Hi guys,

I got quoted recently (Jan 2016) for electrical installation jobs for my new house. All wirings are concealed. Are these prices reasonable (per unit)?

Power Points
- Lay new 13A power point with 2.5mm x 2 + Earth PVC cable c/w PVC piping concealed : RM105
- Extend 13A power point from existing points : RM60
- Lay air-cond/heater/oven/hob/hood point with 2.5mm x 2 + E PVC cable c/w 20A neon switch & PVC piping : RM285

Lighting Points, Etc.
- Lay new lighting/led/T5/T8 point with 1.5mm x 2 + Earth PVC cable c/w PVC piping concealed : RM55
- Lay new ceiling fan point with 1.5mm x 2 +Earth PVC cable c/w fan hook & PVC piping : RM68
- Lay new telephone point : RM180
- Lay new TV antenna point with 5C2V cable : RM180
- Lay new Astro point with RG6 cable : RM285
- Lay new Ethernet point with CAT5E cable : RM285
- Lay new fibre optic point from outside house (e.g. for Unifi) : RM500

Installations
- Install downlight/halogen/T5/T8 : RM20
- Install ceiling fan : RM45

Thanks a lot!!

This post has been edited by kelvintt: Feb 15 2016, 12:02 AM

find others to quote again to compare

normal lighting installation cost rm10 and fan rm20-rm30
power point from db urs is ok.

Definitely abit overpriced

Btw, cables are Megacable.

haha.. you seem like expert..

if only 8 nos. 13A socket total maybe 15 lights in the whole house..

you can do?

Bit of advice if doing new living room ask your wireman pull extra conduits from the main TV, central stereo to ceiling/wall satellite speakers..

Place the unifi main equipment in a store room or under the staircase with a cat5e cable to the wireless AP run cat5e from network switch to the main tv/central stereo console and anywhere else you might need it with a 13A socket nearby..

Place a 13A socket high level outside in case you need it..

My advice. Dont be too calculative. U willing to spend huge money on renovation. eletric the most important part. Anything wrong with wiring ur house will burn down cause of short circuir. Get licence contractor. Their price higher than normal indon or bangla guy or unregistered contractor. But u know u r safe . Because to certify test for new installation u need to run 3 test. Insulation test. Continuity test and earth resistence test.
Pricing are difference for everyhouse. We calculate the wire run from db box to point. 1 poinr from db to kitchen took 5 ' from ceiling to db 40' up ceiling and 10 ' down to plug point. Its took 50' wire lenght x 3 (life neutral n earth wire) 150' same 50m. 1 megacable cost u RM80 for 100m. 50m cost u RM40 not include cost of hacking plastering piping and labour cosr finally socket with difference brand like clipsal mk pdl and some cheap brand. So my advice pay the contractor the right price with their effoct and their experience and qualification.tq

The house plan has 45 lighting points, 25 13A points, 8 aircond/heater/hoob/hod points, etc. House is 2-storey, 24x70. Total quote is ~RM13k.

Thanks for your advices. My initial plan is to put the Unifi equipments on TV console in living room, then connect cat5e to upstairs family area, in case the wifi is weak at 2nd floor. But somehow, I feel those equipments will spoil the TV console view if put there.

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This post has been edited by kelvintt: Feb 22 2016, 08:20 PM

I'm not calculative but just afraid of being chop with high price since I don't know what's the market price. Thanks for your advice & sharing on megacable cost.

I somehow don't understand why the air-cond/heater point with 2.5mm cables (same as 13A points) is so expensive (RM285 vs RM105) while the difference is the extra 20A neon switch. Issit because it is 1-to-1 to the DB switch while 13A point can a few points share one DB switch?

U definitely seems being chopped to me

This is only one persons unqualified opinion based on cost..

Please base your decision on our electrical code of installation as there are many electrical accidents due to substandard cable sizing and wiring installation.. Electrical system is invisible and travels via electrical conductor and can kill you and burn down your home..

rm45/100m coil for 1.5mm2 (allowed current carrying capacity 14.5A), rm55/100m coil for 2.5mm2 (allowed current carrying capacity 19.5A), rm110 for 4mm2 and so on..

3 runs of cables to complete a circuit i.e. Live(L), Neutral(N) and protective earth(E) with a mcb for thermal overload to protect the circuit.

You can link as many light points to one circuit within its allowable rating for 1.5mm2 or as many as 2 nos 13A sockets for 2.5mm2.

If you are doing residential wiring you must run 4mm2 pvc cable for water heater or air conditioner with a double pole switch. In addition there should be an individual RCD for water heaters..

The reason you pay more is for a competent wireman to supply and install according to our Malaysian guidelines for electrical wiring in buildings. Its for your safety and the safety of your loved ones.

and yes.. you can employ any bangla or indon worker to pull your wiring.. its just not as safe..

This post has been edited by Richard: Feb 22 2016, 10:37 PM

Should I expect every air-cond/heater/oven/hob/hood point to have their individual RCD? Or how many can be shared?

The contractor said 2.5mm cables are sufficient for air-cond/heater/oven/hob/hood points. My largest air-cond is 2hp. Issit true?

Ask your wireman to follow the guideline..

GUIDELINES FOR ELECTRICAL WIRING IN RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.. from Suruhanjaya Tenaga Malaysia..

Just goggle it unless you have specific question i am also competent wireman since 2002..

Only water heater require individual RCD.. It trips automatically if there is a current leak.. Remember recent news those Japanese died in the bathroom? Thats' why..

2HP aircon starting and running amps.. 2.5mm2 is adequate but it must be single circuit to one aircon.. no sharing..
Strictly if follow code Suruhanjaya Tenaga (ST) requires 4mm2 but no enforcement.. so 2.5mm2 is ok..

that copper can actually carry 22-36Amps just careful a lot of China fake copper cables in the market.. easy to spot the weight difference if you are looking for it.. get a competent wireman/contractor..

get 3 quotations from others if your wireman looks more like a car/insurance salesman,,

This post has been edited by Richard: Feb 23 2016, 01:21 AM

If u really want to follow the regulation 100% than u have to spent more. Normally we follow basic safety requirement. For aircond individual line from db to point no sharing. 2.5mm max for 2hp still okay. Above 2hp to 3hp require 4mm amd so on......for power socket normal loop 2 to 3 just normal use...tv hifi dvd stand fan...small load. For kitchen 2.5mm for normal freezer rice cooker kettle but not exceedind 13A in total for long period. Oven 4mm required. Water heater prefer 4mm and extra ELCB earth leakage circuit breaker .double storey house prefer 2 db for isolating purposes and control and save on wiring cost. Earthing also important in installation and need to do properly n test.

If u really want to follow the regulation 100% than u have to spent more. Normally we follow basic safety requirement. For aircond individual line from db to point no sharing. 2.5mm max for 2hp still okay. Above 2hp to 3hp require 4mm amd so on......for power socket normal loop 2 to 3 just normal use...tv hifi dvd stand fan...small load. For kitchen 2.5mm for normal freezer rice cooker kettle but not exceedind 13A in total for long period. Oven 4mm required. Water heater prefer 4mm and extra ELCB earth leakage circuit breaker .double storey house prefer 2 db for isolating purposes and control and save on wiring cost. Earthing also important in installation and need to do properly n test.

my quotation from chinese guy

Thats fair price. Doesnt mean cheaper have to be from indo or unqualified wire man or china cable or without proper testing.
Dont be fooled to pay more for the same thing

Im licence eletrical contractor. Normally i charged cliemt base on total material cost plus labour cost plus transport charges and get some reasonable profit.not necesarry base on points. Because im the boss and im the worker too. As long as i got job got salary for my staff and retain some profit for tax. That emough for me. So i agreed. It s depend to individual. Regardless of u r chiness malay or indian. U cant say others not good. Itd win win situation. U sabe budget we got business.

if u are hardworking, u can install the fan yourself and water heater..

this 2 is very easy only..

I plan to install ceiling fans myself. My toilets all have wall tiles, not sure I'll break the tiles or not if install myself.

For wall tiles you need those drill bit that is for tiles and it won't break it. Than again is quite tricky. Is advisable to drill in between tiles to lesser the chance of breaking it

drill slowly. wont break... put a bit water when drilling

Thanks! I'll try carefully.

My quick comparison:
- Lighting point: Mine RM55, Urs RM60
- Fan point: Mine RM68, Urs RM70
- 13A point: Mine RM105, Urs RM90
- Heater/oven point: Mine RM285, Urs RM220
- Phone point: Mine RM180, Urs RM100
- Install light/fan/heater: Mine RM20/45/80, Urs RM10/20/60

Prices are about similar for #1 to #3. I guess it's give & take. If not calculative, should be reasonable.

For heater/oven point, does yours come with a switch (those with small red LED)? If no, then maybe this is why yours cheaper by RM50.

Somehow I feel my phone point price is expensive, by 80%!

Your installation charges are cheaper. Anyway, I think I still can accept mine assuming the contractor keep to his promise of giving his quality finishing/work. From what I surveyed, RM80 for heater is kind of reasonable (with PVC case only, no conceal).

Now left the below items. I feel the prices are kind of high. Eg. Astro & Ethernet same price as heater point, RM285. I don't know if it's because of the cable that is expensive vs electric cable or I only install 1 or 2 points for each of them. Maybe electric sifus here can help to enlighten me.

- Lay new telephone point : RM180
- Lay new TV antenna point with 5C2V cable : RM180
- Lay new Astro point with RG6 cable : RM285
- Lay new Ethernet point with CAT5E cable : RM285
- Lay new fibre optic point from outside house (e.g. for Unifi) : RM500

Tumpang a bit. If looping considered one point or seperate? Example 4 down lights with one switch, is that one point or 4 points? My wireman says 4, and he charges RM60 per point.

This post has been edited by spikey2506: Mar 2 2016, 02:11 AM

Looping is consider separate. If 1 switch for 4 lights is consider 1

Dang. He told me that would mean 4 points. Need to get another wireman

My contractor also charged by the number of lighting points. If 4 points, then counted as 4 points although they are controlled by 1 switch.

I tried out ServisHero last week and the reponse was quite good. managed to get my wiring done within a few days. Just sharing here so others can try if interested

http://servishero.com/blog/sure-signs-that...contractor-now/

where ur location?
my electrician quote me as below
looping socket RM60 (will free some...can nego)
Lighting point RM45 (includes installation)
Fan point RM55 (includes installation)
Aircon/Heater/Hood RM180

FYI

looping is half of the price, and the price can still be nego as well he told me but in real dunno yet.

Mine is at JB. Your prices include conceal? Did he mentioned what cable brand he uses?

yes conceal.
Wire brand not sure. But not thin thin type.
Location penang

my 2 cents, drill at the joining points of four or two tiles and you will not have the problem of crack.

Maybe some electrical contractors in this forum can reply to this:

1. I would understand that if you lay one lighting point direct from DB to switch to light and you charge say RM80 for that 1 point then it is fine. For a short looping, say a downlight of 4ft away, why still they want to charge RM80 for this point?

2. Likewise for powerpoint. I see some had a quotation of RM105 per point direct from db. If it is looping next to each other, still RM105? Cost for just this very short looping with switches, wire and labour will not be more than RM15 and yet they charge the same ie RM105.

Dont you think that this is cut throat charging? Or they charge it this way to make the calculation simple?

It's more the cost of mobilization cost, the cost from getting the manpower, materials and tools from the shop to your house and back.. there's also the parking fee, waiting fee and idling time who pays for all of this??

Someone has to pay for it.. if it is a small job than maybe they won't take it because the unit price becomes too expensive and some owners calculate until the 5 cents so it is a loss to take this type jobs.. better don't do..

Hi guys, I'm based in KL, I was wondering any of you has got good electrician to be recommended. As it involves hacking of wall, recommendation by existing people is better than I try my luck with electrician recommended by those lighting shops.

Hi guys,

Wanna ask, for 1 row of ceiling cove lights with 5 light tubes, does it counted as 1 light points or 5 light points?

By right it should be counter as 1 as it is 1 live wire to 1 switch to 1 light tubes.. Then they loop with short wire to the rest of the 4 tubes. But as you know, some electrician will charge as 5 lights points and some will charge 1 lights points plus some kopi tips for the short looping and installation and testing of the 4 remainder tubes.

Installation - Light RM15, Fan RM30, fair price?

can anybody recommend good electrician for wall power point extension with conceal wiring , location in Taman Desa
Thanks

Can somebody advise on the quotation? fair or not? Thanks!!!

Note: downlight will be installed on concrete wall (no plaster ceiling)

https://imgur.com/a/e5H7G

anybody can recommend a good electrician in sepang?

pls recommend quality electrician in KL area

Hi, I received this quotation for my apartment renovation. Reasonable or not?

All concealed wiring works

Add light & ceiling fan point - RM85/nos
Add plug - RM100/nos
Relocate plug - RM50/nos
Ceiling fan hook - RM50/nos
Water heater, oven, microwave cw 20A switch - RM250/nos
Hood point - RM150

Air cond copper and water piping interior concealed - RM600/unit
Washing machine inlet and outlet piping - RM500

650sqft flat board plaster ceiling + 15ft pelment - RM3000

This post has been edited by syana99: Oct 23 2017, 08:09 AM

relocate plug include cement patch?

Yes, include cement patch.

can intro?

can intro?

want to replace my old db box to 48 ways.......any recommandation thk

HEllo guys, just wondering if i have 12 pendant lights, 1 existing switch open 6 lights.
6 lights each row and connect to each other no conceal and just using pvc pipe.

Normally how the Electrician charge for each light?

2 switches, one switch open 6 lights, connect to each other.


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Your contact pls
Or call me 0177673595

what do you think of this electrical reno work quotation? include hacking and paste back. Anything that I need to clarify further so that no hidden "cost"?

Hi guys, I want change and replace 2 ceiling lights with another design. Appreciate if anyone can recommend good handyman who don't mind small jobs.

Area around Jalan Sentul Indah. Thanks.

usually minimum is rm100 just for the trip for most services. if you don't mind. even 2 ceiling lights they are more than happy to earn some quick bucks. 10 minutes work probably cost you rm35 per light minimum.

or try kaotim.

hi can you pm me your wire man? need it to make some compare

hi can you pm me your wire man? need it to make some compare

i was just quoted RM320 for 1 fan for detail works below:
1) install fan hook
2) Hack + plaster wall to conceal new wires on wall and ceiling in PVC
3) new fan switch and point
4) Install fan

is this overpriced and if yes by how much?

Misquote still have to do the job or can add cost?

or you can say some if not most contractors are greedy & dishonest.

hi all, i want to know if my water heater is using 20A socket. how to check?

is the wiring use for lighting is the same with the water heater or water heater need thicker wires ? ?

just take a picture of the plug/switch.

water heater will require at least 2.5mm2 wire. even more if high powered like those with 4800watts and above.

another method to check is to max power the device for 10 minutes and wait for smoke or the wire to heat up and you will know

amp usage will not reflect on the cable size and capacity.

lighting cable nowadays don't have ground

got neon light, but no 20A written on below or above the light.

so i just need to open the water heater let water run for 10 minutes ? if it really has problem, where the burning smell will come from ? the socket it self ?

how much to get a technician to check ?

This post has been edited by Pain4UrsinZ: Mar 31 2018, 10:51 PM

don't do that. that's just a sarcastic and crude method.

1. see the cable connecting to the water heater. some stuff should be written on if it is the flexible cable with 3 core.
2. if not, it will be the red black green cable which you can estimate the size la. use some calipers and compare that size with some hardware shop if you are inexperienced.
3. open up the water heater switch and check the wire the same as 2. don't get yourself electrocuted ok. and at the same time, check if the ground properly wired up.

by the way, not sure if you know the difference between socket and switch :

socket
https://www.google.com/search?q=socket&clie...iw=1280&bih=686





switch(specifically water heater switch)
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefo....80.iT_sdKawugk

let me take a picture and show to you guys tomorrow.

Gang Red Neon Indicator Legrand Switch
for the switch this one exactly same but for the socket i havent check.

niaseng , i kena tipu d ?

if got 13A socket then i facepalm for you.
13A socket
https://www.google.com/search?q=13+amp+sock...iw=1280&bih=686




15A socket
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefo...1.0.3_P15oUlHTQ


anyway......i dislike water heater connected using a plug to a socket.

oh shit, you got it all right. how much to fix this ? need to do from head to toe ? rewiring everything ?

it depends...............

difficult to answer as i don't know your wiring diagram and wire size,length , mcb rating connected to the wire, rcd working or not etc etc.

and of course, rated power of water heater

This post has been edited by slimey: Apr 1 2018, 03:03 PM

I pity the wireman who has to quote to these homeowners..

so calculative until can accept undersized wires for water heaters. Water heaters are 4mm2 per ST with an 10mA trip RCBO installed

An electric circuit without earth continuity? All for the sake of saving a few ringgit and bypassing regulations meant to save lives and property..

Really hope you people know what is at stake in your discussions.

the water heater uses 3.6Kw, should be 16 A?

actually i'm renting a house, it had been fixed once. my landlord either knew or still don't know exactly what is happening.

how much it cost if just ask the wire man come to do checking and give plans & advice ?

can i get electrocuted from this ?

This post has been edited by Pain4UrsinZ: Apr 2 2018, 01:15 AM

15-16A when running at max power.

cost depends........but can easily run up to rm100 i think.

electricuted or not depends on whether the ground is properly wired and working plus a working rcd for safety purpose.

undersized wire plus an oversized mcb will cause the wire to get hot and burn when being run exceeding the capacity of the wire for long period.

if the developer provided the water heater point already, it means make the work much more easy ?

The guidelines for domestic wirings in residential buildings for standard 3kW water heaters are 20A mcb with a 10mA trip RCD wired to a 20A DP neon switch terminated to a ceiling rose or directly connected to the water heater wired 4mm2 in conduit from DB. You can replace the water heater mcb/RCD with a similar rated RCBO to save space in your DB.

Be prepared to pay around rm500 on average for the above. A wireman who qoutes less might be cutting corners or using existing wiring. Get the wireman to stamp in his PW number on his invoice to make him responsible for the installation.. to
This is just a general guide based our energy commission (ST) for a standard 3 BR apartment. Ask to witness the insulation test, continuity test of the phase, neutral and earth conductors and the RCD trip test. The RCD trip time must be within 200ms to the nominal trip on the device.

A proper installation must be tested for correctness, safety and the client's peace of mind.

Just my thoughts to share..

This post has been edited by Richard: Apr 2 2018, 08:27 AM

it depends

Usually the water heater point provided by the developer for new houses or apartments is direct from DB?

The newer development's usually yes..

It is a mandatory requirement to have the water heater wiring connections to the guidelines of the suruhanjaya tenaga but some installation are not tested by the responsibility developer's consultants thus the owners need to be aware of this.

You need to do it yourself. Thus the need for a competent registered wireman with the correct test equipment.

The main issue was the death's of home owners in apartment with their water heaters installation protection not working..

You only hear from the published reports but actually many more happened but not reported..

Maybe. Unless you test it yourself or you trust the developer with your life. Your choice

The test equipment is an RCD tester.All three wires (live, neutral and earth) are connected to it. The 3LEDs on the tester will lit showing a good live, neutral and earth connection.
. There's a test button on the RCD tester

Press the test button.

The water heater RCD must trip without tripping out the main RCD and the LCD display will show a tripping time in ms(milliseconds) with the leakage to earth current in mA(milliamps). The readings should be less than 200ms and 10mA.

Have your water heater RCD tested by your wireman and have it recorded on a test report with your wireman's PW number and signature.

Sleep a little easier knowing that your water heater electrical connection will disconnect if there is anything wrong with the water heater and not harm/kill anyone.

Any 13A socket in the bathroom should be similarly tested to make sure it complies to the ST guidelines.

Hope this helps.

Yes but that device can't test the wire size and the mcb or rcd size connected to it.

And the 13a socket is a no no for any water heater

Yes, however some homes have a 13A socket beside the bathroom washbasin.. usually those higher class landed properties..

I mean if the 13A socket is installed within the bathroom then it has to be protected with a 10mA RCD to comply to ST. It is a mandatory requirement.

Might as well change it to direct connect to water heater as per regulation.
Even changing to a 15a socket is better than 13a socket. The fuse in 13a plug will keep on burn out.

You misunderstood.. the water heater is on a 20A double pole neon switch outside the bathroom.. only the wiring terminal from 20A switch to water heater location is present.

I meant some bathrooms has an additional 13A socket beside the washbasin (for hairdryer or shavers, whatever). It is this 13A socket which has to be protected..

Hopefully that's clear..

yup. clear.

but i dislike socket in bathroom. most people don't do it properly with water proof type socket.........heck some even don't have a on off switch for socket

hi, the developer provided a socket for instant heater (looks like 13A) but if i plan to install a storage tank heater, can i relocate the existing point or i have to wire another point direct from mcb? thanks in advance!

Hi all.

I received this quotation from the contractor. Looks expensive or this is standard rate? What do you guys think?

Thanks.

Lighting point is the point connected to the light fixture or the switch?

You can just route the cable to go up the ceiling for the storage tank but usually you will need to hack the walls to install the heater pipe to go to you mixer. (This is assuming no heater pipe was installed by the developer)

light fixture

Dear all, any reliable and price reasonable electric wiring contractor to intro, area = kl. Thanks.