Even in the worst of times, there will always be those who are unaffected and will continue their lavish lifestyles. This cannot be misconstrued as the economy being good and therefore no recession is imminent. The worst is yet to come and that's a fact.

Loan amount is 108K not 135K. And my commitment for Civic is way below the 40% threshold but not when u add up my housing loans and my own car.

But yeah im a guarantor and ill pay the loan as well. But she doesn't work and she has 2 housing loans in her name too.

No 1.8 version ah?

So what about bigger engine and bigger capacity?

U obviously are still stuck with that old mindset that larger engine displacement = more power. That's old school bro. 10 years ago thinking. Engine capacity is a thing of the past. Most car manufacturers have/are coming out with modern engines which have lower displacement yet have much more power.

FYI the latest BMW 3 Series is a 1.5L Turbo but it can beat any 2.5L normal car.

The key is when the max torque is achieved and the torque curve besides the power to weight ratio.

The Civic 1.5T is as powerful as a 2.4L NA. But the key question is do you need the power?

What's more important is the torque curve. The 1.5T 220Nm torque curve starts from 1,700RPM.

But I guess the only 'issue' would be that max torque is only achieved at 5,500RPM compared to most turbos which hit max torque at around 4,200-4,500RPM.

Nothing to find out actually. Its just a isolated case. There is no car on the planet which doesn't have issues. Even my 5 month old BMW 5 Series broke down last month. The Japanese are well known for their reliability. If there are issues with overheating, Honda will resolve it.

I think what's important for you is to decide if you really require a powerful car and if your finances allow you to purchase one. That's a more important consideration.

Arent these the pics which were circulated yesterday by someone else?

Yes true. If not for the fact that my wife needs a car urgently, I too would have preferred to wait. No point rushing just to be among the first on road but suffer with minor teething issues.

Then u should go for the 1.5T. Just need to decide if you want the mid spec (which I think is good enough) or the Premium.

My wife only went for the 1.8L Civic cuz we don't really need 2 powerful cars in the family. Plus wasn't keen to spend that much extra.

Only 'issue' for me is how to get the new Vxxx number plate for KL. Tender open only 1 July. By the time we get the number (if successful) will be end July.

I just secured my own number WD...A for my own car.

Yes tendered 3 May. Results out 2 June. Im registering this week. Need to redo the Puspakom inspection first.

Im the 4th person on the list for the 1.8L at my branch at Jln Imbi, BB. All 4 with approved loans. The others only have bookings.

Any idea what tyres are provided? I hope they give us good ones like Michelin. Im very particular about tyres.

I used the Michelin PSS before on my 18 inchers. Its a super tyre. Road grip is spectacular. But once it gets worn, the tyre noise becomes quite unbearable. Typical of high performance tyres. But its also super expensive.

I hope the Michelin PS4 can come in on time. It would be a good trade to use those tyres.

Your PS3 are mid range performance tyres while Primacy's are comfort based. The Michelin PSS will get noisier as they wear. Nothing uncommon about it. High performance tyres are like that. You compromise comfort for handling.

My current BMW RFT's are getting noisy as well. Conti SC3. Just waiting to replace them in about a year.

Yes in terms of the specs and what's on offer, the 1.8L is a good deal actually. I was actually surprised that Honda had so much on offer for the base 1.8L. Its as if they were worried that the 1.8L sales would be poor.

Items like walkaway auto lock, remote start, 8 way powered seats, electric parking brake, rear aircon and curtain airbas are usually reserved for the higher spec models to boost their sales. But Honda decided to offer these as standard for the 1.8L as well. I even think that the Shiruken styled rims offered for the 1.8L looks more classy than the other 2.

In my opinion, the only selling point of the 1.5L is the turbo itself with the LED headlights coming second. Besides that, other add on's are irrelevant. And for the turbo, if it was a twin scroll then I would have considered paying the extra 10K but since its only a soft turbo, it doesn't quite entice me.

I was also worried that the interior finish and material quality would suffer with the 1.8L but it doesn't seem to be the case here.

So yeah, now im more confident that getting the 1.8L was the better choice. At about RM118K only, I think its surely value for money.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jun 8 2016, 09:45 AM

I think it's gonna be mundane for all 3 variants no thanks to the crappy CVT transmission.

But yes, the turbo does add the extra power to negate the effects of the CVT somewhat. Im still haunted by my experience with the Audi A4 CVT. A world of a difference driving that vs the BMW 320i. Hence my apprehension and somewhat dislike for the CVT.

If this was to be my main car, I would go for the top variant. But in my case its gonna be our 2nd car and for the wife. Her first choice was actually the Iriz so I guess we've come a long way now to finally end up with the 1.8L.

The 5 years unlimited mileage warranty is actually a con in some ways to ensure you keep servicing with them. Yes it gives you additional peace of mind but Honda servicing isn't exactly cheap either.

The 5 yr warranty is good for conti cars e.g BMW cuz u would expect more issues with them since almost everything in the car is electronics controlled. But for Japanese cars, im quite happy with a shorter warranty period. Most average workshops out there can easily maintain a Japanese car at a much lower price. In fact, most of them could even do a better job than Honda itself.

If Honda offered 5 yrs warranty with free servicing for say 5 years, just like BMW then it would be a win win situation. But I guess we cant expect everything eh?

Allow me to highlight a few unbiased facts to you:

1) New car models/variants are introduced almost every year or so. So unless it's a model coming in this year / early 2017 with some basic spy info already circulating in cyberspace, it's quite ridiculous to even be talking about it. It's as good as saying 'im waiting for Toyota to introduce driverless cars' on a thread which is discussing a brand new rival model which is due for an official launch this week.

2) Toyota will not be introducing an Altis with any major changes. That's just not Toyota's business model. If you look at their recent launches e.g Hilux, Camry, etc these are more updated/refreshed than actual new models. That's always been Toyota's style. Just look at how long it took them to include VSC in their lower range cars. Even then its not equipped as standard across all variants. So if ure expecting an upcoming Altis with ground breaking tech in the near future that would rival the Civic, my guess is that ure gonna be very disappointed.

3) Setting up a plant in Malaysia doesn't mean a major reduction in price. In fact, there may not be any reduction at all judging by Toyota's business model in Malaysia of offering basic cars at high prices. And having a plant in Malaysia only means that the cars are assembled locally with more locally sourced parts than something assembled in Thailand. But assembling locally usually means a drop in quality. BMW had numerous issues with their 3 series / 5 series when they first started local production. Toyota vehicles in Malaysia have already been suffering from increasing quality issues for the last 3-4 years. I would not be looking forward to a locally produced Toyota unless there is a huge price reduction (which is highly unlikely).

4) Price reductions in Malaysia usually happen when the vehicle model is granted EEV status. I don't see how the new Altis would get this EEV status unless there is a major revamp in their engine, transmission and maybe an inclusion of a hybrid system.

So in short, I would gladly debate the 'new Altis' when the time comes. But due to the reasons ive provided above, I don't think this is a discussion for now and especially not for this thread.

Cheers!

Toyota needs much more than a new chassis to keep up with Honda now. They lost the B segment to the City, the SUV segment to the CRV & HRV and now they will lose the C segment to the Civic. That's a huge whack on all 3 fronts.

Honda has set a new benchmark for the C segment with this new Civic. Very rarely do we get a car that offers a great design, a spacious interior and top notch specs for a reasonable price. You normally get 2 or maybe 3 factors but not all 4.

Well done Honda!