I try to pm thrm, recently my brother give me the Black Decker KP600, i not sure it really can polishing to remove light swril? Plan to use on my wife consider new car because just drive 4month++ , some place that have light swirl which already got there when received car, any review on this kp600 actually?

You can contact Hypercoat Malaysia to see if they carry D143 in gallon form.

The machine has limited power, but I believe it can still polish out mild swirls (but not deep scratches). However, it might take longer time for you to complete the entire car.

Could it be your product dried up on the surface? I find it difficult to polish with rotary+foam once the product started to dry. However, when there's still sufficient product, everything works perfectly.

This post has been edited by windskill: Feb 28 2017, 11:02 AM

Can describe further the difficulty u having? Is the pad constantly catching and slipping? Or just having trouble achieving the final result? Or your compound/polish seem to dry out quicker than expected?

From my experience using Meguiars M105 and M205 on rotary, due to the speed of cut they can dry rather quick, thus having a spray bottle with just plain water to wet the polish agent helps to re-lubricate the surface and continue polishing.

This post has been edited by blurcase: Feb 28 2017, 11:50 AM

The speed seen very slow compared to DA speed 5 or 6, but I think should can be job done, just need let it roll more slow and maybe need 2 poslihing for each panel, i try with Osren white pad + meg polish, not going to use compound on new car, and u think yellow pad better or white better?

And this BD polishing got how many rpm? I seen cant found the information about it , the DA meguiars that attach to drill can perform better than this or not? Previous plan get meg DA, but since my bro give me this polishing so i save the money just get pad bcoz the Meg DA not cheap rm300++ too just for the head


And is that different using expensive vs cheap pad? Because see some sell 5-7 pcs for rm50 only while osren one rm50 per each

This post has been edited by chongkiatz: Feb 28 2017, 12:43 PM

Yes. It slips, I've tried priming the pad too.

I think it is more of inexperience in handling it, unlike da I'm so used to.

Polisher I use is osren series. I think it dries up quickly too.

In terms of getting result I still prefer to finish down with da, cutting however, I understand that rotary is faster and less time consuming..


Tried removing orange peel too with their denim and perfect 50, no problem in handling. Wool and denim pads no problem

If i am not mistaken, Osren polishing products tend to dry quickly and dust a lot. Probably you can slow down your rotary speed to 1000-1100rpm. And I also spray some water to continue.
Another reason is the pad. What foam pad are you using? Usually stiffer foam pad plays better with rotary.

I understand M105 dried up quickly as well but from meguiars forum, I think it's designed to be such way that it can cut quickly without going through more passes.
Currently, I have shifted to DK compounds and I like them very much.

For slipping issues, I believe it should be mostly too much pressure on the pad when polishing. The machine itself usually has enough weight to pressure down on horizontal panels, so no additional pressure down from the hands are necessary.

For vertical surfaces, due to its nature, the pressure on the body panel is very much dependent on your own hands force.

So what I can recommend is to reduce downwards pressure on horizontal surfaces, inwards pressure on vertical surfaces. With practice, you will notice that you only need to guide the machine, not add pressure to it. For foam pads, its especially easy to see if you put too much pressure by looking at how much your pad as compressed.

Hope this helps, just sharing personal experience.

Agreed, I use Meguiars M105 and it dries quickly, quicker than Osren in many cases especially with rotary. Even Meguiars M100 has much more lubrication than M105. However, from following Kevin Brown method, drying up does not necessarily mean end of life of the liquid. One squirt of water and the polishing can continue.

On that note about DK, how does it fare? Do u achieve results quicker? More efficient? Cost effective?

Ty, insightful.

using osren pads and lakecountry ones. the older generation without hole in the middle. It's actually thicker compared to the now selling ones.

The pads with hole in the middle are more commonly suited for large throw DA polishers, especially the likes of Rupes 15 or 21 DA polishers. The reason for the hole is to reduce heat buildup on the pad, especially since DA polishers generally buildup pad heat in the center, whereas rotary builds heat more on the sides. Thinner pads are also created mainly to maximize DA performance and bring its cutting capabilities closer to rotary standards without the risk of paint burns.

For rotary, it is still recommended to use the full thick pads. However, from a technique perspective, it is a generally steeper learning curve.

This post has been edited by blurcase: Mar 1 2017, 02:08 AM

Based on my user experience with DK, I think the cutting speed is almost comparable to Meguiars. But I like the the way that it doesn't dry out too quickly so you can have longer working time for the product. In addition, it does not dust so much compared to M105 or M101 (i have never tried M100 before). Last but not least, the finishing is good as well.

In term of cost, I think it's quite costly. 16 oz of DK1.1 is about RM100+.

The product claims to be waterbase compound. I notice if I buff over plastic trim, I can easily wipe it without having any stain. Not for oilbase compound like meguiars range. Probably I am wrong, please correct me.

da pads are seemingly getting thinner as well. lakecountry hd pads, lakecountry forced disc. so i have these 2 to play with on my da.

the pads with hole in the middle that i've gotten from osren is meant for rotary, it is thicker compared to the da's. I have 2 versions of it.

one cutting pad without hole (maroon), one polishing pad with hole (navy). both seems to slip. LOL
lousy skill i have.

I think that is still reasonable price compared to Meguiars. A bottle of 16oz M100/M101 is about RM200 each, and suppliers in Malaysia dont even sell small bottles of M105/M205, minimum 1gal. With last year GST price increase, it is even more expensive since then.

U are correct about the oilbase. Meguiars products are using oilbase as lubricant for their all polishing compounds. Thats why u see some youtube videos some pro meguiars detailers will use diluted alcohol for final wipedown after polishing before applying protection.

Hmm, havent kept in touch with Osren for some time. Didnt know their rotary pads now have holes as well.

No worries bro. Practice makes perfect. If u are living in KL/Selangor area and willing, end of this month I can come over to share with u some rotary knowledge that I have. Just PM me if u interested.

contact Meguiars Direct for 12oz sized polish

May I know where do you get the forced disc? I am interested with it haha.
And do you have any idea where we can get ThinPro foam pad as well (http://www.autogeek.net/lake-country-thin-pro-foam-pads.html)? I am using 8mm throw DA and I think the pad could probably provide some extra cutting for me.

Osren sells em. It does giving more rotation torque.



Donut pads for rotary

Cool.....gonna contact Penang Osren distributor soon

quite a useless thing, vibrate the hell out of your hands. and the wool pad got once it flung out also due to its slip on mounting style instead of hook and loop..

try to mod this way..
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-d...op-implant.html

Yup i already modi and buy pad from osren , force disc white pad and black pad, it really vibrate alot, the speed not enough fast for cutting , need to do 2-3 pass with very slow motion and can remove all light swirl, but if deep scratch i never try because i just use meg ultimate polish, might try the meg scratch X with grey pad but i think i will invest Osren DA in future , the BD orbit polish can use also just very slow to get job done

Hi guys..Im new to car detailing. Hoping to get some guide here. Recently bought few items to start.

1. Waxco Car Wash & Shine
2. Meguiar's Compuound
3. Meguiar's Polish
4. Meguiar's Quik Wax
5. Fusso Coat Wax
6. Some cheap MF cloth + drying cloth
7. Cheap foam polisher pad from ebay + grinder/drill adapter 4"
8. Bosch grinder with adjustable speed

I've started polishing with item 7 & 8, however i found it hard to control the heat & motion due to grinder RPM (slowest 2.8k RPM). Might be due to the cheap pad. Im not sure.

So i planned to add either a Rotary or a DA machine. I have a budget around RM600.
Need recommendation on type & brand of machine. Thanks