible sad.gif tried the soft99 glass refresh but like need to do multiple pass to reduce it...
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Yes, if Osren office is convenient to u, then drop by and get what u need. They have good support in their products usage and prices are reasonable.

For glass water spots, I believe your best chance is to use machine to polish it off. Just hand polish will require alot of effort.
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post Aug 28 2017, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 28 2017, 02:27 PM)
I'm from Melaka, but Henry/Johnson has been replying me a lot on FB... so will make a visit there this coming Saturday hehe. One shot buy the stuffs required... and since restoring wife's ride is priority, then gonna drive it there let them take a look and recommend product. Hopefully don't break my piggy bank haha!
I bought 3M glass cleaner, didn't work sad.gif But the car is 3 years now and I guess the watermark is pretty bad.
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Glass cleaners are generally good for cleaning only. Watermarks/spots are technically etched on your glass, so cleaners usually wont cut it anymore, especially if it has been there a long time.

QUOTE(CAL V @ Aug 28 2017, 03:48 PM)
I see, that still last quite long on the windshield.

Any tips for glass polishing? Not sure if autoglym glass polish uses cerium oxide, I do have some problem working with ceriglass, getting some marring after polishing with rayon pad.  rclxub.gif
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Try using a regular polish pad instead. This tends to work best in my personal opinion.
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post Aug 29 2017, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(therain01 @ Aug 28 2017, 11:13 PM)
Unlike 3M glass cleaner, The works and Clr are not glass cleaner. It works by soften soap and hardwater deposits.
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CLR is acid based, just like Bar Keeper's Friend. I researched this product before when I wanted to clean my bathroom shower glass door and wall. Works decently, but I am not sure I would use it for cars. Just my 2 sen.

QUOTE(douglas_tong @ Aug 29 2017, 03:56 AM)
this is one of the most interesting thing i've come across..
haven't seen anyone spoke of it in forum....
acid based?
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Yes, acid based. These products would be featured more if u google search for cleaning hard water spots from shower doors.

QUOTE(garrick86 @ Aug 29 2017, 11:40 AM)
With normal Bosch polish pad on modded Black & Decker entry polisher only, you can try ultimate polish but the compound saves time and gives instant result as mine are those super etched water marks that were there for few years.

Those high ph acid/alkaline chemical for watermark removal doesnt even work.
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Actually if not mistaken it takes a specific acid to breakdown water deposits, also known as water marks/spots. Home based remedies do recommend stuff like vinegar to try. However, personally I find acid not safe to use for car glass, especially windshields with wipers.
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post Aug 29 2017, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(gfwong @ Aug 29 2017, 01:58 PM)
How about Larry's method of scraping the glass with a sharp tool?
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I saw that method before, I think it is similar to the idea of using superfine #0000 steel wool, just that in this case there is a directional scraping from a blade instead of random scraping of steel wool. Both methods also never tried before (the only razor blade I have is my Gillette Mach 3 blade, and never found #0000 steel wool here before, only best is #000 steel wool found in ACE Hardware). Personally, I prefer not to try these methods as they both carry risk of permanently scratching the glass, and AFAIK glass is very difficult to impossible to polish off scratches. Even using Bar Keeper's Friend I actually created micro-marring in my shower glass wall and door.

Having said that, I would not dispute Larry's recommendation. However, now I am home detailer so if any issue I have to pay for myself to repair the damage, for Larry he is a professional and probably has insurance coverage. Just my 2 sen. smile.gif

gfwong u tried before the razor scraping method?

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