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SUSslimey
post Mar 31 2018, 10:40 PM


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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Mar 31 2018, 10:22 PM)
hi all, i want to know if my water heater is using 20A socket. how to check?

is the wiring use for lighting is the same with the water heater or water heater need thicker wires ? ?
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just take a picture of the plug/switch.

water heater will require at least 2.5mm2 wire. even more if high powered like those with 4800watts and above.

another method to check is to max power the device for 10 minutes and wait for smoke or the wire to heat up and you will know laugh.gif
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post Mar 31 2018, 10:47 PM


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QUOTE(babylongreece @ Mar 31 2018, 10:45 PM)
SO stone age style. Just use clamp meter to see the ampere usage
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amp usage will not reflect on the cable size and capacity.
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post Mar 31 2018, 10:49 PM


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QUOTE(babylongreece @ Mar 31 2018, 10:43 PM)
if the socket have big switch and big neon light then it 20A but need picture for confirmation.

If you use lighting for heater sure will cause issue later. Not now, not a year or 2 but few years down, likely some issue start some crop like tripping or no electric supply at all.
Light is 1.5mm. Heater according to standard should be 4mm but many owner cry when see the price so most use 2.5mm wire. I personally will not provide any warranty for the job if owner want to use 2.5mm wire.
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lighting cable nowadays don't have ground laugh.gif
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post Mar 31 2018, 10:57 PM


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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Mar 31 2018, 10:50 PM)
got neon light, but no 20A written on below or above the light.

so i just need to open the water heater let water run for 10 minutes ? if it really has problem, where the burning smell will come from ? the socket it self ?

how much to get a technician to check ?
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don't do that. that's just a sarcastic and crude method.

1. see the cable connecting to the water heater. some stuff should be written on if it is the flexible cable with 3 core.
2. if not, it will be the red black green cable which you can estimate the size la. use some calipers and compare that size with some hardware shop if you are inexperienced.
3. open up the water heater switch and check the wire the same as 2. don't get yourself electrocuted ok. and at the same time, check if the ground properly wired up.
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post Mar 31 2018, 11:00 PM


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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Mar 31 2018, 10:50 PM)
got neon light, but no 20A written on below or above the light.

so i just need to open the water heater let water run for 10 minutes ? if it really has problem, where the burning smell will come from ? the socket it self ?

how much to get a technician to check ?
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by the way, not sure if you know the difference between socket and switch :

socket
https://www.google.com/search?q=socket&clie...iw=1280&bih=686





switch(specifically water heater switch)
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefo....80.iT_sdKawugk
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post Mar 31 2018, 11:42 PM


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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Mar 31 2018, 11:28 PM)
Gang Red Neon Indicator Legrand Switch
for the switch this one exactly same but for the socket i havent check.
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if got 13A socket then i facepalm for you.
13A socket
https://www.google.com/search?q=13+amp+sock...iw=1280&bih=686




15A socket
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefo...1.0.3_P15oUlHTQ


anyway......i dislike water heater connected using a plug to a socket.
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post Apr 1 2018, 03:03 PM


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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Apr 1 2018, 02:36 PM)
oh shit, you got it all right. how much to fix this ? need to do from head to toe ? rewiring everything ?
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it depends...............

difficult to answer as i don't know your wiring diagram and wire size,length , mcb rating connected to the wire, rcd working or not etc etc.

and of course, rated power of water heater

This post has been edited by slimey: Apr 1 2018, 03:03 PM
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post Apr 2 2018, 07:09 AM


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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Apr 2 2018, 12:51 AM)
the water heater uses 3.6Kw, should be 16 A?

actually i'm renting a house, it had been fixed once. my landlord either knew or still don't know exactly what is happening.

how much it cost if just ask the wire man come to do checking and give plans & advice ?

can i get electrocuted from this ?
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15-16A when running at max power.

cost depends........but can easily run up to rm100 i think.

electricuted or not depends on whether the ground is properly wired and working plus a working rcd for safety purpose.

undersized wire plus an oversized mcb will cause the wire to get hot and burn when being run exceeding the capacity of the wire for long period.
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post Apr 2 2018, 08:30 AM


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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Apr 2 2018, 08:03 AM)
if the developer provided the water heater point already, it means make the work much more easy ?
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it depends
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post Apr 2 2018, 12:31 PM


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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Apr 2 2018, 09:01 AM)
Usually the water heater point provided by the developer for new houses or apartments is direct from DB?
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Maybe. Unless you test it yourself or you trust the developer with your life. Your choice
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post Apr 2 2018, 05:21 PM


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QUOTE(Richard @ Apr 2 2018, 02:54 PM)
The test equipment is an RCD tester.All three wires (live, neutral and earth) are connected to it. The 3LEDs on the tester will lit showing a good live, neutral and earth connection.
. There's a test button on the RCD tester

Press the test button.

The water heater RCD must trip without tripping out the main RCD and the LCD display will show a tripping time in ms(milliseconds) with the leakage to earth current in mA(milliamps). The readings should be less than 200ms and 10mA.

Have your water heater RCD tested by your wireman and have it recorded on a test report with your wireman's PW number and signature.

Sleep a little easier knowing that your water heater electrical connection will disconnect if there is anything wrong with the water heater and not harm/kill anyone.

Any 13A socket in the bathroom should be similarly tested to make sure it complies to the ST guidelines.

Hope this helps.
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Yes but that device can't test the wire size and the mcb or rcd size connected to it.

And the 13a socket is a no no for any water heater

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post Apr 2 2018, 06:19 PM


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QUOTE(Richard @ Apr 2 2018, 05:50 PM)
Yes, however some homes have a 13A socket beside the bathroom washbasin.. usually those higher class landed properties..

I mean if the 13A socket is installed within the bathroom then it has to be protected with a 10mA RCD to comply to ST. It is a mandatory requirement.
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Might as well change it to direct connect to water heater as per regulation.
Even changing to a 15a socket is better than 13a socket. The fuse in 13a plug will keep on burn out.
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post Apr 2 2018, 07:46 PM


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QUOTE(Richard @ Apr 2 2018, 07:26 PM)
You misunderstood.. the water heater is on a 20A double pole neon switch outside the bathroom.. only the wiring terminal from 20A switch to water heater location is present.

I meant some bathrooms has an additional 13A socket beside the washbasin (for hairdryer or shavers, whatever). It is this 13A socket which has to be protected..

Hopefully that's clear..
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yup. clear.

but i dislike socket in bathroom. most people don't do it properly with water proof type socket.........heck some even don't have a on off switch for socket sweat.gif

 

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