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post Jun 24 2016, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(kelv1983 @ Jun 24 2016, 12:05 PM)
Thanks for the recommendation..light gaming means dota2 ..for the SSD any recomendation ? 120GB should be enough for loading in window right?
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If Dota 2 only then GTX750Ti is enough.

As for SSD, an entry level 120GB SSD fits well in your budget (Kingston SSDNow UV400), Windows 10 (+ Windows Update) installation will take around 30GB FYI.
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QUOTE(cyclone9 @ Jun 24 2016, 01:40 PM)
i3 sufficient. What different usage i3 and i5 ?
I had existing power supply , would it fix CM Elite 130 casing?
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i3 is dual core with hyperthreading (or in other terms another 2 virtual cores, 2C4T).

i5 is real quad core (4C4T).

If your budget is unable to fit i5 now then just opt for i3, upgrade later when needed nod.gif

What's your current PSU model? CM Elite 130 can fit standard ATX PSU, if yours are standard ATX PSU or SFF PSU then it will fit just fine.
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post Jun 24 2016, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(azabazay @ Jun 24 2016, 01:54 PM)
Hi guys , I'd appreciate if someone could recommend me a nice gaming rig to replace my dead laptop.

[Budget]
RM3800-4000

[Purpose]
Heavy gaming mostly

[Hardwares that will be re-use]
Speakers, mouse

[Monitor resolution]
24 inch, Full HD (1920 x 1080)

[Games & softwares that use frequently]
CS:GO, Overwatch

[Personal preferences]
Intel processor, Nvidia GPU, 144hz monitor, HDD + SSD combo if possible
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Only accept Nvidia GPU? If you can accept AMD GPU then you can go for the new RX 470/480 and pair it with a FreeSync enabled 1080p 144Hz monitor (GSync equivalent) with your budget.

If you still want to stick with Nvidia then you gonna ride on last gen hardware (GTX960/GTX970) because Nvidia Pascal GPU (GTX1070/GTX1080) is out of your reach at the moment.

Let me know your decision and we shall proceed further after this.
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post Jun 24 2016, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(cyclone9 @ Jun 24 2016, 02:26 PM)
ATX PSU, I believe is 400~450W enough?

Soon I will upgrade the GC but not now.
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A true power 300W PSU is already enough for your current specs.

It will be a different story later when you upgrade to a more high end GPU, but there is always a chance that your current PSU can still handle the latest GPU considering both camps (red & green) are focusing more on the power consumption in their latest product.
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post Jun 24 2016, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(azabazay @ Jun 24 2016, 02:36 PM)
To be honest I never really used any other GPU. I am more used to nvidia, so it would be great if we could build something based on that.
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Up to you, I am just giving out my knowledge and info so you won't regret later innocent.gif

AMD RX 470/480 is more suitable for budget build nowadays thanks to its superior price/performance ratio (unless Nvidia releases GTX1060 that can compete with RX 470/480 at affordable price), even with a FreeSync (1080p144) enabled monitor included, it still can be built under 4k. Sometimes we do need to learn to move on, changes for a better future blush.gif

Intel Core i5 6500 - RM 835
Gigabyte B150M-D3H (D4) - RM 379
Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 131
Asus GTX960 4GB GDDR5 Turbo - RM 946
Kingston SSDNow UV400 120GB SSD - RM 153
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 215
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 188
Tecware Alpha - RM 199
Acer XB240H - RM 952

Total: RM 3998 (ETech price inclusive of GST)


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QUOTE(SoFarSoFail @ Jun 25 2016, 09:27 PM)
Hello people of the internet,

I'm getting the Acer XB241H soon. (1080p is more than enough for me)

Thing is, I've planned to upgrade my rig as well.

I've decided with all the parts except for the GPU.

Hence I would like to ask, would the GTX 1070 more than enough to handle gaming with ultra settings in a 1080p 144hz G-Sync monitor?

Or should I get the GTX 1080 instead?

I'm okay as long as it is not overkill as that would be a waste.

P/S Not interested in SLI either and the CPU of my choice is i7 6700K.

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QUOTE(SoFarSoFail @ Jun 25 2016, 11:23 PM)
LOL no. I just wanted to know whether or not the 1070 is powerful enough to handle games with ultra setting in 1080p 144hz with G-Sync. Should it is more than enough then I might as well stick to getting the 1070 instead of 1080.

If it's a no then I have to save some more money to get the 1080 haha.

Here's the hardware list:-

Apologise for the mistake it's 6600K not 6700K.

CPU          Intel Core i7-6600K                      RM1,004.00 
Motherboard  MSI Z170A SLI Plus                      RM680.00 
Memory          Corsair 2x8GB Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000 Black  RM379.00 
Solid-State Drive Samsung 850 EVO 500GB                    RM720.00 
Case          Phanteks Enthoo PRO M Black Acrylic            RM389.00 
Power Supply  Seasonic X-650                      RM599.00 
CPU Cooler  Cryorig H7                              RM189.00 

Total RM3,960.00 not including GPU.
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Oh well you don't need a consistent 144 FPS (or 100+ FPS) when you are on a GSync monitor, that's the beauty of GSync concept, it helps to synchronize the frame rates (especially slow frame-timed frames) and store them in the GSync module after sequencing them, the monitor will then push out the display in the correct sequence and interval so everything will look smooth even with different frame rates/second.

GTX1070 runs perfectly fine on a 1080p panel, but I always recommend people to use DSR supersampling technology so you can get a better image quality on 1080p, GTX1070 is made for smooth 2K QHD gaming anyway so DSR (2x, 2715 x 1527) of your 1080p will still yield a pretty high frame rate.




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QUOTE(SoFarSoFail @ Jun 26 2016, 12:08 AM)
Wow thanks I'm actually not very clear on how G-sync actually work but based on your explanation it would benefit me a lot. So I'll go for the GTX 1070.

and wth is DSR supersampling tech? I googled it and got more confuse. From your explanation, I'm guessing what I have to do is just to enable the DSR mode for better frame rate correct?
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DSR is Nvidia's exclusive technology (VSR for AMD, they are actually doing the same thing, just different name), it renders the games at higher and more detailed resolution (2K/4K etc, can adjust yourself manually in Nvidia Control Panel) and then downscale the image back to your resolution of your monitor.

So in your case, on a 1080p monitor, by using DSR (2x of your resolution for example, 2715 x 1527), you will get the 2x image quality of 1080p, more details are being rendered and displayed on your 1080p screen, everything looks nicer and better in overall, it is like running 2K QHD resolution on a 1080p (FHD) monitor.

Maybe you will ask "why the heck are we doing this, isn't this lowering the overall FPS that we can get?" It is because GTX1070 has the power to do this, it is basically a 2K QHD gaming card (> 60 FPS in average in all triple A titles), when pairing with a GSync monitor, everything looks smoother thumbsup.gif

Edit: Smoothness vs sharpness, if like what we do on our LCD TV, when we tune the sharpness to the highest level, the image will become very sharp and noisy, 33% is like a sweet spot (default), I personally tried 0%, this produces a very sharp display and image noise is seen almost everywhere whereas 100% produces a smeary image, a little too blur for me sweat.gif

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QUOTE(baracudas @ Jun 26 2016, 01:49 AM)
[Budget]
5k ~ 5.5k max

[Purpose]
Gaming/Working

[Hardwares that will be re-use]
keyboard/mouse

[Games & softwares that use frequently]
Dota2/ Maya/ AutoC4D/ Photoshops + some other adobe softwares / Video Editing

[Personal preferences]
Would want AAA titles pc games to run on as high quality as possible .Speakers can be excluded if no budget.

[Location]
KL

Also wondering if I should get a sound card too?
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On-board sound card is good enough for normal/casual user unless you are an audiophile, entry level sound card (< RM 400) isn't worth to invest because the performance gain isn't huge compared to on-board sound card, if you really want to get a premium sound card, I suggest you to go for those high end one or DAC (~ 1k).

Intel Core i7 6700 - RM 1289
Gigabyte H170-HD3 (D4) - RM 446
Corsair 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 260
Palit GTX1070 8GB GDDR5 Jetstream - RM 1999
Kingston SSDNow UV400 120GB SSD - RM 153
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 215
Seasonic M12II EVO 620W - RM 363
Tecware Alpha - RM 199
BenQ GW2470H - RM 536

Total: RM 5460 (ETech price inclusive of GST)
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QUOTE(shanecross @ Jun 26 2016, 03:02 AM)
Hey guys, trying to get back into getting a RIG for myself for various uses. Thanks for the help!

[Budget] RM3,500

[Purpose] Gaming and video editing

[Hardwares that will be re-use] None

[Monitor resolution] Full HD

[Games & softwares that use frequently] Mainly FPS games, sony vegas pro (or similar editing software), photoshop/illustrator etc.

[Personal preferences] Would like to try the AMDRX480
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Intel Core i5 6500 - RM 835
Asus H110M-K - RM 273
Corsair 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 260
XFX RX 480 8GB GDDR5 Reference - RM 1249 **
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 215
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 188
Tecware F3 - RM 119
BenQ GW2270 - RM 379

Total: RM 3518 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

** Pre-order price, release date is 29 June 2016, please be noted that this is a reference model and is using reference blower type of cooler, wait for non-reference model if you prefer custom design and cooler.
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QUOTE(SoFarSoFail @ Jun 26 2016, 02:52 PM)
Thank you for your explanation. Appreciate it very much.

Anyway, i always wanted to learn how to install a rig plus watercooling. Anyone happen to know someone who provides such service? I know they have it a lot in utube but im not so confident to do it without supervision.
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If you are getting an AIO (all-in-one) liquid cooler like Corsair H100i/NZXT Kraken X61 etc, then the installation is easy, just mount the bracket on the mobo and install the pump on the CPU.

If you are going for custom liquid cooler then you can look for A.P.E.S (Wangsa Maju)/Idealtech (Pandan Indah) etc, they have plenty of experience on this matter.
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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Jun 26 2016, 03:03 PM)
Hi guys, love this thread. Would like some advice too smile.gif
Looking for a matx build, 2 options:
- sub 4k
- sub 5k

[Budget] as above

[Purpose] 100pct gaming (latest shooters)

[Hardwares that will be re-use]
Crucial 2.5" M500 120GB SSD
Silverstone Strider ST60F 600W PSU
Several 500gb SATA HDD

[Monitor resolution] TBD, monitor haven't purchased, not in budget. Minimum Dell 24" S series

[Games & softwares that use frequently] want to start back into gaming, latest shooters

[Personal preferences] none

[Location] KL/PJ

As it is only for gaming, highest priority should go to graphic card, followed by processor. I do not think I need any hdd or ssd, but perhaps give me your advice? I plan to eventually use on a FHD monitor but might want to upgrade to 2k in future. I also would like from time to time output the display to a FHD or 4k TV in future (depending on type of game).

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120GB SSD for OS installation (will take around 25GB for fresh Windows 10 installation + Windows Update).
HDD for games files/music/movie/document etc, please bear in mind that the size of the games is getting bigger and bigger nowadays, so your 500GB (several) might not enough in the future.

Intel Core i7 6700 - RM 1289
MSI B150M Pro-DH (D4) - RM 346
Corsair 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 260
Palit GTX1070 8GB GDDR5 Jetstream - RM 1999
Corsair Carbide 88R - RM 226

Total: RM 4120 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

For 5k build, you can go for OC build, but performance gain is small or non-existent in gaming because most of the games are still based on single threaded operation sweat.gif

You can also bump the GTX1070 to GTX1080 (+ 1k for Palit Jetstream model) or allocate it for your monitor instead, 1k can get a 1080p 144Hz already, but yea I know you wanted to get Dell S/U series monitor, just a suggestion here, 144Hz > IPS for FPS games biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Jun 26 2016, 04:20 PM)
Hey bro, thanks for your quick reply and suggestions. Looks really good.
Some follow up questions:

1) If I want to consider 1x R480 instead with option to upgrade to 2x R480 CF in future, what motherboard and casing should I be using instead, and will the current PSU I have cut it? I will opt for this option is I feel that I will not be maximizing my graphic card at the moment (if I buy a cheap Dell S series monitor).

2) What kind of FHD 144Hz monitor can I get for RM1k? Will the R480 work with GSync?

The current monitors I was considering (with increasing price).
Acer R241Y
Dell U2415
Dell U2715H

3) Do you have any recommended case that is SFF instead? I want this to be a small and compact gaming PC smile.gif. Something to replace a PS4 perhaps
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Do bear in mind that SLI/CF is not supported by all games, you will end up running single GPU only if SLI/CF support is missing, the scaling for SLI/CF is still poor nowadays, meaning you won't get the double performance of single card, getting a more powerful single card is better than running 2 weaker cards at SLI/CF.

To SLI/CF, you need at least 2 PCIe 3.0 x8 slots running at parallel, the cheapest one is around RM 700 and that's ATX size (Gigabyte Z170XP-SLI/Asus Z170 Pro Gaming etc.), if you are sticking to mATX then there is only 1 option available currently in local market which is the expensive Asus Maximus VIII Gene (more than 1k). mATX casing comes with at least 4 PCIe expansion slots but you need to check the height of the GPU that you are going to get because some mATX mobo/casing only allow GPU with the height of 2 expansion slots for SLI/CF.

As for PSU requirements, true power 600W PSU should be enough for RX 480 running on CF, please wait for official reviews in the coming days for official data and power draw from the wall to determine whether your current PSU is enough for this or not.

You can always take advantage of the GPU by utilizing sumpersampling technology (DSR or VSR) to get a more detailed image on 1080p, the details of supersampling technology can be found in few previous posts.

You can get Acer XB240H with 1k budget, RX 480 is an AMD product so you need a FreeSync monitor if you want GSync equivalent feature on AMD card, AOC G2460PF is one of the examples, around 1.2k+/-.

SFF (mITX) only comes with 1 PCIe slot, so SLI/CF isn't an option. For console-like casing, you can look for Silverstone RVZ01/FTZ01 etc.
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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Jun 26 2016, 06:01 PM)
Thanks very much for your advise bro. Base on this, I'll drop the CF/SLI consideration and concentrate on going SFF with either R480 + Freesync or 1070 + GSync.

Would it be any difference to upgrade to H170 from B150?

Cheers bro smile.gif
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RX 480 is packing with GTX980-like performance (estimated) while GTX1070 is packing the performance of Titan X (+ extra 10% faster), they are on different tiers.

1080p FreeSync is cheaper, if you go for Nvidia path then getting a 2K QHD or 4K UHD GSync monitor is more worth than a 1080p GSync monitor because the price of the only one 1080p GSync (Acer XB241H) monitor in Malaysia is too close to his bigger brothers, XB281HK (4K UHD 60Hz TN, RM 2489), XB271HU (2K QHD 165Hz IPS, RM 3189).

You get 2 extra USB ports (depends on manufacturer whether to implement it or not), full x16 PCIe configuration speed, RAID support by going from B150 to H170.
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QUOTE(bingding @ Jun 26 2016, 06:45 PM)
hi, is it reasonable to upgrade r9 290 non-x to gtx970?
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Nope, they are on same tier and the performance gain is small to non-existent, but power consumption will be much lower on GTX970.
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Jun 26 2016, 11:14 PM)
Hi Terence, I just went and check the price and spec. There are some concern on the setup.

1) According to the box of the Gigabyte 1070 Gaming Edition, the minimum requirement of power is 500watts. If I get 620W with bronze, I might be just able to get 490watts with just power up the card. He recommended around 850watt if I want to prevent any issue such as system rebooting due to lack of power. Is it correct?

2) He mentioned Carbide 88R is run out of stock and Supplier may not be able to import in this case anymore. ( which means may obselete to them ). According to what he recommend. The difference between ATX case and MATX is just 5cm height and 2 cm width. He recommend me to get Corsair 100R. Any other MATX case recommended from you?

Thanks for the help!!
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Incorrect. Gigabyte GTX1070 G1 Gaming only requires one 8 pin PCIe power connector which means the max draw from the PSU is 225W (150W from 8/6+2 pin PCIe power connector and 75W from PCIe slot) when running this card, 620W is more than enough for any GTX1070/1080 setup even if you are running an OC setup (K CPU).

There are many different types of mATX cases out there and their extra 5cm height and 2cm width on mATX case claim is invalid, mATX can be as small as mITX case like Silverstone SG01/SG02 etc.

You can look for Corsair Carbide Air 240, Xigmatek Aquila, Fractal Design Node 804 as the alternative if 88R is nowhere to be found, I suggest you to go other shop instead, the shop you went seems unprofessional, most likely another typical shop trying to trick their customer to get what they have/clear their stock sweat.gif

BTW we have a limited choice for mATX case in our local market because usually mATX build is for budget rig, why I said so is because mATX mobo is significantly cheaper than ATX/ITX, those who are looking for portability or have limited amount of space will usually go for ITX build instead.

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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Jun 27 2016, 01:15 AM)
Yup I understand, I will decide based on budget. For now it seems that I might just go to R480 route due to lack of funds. I only am torn between whether to go for a Freesync monitor or to go for a QHD IPS monitor for the better picture quality, esp on non shooter games..

When you mention H170 has full x16 support, is this necessary for the R480/1070?

Thanks agian smile.gif
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RX480 is more like a FHD card instead of QHD card, I recommend you to stay with 1080p, QHD IPS isn't cheap anyway, the cheapest one is around 1.5k but that's 25", QHD is best viewed on 27" and above to match the PPI.

B150 also has x16 on its PCIe slot, the one I meant is for PCH setup.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 27 2016, 08:05 AM)
Haha on the RX480 part. Too bad AMD tell me to keep quiet. Anyway I'll be doing live session this Wednesday 9PM for the RX480, because that's when the NDA lifted.

As for GTX 1070 can rival Titan X but loses out to OCed GTX 980 Ti like Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti Xtreme Edition.
600W is super duper whatever mode than enough for RX480 CFX. You can even put 4 cards if you want and still a bit of room for processor. (depending on what processor)

btw here's my RX480. biggrin.gif https://www.facebook.com/goldfries.fanpage/...4389203/?type=3
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Looking forward for the live session this Wednesday night biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Jun 27 2016, 09:29 AM)
Alright, I'll keep with the 1080p route. I'll try checking out more reviews and articles to decide whether Freesync TFT or a normal IPS FHD+ (U2415) for better versatility (use together with my current Surface Pro 3). I'm spoiled by IPS and large viewing angles, so I worry that the gains in gaming is not as high as the loss in terms of picture quality for productivity situations =/.

I was looking at these two boards and do not mind the slight premium for their extra features (better build, short circuit protection, Type C USB). In your opinion which would be a better option?

ASUS H170M-PLUS
ASRock H170M Pro4

Also, a SFF case like the Silverstone SG13/SG11 that can only fit a 80mm tall cooler or the, can this suffice for the above application or will thermals be an issue later?

Thanks again!
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The viewing angle on TN display is poor if compared with IPS, but if you aren't always viewing the display from the side then this is fine, color quality on TN is fine too if you view from the front, everything on TN looks bad only if you are viewing from the side, what you get on TN is much higher refresh rate at cheaper price tag. If you go for Dell S2316H/S2415H then you need to take note that it comes with a glossy screen, meaning you will see your reflection when you are under a bright light source.

Silverstone SG13 is a mITX case while SG11 supports mATX and mITX board, stock cooler won't be an issue for SFF case unless you plan to use a 3rd party cooler where you will be restricted to low profile 3rd party cooler only like Cryorig C7 or AIO liquid cooler (if supported).

Asus H170M-Plus is a better choice if you are aiming to get those premium features over ASRock, it comes with native USB Type-C port too which is great if you have any gadget using this type of port for fast charging support, the price difference between them is small, Asus one is definitely a better pick here.
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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Jun 27 2016, 11:12 AM)
Awesome, I'm really impressed with your knowledge! You're like hardware bible lol.

I'll try to go see the TN screen and determine whether I can live with it. With a RM1k investment into monitor, I'd like to use it for movies too and the TN screen would suck badly if I view it with my wife from a distance sad.gif.

I most likely will go for a SG11 or something similar due to the size advantage. My only concern is that if run on max for long period of time, the cramp environment as well as stock cooler will cause the temp of both CPU and GPU to max and throttle sad.gif. I guess I can upgrade to AIO liquid cooling but that is another RM350-400 and if that is the case I rather stick to a mid tower =/.

PS: If I were to move to an ITX solution, would GIGABYTE GA-H170N-WIFI be a good swap instead of the Asus? Price wise seems quite similar, and it has Type C USB too.
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I am just trying to contribute my knowledge as much as I can biggrin.gif

Yep if you use the monitor for movies then IPS is a better choice, but since PC monitor is limited to a certain size (usually 24"), I end up watching the movie on my large LCD TV instead in my living room since it provides me a better experience laugh.gif

Locked CPU is hard to hit the throttle, especially on a 14nm Skylake CPU, the only concern would be the temperature of the GPU, reference blower type cooler is more recommended for SFF case because it blows the hot air out of the casing and keep the internal cooler whereas non-reference card dumps its heat into the internal of the case, if you have a positive airflow then this shouldn't be an issue.

Yes I always recommend Gigabyte H170N-WiFi to those who want to build an ITX rig (with non-K CPU), best value out of all the ITX boards available in our local market.

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