Paramount proposed to build:
1 office tower,
4 storey retail podium
429 units serviced apartment
Anyone know when is this launching? Site has been cleared so far...
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Atwater by Paramount Properties, PJ Section 13, Mixed Development
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another one flood with shoe box unit?
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no updates?
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Paramount properties is UOA?
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showhouse almost completed? launching soon?
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Still building, massive showroom incoming.
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No update? Wait till neck long long already.
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Showroom manyak cantek!
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Share some pictures leh
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Good location .... many sure eyeing this site ...
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Service apartment how much?
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Guys, look at this link, I think this project is named "Atwater"
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Any news? Quite looking forward to this
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![]() Banking in on the economic greatness of thriving PJ state, Paramount Propertyβs next integrated development project, located on 5.2 acres of land on Section 13, is set to raise bars and standards for future modern communities. Plans are on the drawing board for a conceptual self-contained one-stop business, home and leisure hot-spot fit for a new-age community. The locality of the development, which is a stoneβs throw from numerous F&B outlets and a short drive from SS2 Mall, Paradigm Mall, 1Utama Shopping Center, IKEA and The Curve, makes it ideal for businesses needing that extra boost of traffic and for city dwellers living the fast-paced lifestyle. ![]() 3 blocks of commercial sitting on retail shops that will be sold, two of 16- and 17-storey commercial blocks might be enbloc sale, while the lower backbone block is strata offices behind are 2 blocks of serviced apartments, total 5xx units, 7 level carpark+1 facility level + one 27-storey block and one 24-storey block the 27-storey block has the smaller type units 670 sq ft to 7xx sq ft, while the 24-storey one has the bigger types up to 1,4xx sq ft. all units come with 2 carparks. This post has been edited by accetera: Feb 19 2017, 05:34 PM |
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Too many malls? π€
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PJ not enough of mall? another SS2 mall in the making?
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May I know where is the sale gallery can view this project?
I more interested on the residential hoyse |
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sure dead office
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Mall oversupply
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how much is the price?
today open house at sales gallery.. lazy to go |
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Guys chill lah... there is no mall. Talking about Commercial Strata Office and Shops Office.... and later Serviced apartments.
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QUOTE(DisneyHome @ Feb 18 2017, 12:33 PM) i got sms from paramount.is at section 13 pj. no address given just waze link as below https://waze.to/lr/hw2838xwnq i clicked the link is at Jalan Universiti exactly the site location i think |
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QUOTE(nakedtruth @ Feb 18 2017, 01:06 PM) i got sms from paramount. OK. ..Thanks for sharing is at section 13 pj. no address given just waze link as below https://waze.to/lr/hw2838xwnq i clicked the link is at Jalan Universiti exactly the site location i think |
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At the roundabout there is an office block own by reit and seems to be doing well?
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QUOTE(accetera @ Feb 18 2017, 12:18 PM) First phase: Commercial office, shops am not sure how long the above statement was in the making, apparently SS2 mall still alive and kicking, or paramount needed more malls on paper to sell the project?The locality of the development, which is a stoneβs throw from numerous F&B outlets and a short drive from SS2 Mall, Paradigm Mall, 1Utama Shopping Center, IKEA and The Curve, makes it ideal for businesses needing that extra boost of traffic and for city dwellers living the fast-paced lifestyle. I think they also missed out 'short drive to getaway mall and mid valley'. And they ignore Jaya One, Jaya 33 and etc..... This post has been edited by BEANCOUNTER: Feb 18 2017, 02:04 PM |
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offices will soon suffer the same fate as malls the rate they are building
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Any residential show units?
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office in this area sure ...............
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this is old KDU college building? DKSH ?
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400+sf for 800k, 1 room, 2 carpark, 1 bath
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Even 1.1kpsf is crazyyy. Good luck paramount ur utropolis is struggling
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QUOTE(accetera @ Feb 18 2017, 12:49 PM) Guys chill lah... there is no mall. Talking about Commercial Strata Office and Shops Office.... and later Serviced apartments. Why is there always mixed development knowing that there is serious over supply of offices? Must be something to do with plot ratio? Build, build, build more. I like to see how this thing is going to end. |
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![]() 3 blocks of commercial sitting on retail shops that will be sold, two of 16- and 17-storey commercial blocks might be enbloc sale, while the lower backbone block is strata offices behind are 2 blocks of serviced apartments, total 5xx units, 7 level carpark+1 facility level + one 27-storey block and one 24-storey block the 27-storey block has the smaller type units 670 sq ft to 7xx sq ft, while the 24-storey one has the bigger types up to 1,4xx sq ft. all units come with 2 carparks. This post has been edited by accetera: Feb 19 2017, 05:34 PM |
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800 psf. Super prime pj. Big developer. Worth it lah!
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residential indicative price 800psf. 30 floors tower is small units 600-700sf, 33 floors tower is family size units 800-1000+sf, these will have 2 car parks.
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600sf for 2 rooms... enough space meh??? 1 bath room only??? 600sf * RM 800psf = RM 480 k... is that reasonable price in that area?
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pasific star also selling around 800psf..
midtown also same JayaOne subsale also same This post has been edited by Nikmon: Feb 21 2017, 05:37 PM |
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Commercial title I believed!
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If 800psf for smallest unit n partial furnished, should be good response given the location in prime part of PJ although away from lrt. Best to reduce some office towers and convert to more svc apartments from a developers perspective
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is the showroom open dy?
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Well freehold really pays off for these owners of desa kudalari
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QUOTE(thunderbird @ Mar 7 2017, 01:55 PM) of course it does. buying and selling only happened once in a lifeline for a property for a single person.....so I am ok with it.Even the buy and sell processes are faster for freehold property since you don't have get consent from state government. It's at least 3 months faster from my previous experiences. but lishold property IMHO cant keep too long.......it will lose its value after hitting its peak.... |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 7 2017, 02:04 PM) buying and selling only happened once in a lifeline for a property for a single person.....so I am ok with it. that sentence doesn't apply to me, i currently owned 3 property, 1 landed 2 condosbut lishold property IMHO cant keep too long.......it will lose its value after hitting its peak.... |
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QUOTE(thunderbird @ Mar 7 2017, 02:10 PM) you read wrongly my friend....I mean A particular property under you only buy and sell ONCE in your lifetime.... Unless you buy back the same property you sold and resell again and again. |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 7 2017, 02:14 PM) you read wrongly my friend.... if you read back my previous comments, i was saying free hold property can be processed at least 3 months faster than leased hold.I mean A particular property under you only buy and sell ONCE in your lifetime.... Unless you buy back the same property you sold and resell again and again. That was my point i am referring to. |
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http://atwater.my/about-us/atwater/
Alot of info in the website. showroom will be completing in a few weeks (23rd if not mistaken). prices will be 800++psf. ATWATER, Paramount Propertyβs newest integrated development, is located in the mature neighbourhood of Section 13, Petaling Jaya. Check out the masterplan below with 3 office towers in the middle retails below and 2 blocks of svc apartments at the back. Built on 5.2 acres of land with direct access to Jalan Universiti, one of Petaling Jayaβs main arteries, ATWATER consists of residential, commercial and retail components that have been carefully planned to seamlessly complement each other. The result is a well-planned integrated development that promises to serve the needs of residents and businesses alike. The development enjoys a North-South orientation to ensure the smart use of natural light for maximum comfort. Complementing the functional spaces are water features, lush gardens and pocket parks, all designed to inspire peace, rest and relaxation amongst todayβs urban dwellers. ATWATER enjoys easy access to a myriad of essential amenities and services, including public and private schools, hospitals, road and public transportation links as well as food, lifestyle and entertainment options. It also enjoys excellent connectivity to the other parts of Petaling Jaya and beyond, to Kuala Lumpur, Subang, Shah Alam and Klang. Work in stylish, efficient office spaces, retreat into the cool comfort of home, or step out to enjoy the hustle and bustle of one of PJβs most vibrant commercial and residential areas. Attached thumbnail(s) |
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Mar 6 2017, 07:49 PM) If 800psf for smallest unit n partial furnished, should be good response given the location in prime part of PJ although away from lrt. Best to reduce some office towers and convert to more svc apartments from a developers perspective 800psf is about the same as the selling price of Centrestage, Avenue D'Vogue and MidTown. The first 2 projects still had units for sale after VP. Midtown, now under contruction, still got units available. I've lived in Section 13 for two years now and I find the area (and its surroundings areas) quite boring. Two half-dead malls, expensive eating places and some budget eating places serving mostly unexciting food (nowhere as varied as SS15 Subang, for exp). I was at Section 14 just now and was excited when I saw 3 food trucks - but it turns out 2 are selling the standard ramly burgers (no kambing or ooblong, just standard daging, ayam ikan, hotdog) and 1 was selling noodles. - ayam diasppointed. Back to Atwater, it's next to OSK/PJD's project so contrusction noise will be there if the OSK project starts later. And Atwater itself is not 'next door' to amenities like makan places etc. Have to walk to Jaya One area for that. It's a bit of an island, like Avenue D'Vogue. Seriously, I struggle to justify paying 800psf for Section 13. It's a decent neighbourhood with decent ppl, but hardly exciting. Only reason I stay there is because it's close to office - i suspect it's the same for many ppl. |
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Any idea what is the service apartment size?
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Mar 10 2017, 10:59 PM) http://atwater.my/about-us/atwater/ hope this paramount duplicate the " SUCCESS" of the stupid name project Utopoliz...letlah all relative directors freind yi mah ku cheh buy cheap first...later no one buy or even hiew themAlot of info in the website. showroom will be completing in a few weeks (23rd if not mistaken). prices will be 800++psf. ATWATER, Paramount Propertyβs newest integrated development, is located in the mature neighbourhood of Section 13, Petaling Jaya. Check out the masterplan below with 3 office towers in the middle retails below and 2 blocks of svc apartments at the back. Built on 5.2 acres of land with direct access to Jalan Universiti, one of Petaling Jayaβs main arteries, ATWATER consists of residential, commercial and retail components that have been carefully planned to seamlessly complement each other. The result is a well-planned integrated development that promises to serve the needs of residents and businesses alike. The development enjoys a North-South orientation to ensure the smart use of natural light for maximum comfort. Complementing the functional spaces are water features, lush gardens and pocket parks, all designed to inspire peace, rest and relaxation amongst todayβs urban dwellers. ATWATER enjoys easy access to a myriad of essential amenities and services, including public and private schools, hospitals, road and public transportation links as well as food, lifestyle and entertainment options. It also enjoys excellent connectivity to the other parts of Petaling Jaya and beyond, to Kuala Lumpur, Subang, Shah Alam and Klang. Work in stylish, efficient office spaces, retreat into the cool comfort of home, or step out to enjoy the hustle and bustle of one of PJβs most vibrant commercial and residential areas. |
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QUOTE(Donald Trump @ Apr 7 2017, 05:01 PM) hope this paramount duplicate the " SUCCESS" of the stupid name project Utopoliz...letlah all relative directors freind yi mah ku cheh buy cheap first...later no one buy or even hiew them i have a friend who bought there n currently struggling in rental n cnt subsale also due to oversupply of units there. now new launch is only 600+psf, price drop liao. |
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Apr 9 2017, 04:00 PM) i have a friend who bought there n currently struggling in rental n cnt subsale also due to oversupply of units there. now new launch is only 600+psf, price drop liao. their supporters blindly follow wherever they go. this project in glenmarie was super over price yet supoorters fully booked the first block before launching. now kena bang wall d. |
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QUOTE(lightbulk @ Apr 9 2017, 02:30 AM) their supporters blindly follow wherever they go. this project in glenmarie was super over price yet supoorters fully booked the first block before launching. now kena bang wall d. haha yeah. when i read propkopi review of the location n when i really passed by the site, feel like bang wall liao. Really DEEP in the industrial area with little frontage to main roads, oversupply of units relative to number of units. even more puzzled with their next big project in old klang town which died 20 yrs ago and can't be saved. |
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Always can see the glenmarie kdu building alone nkve but have no idea how to enter there....
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But Paramount is considered a good developer, right?
Decent worksmanship and decent customer service? They don't screw their buyers, unlike some other developers? |
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QUOTE(abbey @ Apr 10 2017, 05:10 PM) But Paramount is considered a good developer, right? Developers only screw buyers when bad times hit themDecent worksmanship and decent customer service? They don't screw their buyers, unlike some other developers? But so far they are still ok....but sell at premium price. You need to see the masterplan to appreciate the development or search propcafe ....... |
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QUOTE(abbey @ Apr 10 2017, 05:10 PM) But Paramount is considered a good developer, right? They do. Ask glenmarie ultraman+polis 1st phase buyers lol. Decent worksmanship and decent customer service? They don't screw their buyers, unlike some other developers? Bbbuuu This post has been edited by heavensea: Apr 10 2017, 06:27 PM |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Apr 10 2017, 05:24 PM) Developers only screw buyers when bad times hit them Just got info from the salesperson. Atwater is selling for RM900 psf (before rebate). Smallest units are 670 and 703sf, both one-bedders (not 2 bedders as reported by some ppl).But so far they are still ok....but sell at premium price. You need to see the masterplan to appreciate the development or search propcafe ....... RM5XXk for a one bedder is too rich for me. And section 13 pj is an industrial area, not Bangsar or Hartamas. So this development (and section 13 as a whole) is out of my shortlist |
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QUOTE(abbey @ Apr 11 2017, 05:34 PM) Just got info from the salesperson. Atwater is selling for RM900 psf (before rebate). Smallest units are 670 and 703sf, both one-bedders (not 2 bedders as reported by some ppl). Lishold alsoRM5XXk for a one bedder is too rich for me. And section 13 pj is an industrial area, not Bangsar or Hartamas. So this development (and section 13 as a whole) is out of my shortlist |
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Apr 10 2017, 06:27 PM) Can't stop laughing when read yr funny comment. Btw, just saw a news about Singapore leasehold landed house which soon become zero value when lease expires. Sad.... Now I know how serious things r. Freehold vs leasehold do important. |
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QUOTE(lightbulk @ Apr 11 2017, 06:03 PM) Can't stop laughing when read yr funny comment. lol I'm flattered. Btw, just saw a news about Singapore leasehold landed house which soon become zero value when lease expires. Sad.... Now I know how serious things r. Freehold vs leasehold do important. http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/hous...at-end-of-lease http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/home...se-expiry-looms https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2017/03/26...b-lease-expiry/ HDB flats buyers so called ajinomoto investors=gg already. Pity those malai citizens who working in sg spent their hard earned money to invest HDB flats... |
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QUOTE(lightbulk @ Apr 11 2017, 06:03 PM) Can't stop laughing when read yr funny comment. bro thanks for sharing this with us, I gonna be very alert with this (eventually might happened to malai aka boleh land) check remaining of leasehold years and how to renew it like now..Btw, just saw a news about Singapore leasehold landed house which soon become zero value when lease expires. Sad.... Now I know how serious things r. Freehold vs leasehold do important. Do you mind if I share it out? |
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Apr 11 2017, 06:24 PM) bro thanks for sharing this with us, I gonna be very alert with this (eventually might happened to malai aka boleh land) check remaining of leasehold years and how to renew it like now.. Sama Sama bro.Do you mind if I share it out? Not at all.. go ahead and spread the info. |
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Apr 12 2017, 10:20 AM
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Any thoughts on their penang project?
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Apr 22 2017, 12:39 PM
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OSK is launching their new project just next to Awater. How u guys look at it?
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Apr 24 2017, 01:42 PM
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My friend visited their gallery yesterday for the exercise event in the morning. Heard that Atwater will give DIBS to buyer. pay to bank 1st & claim back from developer later on. Good buy?
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QUOTE(Sharebro @ Apr 24 2017, 01:42 PM) My friend visited their gallery yesterday for the exercise event in the morning. Heard that Atwater will give DIBS to buyer. pay to bank 1st & claim back from developer later on. Good buy? I think Paramount management already aware OSK going to lunch cheaper than this project, so better come out this package If Paramount can provide DIBS (by reimbursement), & also come with furnishings for RM 800 psf then can consider this project Hopefully any senior management people here can hear our buyers voice & opinion |
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QUOTE(DisneyHome @ Apr 24 2017, 01:50 PM) I think Paramount management already aware OSK going to lunch cheaper than this project, so better come out this package The developer should have made their 670sf and 703sf units 2r 2b (better use of space), not 1r1b.If Paramount can provide DIBS (by reimbursement), & also come with furnishings for RM 800 psf then can consider this project Hopefully any senior management people here can hear our buyers voice & opinion |
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Ryan & Miho's land size is smaller but closer to Jaya one. Going to be interesting
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What's the nearest high ent condo near the proposed site? Whats the price psf?
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Do pm me if have details. Interested to get one for medium size
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May 10 2017, 03:05 PM
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My SA friend told me that paramount is going to replan & delay the project. They will going to take off the office and do all residence unit. Something like OSK Ryan & Miho.
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QUOTE(Sharebro @ May 10 2017, 03:05 PM) My SA friend told me that paramount is going to replan & delay the project. They will going to take off the office and do all residence unit. Something like OSK Ryan & Miho. Interesting... My frend who working in the company didn't say so pun Any Sifu here got new update? This post has been edited by Ricky300: Jul 12 2017, 10:58 AM |
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QUOTE(Ricky300 @ Jul 11 2017, 04:47 PM) U mean ur friend working in paramount? My friend also work there. He told me about this change, but yet to be confirm. He said if the office block can en bloc sell, then they will stick back to the origin plan. Thats the reason why they havent launch this project.All this is from my friend who work there. Not sure how true. You can ask your friend if this happen? However, if the price is reasonable, with the location is still a good buy although the jam is bad there. |
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Jul 12 2017, 03:52 PM
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Jul 15 2017, 11:50 AM
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Atwater wins hence down from facade, workmanship & reputation. Thing is just have to wait for the launch as it won't be anytime soon even though the Gallery is there.
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QUOTE(Sharebro @ May 10 2017, 03:05 PM) My SA friend told me that paramount is going to replan & delay the project. They will going to take off the office and do all residence unit. Something like OSK Ryan & Miho. Your SA friend got no feedback? Interesting to hear they are going back to re-planning. Likely this would mean that the launch will prolly be end-year or early next before CNY?Any Sifu here got new update? |
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LEASEHOLD!! Don't buy don't buy!!! LEASEHOLD worrr!!!
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Hey guys! Any updates on the Atwater launching? I heard that they are lunching next month. Any show rooms there?
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seems like this will be preview end of the year. will it suffer the same slow response as Miho.
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Went to their Utropolis Glenmarie, overall is quite impressive....
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800psf here. sizes are 2-3 rooms. Paramount much better in terms of delivery etc.
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Average how much per sq ft ? when will launch this project?
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Old pj is a very very comfortable place to stay. It's what Chinese say, "for human to live wan...".
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Hi all, wonder do you guys have any latest details like price & package, launch date for atwater?
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QUOTE(wonder11 @ Oct 21 2017, 12:26 PM) Price and package (let along the unit sizes) are still unknown as of this time, but as for the launch date, it will only be in December when the showroom is completed.The private preview will be held earlier on 18th November, based on the info I got from an internal SA, provided that you fill in your details at the Atwater website. Btw, for your info, I'm no SA. Just an average guy hunting around for a suitable property for our own stay. |
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QUOTE(DesRed @ Oct 21 2017, 01:11 PM) Price and package (let along the unit sizes) are still unknown as of this time, but as for the launch date, it will only be in December when the showroom is completed. Yea dropby the sales gallery tat day, the SA told me they wil be having some soft of soft launch on 18/11, but it's by invitation only. The private preview will be held earlier on 18th November, based on the info I got from an internal SA, provided that you fill in your details at the Atwater website. Btw, for your info, I'm no SA. Just an average guy hunting around for a suitable property for our own stay. here are some writes up about Atwater from Propcafe https://www.facebook.com/propcafe.net/posts/950654301748864 for your info... |
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Most likely 800psf Gross before rebate,
Built-up from 670sqft to 1,422sqft with Retail element managed by Paramount |
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Oct 24 2017, 11:14 AM
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Oct 24 2017, 12:11 PM
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Stay tune...coming soon
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850psf AFTER rebate... good luck !
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QUOTE(bigman @ Oct 24 2017, 11:37 AM) Subang Jaya / Sunway City and Bangsar South ...for me is better than Section 13... Looking for some advice:For high rise, leasehold or FH is not much effect... With the same price range (800++ psf) is it possible to get any decent project for Bangsar South? Accessibility wise, isn't PJ better? |
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QUOTE(Bali ais @ Nov 6 2017, 10:45 AM) Looking for some advice: IMHO, PJ always better than Bangsar South....anyway your PJ is mentioned to which area? With the same price range (800++ psf) is it possible to get any decent project for Bangsar South? Accessibility wise, isn't PJ better? PJ is much bigger than BS... |
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Saw the banner everywhere nearby my place
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QUOTE(bigman @ Nov 6 2017, 12:19 PM) IMHO, PJ always better than Bangsar South....anyway your PJ is mentioned to which area? deng deng deng...propcafe came out the review on PJ seksyen 13....next dunno whether they will cover ryan n miho or this atwater....emm. lets hope both...very little info has been shared on these two projs.PJ is much bigger than BS... http://propcafe.net/propcafe-review-petali...on-13-selangor/ |
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that road is really flooded by condos.. gonna add to the traffic mass
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Nov 7 2017, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE(propertybbb @ Nov 6 2017, 09:21 PM) deng deng deng...propcafe came out the review on PJ seksyen 13....next dunno whether they will cover ryan n miho or this atwater....emm. lets hope both...very little info has been shared on these two projs. I saw a tv program abt a bioswale project in taiwan. Its amazing! Hopefuly, pj planners can implement it.http://propcafe.net/propcafe-review-petali...on-13-selangor/ |
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ryan & miho copy rumah selangorku low cost flat design??
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QUOTE(propertybbb @ Nov 6 2017, 09:21 PM) Protip: check out those single storey houses in Section 14. Value there... |
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nett here is 800psf onwards. if die die want to pick between milo and here here surely better. both will find it tough for rental though
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Nov 18 2017, 04:18 PM
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Just went to sales gallery of PJ mid town, Milo, and Atwater.
Seems like ryan and miho has the biggest crowd. Most probably due to its lowest entry price among the 3 project. RnM 1k plus unit is a big no no for me. Atwater facade looks interesting with low density. But price is rather on the high side (840 psqft after 10% discount). Midtown is selling at the mercy of the buyer. Both tower 1 and 2 still have plenty of units available. |
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Contemplating a 2 bedder 670sqft unit - $850p/sf (+-), 2 carparks, Partial furnished, legal fees absorbed. Good crowd today, contrary to soft prop market .. Sifu(s) thoughts?
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definitely bwtter than ryan n miho.....one cp i think much cheaper psf..low floor below 800psf...
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Layout looks good except the second bedroom (for 670 and 703sf) window opens into the yard area
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Nov 19 2017, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Nov 19 2017, 01:52 PM) those clear of office bulding height will be at least 820psf nett, with 2cp but tandem..then higher floor (lvl 14 onwards) with 2 side by side cp will be 850psf up...This post has been edited by Vector88: Nov 19 2017, 05:08 PM |
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many supply upcoming at PJ, gonna be interesting
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QUOTE(propertybbb @ Nov 19 2017, 01:25 AM) definitely bwtter than ryan n miho.....one cp i think much cheaper psf..low floor below 800psf... What is "one cp"?https://www.google.com/amp/propcafe.net/atw...t-property/amp/ |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Nov 20 2017, 10:42 AM) Oh... Design, facade, location looks tempting. The response is not really hot (based on the sticker board for in the showroom). PJ Mid town launched during 2013 / 2014 with price around 800 psqft. 3 years after, the price seems to be stalled. Probably 800 psqft is the max price for this area? It will really need some time before the price goes up (if... it ever happen) ? This post has been edited by Bali ais: Nov 20 2017, 12:00 PM |
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QUOTE(Bali ais @ Nov 20 2017, 11:58 AM) Oh... I think depends on location concept and etc.Design, facade, location looks tempting. The response is not really hot (based on the sticker board for in the showroom). PJ Mid town launched during 2013 / 2014 with price around 800 psqft. 3 years after, the price seems to be stalled. Probably 800 psqft is the max price for this area? It will really need some time before the price goes up (if... it ever happen) ? Biji also priced as expensive but kena sapued.......maybe FH vs LH....or residents prefer to stay in non office environment? but based on the lukewarm responses, I think even 800psf is viewed as overpriced jor. |
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QUOTE(DesRed @ Oct 21 2017, 01:11 PM) Price and package (let along the unit sizes) are still unknown as of this time, but as for the launch date, it will only be in December when the showroom is completed. any suggest form you suitable for own stay project?The private preview will be held earlier on 18th November, based on the info I got from an internal SA, provided that you fill in your details at the Atwater website. Btw, for your info, I'm no SA. Just an average guy hunting around for a suitable property for our own stay. |
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QUOTE(Bali ais @ Nov 19 2017, 09:58 PM) Oh... wait till midtowns vp n see how weak it performs. PJ centrestage 40+% occupied by bangla etc. informs by a friend staying there.Design, facade, location looks tempting. The response is not really hot (based on the sticker board for in the showroom). PJ Mid town launched during 2013 / 2014 with price around 800 psqft. 3 years after, the price seems to be stalled. Probably 800 psqft is the max price for this area? It will really need some time before the price goes up (if... it ever happen) ? |
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Nov 21 2017, 10:31 PM) wait till midtowns vp n see how weak it performs. PJ centrestage 40+% occupied by bangla etc. informs by a friend staying there. Haha. No need to wait till vp already can see how weak is PJ Midtown's sales. Thing is all 3 projects seemed to be holding on to the price tag of ~800psqft even though it is not really going well at the moment. |
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updating cmw's old post. Do update it wherever u can.
QUOTE(CMW123 @ Aug 4 2014, 02:46 AM) There are very high supply coming into S13. Let's see the progress of Centerstage occupany n rental market to have a feel centrestage high occupancy with many foreign worker like Indon bangla The retail like The School at Jaya One is so quiet and so many many vacant units. Jaya one retails decent but apartment low-OK occupancy due to larger sized units among others. The re-opened Jaya Shopping Center is so quiet and so many many vacant units Only Jaya 33 is ok but it is a small space Only F&B can survive Pacific star almost abandoned F&N twilight delayed for years Columbia asia doing well |
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Still cannot understand the meaning of the condo name? The name itself doesn't justify for 1000 psft
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Atwater total 493 serviced apartment units over 2.18 acre land (residential side)
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QUOTE(innsean @ Dec 4 2017, 07:08 PM) Atwater total 493 serviced apartment units over 2.18 acre land (residential side) So what is your suggestion if someone is considering purchasing Atwater for own stay?vs Ryan & Miho total 1,084 units over 5.94 acres land the whole stretch filled with new launches haven't even mention Pacific Star yet & spillover from indirect sites... GG Everywhere is filled with new launches. Everywhere is congested. |
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For that area, and for own stay, i suggest to buy 2nd hand. Some already paid MOT where u save quite a bit of money. Given that nowadays, the quality is really bad and some are based on luck.
Just go secondary market to pick your best choice and of course u can save $ on bank interest too. As for investment too, buying second hand might be a better choice based on current market situation. 1st, u save on bank interest 2nd u can straight away rent it out and collect income. 3rd, u never know if your unit will able to deliver to you just like some big development that delay quite a bit. |
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Biji Living at Section 17 might be most decent after all
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QUOTE(Bali ais @ Nov 22 2017, 09:57 AM) Haha. No need to wait till vp already can see how weak is PJ Midtown's sales. Thing is all 3 projects seemed to be holding on to the price tag of ~800psqft even though it is not really going well at the moment. As far as i know, Midtown is going as low as 770psf now |
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QUOTE(CSSNG @ Dec 7 2017, 08:43 AM) from what i heard, they were referring to the 2 bedders...if its at this price, is it still a good buy at this area? Really looking for some good advice. for investment? 700++ units n mostly would be for investment too. Most of the things in this area arent doing very well. |
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Wonder why Paramount still holding back this launch.
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Probably after Ryan & Miho launched, they felt the need to. After all buyers can only buy that much
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Atwater should beat Riang & Milo hands down.
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QUOTE(Vector88 @ Dec 13 2017, 06:27 PM) I just went there and have a look, it seems that the take up rate is about 40% now. Given the current condition i think they are doing quite ok la.Semi furnished, I am still contemplating between Atwater or SouthBrookes. Sifu-sifu here got any thought? |
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QUOTE(Big House Keith @ Dec 18 2017, 12:38 PM) I just went there and have a look, it seems that the take up rate is about 40% now. Given the current condition i think they are doing quite ok la. 2 very different location. Desa Park vs Section 13 PJ, depends what's your purpose own stay or investment. Semi furnished, I am still contemplating between Atwater or SouthBrookes. Sifu-sifu here got any thought? If own stay, whichever location you are most comfortable with. Factors such as workplace, sentiment value & convinience can be considered lol |
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QUOTE(Big House Keith @ Dec 17 2017, 10:38 PM) I just went there and have a look, it seems that the take up rate is about 40% now. Given the current condition i think they are doing quite ok la. southbrook better. if u study section13 high-rise pricing seems to be on a downtrend. Pakific stah launch by grade F developer and now almost abandoned launched at 780+++Psf 4 yrs ago.Semi furnished, I am still contemplating between Atwater or SouthBrookes. Sifu-sifu here got any thought? |
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QUOTE(Big House Keith @ Dec 18 2017, 12:38 PM) I just went there and have a look, it seems that the take up rate is about 40% now. Given the current condition i think they are doing quite ok la. Is it booking rate or actual take up (signed SPA)?Semi furnished, I am still contemplating between Atwater or SouthBrookes. Sifu-sifu here got any thought? |
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QUOTE(Big House Keith @ Dec 18 2017, 12:38 PM) I just went there and have a look, it seems that the take up rate is about 40% now. Given the current condition i think they are doing quite ok la. Pls dun trust sticker game.Semi furnished, I am still contemplating between Atwater or SouthBrookes. Sifu-sifu here got any thought? |
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Any change to the price psf or promo? Or we are still playing the patience game between buyer and developer?
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Any change to the price psf or promo? Or we are still playing the patience game between buyer and developer?
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RM0.00 PARAMOUNT PROPERTY: As a valued registrant, you are cordially invited to come view our newly completed Atwater show units on 6 Jan(Sat) at Paramount Property Gallery. (waze: http://bit.ly/2j0wZUz).
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QUOTE(Ricky300 @ Jan 15 2018, 08:42 PM) Thanks... so many high rise coming up in PJ |
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QUOTE(JonathanIB @ Jan 16 2018, 06:39 PM) Then expect the neighbours to start raising a stink sooner or later in the name of 'congestion', 'reduced quality of life', etc. Wouldn't be surprised as to what is going on in Taman Desa will occur here in the near future. |
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Is anyone concern about how close the family tower is to the office block? Even if you are taking a high floor, you will have to face the compressors from the roof top of office block. Iβm considering buying a unit facing the main road on the family tower, appreciate your feedback whether the noise from the office block will be an issue to the family block.
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QUOTE(Kp28 @ Jan 18 2018, 11:27 AM) Is anyone concern about how close the family tower is to the office block? Even if you are taking a high floor, you will have to face the compressors from the roof top of office block. Iβm considering buying a unit facing the main road on the family tower, appreciate your feedback whether the noise from the office block will be an issue to the family block. Maybe u also can consider pj Midtown as the vIew is facing semi D and Amcorp Mall. Psf 760rm starting. With gold GBI, partial furnish and cash back. |
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QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Jan 22 2018, 05:16 PM) It's an awesome place for living! But pipu won't understand wan... they want new, they want FREEhold (they hear LEASEhold, they start to get allergic reaction), they think old tamans all inhabited by crooks ready to climb in thru yr window... So, pls go buy ijok, siminyih, sipang, pls. |
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Hey guys,
Newbie here. Since this priced at around rm800 psf.Just wondering is there still rooms for grow near future? I am considering buy it for investment purpose. I could see there are properties ads flying around saying that facing klcc 450k (1300 units),blablabla..a bit of decision dilemma when so many info input come into my head. Btw,Any update on the current sales %? |
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QUOTE(Intoproperty @ Jan 26 2018, 11:57 PM) Hey guys, Sales is going really really slow due to the high entry price.Newbie here. Since this priced at around rm800 psf.Just wondering is there still rooms for grow near future? I am considering buy it for investment purpose. I could see there are properties ads flying around saying that facing klcc 450k (1300 units),blablabla..a bit of decision dilemma when so many info input come into my head. Btw,Any update on the current sales %? |
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Hey guys,
Quick update I got from SA: Initial offer of 100 candidates with zero down payment (1% plus 9%) is now fully occupied and the buyers ready to sign SPA is 160 plus. Some news saying that paramount will reduce the package offer to 7% soon ( which mean you will need to pay 3% down payment). From the occupant rate, is this consider a good investment profile? Feel free to give opinion as myself tend to get one as well.@.@ This post has been edited by Intoproperty: Jan 31 2018, 12:40 PM |
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QUOTE(Bali ais @ Jan 28 2018, 04:45 PM) Yeah..I am also thinking on the psf price is kind of wow..around 800psf while I can see a lot of projects around KL selling around 600psf (nearby klcc), but come to low density, it still have the reason.Chicken and egg relationship...dilemma |
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QUOTE(Intoproperty @ Jan 31 2018, 12:25 PM) Yeah..I am also thinking on the psf price is kind of wow..around 800psf while I can see a lot of projects around KL selling around 600psf (nearby klcc), but come to low density, it still have the reason. might sharing what are your main purposes of buying this property?Chicken and egg relationship...dilemma |
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Does anyone knows if the widening of the main road in front of Atwater from 2 lanes to 3 will actually happen? And when if it does?
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jan 31 2018, 03:18 PM) Wat simialr property u used as a yardstick to enaure that this project meets your expectation on rental yield? Hi. Perhaps your question is kind of depend on individual to individual, but no problem , from my perspective, any investment that can yield rental 70% of my monthly costs will be ok.Are you getting unit there as well? Mind to share your thought? |
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QUOTE(Intoproperty @ Jan 31 2018, 09:18 PM) Hi. Perhaps your question is kind of depend on individual to individual, but no problem , from my perspective, any investment that can yield rental 70% of my monthly costs will be ok. Which property rental that u benchmarked again recovering 70% of yr monthly repayment?Are you getting unit there as well? Mind to share your thought? I did very study of this property and always feel that the price is high for the location. And sec13 with no light train transport isnt on my radar. |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jan 31 2018, 10:53 PM) Which property rental that u benchmarked again recovering 70% of yr monthly repayment? great and honest sharing.... I did very study of this property and always feel that the price is high for the location. And sec13 with no light train transport isnt on my radar. |
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My opinion is not suitable as investment. How much you want to rent ? I don't think it can cover your interest, not to mention the full instalment. If you like it , buy for your own stay. |
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Mind asking current rebate package is 9% or 10%?
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QUOTE(Ededed92 @ Feb 3 2018, 06:07 PM) Currently it is 9% rebate plus 1% (waive for the first 100 candidates who sign spa)From some news I heard that paramount is going to update the package to 7% rebate And you will need pay 3% down payment. Hope this help. |
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Heard that there are few upper floors of atwater residential is offering high ceiling to enable you to have additional room or office or having high hanging light for premium feel interior.
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jan 31 2018, 10:53 PM) Which property rental that u benchmarked again recovering 70% of yr monthly repayment? In fact majority of my properties investment provides 90% or above of my installment amount.Technical study doesn't always bring u accurate result as sometime it bring u lose in opportunity in earning money.I did very study of this property and always feel that the price is high for the location. And sec13 with no light train transport isnt on my radar. I doesn't mean that this project is best, but I can see his potential, at least personally feel. Lastly, no offence on your studies, just to share my feel |
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QUOTE(Intoproperty @ Feb 6 2018, 12:08 AM) In fact majority of my properties investment provides 90% or above of my installment amount.Technical study doesn't always bring u accurate result as sometime it bring u lose in opportunity in earning money. No offend. Each to its own.I doesn't mean that this project is best, but I can see his potential, at least personally feel. Lastly, no offence on your studies, just to share my feel |
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Just a quick update:
Too free today so walk in the show gallery today just to see the sticker board on sales result: *Not sure it is sticker game or not, but just try to share the info 1) It is around 250 units / 490+ units sold ~~ 50%?? 2) I spoke to the PIC there seems the order of 1%+9% rebate is ended as the candidates that signed the SPA is more than 100. 3) The current package 9% rebate + Free SPA legal + Free mortgage Legal + Free both stamping (Mean to pay is 1% + MOT) 3) Paramount will launch the 3% + 7% package soon(Mean you will need to pay 3% down payment). 4) Own observation: Most units that left are the family suit type which cost > 1 million. @_@ Hope this give some info |
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QUOTE(Intoproperty @ Feb 7 2018, 09:37 PM) Just a quick update: this one new project? me kena spam by emails and sms for this project...Too free today so walk in the show gallery today just to see the sticker board on sales result: *Not sure it is sticker game or not, but just try to share the info 1) It is around 250 units / 490+ units sold ~~ 50%?? 2) I spoke to the PIC there seems the order of 1%+9% rebate is ended as the candidates that signed the SPA is more than 100. 3) The current package 9% rebate + Free SPA legal + Free mortgage Legal + Free both stamping (Mean to pay is 1% + MOT) 3) Paramount will launch the 3% + 7% package soon(Mean you will need to pay 3% down payment). 4) Own observation: Most units that left are the family suit type which cost > 1 million. @_@ Hope this give some info |
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QUOTE(LordZ @ Feb 8 2018, 10:16 AM) It is a high ceiling unit which paramount build the staircase and top floor for you free (consist of 200spft++). After that depend on you wanna make it a rooom or study area. that will make your unit 3 rooms instead of two rooms. |
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it will be perfect if for airbnb usage..how about rent? do u think ppl will prefer this kind?
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QUOTE(Intoproperty @ Feb 7 2018, 09:37 PM) Just a quick update: The point 3 is not true. Spoken with Paramount Sales Team...no such thing!Too free today so walk in the show gallery today just to see the sticker board on sales result: *Not sure it is sticker game or not, but just try to share the info 1) It is around 250 units / 490+ units sold ~~ 50%?? 2) I spoke to the PIC there seems the order of 1%+9% rebate is ended as the candidates that signed the SPA is more than 100. 3) The current package 9% rebate + Free SPA legal + Free mortgage Legal + Free both stamping (Mean to pay is 1% + MOT) 3) Paramount will launch the 3% + 7% package soon(Mean you will need to pay 3% down payment). 4) Own observation: Most units that left are the family suit type which cost > 1 million. @_@ Hope this give some info |
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QUOTE(propertybbb @ Feb 11 2018, 12:05 PM) Ownstay yes...PJ always nice to stay for local with car. airbnb well it lacks of public transport like mrt or lrt within walking distance. I agree it's more suitable for own stay. A lot of investor will be reluctant to go in due to high entry price. Even for airbnb I think it's gonna be hard due the lack of public transportation within walking distance. But on the bright side, if you are buying this for own stay, all these are actually +ve points. Lesser investor means lesser stranger going in and out and more responsible tenants. |
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QUOTE(Bali ais @ Feb 11 2018, 05:36 PM) I agree it's more suitable for own stay. A lot of investor will be reluctant to go in due to high entry price. Even for airbnb I think it's gonna be hard due the lack of public transportation within walking distance. But on the bright side, if you are buying this for own stay, all these are actually +ve points. Lesser investor means lesser stranger going in and out and more responsible tenants. Food for thought for bad points...Bad things are 1. Sales will be extrenely slow. Developer migut give better disc to late comers. 2. Upon vp...owners must complete w developer to flip if owner no longer require the unit. 3. If developer cant sell, the building will be empty for a while. Some owners also may not keen to m9ve in as early. |
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i went to both showrooms with my wife lately.
made a booking for atwater 1st impression: Bryan n Milo -slightly cheaper compared to atwater -have own landed gated compound (although onli driveways) -rooms felt small and cramped, but layouts are considered practical -all bare units, you dont even get free aircon. all you get is free basins and toilet bowls -carparks are all seperated frm the residential block, u ought to get used to some walking if u are buying RnM -1000+ units sounds scary, do expect lots of units being rented to arabs, ninjas, philipinos, indian expats (similar to whats happening to centerstage) -they promised tons of facilities and landscaping, but dont have high hopes on osk to keep their end of the promised atwater : -biggest downside. a big chunk of the units is facing the office blocks. if you buying the lower level units, get ready to have your curtains closed for most of the time. -shared entry, driveway, landed compound with the office block and commercial lot. -higher price range psqf comparing to RnM -the 670-700sqf unit layouts are a bit weird, the bathroom have 3 doors. but generally quite spacious living room, and rooms. -facilities looks more promising comparing to rnm |
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QUOTE(ahnien @ Feb 12 2018, 11:46 PM) i went to both showrooms with my wife lately. How much nett d 670 sf one?made a booking for atwater 1st impression: Bryan n Milo -slightly cheaper compared to atwater -have own landed gated compound (although onli driveways) -rooms felt small and cramped, but layouts are considered practical -all bare units, you dont even get free aircon. all you get is free basins and toilet bowls -carparks are all seperated frm the residential block, u ought to get used to some walking if u are buying RnM -1000+ units sounds scary, do expect lots of units being rented to arabs, ninjas, philipinos, indian expats (similar to whats happening to centerstage) -they promised tons of facilities and landscaping, but dont have high hopes on osk to keep their end of the promised atwater : -biggest downside. a big chunk of the units is facing the office blocks. if you buying the lower level units, get ready to have your curtains closed for most of the time. -shared entry, driveway, landed compound with the office block and commercial lot. -higher price range psqf comparing to RnM -the 670-700sqf unit layouts are a bit weird, the bathroom have 3 doors. but generally quite spacious living room, and rooms. -facilities looks more promising comparing to rnm |
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QUOTE(Bali ais @ Feb 11 2018, 05:36 PM) I agree it's more suitable for own stay. A lot of investor will be reluctant to go in due to high entry price. Even for airbnb I think it's gonna be hard due the lack of public transportation within walking distance. But on the bright side, if you are buying this for own stay, all these are actually +ve points. Lesser investor means lesser stranger going in and out and more responsible tenants. To me, if the potential airbnb renter have his/her own transport, I'm sure they'll will be alright with this project. But yeah, you'll loose out on those who rely on public transportation, tho.I once considered this project, but when I saw how expensive it is for the smallest 3 bedroom unit (1,052sf) at roughly 8xxpsf (after rebate), I gave it a pass despite the 10% rebate. |
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QUOTE(empatTan @ Feb 13 2018, 12:01 AM) the SA kept pushing for the 670-730sqf units even though i brough my kid n wife along.i had to like told them a few times im interested in the bigger units. anyway, i simply picked a small unit for calculation.... its around 670k gross... after rebate 9% is around 610k+ |
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QUOTE(ahnien @ Feb 13 2018, 11:40 AM) the SA kept pushing for the 670-730sqf units even though i brough my kid n wife along. Thatβs around 900 psf? ? ?i had to like told them a few times im interested in the bigger units. anyway, i simply picked a small unit for calculation.... its around 670k gross... after rebate 9% is around 610k+ |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Feb 11 2018, 09:02 PM) Food for thought for bad points... Yep. This is what happening for PJ midtown at the moment.Bad things are 1. Sales will be extrenely slow. Developer migut give better disc to late comers. 2. Upon vp...owners must complete w developer to flip if owner no longer require the unit. 3. If developer cant sell, the building will be empty for a while. Some owners also may not keen to m9ve in as early. |
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How for is it to the nearest lrt or mrt station. Is it walking distance?
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QUOTE(restful increase @ Feb 13 2018, 11:14 PM) Nope. You can try and use google maps estimation to any LRT/MRT (Taman Bahagia, Taman Paramount, Asia Jaya, etc.) station you see there. All around 2km onwards from this project. Same goes for Ryan & Miho. |
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QUOTE(Hofmann33 @ Feb 15 2018, 03:18 PM) The condo is expensive because when the developers bought the land, it is already not cheap ! So developers have no choice but to price it at high psf ...This post has been edited by Vector88: Feb 15 2018, 05:06 PM |
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for investment or ownstay purposes pls visit existing condo in the area and study the demographics.
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Feb 16 2018, 08:25 AM) for investment or ownstay purposes pls visit existing condo in the area and study the demographics. This is d paradox of Malaysian real estate. Why is a super prime and established area given to banglas and Malaysian themselves shy away to faraway ulu places and then, complain about d commuting, amenities etc...? Lol, d folly of Malaysian real estate buyers...if majority bangla is OK then this place is for u! This post has been edited by empatTan: Feb 16 2018, 10:50 AM |
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Feb 16 2018, 08:25 AM) for investment or ownstay purposes pls visit existing condo in the area and study the demographics. jaya one resident mostly local and chinese, condo in PJ above 500k majority are rent/own by chinese, the shops there at section17, 22, 21, 2..... mostly chinese. if majority bangla is OK then this place is for u! which condo have a lot of bangla? |
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QUOTE(ahnien @ Feb 12 2018, 11:46 PM) i went to both showrooms with my wife lately. Why not consider pj midtown ?made a booking for atwater 1st impression: Bryan n Milo -slightly cheaper compared to atwater -have own landed gated compound (although onli driveways) -rooms felt small and cramped, but layouts are considered practical -all bare units, you dont even get free aircon. all you get is free basins and toilet bowls -carparks are all seperated frm the residential block, u ought to get used to some walking if u are buying RnM -1000+ units sounds scary, do expect lots of units being rented to arabs, ninjas, philipinos, indian expats (similar to whats happening to centerstage) -they promised tons of facilities and landscaping, but dont have high hopes on osk to keep their end of the promised atwater : -biggest downside. a big chunk of the units is facing the office blocks. if you buying the lower level units, get ready to have your curtains closed for most of the time. -shared entry, driveway, landed compound with the office block and commercial lot. -higher price range psqf comparing to RnM -the 670-700sqf unit layouts are a bit weird, the bathroom have 3 doors. but generally quite spacious living room, and rooms. -facilities looks more promising comparing to rnm |
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Any update on sales percentage? Seems every projects are going slow in the market. π
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Is there any confirmed atwater buyer would like to share their insight? I bought one and the reason I buy is because of low density ( I get bored with 1000 units per block thingy), and the offices in front are occupied with big companies( mean there are certain level of tenants will come in) This is my personal feel,Comparing with Ryan and miho, I heard a lot of bad works for the developer,. Like last min change plan, deliver low quality of residential and others. The only advantage I can see for Ryan & miho is there will be a linked bridge from Jaya one to them. (But I prefer to stay away as I am so old type and feel residential should not be too direct like with retails and that will impact quality of living) Hope can hear more from you all, this thread is so quite. @.@ |
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QUOTE(ahnien @ Feb 12 2018, 11:46 PM) i went to both showrooms with my wife lately. Hi,made a booking for atwater 1st impression: Bryan n Milo -slightly cheaper compared to atwater -have own landed gated compound (although onli driveways) -rooms felt small and cramped, but layouts are considered practical -all bare units, you dont even get free aircon. all you get is free basins and toilet bowls -carparks are all seperated frm the residential block, u ought to get used to some walking if u are buying RnM -1000+ units sounds scary, do expect lots of units being rented to arabs, ninjas, philipinos, indian expats (similar to whats happening to centerstage) -they promised tons of facilities and landscaping, but dont have high hopes on osk to keep their end of the promised atwater : -biggest downside. a big chunk of the units is facing the office blocks. if you buying the lower level units, get ready to have your curtains closed for most of the time. -shared entry, driveway, landed compound with the office block and commercial lot. -higher price range psqf comparing to RnM -the 670-700sqf unit layouts are a bit weird, the bathroom have 3 doors. but generally quite spacious living room, and rooms. -facilities looks more promising comparing to rnm Are you buy it for own stay? Or investment? I bought it for investment purpose although I don't think is a very good rental yield property. ππ |
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QUOTE(1282009 @ Feb 15 2018, 12:57 PM) would probably give serene a run at their showroom b4 signing anything.but i do assume serene is more expensive that atwaters, and not to mention, higher density but when it comes to sunway properties... the risk of going wrong is low |
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Anyone knows which MNC bought the smaller office block?
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Atwater is very expensive. For own stay is ok, for investment, dont waste time. This pricing can buy Mont Kiara already. Better yield for investment
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 3 2018, 05:25 PM) Atwater is very expensive. For own stay is ok, for investment, dont waste time. This pricing can buy Mont Kiara already. Better yield for investment MK is hyped up by the fact there's a lot of international schs and lots of foreign expats nesting it.Good place for investment, but not for own local stay. The roads are non-expansive and with so much high rise development still ongoing. I wonder how those roads able to cater the future traffic |
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QUOTE(ahnien @ Mar 9 2018, 01:48 AM) MK is hyped up by the fact there's a lot of international schs and lots of foreign expats nesting it. The jam here in Mk is better than in PJ anytime.Good place for investment, but not for own local stay. The roads are non-expansive and with so much high rise development still ongoing. I wonder how those roads able to cater the future traffic |
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 9 2018, 07:47 AM) which part of PJ u comparing against...? during peak hours... the jam at section 13 here is still moving... for MK... the traffic lights along the way during peak hours is killing enough already plus the small dual lane carriageway.... |
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 9 2018, 09:52 AM) which part of PJ u comparing against...? during peak hours... the jam at section 13 here is still moving... for MK... the traffic lights along the way during peak hours is killing enough already plus the small dual lane carriageway.... Moving? Have u ever use Jalan Universiti heading to Federal? Standstill traffic. Have u tried SS2 during peak hours? Jam as hell. That stretch in front of Atwater is jammed up as hell Section 13 is one of the most jam place. Which ever way u come out, its jam as hell. U come out from Jaya 33 there, jam. U come out Honda service ctr thr jam . Are u familiar with Bandar Utama? Its jam as hell during peak hours. Try driving in front of Tropicana City Mall sprint highway during peak hours. Just to get past that stretch takes 30-45mins For MK , only sprint there is jam. Once u are in Desa Sri Hartamas, its only a short distance to my hse in MK . This post has been edited by kevin23: Mar 9 2018, 10:01 AM |
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 9 2018, 09:57 AM) Moving? Have u ever use Jalan Universiti heading to Federal? Standstill traffic. Have u tried SS2 during peak hours? Jam as hell. 1Utama, Jaya33, SS2? Those places you mention is all crowded place but I will said convenience for worker class as those places I can consider centralized with transportation, company and business.Section 13 is one of the most jam place. Which ever way u come out, its jam as hell. U come out from Jaya 33 there, jam. U come out Honda service ctr thr jam . Are u familiar with Bandar Utama? Its jam as hell during peak hours. Try driving in front of Tropicana City Mall sprint highway during peak hours. Just to get past that stretch takes 30-45mins For MK , only sprint there is jam. Once u are in Desa Sri Hartamas, its only a short distance to my hse in MK . Meanwhile MK is more to residential, I believe you need to drive out at anytime further, just like if you choose Putrajaya, Cyberjaya or even Shah Alam, I believe within the area, car will be lesser as not much people will be moving out from that area. |
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QUOTE(stevenkkh @ Mar 9 2018, 10:06 AM) 1Utama, Jaya33, SS2? Those places you mention is all crowded place but I will said convenience for worker class as those places I can consider centralized with transportation, company and business. When we say MK , we also mean Desa Sri Hartamas , Publika etc. Its full of offices there.Meanwhile MK is more to residential, I believe you need to drive out at anytime further, just like if you choose Putrajaya, Cyberjaya or even Shah Alam, I believe within the area, car will be lesser as not much people will be moving out from that area. |
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 9 2018, 10:13 AM) Can MK's business amount comparable to PJ? This is the issue as PJ, Kelana Jaya, Damansara etc is all within the side that have bigger crowd and connectivity which is why the traffic is much heavier as everything is within walking you can said which mean you can live in PJ without a car.This post has been edited by stevenkkh: Mar 9 2018, 10:48 AM |
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 9 2018, 09:57 AM) Moving? Have u ever use Jalan Universiti heading to Federal? Standstill traffic. Have u tried SS2 during peak hours? Jam as hell. That stretch in front of Atwater is jammed up as hell Going back from the Fed. Highway to Jln University, the jam is also equally bad. A few times that I go around there to eat after work with my wife, I have to take the further exit from the Fed. Highway and make a turning to Jaya 33 as the jam there isn't so bad (still moving kind of jam).Section 13 is one of the most jam place. Which ever way u come out, its jam as hell. U come out from Jaya 33 there, jam. U come out Honda service ctr thr jam . Are u familiar with Bandar Utama? Its jam as hell during peak hours. Try driving in front of Tropicana City Mall sprint highway during peak hours. Just to get past that stretch takes 30-45mins For MK , only sprint there is jam. Once u are in Desa Sri Hartamas, its only a short distance to my hse in MK . |
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Mk and pj prices r d same oredi. And rightly so. As both r equally super prime addresses. Pj is more local flavoured. Mk more international. Jams r natural for super prime addresses in kv. From an investment pov however, mk is better.
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QUOTE(empatTan @ Mar 9 2018, 12:03 PM) Mk and pj prices r d same oredi. And rightly so. As both r equally super prime addresses. Pj is more local flavoured. Mk more international. Jams r natural for super prime addresses in kv. From an investment pov however, mk is better. gt sapu few biji of MK properties or not since its good for investors... haha... should be gt some good subsales deal there as well... |
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 9 2018, 12:07 PM) gt sapu few biji of MK properties or not since its good for investors... haha... should be gt some good subsales deal there as well... My mk props hv never been vacant for more than 2 months... Few years ago, mk props were under valued. If I had listened to mk naysayers, I never would've ventured into here... |
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QUOTE(empatTan @ Mar 9 2018, 12:18 PM) My mk props hv never been vacant for more than 2 months... biji yg betul... the old ones are all valuable from investment point of view... as for the newers one... some are too deep inside... some are just not exactly in mont kiara... my fren just bought a mt kiara subsales with a long term tenant inside... every mth gt positive cash flow with 90% LTV....Few years ago, mk props were under valued. If I had listened to mk naysayers, I never would've ventured into here... |
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QUOTE(SquareFt @ Mar 9 2018, 12:24 PM) Investment is not about buying at lowest price point.Its all about buying the right property. If wanna buy cheapest properties might as well buy cyber....banyak auction there....some dipped 50% below developers price. |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 9 2018, 05:15 PM) Investment is not about buying at lowest price point. Of course but if you could buy the right property at the lowest price point, wouldn't it be a double win? Anyway if I wanted the cheapest I'd buy a bungalow in Sungai Petani laIts all about buying the right property. If wanna buy cheapest properties might as well buy cyber....banyak auction there....some dipped 50% below developers price. |
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QUOTE(SquareFt @ Mar 9 2018, 05:22 PM) Of course but if you could buy the right property at the lowest price point, wouldn't it be a double win? Anyway if I wanted the cheapest I'd buy a bungalow in Sungai Petani la If only u can predict the lowest price point...Got rub yr crystal ball or ask yr genni boh? |
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 9 2018, 09:57 AM) Moving? Have u ever use Jalan Universiti heading to Federal? Standstill traffic. Have u tried SS2 during peak hours? Jam as hell. That stretch in front of Atwater is jammed up as hell I dun underztand comparinv jam durinv peak hours...u guys retiree? Afternoon shift? Ladies going out for hairdo?ππSection 13 is one of the most jam place. Which ever way u come out, its jam as hell. U come out from Jaya 33 there, jam. U come out Honda service ctr thr jam . Are u familiar with Bandar Utama? Its jam as hell during peak hours. Try driving in front of Tropicana City Mall sprint highway during peak hours. Just to get past that stretch takes 30-45mins For MK , only sprint there is jam. Once u are in Desa Sri Hartamas, its only a short distance to my hse in MK . |
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signing SNP this weekend.
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im also looking for some points may can change my mind?
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 17 2018, 11:47 AM) watlioa... isn't that what happened to Hong Kong? Once the amount of land available reduces, that's what will happen. Speak to anyone from Hong Kong and they will be amazed how condos here is 1000 sqft.20yrs ago....a typical condo will come with no less than 1200sq... now 800sq people already think its SPACIOUS. 20 yrs from now, 400sq is godsent. |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 17 2018, 12:37 PM) even if we have more land, the property market will continue to go up in the long term. Take cities like London, Paris for example, they have plenty of land but prices still go up because all this space available is not within the city centre or close by. The same is happening here and in all the cities around the world because people simply choose to stay in mature township or close to city centre.What is more of an issue is income has not caught up with house prices and for the same amount of money 20-30 years ago, we will not be able to get a similar size place anymore. So everything either becomes smaller or more expensive. |
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QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Mar 17 2018, 12:45 PM) even if we have more land, the property market will continue to go up in the long term. Take cities like London, Paris for example, they have plenty of land but prices still go up because all this space available is not within the city centre or close by. The same is happening here and in all the cities around the world because people simply choose to stay in mature township or close to city centre. Again we are developing country with high corrupton going on on daily basis. Dont compare to london paris and other G7 countries.What is more of an issue is income has not caught up with house prices and for the same amount of money 20-30 years ago, we will not be able to get a similar size place anymore. So everything either becomes smaller or more expensive. Malaysia wont be like london paris or even hk in the next 30yrs. Dont be kiasu. Bn make sure you will get 1000psf gov subsidied housing. |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 17 2018, 02:30 PM) Again we are developing country with high corrupton going on on daily basis. Dont compare to london paris and other G7 countries. how about Bangkok then? my Thai friends living in Bangkok are also facing the same issue about housing. Income cannot match the price of houses there.Malaysia wont be like london paris or even hk in the next 30yrs. Dont be kiasu. Bn make sure you will get 1000psf gov subsidied housing. I think kiasu is inappropriate. The issue of why houses are expensive is because income cannot grow at the rate of increasing prices. Regardless if the country is a developing nation or advanced one, this issue is something every single country is struggling with. If you follow the local news of other country, you will see that even UK, US and HK is stuck in the same problem. Read some UN, World Bank or PwC reports and you'll realise urbanisation is a global issue. Corruption or no corruption problem is still there. But I agree less corruption means more money in government coffers for social housing. |
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QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Mar 17 2018, 03:36 PM) how about Bangkok then? my Thai friends living in Bangkok are also facing the same issue about housing. Income cannot match the price of houses there. Prima Rumawip and rumahselangkor ku cannot find houses under 400k or even 300k?I think kiasu is inappropriate. The issue of why houses are expensive is because income cannot grow at the rate of increasing prices. Regardless if the country is a developing nation or advanced one, this issue is something every single country is struggling with. If you follow the local news of other country, you will see that even UK, US and HK is stuck in the same problem. Read some UN, World Bank or PwC reports and you'll realise urbanisation is a global issue. Corruption or no corruption problem is still there. But I agree less corruption means more money in government coffers for social housing. whether you want or not only. stop complaininng income not matchinng housing but stilll want to buy luxury properties like Atwater. i dunno about thailand public housing. but when i walk around the city, can find those studio and 1bedder advertised under 500k ringgit.....few of them. |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 17 2018, 04:56 PM) Prima Rumawip and rumahselangkor ku cannot find houses under 400k or even 300k? I'm simply stating the fact that income doesn't match the growth of housing prices. I buy what i can afford and i am happy with the 2 places i own. whether you want or not only. stop complaininng income not matchinng housing but stilll want to buy luxury properties like Atwater. i dunno about thailand public housing. but when i walk around the city, can find those studio and 1bedder advertised under 500k ringgit.....few of them. I think you are the one who stated that people think 800 sqft is spacious when back then all condos are at least 1,000 sqft and above. Just pointing it out that it's a matter of disproportionate growth. Sure there's subsidised housing and it's helping some who can't afford Atwater etc. Just a matter of being in the waiting line and waiting for supply of subsidised housing to meet the high demand. |
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QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Mar 17 2018, 05:20 PM) I'm simply stating the fact that income doesn't match the growth of housing prices. I buy what i can afford and i am happy with the 2 places i own. You mean the % growth of income doesnt match w the % growth of house price?I think you are the one who stated that people think 800 sqft is spacious when back then all condos are at least 1,000 sqft and above. Just pointing it out that it's a matter of disproportionate growth. Sure there's subsidised housing and it's helping some who can't afford Atwater etc. Just a matter of being in the waiting line and waiting for supply of subsidised housing to meet the high demand. How much income growth last year and how much property price grow last year? Since when % growth in income matches % growth of house price? If yr income growth not much then better buy lower price property no? And you have 2 properties.....how to hold the water of income cant match the property price? |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 17 2018, 09:29 PM) You mean the % growth of income doesnt match w the % growth of house price? Yes I meant % growth of income doesn't match % growth of pricesHow much income growth last year and how much property price grow last year? Since when % growth in income matches % growth of house price? If yr income growth not much then better buy lower price property no? And you have 2 properties.....how to hold the water of income cant match the property price? "the mismatch was exacerbated by the slower increase in median household incomes (CAGR 2012-2016: 9.6%) relative to median house prices (15.6%). These factors have resulted in median house prices in Malaysia being 5.0 times annual median household income in 2016, rendering house prices βseriously unaffordableβ in Malaysia." http://www.bnm.gov.my/files/publication/qb...7/Q3/p3_ba2.pdf Looking at economic data for just one year is a skewed view so if you look at the above picked out from BNM report, clearly affordability has become increasingly difficult Of course income will never catch up with property prices. That has been my point from the beginning. Hence, people are starting to be content with a 800 sqft today vs 1000 sqft a decade ago. Have to compromise on size for good location. I won't be surprised that 10-20 years later, people will be content with just a 600 sqft 2-bed units I have been lucky to not have any education loan, receive family support to get onto the housing ladder and to earn individual income that is way above the median household income. Even that, none of my 2 places are in prime area or bigger than 1000 sqft. Many of my friends in their late 20s to mid 30s are struggling to get their own place. |
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QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Mar 17 2018, 11:55 PM) Yes I meant % growth of income doesn't match % growth of prices i understand. "the mismatch was exacerbated by the slower increase in median household incomes (CAGR 2012-2016: 9.6%) relative to median house prices (15.6%). These factors have resulted in median house prices in Malaysia being 5.0 times annual median household income in 2016, rendering house prices βseriously unaffordableβ in Malaysia." http://www.bnm.gov.my/files/publication/qb...7/Q3/p3_ba2.pdf Looking at economic data for just one year is a skewed view so if you look at the above picked out from BNM report, clearly affordability has become increasingly difficult Of course income will never catch up with property prices. That has been my point from the beginning. Hence, people are starting to be content with a 800 sqft today vs 1000 sqft a decade ago. Have to compromise on size for good location. I won't be surprised that 10-20 years later, people will be content with just a 600 sqft 2-bed units I have been lucky to not have any education loan, receive family support to get onto the housing ladder and to earn individual income that is way above the median household income. Even that, none of my 2 places are in prime area or bigger than 1000 sqft. Many of my friends in their late 20s to mid 30s are struggling to get their own place. but saying 800sq space is spacious is a bit tak ngam leh. later 600sq 400sq also say spacious..... |
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QUOTE(Intoproperty @ Mar 18 2018, 11:01 PM) Do you manage to get the 9% plus 1% rebate? I bought the lifestyle block, eventually quite worry whether price will grow,but kind of confident to the developer quality.. price appreciation has very little to do with quality of the building.its about location pricing and demand. |
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QUOTE(Intoproperty @ Mar 18 2018, 11:01 PM) Do you manage to get the 9% plus 1% rebate? I bought the lifestyle block, eventually quite worry whether price will grow,but kind of confident to the developer quality.. Chaotic, messy, cinapek area like okr also hit 850psf oredi... U won't go v wrong in d heart of PJ lah. |
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QUOTE(powerkid88 @ Mar 17 2018, 09:43 AM) I do understand. I have been to the showroom and understand the project layout. Do read some inputs on this forum between few projects nearby, i still can't make up my mind. |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 18 2018, 12:10 AM) i understand. spaciousness depends on the layout design.but saying 800sq space is spacious is a bit tak ngam leh. later 600sq 400sq also say spacious..... ive seen 900sqf units 2r2b feel cramped ive seen 700sqf units 2r2b feel spacious its all about the layout designs, no dead corners, no odd angles, no odd pillar popping out of no where. and of course, depends on what we put into the space too. 600-900sqf with minimalist furniture feels spacious than 1200-1400sqf units with big chunky furnitures. |
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i went to sunway serene show room to have a look b4 i proceed signing the snp on atwaters.
i cant say that atwaters is better than serene cuz sunway is sunway... but serene is not perfect whats good about serene: -amazing facilities - own compound -whole lake area will be dev by sunway, so u wont have rojak problem like ss13 -layouts designs are more practical than atwaters -all units are family oriented. unlike atwaters lifestyle tower. looks more of a good place for home stay than investment/rental whats not so good bout -right beside ldp (the mother of all jams) -right beside free trade zone (lots lorries and trailers driving in and out of the area and a lot of foreign workers in the vincinity -near 50 floors!!!!!!!! 4lifts serving 10units per floor for 40+ floors which adds up to almost 450 units. good luck waiting for a lift. -higher density (near 900 units with slightly larger land area, excluding the lake n future dev area) although the exclusiveness of sunway project is a big wow... especially on what they have to offer... but the 50floor x 2 tower = 900unit on that small area is a bit of turn off for me. so i had to stick with the 500unit atwaters. sign snp dy. for those who are very brand concious.. serene is a very very good consideration. and their facilities deck is a big wow. price per sqf for both atwaters and serene is more or less the same. but serene's smallest units is already at 8xxsqf. do expect cheapest units to b atleast 750k++ ohh.. and 1 thing bout sunway properties is they always put a big big sunway signage on top of their property/building which is a big ugly at times(for a residential property) This post has been edited by ahnien: Mar 19 2018, 11:59 AM |
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QUOTE(ahnien @ Mar 19 2018, 11:31 AM) i went to sunway serene show room to have a look b4 i proceed signing the snp on atwaters. aiya too late jor....i cant say that atwaters is better than serene cuz sunway is sunway... but serene is not perfect whats good about serene: -amazing facilities - own compound -whole lake area will be dev by sunway, so u wont have rojak problem like ss13 -layouts designs are more practical than atwaters -all units are family oriented. unlike atwaters lifestyle tower. looks more of a good place for home stay than investment/rental whats not so good bout -right beside ldp (the mother of all jams) -right beside free trade zone (lots lorries and trailers drivinf in and out of the area of foreign workers in the vincinity -near 50 floors!!!!!!!! 4lifts serving 10units per floor for 40+ floors which adds up to almost 450 units. good luck waiting for a lift. -higher density (near 900 units with slightly larger land area, excluding the lake n future dev area) although the exclusiveness of sunway project is a big wow... especially on what they have to offer... but the 50floor x 2 tower = 900unit on that small area is a bit of turn off for me. so i had to stick with the 500unit atwaters. sign snp dy. for those who are very brand concious.. serene is a very very good consideration. and their facilities deck is a big wow. you should compare panorama by loh&Loh and Highpark Suites by Gamuda mah......b4 signing your life away...... |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 19 2018, 11:42 AM) no...signing your life away doesnt mean you are dead. life is ironic, isnt it...its just mean your life doesnt belong to you anymore. it belongsΒ to the bank. the truth is... i actually do work for a bank(as in employer of a bank) my 1st property m-city is with UOB now this property (atwaters) is with cimb my car js finished serving the damn 5yrs installments in total, i actually work for 3 banks. and my life actually belongs to 3 banks, after i finished off paying for the damn car.... π€£π€£π€£ not to mention, my wife oso working with another bank. and is still serving her car installment. so she is working for 2 banks. This post has been edited by ahnien: Mar 19 2018, 11:53 AM |
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QUOTE(ahnien @ Mar 19 2018, 11:50 AM) life is ironic, isnt it... Work for banks are the best.the truth is... i actually do work for a bank(as in employer of a bank) my 1st property m-city is with UOB now this property (atwaters) is with cimb my car js finished serving the damn 5yrs installments in total, i actually work for 3 banks. and my life actually belongs to 3 banks, after i finished off paying for the damn car.... π€£π€£π€£ not to mention, my wife oso working with another bank. and is still serving her car installment. so she is working for 2 banks. During good times ppl want banks to help them to expand biz During nad times ppl want banks to settle the debts... My banker friends all kaya raya de. |
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QUOTE(ahnien @ Mar 19 2018, 11:50 AM) life is ironic, isnt it... bank also help many people own their houses, or made money with the extra houses they could buy. many people in the past could cover loans + interest easily with rental, but people don't really think about thanking the bank LOLthe truth is... i actually do work for a bank(as in employer of a bank) my 1st property m-city is with UOB now this property (atwaters) is with cimb my car js finished serving the damn 5yrs installments in total, i actually work for 3 banks. and my life actually belongs to 3 banks, after i finished off paying for the damn car.... π€£π€£π€£ not to mention, my wife oso working with another bank. and is still serving her car installment. so she is working for 2 banks. |
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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Mar 19 2018, 02:56 PM) bank also help many people own their houses, or made money with the extra houses they could buy. many people in the past could cover loans + interest easily with rental, but people don't really think about thanking the bank LOL thank the bank for what? you are paying interest to them, not free loan...They should thank you because you are the nasi periuk for them... |
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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Mar 19 2018, 02:56 PM) bank also help many people own their houses, or made money with the extra houses they could buy. many people in the past could cover loans + interest easily with rental, but people don't really think about thanking the bank LOL Is paying the installment on time considered 'thanking' the bank dy? |
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QUOTE(DesRed @ Mar 19 2018, 03:29 PM) borrow must pay, and cannot expect for free.but many people have made ridiculous amounts of profit because they could leverage at the critical stage. forget about the interest. i'm thankful for banks existence. i guess it's down to perspective. some people are just thankful for everything and vice versa. i have a weird way of thinking. i am thankful to a favourite cook although i paid him. i know i pay more elsewhere also cannot get exactly that taste i like. |
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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Mar 19 2018, 09:22 PM) borrow must pay, and cannot expect for free. It's good to be thankful for what we have and what we're given.but many people have made ridiculous amounts of profit because they could leverage at the critical stage. forget about the interest. i'm thankful for banks existence. i guess it's down to perspective. some people are just thankful for everything and vice versa. i have a weird way of thinking. i am thankful to a favourite cook although i paid him. i know i pay more elsewhere also cannot get exactly that taste i like. Might consider property investment someday, but not at this moment as I'm prioritising on looking for own-stay. |
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QUOTE(DesRed @ Mar 20 2018, 12:13 PM) It's good to be thankful for what we have and what we're given. the right own stay property also can increase your net worth and credit worthiness, reduce travel time and stress, good social life etc, hence an investment too, just paying you benefit in a different form. may the force be with you Might consider property investment someday, but not at this moment as I'm prioritising on looking for own-stay. |
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Mar 21 2018, 07:09 PM
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me as a person who genuinely dislikes PJ... but yet bought it...
more than 12years in klang valley, most of the time, im a wilayah guy. but previous few years since marrying a PJ wife. i had to admit, my dislike for PJ is no less. but yet i still bought atwaters. things i dislike about pj: -surrounded by LDP and federal hw (the mother of all jams) -poor city planning, roads are winding left right left -most areas are a mixed of commercial + industrial + residential. whole pj like ROJAK tambah ini tambah itu -MBPJ is shitty ass council, dig here dig ther, dig everywhere. most road conditions are in shitty condition -PJ always water disruption!!! but yet why i still bought it?? -the risk is always lower when u buy at a matured township -saw the developement of jaya one and tropicana city mall near 10years ago -slowly see the pj33, plaza 33, jaya shopping center, VSQ, centerstage, avenue dvogue follow up, then we have PJX, Sheraton and pinnacle tower... -ignoring PJS and PJU, PJC have very very limited vacant lands left. anyway, if its for own stay, yes... its expensive. but still its a good buy. if it's for investment wanna flip this flip that. dont bother. better go see semenyih, puchong dalam dalam, kota kemuning, puncak alam, denai alam etc... if for rental... then be ready to fork 30-40% of then loan installment monthly. cuz i doubt the current rental yield can cover 100% of the installment + management fees... This post has been edited by ahnien: Mar 21 2018, 07:10 PM |
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QUOTE(ahnien @ Mar 21 2018, 07:09 PM) me as a person who genuinely dislikes PJ... but yet bought it... Next to pj33, a new office block gonna b ready v soon... This area is shaping up nicely, with resi, commercials, mnc offices, services, eateries, colleges all coming together vibrantly...more than 12years in klang valley, most of the time, im a wilayah guy. but previous few years since marrying a PJ wife. i had to admit, my dislike for PJ is no less. but yet i still bought atwaters. things i dislike about pj: -surrounded by LDP and federal hw (the mother of all jams) -poor city planning, roads are winding left right left -most areas are a mixed of commercial + industrial + residential. whole pj like ROJAK tambah ini tambah itu -MBPJ is shitty ass council, dig here dig ther, dig everywhere. most road conditions are in shitty condition -PJ always water disruption!!! but yet why i still bought it?? -the risk is always lower when u buy at a matured township -saw the developement of jaya one and tropicana city mall near 10years ago -slowly see the pj33, plaza 33, jaya shopping center, VSQ, centerstage, avenue dvogue follow up, then we have PJX, Sheraton and pinnacle tower... -ignoring PJS and PJU, PJC have very very limited vacant lands left. anyway, if its for own stay, yes... its expensive. but still its a good buy. if it's for investment wanna flip this flip that. dont bother. better go see semenyih, puchong dalam dalam, kota kemuning, puncak alam, denai alam etc... if for rental... then be ready to fork 30-40% of then loan installment monthly. cuz i doubt the current rental yield can cover 100% of the installment + management fees... |
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Mar 21 2018, 09:01 PM
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Actually pj very serene.
Most users of ldp fed dont live in pj. You still can find roundabout. Treasure them b4 they are all gone. I am not follower of apa jaya 33 44 and 55....these are distraction and selling high price food. I like my old pj. |
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Mar 21 2018, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 21 2018, 09:01 PM) Actually pj very serene. true, and LDP, Federal jam probably also because so many pj residents exit to their tamans, so they reach home earlierMost users of ldp fed dont live in pj. You still can find roundabout. Treasure them b4 they are all gone. I am not follower of apa jaya 33 44 and 55....these are distraction and selling high price food. I like my old pj. those in the jam for longer probably staying at further edges of klang valley, travel for longer time and higher mileage pj is the central part of klang valley. can easily tap into many townships like ttdi, bangsar, damansara heights, hartamas, mk, subang, sunway, kepong, selayang, sg buloh, all have their own attractions. with the highways, weekend trip to kl city, klang, cheras even genting highlands is actually not far from pj and all the top 5 malls in malaysia are a short drive from pj, including klcc & pavilion if going on sat/sun or via mrt/lrt almost anytime is good. |
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Mar 21 2018, 11:33 PM
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btw beancounter i'm not teaching you about pj which you know well
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Mar 21 2018, 11:50 PM
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If pj so good, then why r landed houses here so cheap...? ...
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Mar 22 2018, 12:23 AM
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QUOTE(empatTan @ Mar 21 2018, 11:50 PM) for example where? i admit pj is quite big and spread out.in many cases they are expensive for old run down houses which make up the majority and no modern well planned sidewalks, landscaping like new landed projects |
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Mar 22 2018, 12:46 AM
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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Mar 22 2018, 12:23 AM) for example where? i admit pj is quite big and spread out. To me, 550k for an old teres in, say, section 14 is not expensive. When compared with landed prices at those faraway kv places. Put in another 100k, it becomes a highly liveable home. Right in d middle of highly liveable pj!in many cases they are expensive for old run down houses which make up the majority and no modern well planned sidewalks, landscaping like new landed projects |
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Mar 22 2018, 01:03 AM
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QUOTE(empatTan @ Mar 22 2018, 12:46 AM) To me, 550k for an old teres in, say, section 14 is not expensive. When compared with landed prices at those faraway kv places. Put in another 100k, it becomes a highly liveable home. Right in d middle of highly liveable pj! haha i had a feeling you would come up with that. as you already know it's due to value being subjective and the buyer's objectives.you already know malaysians generally tend to value leasehold lower than freehold. your sect 14 example is very good value for the location, renewing the lease is ridiculously cheap also if own stay and don't resell. no issues for next gen to live. the price is just a reflection of the people's mindset. but that is changing and prices will creep up. location will drive it up. good news is for people who want to buy leasehold, malaysia is great, most of the time easy to find a good deal. |
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Mar 22 2018, 01:07 AM
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QUOTE(empatTan @ Mar 21 2018, 11:50 PM) Young ppl dun like old taman.I remember one forumer said buy old houses (i think it was old subang area) your neigbours all old anka and aunties. Apparently young people these days prefer to hangout with same age peers nia....they see old tamans like retirenent village. 4tan...maybe it is not pj is cheap.....its si beh far places are expensive. This post has been edited by BEANCOUNTER: Mar 22 2018, 01:08 AM |
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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Mar 22 2018, 01:03 AM) haha i had a feeling you would come up with that. as you already know it's due to value being subjective and the buyer's objectives. I dun think lishold bother younger gen much otherwise canal city wont be selling that well.you already know malaysians generally tend to value leasehold lower than freehold. your sect 14 example is very good value for the location, renewing the lease is ridiculously cheap also if own stay and don't resell. no issues for next gen to live. the price is just a reflection of the people's mindset. but that is changing and prices will creep up. location will drive it up. good news is for people who want to buy leasehold, malaysia is great, most of the time easy to find a good deal. Its to do with lifestyle and resort living that pictured a great nirvana in their minds. |
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Mar 22 2018, 01:13 AM
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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Mar 21 2018, 11:33 PM) btw beancounter i'm not teaching you about pj which you know well I grew up here.....just promoting it shamelessly only lol Change is inevitable and good to bring in next gen. But me personally just dun like the disappearance of old kopitiam flavour and replaced w chain stores and franchises good. Kfc is still my favour but others not so much. Maybe bcos i worked in kfc as customer staff (waiter the old name) before. |
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Mar 22 2018, 01:17 AM
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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Mar 22 2018, 01:03 AM) haha i had a feeling you would come up with that. as you already know it's due to value being subjective and the buyer's objectives. I think u r seeing wat I value. Yes, d archaic lishold mindset among maresian is causing grief. It's pushing people to make d wrong choice, erroneous financial decisions. you already know malaysians generally tend to value leasehold lower than freehold. your sect 14 example is very good value for the location, renewing the lease is ridiculously cheap also if own stay and don't resell. no issues for next gen to live. the price is just a reflection of the people's mindset. but that is changing and prices will creep up. location will drive it up. good news is for people who want to buy leasehold, malaysia is great, most of the time easy to find a good deal. To add, section 14 houses r rented out for up to 2k. Nowadays 700k popoti can't even fetch that. So, work backwards to get d price of a section 14 house... Btw, I bot mine for 400k, 4 years ago... |
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QUOTE(empatTan @ Mar 22 2018, 01:17 AM) I think u r seeing wat I value. Yes, d archaic lishold mindset among maresian is causing grief. It's pushing people to make d wrong choice, erroneous financial decisions. other than lishold, younger gen want brand new untouched house, zero downpayment, freebies, proper F&G/G&G. landscaping and etc... everyone want to stay in DPC landscaping taman but cant afford to stay in those similar ones at the cities... lol... lishold actually represent good value for money for a good location if you intend to keep for long term rental play without looking at appreciation.... and 4 years ago an outskirt taman new landed house also selling same price already... lol.... and they can only rent out 1k++ per mthTo add, section 14 houses r rented out for up to 2k. Nowadays 700k popoti can't even fetch that. So, work backwards to get d price of a section 14 house... Btw, I bot mine for 400k, 4 years ago... |
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Mar 22 2018, 09:45 AM
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in reality not only young gen are without a self owned home, even families with double income can be in that situation because of waiting for house prices to collapse.
therefore it is better to, for example, buy a pj leasehold that is much cheaper than freehold in the same location, and renew lease for RM1k. if the intention or objective is to provide a home for the next generation, next gen can renew the pj house lease to 99 years for RM1k after inheritance. better than renting where you can't do whatever you like to the house or enjoy the security of calling it your own home. https://www.edgeprop.my/content/lease-renewal-just-rm1000 http://www.starproperty.my/index.php/artic...r-kuala-lumpur/ |
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Mar 22 2018, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE(empatTan @ Mar 22 2018, 12:46 AM) To me, 550k for an old teres in, say, section 14 is not expensive. When compared with landed prices at those faraway kv places. Put in another 100k, it becomes a highly liveable home. Right in d middle of highly liveable pj! Where exactly still can find terrace house in PJ Sec 14 for 550k? really?? |
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QUOTE(empatTan @ Mar 21 2018, 11:50 PM) hmm... expensive got ppl complain.cheap oso got ppl complain?? anyway.. its not cheap. u need to understand. buying landed house in pj is equal to buy a mere land. the house need to be wack down or do a complete reno. which say... u need to be able to loan like 800-1.5mil for a double storey terrace house. then hav like 500k cash to wack it down to reconstruct.... or a minimal 100k cash to reno.... doesnt sound cheap.... |
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Mar 22 2018, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(bellefire @ Mar 22 2018, 10:01 AM) many people missed the boat, i guess old pj lh prices grew after the 1k lease renewal announcedvery happy for my relatives who paid only RM100+k for a house in the 90s for sect 14 and pj new town area even those big bungalow with big land also renew lease for 1k, good deal if ones objective is a nice home for family and next gen eye candy for you guys, a section 11 pj bungalow belonging to a top architect. renew lease 1k and keep it in the family. https://www.archdaily.com/313041/s11-house-archicentre |
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Mar 22 2018, 10:51 AM
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Mar 22 2018, 11:07 AM
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saw some sect 14 single storey, see the condition and size lol
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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Mar 21 2018, 11:31 PM) true, and LDP, Federal jam probably also because so many pj residents exit to their tamans, so they reach home earlier ignoring klang and shah alam dalam dalam...those in the jam for longer probably staying at further edges of klang valley, travel for longer time and higher mileage pj is the central part of klang valley. can easily tap into many townships like ttdi, bangsar, damansara heights, hartamas, mk, subang, sunway, kepong, selayang, sg buloh, all have their own attractions. with the highways, weekend trip to kl city, klang, cheras even genting highlands is actually not far from pj and all the top 5 malls in malaysia are a short drive from pj, including klcc & pavilion if going on sat/sun or via mrt/lrt almost anytime is good. the true center of klang valley is actually taman desa. old klang road or midvalley area. ther are reasons why midvalley is called midvalley. ( refer attachment) but of course... if u wanna go as deep as port klang. the PJ might b at the center This post has been edited by ahnien: Mar 22 2018, 11:20 AM Attached thumbnail(s) |
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QUOTE(ahnien @ Mar 22 2018, 10:51 AM) Yeah single storey intermediate maybe still can lah.. but even then the condition is too bad and you might need to fork out 100k to fix it up. Some younger generations don't have close to 80k-90k cash to fork out for legal & S&P fees to buy subsale 550k houses, especially for single earners... so sad to say... most choose to go for new dev (cope with the smaller space lor esp. with families) thanks for the reply @ahnien ! |
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QUOTE(bellefire @ Mar 22 2018, 11:20 AM) Yeah single storey intermediate maybe still can lah.. but even then the condition is too bad and you might need to fork out 100k to fix it up. if i got so much extra cash... its really a good choice to to buy those old landed and wack it down then reconstruct it the way i wan.Some younger generations don't have close to 80k-90k cash to fork out for legal & S&P fees to buy subsale 550k houses, especially for single earners... so sad to say... most choose to go for new dev (cope with the smaller space lor esp. with families) thanks for the reply @ahnien ! but have to put into consideration that if it happens that ur surrounding houses still looks 50yrs old.... a bit potong stim.... |
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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Mar 22 2018, 11:07 AM) saw some sect 14 single storey, see the condition and size lol if can afford to do complete wack down, reconstruct and reno... its a nice cozy place to stay.https://www.iproperty.com.my/sale/petaling-...maxPrice=600000 even if not doing massive reconstruct or reno, most of these houses need massive rewiring, and new water pippings... |
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Mar 22 2018, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(ahnien @ Mar 22 2018, 11:10 AM) ignoring klang and shah alam dalam dalam... cannot exclude klang from klang valley laaa bossthe true center of klang valley is actually taman desa. old klang road or midvalley area. ther are reasons why midvalley is called midvalley. ( refer attachment) but of course... if u wanna go as deep as port klang. the PJ might b at the center in my mind i insist pj is the centre of klang valley, syiok sendiri syndrome |
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Mar 22 2018, 12:03 PM
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like that also can argue????
just look at which area commanded highest psf price, that is the centre. no need to argue. most famous cities in the world built near seaport or seafront. only KUL stuck in the valley. |
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Mar 22 2018, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE(ahnien @ Mar 22 2018, 11:28 AM) if can afford to do complete wack down, reconstruct and reno... its a nice cozy place to stay. Why always tok about "complete wack down, reconstruct lah, massive reno lah, 2 storey lah, new this, new that"...?!?even if not doing massive reconstruct or reno, most of these houses need massive rewiring, and new water pippings... Do things step by step. Save money over time. Build yr own castle slowly and surely. Beautiful raintrees takes care and years to grow, like those in Singapore's boulevards. Renowned suburbs in great cities of d world gentrified from decades past. But I can't blame u lah. Maresia is an instant this, instant that society... |
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Mar 22 2018, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE(empatTan @ Mar 22 2018, 12:42 PM) Why always tok about "complete wack down, reconstruct lah, massive reno lah, 2 storey lah, new this, new that"...?!? More like face thing.Do things step by step. Save money over time. Build yr own castle slowly and surely. Beautiful raintrees takes care and years to grow, like those in Singapore's boulevards. Renowned suburbs in great cities of d world gentrified from decades past. But I can't blame u lah. Maresia is an instant this, instant that society... If u buy a 40/50 yrs hone...and do nothing.... How leh to organise haus warming? Peiseh leh.... Must install auto gate grill the entire place for start.... |
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dai kor... if u notice in 1 of the replies. i did mention, no knockdown or reno.... oso need renew lots of wiring works and piping lo.
i prolly had to assume u never stay in a 50yr old house b4. if u content on staying in a 50yr old house without any renewal works, by all means go get one. dun js talk so much which area so cheap la. which new high rise so expensive la. cheap yau say cheap... expensive yau say expensive. make up ur mind bruh... giving my point of view... u oso triggered... wat facey la... malaysia mentality tis and that. why so butt hurt la. This post has been edited by ahnien: Mar 22 2018, 04:25 PM |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 22 2018, 01:59 PM) More like face thing. fuhhh... u guys here got some serious inferiority complex problem izzit??If u buy a 40/50 yrs hone...and do nothing.... How leh to organise haus warming? Peiseh leh.... Must install auto gate grill the entire place for start.... how ppl reno or what gate they install oso eye pain ar? |
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Mar 22 2018, 05:06 PM
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Sigh... young ones... they just don't get it.
Btw, I'm not that old... Btw, yes, I don't stay in a 50 year old house. I stay in a 65 year old bungalow... |
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QUOTE(ahnien @ Mar 22 2018, 04:18 PM) dai kor... if u notice in 1 of the replies. i did mention, no knockdown or reno.... oso need renew lots of wiring works and piping lo. I grew up on rumah papan and zinc roof without flush toilet but never stayed in 50yrs old house before....guess i am damned lucky.i prolly had to assume u never stay in a 50yr old house b4. if u content on staying in a 50yr old house without any renewal works, by all means go get one. dun js talk so much which area so cheap la. which new high rise so expensive la. cheap yau say cheap... expensive yau say expensive. make up ur mind bruh... giving my point of view... u oso triggered... wat facey la... malaysia mentality tis and that. why so butt hurt la. Nobody said u need to find one 50yrs old original design virgin condition. Most old houses probably have been renovated few times jor by previous owner(s). We should encourage younger gen to start looking for good houses like this instead of complaining si beh far houses also expensive, jam lah to go to work and etc.. Ome more thing, old houses built quality probably way better than the current houses built by semi or no skill foreign workers. And guess what....whatever si beh far houses you bought will one day become 50yrs also. Who will you sell to then? You think yr children would want them? |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 22 2018, 05:59 PM) I grew up on rumah papan and zinc roof without flush toilet but never stayed in 50yrs old house before....guess i am damned lucky. +1Nobody said u need to find one 50yrs old original design virgin condition. Most old houses probably have been renovated few times jor by previous owner(s). We should encourage younger gen to start looking for good houses like this instead of complaining si beh far houses also expensive, jam lah to go to work and etc.. Ome more thing, old houses built quality probably way better than the current houses built by semi or no skill foreign workers. And guess what....whatever si beh far houses you bought will one day become 50yrs also. Who will you sell to then? You think yr children would want them? |
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good point about old house quality, hardly any or no cracks on the old houses
i believe last time construction labourers were chinese men? not picking on any race, but i think those guys were far more dedicated and very responsible compared to our indon bangla builders now. some new landed houses crack like whole thing want to pecah already |
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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ Mar 22 2018, 06:56 PM) good point about old house quality, hardly any or no cracks on the old houses Also the quantity of houses.i believe last time construction labourers were chinese men? not picking on any race, but i think those guys were far more dedicated and very responsible compared to our indon bangla builders now. some new landed houses crack like whole thing want to pecah already Now esch launch like 1000 units (eco grandeur) last time where got so many? 200 already big project jor. |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Mar 22 2018, 05:59 PM) I grew up on rumah papan and zinc roof without flush toilet but never stayed in 50yrs old house before....guess i am damned lucky. Agree! Exactly my long term plan. Find a old house in PJ and renovate. I've seen many houses here that are actually quite nice after refurbishment. Only barrier is this plan needs more cash.Nobody said u need to find one 50yrs old original design virgin condition. Most old houses probably have been renovated few times jor by previous owner(s). We should encourage younger gen to start looking for good houses like this instead of complaining si beh far houses also expensive, jam lah to go to work and etc.. Ome more thing, old houses built quality probably way better than the current houses built by semi or no skill foreign workers. And guess what....whatever si beh far houses you bought will one day become 50yrs also. Who will you sell to then? You think yr children would want them? |
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In general I think most will agree old landed in prime area in PJ, SJ are more valuable than brand new house in SBF like in semenyih or dengkil.
But I think cash is always the biggest concern putting aside personal preference of home requirement.. aside the attractive rebate, the amount of money required for refresh the house. I am sure if newly renovated house in PJ.. it will not be exactly that affordable.... |
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QUOTE(gks @ Mar 23 2018, 12:28 AM) In general I think most will agree old landed in prime area in PJ, SJ are more valuable than brand new house in SBF like in semenyih or dengkil. Yep, and by the time one is able to afford to buy an old house and renovate it, that person won't be young anymore. Pretty normal for younger people to focus on either renting or buying a cheaper house first, then upgrade as the years pass by (depending on one's finances, that is).But I think cash is always the biggest concern putting aside personal preference of home requirement.. aside the attractive rebate, the amount of money required for refresh the house. I am sure if newly renovated house in PJ.. it will not be exactly that affordable.... Ask the previous generation folks like my parents and they'll say the same thing like they rent a house first, then after a few years when they have enough money, buy a house. |
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QUOTE(empatTan @ Mar 22 2018, 05:06 PM) Sigh... young ones... they just don't get it. haha... actually alot of young ones get it... in the end its all about affordability... alot of youngsters have the loan capacity to own even a 800k house... but have no savings in their account at all... and not willing to wait for long to own one... hence why all the good subsales under-priced and deem not valuable... but its a good case scenario for investors like you though.... Btw, I'm not that old... Btw, yes, I don't stay in a 50 year old house. I stay in a 65 year old bungalow... |
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QUOTE(DesRed @ Mar 23 2018, 09:38 AM) Yep, and by the time one is able to afford to buy an old house and renovate it, that person won't be young anymore. Pretty normal for younger people to focus on either renting or buying a cheaper house first, then upgrade as the years pass by (depending on one's finances, that is). for my parents generation... my dad bought a house i think after 2 years he started work... but at ulu part of gombak as in 40 years ago.. and then keep on changing location when the family expand... i think i have lived in gombak then imbi then finally cheras... generally my dad mindset is own one as early as possible... the capital appreciation over the years definitely will changed your life... and not to mention rental income too... renting a house is not a wise investment for him during those days... u save some cash flow during that month or that year... but your wealth grow very slow actually...Ask the previous generation folks like my parents and they'll say the same thing like they rent a house first, then after a few years when they have enough money, buy a house. |
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 23 2018, 10:04 AM) for my parents generation... my dad bought a house i think after 2 years he started work... but at ulu part of gombak as in 40 years ago.. and then keep on changing location when the family expand... i think i have lived in gombak then imbi then finally cheras... generally my dad mindset is own one as early as possible... the capital appreciation over the years definitely will changed your life... and not to mention rental income too... renting a house is not a wise investment for him during those days... u save some cash flow during that month or that year... but your wealth grow very slow actually... Wow, that's quite fast. My parents were renting a semi-D in my hometown in Miri (Sarawak) for 5 years before moving the whole family to a 2-storey detached house. Been 30+ years ago and they're still living there up till this very day.Btw, the detached house were the type where the owner have to customise/build it himself in a taman where during those days, the developer just provided the land plot, infra, piping and the driveway into it. Looks like those days are over as developers are moving towards constructing houses with a set design and sell it. |
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QUOTE(DesRed @ Mar 23 2018, 03:11 PM) Wow, that's quite fast. My parents were renting a semi-D in my hometown in Miri (Sarawak) for 5 years before moving the whole family to a 2-storey detached house. Been 30+ years ago and they're still living there up till this very day. haha... my dad is an accountant... since coming to KL work alone... he has been super calculative.... Btw, the detached house were the type where the owner have to customise/build it himself in a taman where during those days, the developer just provided the land plot, infra, piping and the driveway into it. Looks like those days are over as developers are moving towards constructing houses with a set design and sell it. mindset also changed as well... at least for KV ppl... we always like ready made item... instead of the need to find a constructor to build your desire house... for developer to sell the hse with the land... its good business for them too... |
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QUOTE(DesRed @ Mar 23 2018, 03:11 PM) Wow, that's quite fast. My parents were renting a semi-D in my hometown in Miri (Sarawak) for 5 years before moving the whole family to a 2-storey detached house. Been 30+ years ago and they're still living there up till this very day. Macam australia and nzl loh....Btw, the detached house were the type where the owner have to customise/build it himself in a taman where during those days, the developer just provided the land plot, infra, piping and the driveway into it. Looks like those days are over as developers are moving towards constructing houses with a set design and sell it. They dun like houses all look same same in a street. |
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 23 2018, 09:58 AM) haha... actually alot of young ones get it... in the end its all about affordability... alot of youngsters have the loan capacity to own even a 800k house... but have no savings in their account at all... and not willing to wait for long to own one... hence why all the good subsales under-priced and deem not valuable... but its a good case scenario for investors like you though.... Money aside, it could be quite challenging for normal ppl like myself to evaluate the quality of workmanship, choosing material and etc, when it comes to major reno. Of course you could always hire professional to do it for you but again that comes back to money. I truly believe what you get is what you paid. |
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QUOTE(Bali ais @ Mar 24 2018, 10:37 AM) Money aside, it could be quite challenging for normal ppl like myself to evaluate the quality of workmanship, choosing material and etc, when it comes to major reno. Of course you could always hire professional to do it for you but again that comes back to money. I truly believe what you get is what you paid. yea... in the end still about money.... thats the headache part for youngsters nowadays... and your concern would be if u spent a professional to eveluate... and he deem the house nt stayable or not worthy... u have to use your time to hunt again... and hire him again to evaluate another house.... |
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Mar 24 2018, 10:51 AM) yea... in the end still about money.... thats the headache part for youngsters nowadays... and your concern would be if u spent a professional to eveluate... and he deem the house nt stayable or not worthy... u have to use your time to hunt again... and hire him again to evaluate another house.... Sound like how fengshui masters work? π€£ |
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Hello I would like to know if owning a 13A floor will impact the resell pricing? Please share you thought :-)
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Mar 29 2018, 07:30 PM
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Apr 4 2018, 09:19 AM
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How this compare to Ryan & miho. which one more good to invest ?
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Apr 4 2018, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE(squrce @ Apr 4 2018, 09:19 AM) R&M lower price point but bare unit,right next to mainroad and car park separated.Atwater slightly higher price point come with partial furnished, much lower density, not directly next to mainroad since it is separated by office/commercial. |
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QUOTE(powerkid88 @ Apr 4 2018, 05:38 PM) R&M lower price point but bare unit,right next to mainroad and car park separated. I see, look like Atwater slightly higher price but better in terms of density and quietnessAtwater slightly higher price point come with partial furnished, much lower density, not directly next to mainroad since it is separated by office/commercial. |
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Apr 4 2018, 10:29 PM
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Apr 4 2018, 10:41 PM
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Apr 5 2018, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE(powerkid88 @ Apr 5 2018, 02:00 PM) Very nice.....EXCEPT no mrt/lrt connection. Not walkable distance also. Must drive everywhere And Leasehold. If want lishold pj.....might as well get yrself a landed.... |
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Apr 5 2018, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Apr 5 2018, 02:58 PM) Very nice..... Got your points too. Only sheltered walkway to JayaOne. The rest need to drive. EXCEPT no mrt/lrt connection. Not walkable distance also. Must drive everywhere And Leasehold. If want lishold pj.....might as well get yrself a landed.... yes, this whole PJ13 is Leasehold. |
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That's why...ameera and 5stones in this part of PJ.. still the best out there..
But even the cheapest here... The 12xx sqft... Is looking at almost rm1m now. The next choice will be biji living... But need to live with wet market down there la. For ppl who like convenient of.chapfan, chicken rice, pork noodle next door. This post has been edited by gks: Apr 5 2018, 07:21 PM |
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QUOTE(gks @ Apr 5 2018, 07:19 PM) That's why...ameera and 5stones in this part of PJ.. still the best out there.. How is biji now ? i think VP end of this year or early next year.But even the cheapest here... The 12xx sqft... Is looking at almost rm1m now. The next choice will be biji living... But need to live with wet market down there la. For ppl who like convenient of.chapfan, chicken rice, pork noodle next door. Sold out like long ago, i think last time also near 900spf but FREEHOLD. |
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Apr 5 2018, 11:12 PM
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Apr 6 2018, 08:03 AM
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QUOTE(empatTan @ Apr 5 2018, 11:12 PM) LH/FH doesn't matter wan lah. Serious. When one need to explicitly differentiate between LH and FH like this, then it does matter, at least in Malaysia context...serious lol... |
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QUOTE(Vector88 @ Apr 6 2018, 08:03 AM) When one need to explicitly differentiate between LH and FH like this, then it does matter, at least in Malaysia context...serious Well, developers have to declare the land title status (FH/LH) on their projects, but its up to the buyers if they are concerned on this factor or not.lol... |
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QUOTE(DesRed @ Apr 6 2018, 08:24 AM) Well, developers have to declare the land title status (FH/LH) on their projects, but its up to the buyers if they are concerned on this factor or not. yes..i am not talking about developer..I am talking about general buyers...majority of the buyers today still put LH and FH in one of their considerations |
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QUOTE(Vector88 @ Apr 6 2018, 08:35 AM) yes..i am not talking about developer..I am talking about general buyers...majority of the buyers today still put LH and FH in one of their considerations i think most people who buy for own stay will have more consideration in this? i've seen like investors sapu units (LH) like buy sayur in pasar pagi, din seem to bother them much |
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QUOTE(Julteh @ May 4 2018, 11:15 AM) i think most people who buy for own stay will have more consideration in this? i've seen like investors sapu units (LH) like buy sayur in pasar pagi, din seem to bother them much Well, at the Ryan & Miho thread, it nearly degenerated into a LH/FH argument, but to conclude, we wouldn't know for sure until 4 or 5 decades later, only then can use one or two such LH condos as test cases on how to the authorities handle it.But by then, these condos wouldn't be worth maintaining due to the age (assuming that its still standing) and it sure will look terrible. And many things can happen during that time. There will be some who will still be around and some would have sold their units to upgrade to a better dwelling or go back to their hometown/country permanently (then the new buyers will have to face this case dy). Who knows, maybe a developer will come over to redevelop it, hence the issue may not arise at all. |
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QUOTE(DesRed @ May 4 2018, 03:22 PM) Well, at the Ryan & Miho thread, it nearly degenerated into a LH/FH argument, but to conclude, we wouldn't know for sure until 4 or 5 decades later, only then can use one or two such LH condos as test cases on how to the authorities handle it. True..i guess it still comes back to your own personal thoughts and perspective. Weighing whats the best But by then, these condos wouldn't be worth maintaining due to the age (assuming that its still standing) and it sure will look terrible. And many things can happen during that time. There will be some who will still be around and some would have sold their units to upgrade to a better dwelling or go back to their hometown/country permanently (then the new buyers will have to face this case dy). Who knows, maybe a developer will come over to redevelop it, hence the issue may not arise at all. |
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QUOTE(Afiq TT @ May 4 2018, 03:32 PM) I just read the latest news on how gov plan (only theoretically as of now) to 'facilitate' strata property renewals or redevelopments in Malaysia: thanks for this, very good news. it may also help old buildings in very good locations increase in value.https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1319320/jkp...oc-strata-sales |
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QUOTE(Afiq TT @ May 4 2018, 03:32 PM) I just read the latest news on how gov plan (only theoretically as of now) to 'facilitate' strata property renewals or redevelopments in Malaysia: This is helpful but only to some extend.https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1319320/jkp...oc-strata-sales Your lease is still going to expire one day....as compared to fh land and building. So the compensation by someone whk takes over the land is still wont be as much as fh land. |
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Hi, this will be my first house and i have no problem with lh and fh. About atwater i am very okay with the location,near ss2 seapark, uptown, one utama( driving distance)
But i not sure should i go for this property or not. Is this a bad buy? Any extra good thing beside of the location? Someone please brief me about this. Thanks, terima kasih This post has been edited by Lucybear: May 14 2018, 04:56 PM |
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QUOTE(Lucybear @ May 14 2018, 04:55 PM) Hi, this will be my first house and i have no problem with lh and fh. About atwater i am very okay with the location,near ss2 seapark, uptown, one utama( driving distance) why don't you share with us why you interested in this project by point form?But i not sure should i go for this property or not. Is this a bad buy? Any extra good thing beside of the location? Someone please brief me about this. Thanks, terima kasih is there any other project you equally interested as well beside this Atwater? LH and buy for own stay is a double edge sword. dulu kan...LH is always cheaper...but sekarang LH prices also as high as freehold already. lets say you buy LH for ownstay, after 30 years, your lease will left with 60+yrs. the value appreciation will not be as good as freehold. my personal opinions. Of course many LH lovers out here will disagree with me, possible including you. |
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Wats d nett psf now...?
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QUOTE(Samantha L @ May 15 2018, 11:40 AM) depends what units.....yes some units are facing opis block direct. the bigger and more expensive units are ok gua. also I didn't really study this project, I think the main entrance only one....meaning both opis and residents are using the same road to this project from main road. |
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I'm comparing between Centria PJ Midtown with Atwater.
These are what I found: Midtown- Full furnishing (for first 200 SnP, save money), VP next year (save interest), beautiful full length window bedroom, BUT psf is more expensive, some retail are not managed by developer, and only the 1-bedder is affordable (not flexible for invest/own-stay). Atwater- Lower density, less competition as family tower has more own-stayers, has tenant pools from office blocks and self-managed retail, but the 4-yr undercon interest and partial furnish. Any opinions from you guys? Especially for investment. But I heard some mentioning the psf pricing is a bit expensive for investment, in this part of PJ, esp without public transport. |
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QUOTE(netguy @ May 21 2018, 05:17 AM) I'm comparing between Centria PJ Midtown with Atwater. what's the centrias nett psf price? investment here is a bit tough. appreciation will be slow too.These are what I found: Midtown- Full furnishing (for first 200 SnP, save money), VP next year (save interest), beautiful full length window bedroom, BUT psf is more expensive, some retail are not managed by developer, and only the 1-bedder is affordable (not flexible for invest/own-stay). Atwater- Lower density, less competition as family tower has more own-stayers, has tenant pools from office blocks and self-managed retail, but the 4-yr undercon interest and partial furnish. Any opinions from you guys? Especially for investment. But I heard some mentioning the psf pricing is a bit expensive for investment, in this part of PJ, esp without public transport. |
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QUOTE(netguy @ May 21 2018, 07:17 PM) I'm comparing between Centria PJ Midtown with Atwater. It depends on what kind of target tenant you are looking into. If you like those walking distance LRT, you may consider Bangsar South.These are what I found: Midtown- Full furnishing (for first 200 SnP, save money), VP next year (save interest), beautiful full length window bedroom, BUT psf is more expensive, some retail are not managed by developer, and only the 1-bedder is affordable (not flexible for invest/own-stay). Atwater- Lower density, less competition as family tower has more own-stayers, has tenant pools from office blocks and self-managed retail, but the 4-yr undercon interest and partial furnish. Any opinions from you guys? Especially for investment. But I heard some mentioning the psf pricing is a bit expensive for investment, in this part of PJ, esp without public transport. |
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QUOTE(Babizz @ May 21 2018, 09:01 PM) From the sales kit pricing (real price only known on the launching date), I was quoted cheapest RM512,479 nett price for 613sf. That's around 836psf.Why do you say the appreciation will be slow though, just curious? |
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QUOTE(powerkid88 @ May 21 2018, 11:42 PM) It depends on what kind of target tenant you are looking into. If you like those walking distance LRT, you may consider Bangsar South. Yea, I'm guessing this place would attract more of PJ workers, and students (multiple students per house). Bangsar South, oh well, if only that's an option. The downpayment for Southlink is just crazy. The dual-key Southlink unit, is sorta like a dream investment unit, haha. |
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QUOTE(DesRed @ May 4 2018, 03:22 PM) Well, at the Ryan & Miho thread, it nearly degenerated into a LH/FH argument, but to conclude, we wouldn't know for sure until 4 or 5 decades later, only then can use one or two such LH condos as test cases on how to the authorities handle it. One should take cues from Singapore real estate whereby many leasehold / freehold condos were demolished before the lease expired. The owners of freehold strata title condo will get equal share for the sale of land, while leasehold will get very little compared. But also take note Singapore don't need 100% consensus like Malaysia to sell off the land their condo sitting on. However, if KL becomes very dense like Singapore one day, government policies could change.But by then, these condos wouldn't be worth maintaining due to the age (assuming that its still standing) and it sure will look terrible. And many things can happen during that time. There will be some who will still be around and some would have sold their units to upgrade to a better dwelling or go back to their hometown/country permanently (then the new buyers will have to face this case dy). Who knows, maybe a developer will come over to redevelop it, hence the issue may not arise at all. |
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QUOTE(netguy @ May 21 2018, 11:51 PM) Yea, I'm guessing this place would attract more of PJ workers, and students (multiple students per house). Yes PJ is aiming different market. Lesser competitor since the bigger units (familar tower) mostly are selfstay, lots of elderly downgrade to service apartment from the Semi D / landed nowadays.Bangsar South, oh well, if only that's an option. The downpayment for Southlink is just crazy. The dual-key Southlink unit, is sorta like a dream investment unit, haha. For Bangsar South, recently i did research about it. Yes 4% of Downpayment . The Dual Key start from 618k, yes it is definitely nice especially the glass wall for bathroom, like Hotel~ kinda exortics. |
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QUOTE(value_investor @ May 22 2018, 04:03 AM) One should take cues from Singapore real estate whereby many leasehold / freehold condos were demolished before the lease expired. The owners of freehold strata title condo will get equal share for the sale of land, while leasehold will get very little compared. But also take note Singapore don't need 100% consensus like Malaysia to sell off the land their condo sitting on. However, if KL becomes very dense like Singapore one day, government policies could change. malaysia will most likely get rid of the 100% consensus because only in theory it is ideal, but in reality it is not practical |
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QUOTE(A.B.D. @ May 22 2018, 09:46 AM) malaysia will most likely get rid of the 100% consensus because only in theory it is ideal, but in reality it is not practical I agree but wouldn't be surprised when they go towards this direction. There will be investors among the owners and those who refuse to budge. The last I recall in Singapore, it was about 80% consensus that is needed for any high-rise to be redeveloped. One the majority get their way, then the balance 20% who refused will be compensated based on the market value of their unit.Then again, it also applies to pretty much almost all aspects such as voting, polls, surveys, etc. Impossible to get 100% participation for these. |
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QUOTE(powerkid88 @ May 22 2018, 07:22 AM) Yes PJ is aiming different market. Lesser competitor since the bigger units (familar tower) mostly are selfstay, lots of elderly downgrade to service apartment from the Semi D / landed nowadays. Haha, yea exactly! Was honestly quite surprised at the glass-walled bathroom of the studio side of the dual-key unit For Bangsar South, recently i did research about it. Yes 4% of Downpayment . The Dual Key start from 618k, yes it is definitely nice especially the glass wall for bathroom, like Hotel~ kinda exortics. |
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how much psf for this project? receivced a msg recently that saying ss2 mall there got another new development coming up, its freehold 860 psf, smallest size 950sf. Compare to this two project which one is the better buy? any sifu can give comment?
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QUOTE(johncena121 @ May 27 2018, 03:10 AM) how much psf for this project? receivced a msg recently that saying ss2 mall there got another new development coming up, its freehold 860 psf, smallest size 950sf. Compare to this two project which one is the better buy? any sifu can give comment? sounds decent if it's a good developer. anytime btr than the soxo habz charging 1k++psf. ss2 rental so far btr than sec14 I believe. |
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QUOTE(johncena121 @ May 27 2018, 05:10 PM) how much psf for this project? receivced a msg recently that saying ss2 mall there got another new development coming up, its freehold 860 psf, smallest size 950sf. Compare to this two project which one is the better buy? any sifu can give comment? 860psf is net net price?I thought its almost 1000psf |
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May 27 2018, 09:27 PM
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QUOTE(johncena121 @ May 27 2018, 05:10 PM) how much psf for this project? receivced a msg recently that saying ss2 mall there got another new development coming up, its freehold 860 psf, smallest size 950sf. Compare to this two project which one is the better buy? any sifu can give comment? what project is that ? is that Ivory ? |
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May 28 2018, 02:46 PM
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The agent told me about 860psf for nett price. But smallest size alrdy 900++sf, so is it the price too high for this area?. Just wondering which one will be better buy for investment purpose. For ss2 mall tat one is commercial title if im not mistaken
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QUOTE(johncena121 @ May 28 2018, 02:46 PM) The agent told me about 860psf for nett price. But smallest size alrdy 900++sf, so is it the price too high for this area?. Just wondering which one will be better buy for investment purpose. For ss2 mall tat one is commercial title if im not mistaken both are commercial titles.Atwater has two offerings - one for resi purposes under sch H. one for office (non schedule) ivory only has for office (non schedule). |
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May 28 2018, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(johncena121 @ May 28 2018, 03:30 PM) there are still many innocent people buying properties.ok...not office per se....but its for commercial usage, like use as office or suites macam hotels. You can live in hotel suites also. BUT definitely not for residential purposes. |
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May 28 2018, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ May 28 2018, 04:11 PM) there are still many innocent people buying properties. for investment purpose is it a better choice to buy residential property than commercial?ok...not office per se....but its for commercial usage, like use as office or suites macam hotels. You can live in hotel suites also. BUT definitely not for residential purposes. |
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Jun 11 2018, 04:02 AM
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Thinking of buying the 680sqft one for investment. Right now 5K for booking and the showroom looks great. In 4 years, might have some appreciation right? Cross fingers!
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meanwhile myself also thinking to book a 853sf unit. own stay. like the location, and low density
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Jun 12 2018, 12:35 AM
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Just booked the 1,052sf unit. 3 carparks. Looks promising especially if its from Paramount.
Now they are having Raya promo 9% + 1% discount. So just pay booking fee of RM5000 only. SNP, Legal all pau. |
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Jun 16 2018, 02:46 PM
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Hi guys n sifus, new here
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Honestly speaking, Atwater is definitely not worth buying.
It is RM800psf-RM900psf with RM0.40 maintenance fee While the location is "kinda" prime, the surrounding area is not appealing to say the least. The worst part is, you are paying a high premium for a LEASEHOLD property. I honestly was shocked to know that the price was for a leasehold project cause that price seems about right for a freehold "premium" project. Honestly speaking, I would just go for the heart of KL with that price if it is leasehold. |
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Honestly speaking, Atwater is definitely not worth buying.
It is RM800psf-RM900psf with RM0.40 maintenance fee While the location is "kinda" prime, the surrounding area is not appealing to say the least. The worst part is, you are paying a high premium for a LEASEHOLD property. I honestly was shocked to know that the price was for a leasehold project cause that price seems about right for a freehold "premium" project. Honestly speaking, I would just go for the heart of KL with that price if it is leasehold. |
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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jul 17 2018, 12:45 AM) Honestly speaking, Atwater is definitely not worth buying. Peejay prices all like that already.It is RM800psf-RM900psf with RM0.40 maintenance fee While the location is "kinda" prime, the surrounding area is not appealing to say the least. The worst part is, you are paying a high premium for a LEASEHOLD property. I honestly was shocked to know that the price was for a leasehold project cause that price seems about right for a freehold "premium" project. Honestly speaking, I would just go for the heart of KL with that price if it is leasehold. Not everybody wants to live in kul de. Beside for new freehold projects, mind sharing which projects selling abt 1000psf brand new? |
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Jul 17 2018, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Jul 17 2018, 12:45 AM) Honestly speaking, Atwater is definitely not worth buying. I'm a property newbie, so pardon me ya, but I've been in the market for a property for a few months now, both subsale and new. Atwater is by no means perfect, but after doing my homework I still feel its a good buy.It is RM800psf-RM900psf with RM0.40 maintenance fee While the location is "kinda" prime, the surrounding area is not appealing to say the least. The worst part is, you are paying a high premium for a LEASEHOLD property. I honestly was shocked to know that the price was for a leasehold project cause that price seems about right for a freehold "premium" project. Honestly speaking, I would just go for the heart of KL with that price if it is leasehold. - Yes as u mentioned the price is hovering above RM800psf, but looking at PJ area, it is this kind of price liao, it's not a steal, but its not overpriced as well. It is in line with the location market pricing. Moreover entering this period where property market is soft and only slowly beginning to pick up, there is room for growth. KL definitely will be above this pricing for an apple to apple comparison new prop. - The maintenance fee is a projected one in 3-4 years time, so I think its realistic lah haha with the facilities you are getting. I feel if they put at like RM0.28 quite false impression also, and not sustainable. Have to consider it's low dense as well at 493 units not a 1000+ unit condo, so i think this is completely understandable & acceptable at RM0.40 in 3-4 years time to make sure place & facilities are well maintained. - Big factor for me was the location, it was central to everything and right in the center of my work, family and lifestyle. Easy and multiple access points as well. I believe this location in the heart of PJ will not fail lah, PJ property price given time has only went up one. - A lot of ppl stay in PJ dy die die also want to be in PJ one, and PJ demographics is quite affluent, as older generation down size to more manageable space and want the security and lifestyle of condo or the younger people wanting to be closer to home and family, this location at the middle of it all should jadi and got demand one i feel. - Section 13 is all leasehold, its not ideal, but want to stay here have to accept loh, if LH this price all things equal FH sure more expensive. LH also doesn't bother me that much, with 99 years left currently, maybe 95-96 after VP, I think i'll upgrade and exit way before this even becomes a problem. - I agree that currently the surroundings is nothing to shout about, but MBPJ has committed to urban renewal plan for Section 13 already because they realize it's strategic positioning & location, they want to turn it to a self sustaining, green, walkable residential and commercial hub, so just give it a bit of time, there is hope! The link bridges that they will built to connect to Jaya One is part of MBPJ's renewal requirement, gonna make it super convenient and safe also just to get around. - I still feel this is a premium project with quality, well thought out offerings & plans, prime location, mature township and surrounding towns, considerably low dense, good master plan and trusted developer, I like the practical layout as well and the interior fixings are nice, also the fact that I'm getting the family tower, only 183 units there, 8 units per floor serviced by 4 lifts, and corner unit, feels quite exclusive and nice for own stay. Again, I'm just a property noob and this is just my 2 cents after doing my own findings and research, all pros here feel free to share different opinions Owh and btw, according to my SA, banker and also lawyer, Atwater units are already 80-85% snapped up, seeing that ADPL was obtained only in March, and with current property market sentiments, I'd say it is doing pretty well and should be fully sold out soon This post has been edited by JLJQ: Jul 17 2018, 01:21 PM |
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QUOTE(JLJQ @ Jul 17 2018, 08:43 AM) Owh and btw, according to my SA, banker and also lawyer, Atwater units are already 80-85% snapped up, seeing that ADPL was obtained only in March, and with current property market sentiments, I'd say it is doing pretty well and should be fully sold out soon do you seriously believe the story of 80-85% 'snapped up'? what happens to bumi quote? sapued juga? when people said 'snapped up' it means snapped up within days or weeks from soft launching date. This one already launched for over one year already, still can say snap up? Biji@sec17 is freehold. Sec13 no lrt or mrt, not walkable. Talk about what revitalise sec13, not even LRT or MRT pass there, and the talk about revitalised already more than 10 years already. |
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QUOTE(JLJQ @ Jul 17 2018, 08:43 AM) I'm a property newbie, so pardon me ya, but I've been in the market for a property for a few months now, both subsale and new. Atwater is by no means perfect, but after doing my homework I still feel its a good buy. U hv made d right decision.- Yes as u mentioned the price is hovering above RM800psf, but looking at PJ area, it is this kind of price liao, it's not a steal, but its not overpriced as well. It is in line with the location market pricing. Moreover entering this period where property market is soft and only slowly beginning to pick up, there is room for growth. KL definitely will be above this pricing for an apple to apple comparison new prop. - The maintenance fee is a projected one in 3-4 years time, so I think its realistic lah haha with the facilities you are getting. I feel if they put at like RM0.28 quite false impression also, and not sustainable. Have to consider it's low dense as well at 493 units not a 1000+ unit condo, so i think this is completely understandable & acceptable at RM0.40 in 3-4 years time to make sure place & facilities are well maintained. - Big factor for me was the location, it was central to everything and right in the center of my work, family and lifestyle. Easy and multiple access points as well. I believe this location in the heart of PJ will not fail lah, PJ property price given time has only went up one. - A lot of ppl stay in PJ dy die die also want to be in PJ one, and PJ demographics is quite affluent, as older generation down size to more manageable space and want the security and lifestyle of condo or the younger people wanting to be closer to home and family, this location at the middle of it all should jadi and got demand one i feel. - Section 13 is all leasehold, its not ideal, but want to stay here have to accept loh, if LH this price all things equal FH sure more expensive. LH also doesn't bother me that much, with 99 years left currently, maybe 95-96 after VP, I think i'll upgrade and exit way before this even becomes a problem. - I agree that currently the surroundings is nothing to shout about, but MBPJ has committed to urban renewal plan for Section 13 already because they realize it's strategic positioning & location, they want to turn it to a self sustaining, green, walkable residential and commercial hub, so just give it a bit of time, there is hope! The link bridges that they will built to connect to Jaya One is part of MBPJ's renewal requirement, gonna make it super convenient and safe also just to get around. - I still feel this is a premium project with quality, well thought out offerings & plans, prime location, mature township and surrounding towns, considerably low dense, good master plan and trusted developer, I like the practical layout as well and the interior fixings are nice, also the fact that I'm getting the family tower, only 183 units there, 8 units per floor serviced by 4 lifts, and corner unit, feels quite exclusive and nice for own stay. Again, I'm just a property noob and this is just my 2 cents after doing my own findings and research, all pros here feel free to share different opinions Owh and btw, according to my SA, banker and also lawyer, Atwater units are already 80-85% snapped up, seeing that ADPL was obtained only in March, and with current property market sentiments, I'd say it is doing pretty well and should be fully sold out soon |
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jul 17 2018, 01:40 PM) do you seriously believe the story of 80-85% 'snapped up'? Maybe my choice of words wasn't the best, apologies for that, yes it's not 'snapped up' like this happen within days or weeks from soft launch, definitely took awhile for them to be 'sold' instead, but just sharing that since ADPL in March this is where it stands as of now la. Especially given the slow market conditions of the past year, not bad already lo.what happens to bumi quote? sapued juga? when people said 'snapped up' it means snapped up within days or weeks from soft launching date. This one already launched for over one year already, still can say snap up? Biji@sec17 is freehold. Sec13 no lrt or mrt, not walkable. Talk about what revitalise sec13, not even LRT or MRT pass there, and the talk about revitalised already more than 10 years already. Agreed one of the downfall is it's not walking distance to LRT or MRT, would like that myself too tbh. But it's still all within the near vicinity, 1.6km to LRT, 1.7km to MRT and has feeder bus to connect, not ideal, but it's still something. I'm not MBPJ lah, and not aware that such a plan existed 10 years ago, I just read Propcafe's review of Section 13 area and other articles haha, but lets hope it will materialize from here on, don't see y not eventually cuz of its location. This post has been edited by JLJQ: Jul 19 2018, 08:11 AM |
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Any whatsapp group can join for those buyer who has signed snp d?
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jul 17 2018, 01:40 PM) do you seriously believe the story of 80-85% 'snapped up'? meaning Biji Living will be a better buy than Atwater? any unit still available for Biji? the Biji thread last post is 2017 last year (non active)what happens to bumi quote? sapued juga? when people said 'snapped up' it means snapped up within days or weeks from soft launching date. This one already launched for over one year already, still can say snap up? Biji@sec17 is freehold. Sec13 no lrt or mrt, not walkable. Talk about what revitalise sec13, not even LRT or MRT pass there, and the talk about revitalised already more than 10 years already. |
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QUOTE(royalz @ Jul 27 2018, 08:26 AM) meaning Biji Living will be a better buy than Atwater? any unit still available for Biji? the Biji thread last post is 2017 last year (non active) Biji sold quite well, without much publicity, macam Megan Rise.surprisingly for Biji, most bigger units sold out before the smallest units, indicating most buyers are buying for ownstay. not all threads frequented by forumers. |
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Biji sold off liaw if not mistaken
Nowadays own stay layout unit selling much better |
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Not forgetting... Biji Living is located in a very matured residential neighborhood.
Like old saying, old is gold. |
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QUOTE(brianlee4ever @ Jul 27 2018, 01:18 PM) Not forgetting... Biji Living is located in a very matured residential neighborhood. Ya makan also senang. Ground floor onlyππππ. Not sure got pasar pagi or not. Really convenience. Like old saying, old is gold. Cha sat Chicken rice also nice Attached thumbnail(s) |
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No doubt biji location is great n all but having a wet pasar directly below is a bit of a turn off for me personally lah. Might make it feel very 'chap' because of the smell, hygiene, traffic/amount of people.
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Jul 28 2018, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE(JLJQ @ Jul 28 2018, 09:12 AM) No doubt biji location is great n all but having a wet pasar directly below is a bit of a turn off for me personally lah. Might make it feel very 'chap' because of the smell, hygiene, traffic/amount of people. Exaxtly. Open air non aircond, the smell will compounded.Wonder why developer didnt provide an aircond enclosed area for them. Knowing malaysians there will be triple parking everyday at road side. But super good lah if you have old folks staying with u and have own cooked meals every day..... But freehold and location are good, except not walkable to mrt or lrt station. This post has been edited by BEANCOUNTER: Jul 28 2018, 09:54 AM |
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