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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V) IV, Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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Ramjade
post Mar 28 2016, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 28 2016, 08:11 PM)
Joining FSM or joined? I plan to do that with 1000 myr first lol. And your ASG 3 years? Shouldn't be that bad right? What the IRR up to now?
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Planning to. Assuming I can come back on a weekday to Malaysia.
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post Mar 29 2016, 02:36 AM

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QUOTE(gReeN sOda @ Mar 28 2016, 11:36 PM)
hmm. in that case i rather go to bank to try..
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ASG loss/profit is same with a normal UT. That's why I said better move them out and put in normal UT which give better returns. Can use polarbearz excel file which is uploaded in first page of FSM thread. smile.gif
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post Mar 29 2016, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(gReeN sOda @ Mar 29 2016, 08:11 AM)
Yup.. tats why i am curious why 9164.02 written in da book..
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You forgot that you kena 5%SC + 6% GST upfront. That's the differences between asm, asw, as1m vs asg. The 3 ASX FP is tax free. You put in rm10k, you get 10k units.
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post Mar 29 2016, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(gReeN sOda @ Mar 29 2016, 08:25 AM)
sad.gif.. when i sell still charge another 5%? or only when buy?
so meaning based on the total units that i have now, still no profit??
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Only when buying. When you sell no tax. No profit now. Unless somehow the NAV can increase drastically. You sell then you can make a profit. That's why with ASG need to hold extra longer compare to ASX FP. Upon buying you already rugi 5%+.

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QUOTE(gReeN sOda @ Mar 29 2016, 08:32 AM)
ok.. is the nav of 1.0363 when i bought tat time consider low?
mean gt room for growth?
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Not sure. Asg relies heavily on klse. If it goes up, the NAV will go up the next day. If it drop, NAV will drop the next day.

Like ancient-xing mentioned you can get as high as 15% if asg is performing. He cut loss before klse drop too much. His return was 3+%. Worse than FD in my opinion. I make a loss of about 30% I think. Need to count back and see. Thank god klse climb back. So my loss won't be so drastic. Hopefully it can maintain when I liquidate my ASG.

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 29 2016, 09:05 AM)
Hey, correct. Its 9164.
And yea, do you remember the nav during 22/3?
Try calculate based on that. But as I say earlier, I don't think you make loss alot.
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Isn't with asg and other UT based on agents, you already make a loss 5%+ upon buying?
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QUOTE(gReeN sOda @ Mar 29 2016, 10:29 AM)
erm.. can u teach me how to calculate the 9164 and 9794?
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Rm10k/1.0363 - (Rm10k/1.0363 x 0.05) = 9167.22956673 (if I factor in GST, your value will become even lower than 9164)

9164 x 1.0687 = 9793.5668 = 9794

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post Mar 29 2016, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 29 2016, 10:46 AM)
This.
Lol actually the value appreciated.
If income distribution 7%
Meaning Nav = 0.9939
And 9164 * 107* = 9805.48

9805.48 * 0.9939 = 9746. Still after all, lost 300.

Because of the 5% sc.
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But then how the book shows 9164? My calculations shows 9167.

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post Mar 29 2016, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 29 2016, 01:09 PM)
Expectation.

Nevermind. Lets see how things going... Who introduce you one. I thought in this thread and first page I emphasise don't go asg
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Most likely bank worker.
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QUOTE(gReeN sOda @ Mar 29 2016, 01:18 PM)
because of the FD.. need me to buy da asg as well.. i only
plan to keep for 3 yrs.. hope by tat time no loss..
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Just ignore them in the future. You could do like me. Transfer all FD into the ASX FP. That way, you won't be tempted to buy asg as returns are not fixed. You don't need to keep chasing FD promos.

If you are lucky, you might get better returns than FD for 3 years. (that's what I am hoping for) If you are unlucky, you will make a loss in 3 years. sad.gif

Need to divide my total returns against number of years to see if I profit more than FD when I liquidate ASG.

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QUOTE(gReeN sOda @ Mar 29 2016, 01:57 PM)
Wat is ASX? I just hope after 3 years got profit..
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ASX FP = asw2020, ASM, as1m
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post Mar 30 2016, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 30 2016, 08:53 AM)
Anyone going to top up tis few days?
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Me. Trying asw as usual but only rm1k
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post Mar 30 2016, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 30 2016, 09:36 AM)
At least u get some
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No luck yesterday. Going again today.
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post Mar 30 2016, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Mar 30 2016, 10:56 AM)
So your success rate is no longer 100%?
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Yup. But still 9x% cause got only rm100 instead of rm1k.

QUOTE(gReeN sOda @ Mar 30 2016, 11:11 AM)
just went to PNB just now.. ASW2020 fully occupied..
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No wonder. Rm1k tak dapat. Get only rm100. mad.gif vmad.gif
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 30 2016, 01:50 PM)
So many people say that... but really, is that the most effective way?
I'm an accounting grad, financial management is one of the mandatory course, but most of my friends n colleagues in the profession have credit card debts, don't save enough, don't look into growing personal wealth although they are fantastic accountants

Would u say our education system failed us?
I don't think so... one of the reason I would attribute it to is what kpfun suggested... others may include, there are not enough urgency and culturally it's not something that people talk about openly
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Kind of true. Look at dividend day. People withdraw in masses. People are living "in the moment". Don't have the need to live "in the future"
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 30 2016, 04:20 PM)
'I am talking abt investment knowledge, not accounting or economics.'
Very good points being debated and put forward by MGM and dasecret,...

I go back to my earlier points again which was : why are U students in Sgp able to spare time to learn aboyt investments and our students are not able to ??

Very true about what dasecret said : Do you hand hold them out of poverty or do you teach them how to fish ?

I guessed our Gov't has been handholding them out of poverty all these years, and the culture just could not stop anymore. But OTOH, if the Gov't can continue to handhold, like what I am seeing now with the ASX funds, then what's the problem ? The only slight problem I'm seeing is the dividend yield for ASX has been dropping over the years - this is the problem,.. Will it drop further moving forward ?

Will it drop to a level that is not able to match inflation in Msia ? That would be a very important question.

What MGM said is true - we are talking about investment knowledge,... not deep economics and accounting,... but what dasecret said is true also - investors or financial analysts would have a competitive edge if they were from the accounting/finance background/professions. Hence, we must come up with a model of......how much and how deep a level must a student of investment knowledge go in order to be sufficiently equipped to make good investment decisions.

The above is still being debated upon,... as I have found out among my peers and the students that I have helped out. There is still not  good syllabus out there yet for investment-related courses. I/We continue to debate with the proper educational authorities on how to structure such a syllabus.
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Handholding is good if done right. Look at Norway, economy more or less same like malaysia but everyone is practically a millionaire as the government saves for them. No one gets left behind. Remember not all people can invest. Poor people will prioritise food on the

I believed currently inflation = ASX dividend. Just my gut feeling. That's why I am looking at stuff able to give >6%.

Definitely those in the financial field have the edge compare to lay person like me.

Best experience is discussion and experience. No textbook can teach you this kind of real life skills.
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Mar 30 2016, 06:10 PM)
pusing pusing, me come back to ASX again.

As long as you still keep FDs,  ASX is definitely worth trying..........

my haul at mbb 09:34:02 -10:50:11
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ASW2020?
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post Mar 31 2016, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 31 2016, 05:52 AM)
Diversify is good. But since you did invest in many area, what's your opinion in asx fp compared to other? Currently do you have any investment which is around 7% monthly? I do really wish to know because I am dint touch any econ or finance in my school days up to now. Lol. What I am study now also not related to business at all.
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AFAIK, malaysian REITS are giving 7-8% p.a smile.gif
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 31 2016, 09:20 AM)
Do not forget to minus out the 10% tax,... and is the payout consistent ?
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The last I checked it's consistent. But that was superficial. The only downside is REITS price can fluctuate. I think 7-8% is already after 10% tax. Better ask those who deals with malaysian stock market.
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QUOTE(Vincent9696 @ Mar 31 2016, 10:33 AM)
Most of the reit nett profit is about 5-6% only
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Really? My uncle showed me his profit.7%

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