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post Apr 5 2016, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(James831 @ Apr 5 2016, 12:30 PM)
I  think it just a stop gap measure only, mostly idea would be buy a LPD. but for RMN it might have to wait after completion of LCS project.
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er..... those Military spec proper LPD cost much cheaper than 1 unit LCS price.
don‘t why Gov no money to get it. i means form 2002 until now, and we just need 2 unit, so by right cost procurement not really high。
or is no requirement from RMN ? so no proposal to Gov。

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Mi-35 helicopter crashes south of Baghdad

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BAGHDAD - An Iraqi Mi-35 helicopter crashed south of Baghdad due to a "technical problem" Monday, security officials said, the latest in a series of military helicopters to go down.

A colonel in Iraq's Joint Operations Command said an "Mi-35 training helicopter crashed as a result of a technical problem," but that the crew survived.

The helicopter went down on Monday morning near the city of Kut, south of Baghdad.

Sahib al-Chlaibawi, the head of the Wasit province security committee, confirmed that the helicopter had crashed during a training mission, but no one was killed.

Iraq has lost multiple helicopters to accidents and ground fire in recent years, while others have been damaged.


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post Apr 5 2016, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Apr 5 2016, 01:15 PM)
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I guess it's ok for the regular PGA and police personnel that are doing stuff away from the hot areas like roadblocks and such. What I most geram is when the VAT69 units tasked to directly contain the Sulu invaders were wearing stuff similar to this in an active combat area. At least issue a helmet and soft body armor la to them. The troopers themselves also so selamba looking, like that was just a training exercise. bangwall.gif
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 5 2016, 02:49 PM)
er..... those Military spec proper LPD cost much cheaper than 1 unit LCS price.
don‘t why Gov no money to get it. i means form 2002 until now, and we just need 2 unit, so by right cost procurement not really high。
or is no requirement from RMN ? so no proposal to Gov。
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If i remember correctly, rmn prefer to have military spec vessel than a civilian convertion

BM5 tat time was operational requirements. Running our patrol ship at gulf was straining for a already limited number of vessels. Thus, to get a hull fast, the convertion was given the go ahead.


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post Apr 5 2016, 05:47 PM

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had the military dun give a fck abt military spec ship we already buy them ferry LPD from indon(or buy ckd from korea and assembled them ourself like gagah samudera)

I think rmn still looking at flat top lhd, so they might gonna hold on to that. prob with getting cheap/used LPD (or LST) as stopgsp is that rmn may gonna stuck with that ship for a long time bcos MoF won't approve the procurement of the real deal

prob is after the lcs programme, they still need to get plenty of things (new asw helo,kedah class rearmament, getting more sgpv, new subs? lol) so I'd imagine lpd/lhd is gonna be down there in term of priority number
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Work-in progress of the Indonesian Navy 2nd Sigma PKR 10514 at PT PAL facility.

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http://komunitas.rimanews.com/fotovideo/re...T-PAL-Surabaya-
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2016 Ireland Easter Rising Parade

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Armenian MoD: Nagorno-Karabakh Army Claims to Have Downed Azerbaijani Drone

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"The army of Nagorno-Karabakh, in the southern direction of the Karabakh-Azerbaijani line of contact, downed another drone from the Azerbaijani Air Forces,"




http://sputniknews.com/military/20160405/1...jani-drone.html

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Apr 5 2016, 05:47 PM)
had the military dun give a fck abt military spec ship we already buy them ferry LPD from indon(or buy ckd from korea and assembled them ourself like gagah samudera)

I think rmn still looking at flat top lhd, so they might gonna hold on to that. prob with getting cheap/used LPD (or LST) as stopgsp is that rmn may gonna stuck with that ship for a long time bcos MoF won't approve the procurement of the real deal

prob is after the lcs programme, they still need to get plenty of things (new asw helo,kedah class rearmament, getting more sgpv, new subs? lol) so I'd imagine lpd/lhd is gonna be down there in term of priority number
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It still down to chicken and egg things.

Which should come first.


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World military spending grows to $1.7tn in 2015 - Swedish think tank

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The US defense budget at $596 billion still makes it the world’s largest military spender, nearly three times second place China with $215 billion, according to a report from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

The US military expenditure fell 2.4 percent last year, the slowest pace since 2011. Despite this, Washington still spends 36 percent of the world’s total arms budget.
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Ruble depreciation has pushed Russia from the top three. Saudi Arabia overtook Russia’s position, spending $87.2 billion on its military program last year, compared to Moscow’s $66.4 billion.

SIPRI has tracked a large increase in spending by countries bordering Russia and Ukraine—namely Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania and Slovakia.

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In a nutshell: NATO chief vows to make US allies ramp up defense bills citing ‘Russian aggression’
Spending in Western Europe contracted 1.3 percent, but the authors of the research have noticed it has been the lowest annual decline since 2010 which marked the beginning of the fall in spending.

The world’s overall military expenditure grew by one percent last year, reaching $1.7 trillion.

The most dramatic oil revenue-related reductions in spending in 2015 were seen in Venezuela (–64 percent) and Angola (–42 percent). SIPRI also reports a decrease in military spending in Bahrain, Brunei, Chad, Ecuador, Kazakhstan, Oman and South Sudan.

“Military spending in 2015 presents contrasting trends. On the one hand, spending trends reflect the escalating conflict and tension in many parts of the world; on the other hand, they show a clear break from the oil-fuelled surge in military spending of the past decade. This volatile economic and political situation creates an uncertain picture for the years to come,” said SIPRI’s Dr Sam Perlo-Freeman, who’s in charge of the research.


https://www.rt.com/business/338456-world-mi...-spending-2015/
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Syrian Air Force Su-22 shot down by rebels near Aleppo

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A war plane has been shot down in the province of Aleppo, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights has said.

The plane caught fire before falling in the Talat al-Iss highland, according to the group.

Syrian state TV said the plane, reportedly a Su-22, belonged to the Syrian Air Force, adding that it was downed by a surface-to-air missile and that the pilot was ejected. This has not yet been confirmed.

A rebel source said the pilot had been captured by the Nusra Front, which has links to militant group al Qaeda.

In video footage that purports to show the plane crash, the pilot appears to use a parachute to land on the ground before being captured by opposition forces.

A source speaking to RIA Novosti also said it was a Syrian warplane. Sputnik News reported that the source said: “Militants have downed a warplane, which had been on a combat duty in the province of Aleppo.”


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Azerbaijan Kills Armenian Troops With a Suicide Drone



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Israel is another player, which sells drones and air-defense systems to Azerbaijan in exchange for Caspian oil and safe access for Israeli intelligence agents. And like Israel, the Azerbaijani government is wary of Iran. Then there’s the fact that Israel has positioned itself as a source for advanced drones on par with the best Western versions — but more affordable for poorer countries. It has another suicide drone known as the Harpy


http://warisboring.com/articles/azerbaijan...-suicide-drone/
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How China Fights: The PLA’s Strategic Doctrine

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China’s national goal is to build a moderately prosperous society and achieve the great rejuvenation of the Chinese people by 2050. The PLA must ensure that neither internal nor external forces sabotage China’s economic engine or embarrass its national honor
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The military’s key organizing principles to achieve these goals are active defense and local wars under “informationized” conditions
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PLA has given pride of place to comprehensive digitization and networking, which it calls “informatization.” It hopes informatization will allow the PLA to operate seamlessly as a joint force and gain the initiative in conflict
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China defines deterrence in terms of the nuclear domain and conventional forces, with conventional deterrence being the normal means to achieve goals while nuclear deterrence is a “backstop,” a pillar of national power and final proof against outside dismantling of the Party-led state
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China is investing heavily in military operations other than war (MOOTW)
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MOOTW is not only good for China’s reputation but is also the best way for a peacetime military to gain practical experience while demonstrating its capability to mobilize military and civilian assets in support of national interests
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China is also developing military applications within the space and cyber domains
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The PLA will continue to leverage professionalization and technological progress to reduce its size while improving effectiveness. If the current economic trend becomes a new normal, however, the military will be forced to scale back its modernization, putting China in a less advantageous position internationally


http://thediplomat.com/2016/04/how-china-f...tegic-doctrine/
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Apr 5 2016, 05:47 PM)
had the military dun give a fck abt military spec ship we already buy them ferry LPD from indon(or buy ckd from korea and assembled them ourself like gagah samudera)

I think rmn still looking at flat top lhd, so they might gonna hold on to that. prob with getting cheap/used LPD (or LST) as stopgsp is that rmn may gonna stuck with that ship for a long time bcos MoF won't approve the procurement of the real deal

prob is after the lcs programme, they still need to get plenty of things (new asw helo,kedah class rearmament, getting more sgpv, new subs? lol) so I'd imagine lpd/lhd is gonna be down there in term of priority number
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it is all about political will.
Sgpv so expensive pun boleh approved.
I doubt tldm lpd requirements is expensive at most pun around usd200mil.
Given the current political environment it hard to imagine the government willing to apprpve big ticket procurement.
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 5 2016, 01:47 PM)
I find body armor indispensable nowadays. Even light infantry like paratroopers or rangers should always wear body armor, even if lighter soft kevlar armor, to protect themselves. Even if they can't stop a high-velocity rifle bullet, soft armor can still effectively stop shrapnel and shell fragments. People concentrate too much on how armor should stop bullets, when it is actually shrapnel from artillery (or nowadays, IEDs) is actually the number one killer on the battlefield.

Good armor not only protects, it also serves as a morale booster and provide increased aggression for soldiers. Soldiers protected by armor will take more risks and perform more aggressive maneuvers in combat because they have confidence their body armor can protect them. Armored soldiers can maneuver when unarmored soldiers are forced take cover. While armor won't guarantee no soldier will ever be killed or injured in battle, the percentages of US military casualties have dropped significantly in recent times.
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yeaps... very much agreed, body armor (inclusive of helmet) is a must in all situations... even training

QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Apr 5 2016, 02:15 PM)
except in practice troops have complained it actually hinders their manoeuvre. Well, I'm not totally against body armour, I'm just open to the possible reasons why SF do choose when to use it and when not to.
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then that's a design flaw or they are just not used to moving with armor... SF operates differently, so SF is not a good example

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But thing is for philippines army, even some of their regular troops still didn't have helmets, which is why Duterte argues that there's no point in buying expensive military assets (he was referring about F/A-50 missile acquisition afaik) if the soldiers on the frontline are still issued with third-hand, vietnam-era M1 helmet they've got from the US via EDA
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lol... pinoys get scrap better than ntg... heavier but it still protects them

only time without helmet is probably during MOOTW operations or in a civi sentry position
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South China Sea: Hainan is the 'tip of the naval spear'


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Balmy beaches, patriotic cruise passengers and a nuclear submarine base - all these are to be found in Hainan, the linchpin in Beijing's southern seas strategy. In the second of a three-part series on the South China Sea disputes, The Straits Times reports on the geopolitical importance of this sunny isle.

Except for a few transient fishermen living in wooden huts, the tranquil shores of Woody Island were for decades largely devoid of inhabitants or civilian facilities.

Then, in 2012, it all changed for the biggest island of the disputed Paracels in the South China Sea.

That year, China - which controls the archipelago - established the Sansha city government, giving it the authority to "govern" the South China Sea islands and surrounding waters. Soon after, it added a library, a school, a hospital and even a satellite TV station, in an area half the size of Sentosa. Cafes and supermarkets line its main thoroughfare, Beijing Road.

The Chinese call the island Yongxing, or "eternal prosperity", and it now has more than 1,000 residents, as China moves to solidify its claims in this and other disputed areas of the South China Sea.

Such rapid developments have shone a spotlight on Hainan, the country's southern-most province, whose geopolitical importance has risen in tandem with the tensions in the region.

Hainan not only administers Sansha, but is also home to Yulin Naval Base and its submarine bunker, located mere kilometres away from crowded tourist beaches of seaside resort Sanya.

Such oddities have led some to dub Hainan - roughly the size of Taiwan - as having "a curious blend of beaches, babes and naval bases". But experts have no doubt about the island's strategic significance.

"Hainan is the tip of the naval spear vital to China's projection of power," noted Beijing-based security analyst Xie Yanmei from the International Crisis Group.

The province hosts China's conventional and nuclear submarines, and is likely to host its aircraft carriers as well, she said.

"China's recent build-up of outposts in the South China Sea is partly aimed at making spying on the Hainan bases riskier and more complicated, and stretching the depth of defence to shield Hainan," Ms Xie told The Straits Times.

Hainan's importance to China's national security prompted the launch of the country's first 24-hour anti-spying hotline in the province last year. According to Chinese media reports, the hotline aims to crack down on "foreign intelligence networks keen on knowing China's military capabilities".

Hainan could also play an important role if China decides to declare an Air Defence Identification Zone (ADIZ) over the South China Sea, noted senior fellow Ian Storey from the Iseas-Yusof Ishak Institute. As recently as last week, China defended its right to do so.

"If China declares an ADIZ over northern parts of the South China Sea, it could be administered from either Hainan or the Paracels," Professor Storey said.

Yet, Hainan is not just about military hardware. Elsewhere on the island, its fishermen are tasked with protecting China's sovereignty through their frequent fishing trips.

In Sanya, a passenger cruise ship has been offering nationalistic tours of the Paracels since 2013.

All these moves are aimed at safeguarding China's interests - and more such measures can be expected in the coming months.

Sansha's deputy mayor Feng Wenhai said in January that the authorities will start to operate civilian flights, build judicial courts and provide full Wi-Fi coverage on Woody Island this year, as the city gears up to celebrate its third birthday.

"Hainan's officials have for years been the most ardent advocates for more aggressive development of the South China Sea," noted Ms Xie. "They often argue that such actions are vital to the defence of China's sovereignty and maritime rights."

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Apr 6 2016, 10:21 AM)
South China Sea: Hainan is the 'tip of the naval spear'
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Balmy beaches, patriotic cruise passengers and a nuclear submarine base - all these are to be found in Hainan, the linchpin in Beijing's southern seas strategy. In the second of a three-part series on the South China Sea disputes, The Straits Times reports on the geopolitical importance of this sunny isle.

Except for a few transient fishermen living in wooden huts, the tranquil shores of Woody Island were for decades largely devoid of inhabitants or civilian facilities.

Then, in 2012, it all changed for the biggest island of the disputed Paracels in the South China Sea.

That year, China - which controls the archipelago - established the Sansha city government, giving it the authority to "govern" the South China Sea islands and surrounding waters. Soon after, it added a library, a school, a hospital and even a satellite TV station, in an area half the size of Sentosa. Cafes and supermarkets line its main thoroughfare, Beijing Road.

The Chinese call the island Yongxing, or "eternal prosperity", and it now has more than 1,000 residents, as China moves to solidify its claims in this and other disputed areas of the South China Sea.

Such rapid developments have shone a spotlight on Hainan, the country's southern-most province, whose geopolitical importance has risen in tandem with the tensions in the region.

Hainan not only administers Sansha, but is also home to Yulin Naval Base and its submarine bunker, located mere kilometres away from crowded tourist beaches of seaside resort Sanya.

Such oddities have led some to dub Hainan - roughly the size of Taiwan - as having "a curious blend of beaches, babes and naval bases". But experts have no doubt about the island's strategic significance.

"Hainan is the tip of the naval spear vital to China's projection of power," noted Beijing-based security analyst Xie Yanmei from the International Crisis Group.

The province hosts China's conventional and nuclear submarines, and is likely to host its aircraft carriers as well, she said.

"China's recent build-up of outposts in the South China Sea is partly aimed at making spying on the Hainan bases riskier and more complicated, and stretching the depth of defence to shield Hainan," Ms Xie told The Straits Times.

Hainan's importance to China's national security prompted the launch of the country's first 24-hour anti-spying hotline in the province last year. According to Chinese media reports, the hotline aims to crack down on "foreign intelligence networks keen on knowing China's military capabilities".

Hainan could also play an important role if China decides to declare an Air Defence Identification Zone (ADIZ) over the South China Sea, noted senior fellow Ian Storey from the Iseas-Yusof Ishak Institute. As recently as last week, China defended its right to do so.

"If China declares an ADIZ over northern parts of the South China Sea, it could be administered from either Hainan or the Paracels," Professor Storey said.

Yet, Hainan is not just about military hardware. Elsewhere on the island, its fishermen are tasked with protecting China's sovereignty through their frequent fishing trips.

In Sanya, a passenger cruise ship has been offering nationalistic tours of the Paracels since 2013.

All these moves are aimed at safeguarding China's interests - and more such measures can be expected in the coming months.

Sansha's deputy mayor Feng Wenhai said in January that the authorities will start to operate civilian flights, build judicial courts and provide full Wi-Fi coverage on Woody Island this year, as the city gears up to celebrate its third birthday.

"Hainan's officials have for years been the most ardent advocates for more aggressive development of the South China Sea," noted Ms Xie. "They often argue that such actions are vital to the defence of China's sovereignty and maritime rights."

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http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia...?xtor=EREC-16-1[ST_Newsletter_AM]-20160404-[South+China+Sea%3A+Hainan+is+the+%27tip+of+the+naval+spear%27]&xts=538291
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Appeal to Jakarta not to blow up 10 Chinese fishing boats

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Fishing boats from Malaysia being blown up off the coast of Kuala Langsa, Aceh, yesterday. Indonesia's Maritime Affairs and Fisheries Minister has been coming down hard on poachers since taking office in 2014, ordering as many as 174 foreign boats caught in its waters destroyed.

The owners of 10 fishing boats from China caught poaching in Indonesian waters are appealing to the authorities not to sink their vessels.

This comes after high courts in Ambon and Merauke cities ruled that the boats rounded up in December 2014 had fished without a permit in Indonesian waters, Maritime Affairs and Fisheries Minister Susi Pudjiastuti told a press conference yesterday.

"We hope that the Supreme Court will pass a verdict to have the boats confiscated as state property and have them destroyed as soon as possible," she said, after watching a live stream of 23 boats from Malaysia and Vietnam being sunk at seven different locations.

Ms Susi has been coming down hard on poachers since taking office in 2014, ordering as many as 174 foreign boats caught in Indonesian waters destroyed.

Apart from the 23 boats sunk yesterday, one Chinese boat is still being investigated for a similar offence, Mr Mas Achmad Santosa, who heads the ministry's illegal- fishing prevention task force, told The Straits Times.

He also said the authorities have identified 1,132 fishing vessels, including 374 from China, that are sailing in Indonesian waters under the flags of two states, one being Indonesia.

"That's double-flagging. Their status is stateless, and that's serious. It's against both national and international laws."

Mr Mas Achmad said Indonesia will prosecute these boat companies if they are found to have committed serious offences - such as evading taxes and operating without a licence - and assist those with minor offences to leave the country.

"No more foreign boats, no more foreign investors are allowed to catch fish in Indonesia," he said.

Indonesia and China were entangled in a maritime row last month after Indonesia accused a Chinese coast guard patrol boat of breaching its sovereign rights by forcibly preventing the local maritime authorities from seizing a Chinese fishing boat.

Ms Susi yesterday called on "big country, great nation" China to respect Indonesia's sovereignty.

"If there's illegal fishing carried out by an American boat, we will sink it too. It's the same," she said.

"I admire and I salute the law enforcement in China.

"I believe the Chinese government will strongly support the Indonesian government in law enforcement against illegal violations committed by Chinese boats. We are waiting for their answer," she said.

In a separate development, the Chinese Ambassador to Malaysia has said that Chinese fishing boats did not enter Malaysian waters recently, adding that they were in fact "quite far away" from the Qiongtai Jiao, part of the Luconia Shoals in the South China Sea.

Last week, Malaysia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said it had called up the envoy, Dr Huang Huikang, for "clarification as well as to register Malaysia's concerns over the matter".

Dr Huang told the The Star daily yesterday that overlapping claims between China and Malaysia over certain islands and reefs in the South China Sea were a "historical issue", adding that he believed both countries could deal with the issue in "an amicable, peaceful and quiet way".

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/a...e-fishing-boats
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In line with an increasing need for the Indonesian Navy’s presence within the country’s territorial waters, Indonesia plans to acquire several new submarines and develop new submarine bases to protect its vast maritime territory, defend its territorial integrity and strengthen its defense systems, particularly around areas bordering with other countries.

Navy chief of staff Adm. Ade Supandi said on Tuesday that Indonesia would require at least 12 submarines and that they should be stationed at different sites around the country.

“The current base for our submarines is in Surabaya, East Java. We will see the future progress and divide the submarines [to be stationed at other sites]. We will select the proper sites for this purpose. But, of course, we can put our submarines anywhere,” Ade said in Jakarta during a media gathering.

Prior to developing the new sites, Ade said the Navy needed to conduct some surveys on potential areas. The selected areas should have supporting infrastructure for defense facilities, he said.

Indonesia procured three Chang Bogo class submarines from South Korea in 2011. Two of the submarines are under construction in South Korea and are expected to be delivered later this year. Meanwhile, the third submarine will be co-built by South Korean and Indonesian engineers in Indonesia.

As part of its medium-term development program, the Navy is still reviewing new submarines from three countries: The Russian Kilo class, the South Korean Chang Bogo and another of German design. This is part of the 2015-2019 strategic plan.


Read more: http://www.pressreader.com/indonesia/the-j...549590/textview

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