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post Dec 30 2020, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 30 2020, 12:24 PM)
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ROFLMAO!!

Yeah the suspension announcement was made so that the market could focus on the fact the boss bought 3,290,000 shares.  Boss acquiring shares only what. Need to halt trading, meh? Seriously? Isn't this is getting really, really pathetic?

Well... there goes your morning show.  tongue.gif
On the other hand... maybe this is developing into something unhealthy.

Because that I keep track of the buy backs, the other day, on the 24th, there was this announcement.

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3116663

I thought waa... okay... company finally resumed its buybacks... but when I look closer... wait a minute... the transaction of the buyback was on the 14th Dec.
Which had already been announced b4 ...

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3113644

Which means.. 2 different announcements, both highlighting the same buy back.

Errr.... what is TG trying to do here??  shakehead.gif  rolleyes.gif
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Well, I think the buyback lesson of starting a bonfire in the carpark may have set in.
There are only so much resources you can commit to fighting market forces.

In the short term, as Benjamin Graham said, the market is a voting machine. Prices are hostage to market sentiment.
So this may be a move to put some positive PR and try to shore up investor confidence in the share. Personal buys and all are to hopefully convey that now is a good price and the price has bottomed out. I don't know how effective that has been, there is still way more uncertainty surrounding TG than most other counters.

Can't fault them for doing what they can.


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QUOTE(SGSuser @ Dec 30 2020, 11:26 AM)
1.7? Lol

Rsi probably --0 oversold by then laugh.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Dec 30 2020, 12:24 PM)
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ROFLMAO!!

Yeah the suspension announcement was made so that the market could focus on the fact the boss bought 3,290,000 shares.  Boss acquiring shares only what. Need to halt trading, meh? Seriously? Isn't this is getting really, really pathetic?

Well... there goes your morning show.  tongue.gif
On the other hand... maybe this is developing into something unhealthy.

Because that I keep track of the buy backs, the other day, on the 24th, there was this announcement.

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3116663

I thought waa... okay... company finally resumed its buybacks... but when I look closer... wait a minute... the transaction of the buyback was on the 14th Dec.
Which had already been announced b4 ...

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_inform...?ann_id=3113644

Which means.. 2 different announcements, both highlighting the same buy back.

Errr.... what is TG trying to do here??  shakehead.gif  rolleyes.gif
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Sign of desperation.

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post Dec 30 2020, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Dec 30 2020, 12:44 PM)
Wah, that much lower than 2 ah...was thinking to top-up as it's been steadily going down, it is a good one to hold for long term. Will keep monitoring.
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I don't think it will happen but I recognize an opportunity when I see one.
Plus TGUAN is only on my secondary watchlist and I have other packaging companies in front of it.
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post Dec 30 2020, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Dec 30 2020, 12:44 PM)
Wah, that much lower than 2 ah...was thinking to top-up as it's been steadily going down, it is a good one to hold for long term. Will keep monitoring.
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wont go until that low de la unless somethg massive happens

next support at 2.50, but u can start accumulate already if want
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post Dec 30 2020, 01:40 PM

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Top Glove founder bumps up stake to 34.8%, share price up in morning trading

KUALA LUMPUR (Dec 30): Top Glove Corp Bhd, which suspended its trading for an hour this morning, drew the public's attention to a filing showing its executive chairman Tan Sri Lim Wee Chai has bought an additional 3.29 million shares at an average price of RM6.07 yesterday.

The latest share purchase has bumped up his direct shareholding to 26.2% in the glove manufacturer. Meanwhile, he also holds an indirect stake of 8.62%. His total shareholding is 34.82%.

Top Glove's share price opened higher at 10am on Bursa Malaysia after a one-hour trading halt and climbed to RM6.23 against yesterday’s closing of RM6.01 — the lowest level since early July. As at noon break, it closed at RM6.11 with 13.8 million shares traded.

Including the latest transaction, Top Glove founder Lim has spent RM69.72 million to mop up shares on the open market in December when the share price has been on the decline most of the month, no thanks to the Covid-19 outbreak among its foreign factory workers and news on the poor conditions at its worker dormitories.

On Dec 14, Lim spent RM19.98 million to buy 3.1 million shares in Top Glove with an average price of between RM6.39 and RM6.49. On Dec 9 and 10, he bought 4.28 million shares for RM29.78 million in the price range of between RM6.93 and RM6.99.

Top Glove, meanwhile, has stopped its share buyback exercise in the past two weeks. Its last purchase was on Dec 14 when it bought back 576,900 shares for RM3.63 million.

Top Glove currently has 178.36 million treasury shares, according to the latest filing.

The group might have been mindful of its share buyback exercise considering that the 2% creeping threshold limit does apply to its controlling shareholder Lim, whose shareholding will increase in tandem as the group buys back more shares.

A company’s share capital is based on the number of voting shares, any treasury share will not be included.

Based on Asia Analytical’s calculation, Top Glove will have room to buy back an additional 89 million shares as of end-November before Lim hit the creeping rule threshold.

In December, Top Glove so far bought back roughly 18.33 million shares in three trading days.


https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/top-...morning-trading
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Dec 30 2020, 12:54 PM)
I don't think it will happen but I recognize an opportunity when I see one.
Plus TGUAN is only on my secondary watchlist and I have other packaging companies in front of it.
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QUOTE(SGSuser @ Dec 30 2020, 12:57 PM)
wont go until that low de la unless somethg massive happens

next support at 2.50, but u can start accumulate already if want
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Thanks, both. Yeah, dont think I'll chase till super low too, this range is quite decent.
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Getting vaccination does not require glove ?

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singap...pfizer-13864346
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Dec 30 2020, 01:40 PM)
Top Glove founder bumps up stake to 34.8%, share price up in morning trading

KUALA LUMPUR (Dec 30): Top Glove Corp Bhd, which suspended its trading for an hour this morning, drew the public's attention to a filing showing its executive chairman Tan Sri Lim Wee Chai has bought an additional 3.29 million shares at an average price of RM6.07 yesterday.

The latest share purchase has bumped up his direct shareholding to 26.2% in the glove manufacturer. Meanwhile, he also holds an indirect stake of 8.62%. His total shareholding is 34.82%.

Top Glove's share price opened higher at 10am on Bursa Malaysia after a one-hour trading halt and climbed to RM6.23 against yesterday’s closing of RM6.01 — the lowest level since early July. As at noon break, it closed at RM6.11 with 13.8 million shares traded.

Including the latest transaction, Top Glove founder Lim has spent RM69.72 million to mop up shares on the open market in December when the share price has been on the decline most of the month, no thanks to the Covid-19 outbreak among its foreign factory workers and news on the poor conditions at its worker dormitories.

On Dec 14, Lim spent RM19.98 million to buy 3.1 million shares in Top Glove with an average price of between RM6.39 and RM6.49. On Dec 9 and 10, he bought 4.28 million shares for RM29.78 million in the price range of between RM6.93 and RM6.99.

Top Glove, meanwhile, has stopped its share buyback exercise in the past two weeks. Its last purchase was on Dec 14 when it bought back 576,900 shares for RM3.63 million.

Top Glove currently has 178.36 million treasury shares, according to the latest filing.

The group might have been mindful of its share buyback exercise considering that the 2% creeping threshold limit does apply to its controlling shareholder Lim, whose shareholding will increase in tandem as the group buys back more shares.

A company’s share capital is based on the number of voting shares, any treasury share will not be included.

Based on Asia Analytical’s calculation, Top Glove will have room to buy back an additional 89 million shares as of end-November before Lim hit the creeping rule threshold. 

In December, Top Glove so far bought back roughly 18.33 million shares in three trading days.
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/top-...morning-trading
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Ahh..... intersting point on the threshold ruling


Did some searching ...

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Triggering a Mandatory Offer (“MO”): creeping provision and netting off

As before, a MO shall apply where the acquirer has obtained control in a company or where the acquirer has triggered the creeping threshold. An offeror triggers the creeping threshold by acquiring more than 2% of the voting rights of a target in any period of six months where the offeror’s holding was more than 33% but less than 50% of the voting rights in the target.

The 2016 Rules now expressly provide that, in that situation, a person or persons acting in concert are free to acquire and dispose of further voting shares within the 2% band without triggering a MO. Within this 2% band, dispositions of voting rights may now be netted off against acquisitions[5]. An example of this is where a person who holds more than 33% voting shares in a company acquires a further 1.5% shares and subsequently disposes of 0.5%. Netting off will result in that person having acquired 1% voting shares in the company. That person will then be able to acquire up to a further 1.0% in the company to keep within the 2% band without triggering a MO.

Under the 2010 Code where netting off was not permitted[6], the person would be deemed to have acquired 1.5% in the shares and would only be able to acquire up to a further 0.5% in keeping within the 2% band.


Source: https://www.conventuslaw.com/report/key-cha...s-framework-in/

I wonder if the boss is aware of this? Is he even getting any financial advice?

This changes things a lot... can the boss afford to make a MO? If cannot, this means, the company's hand in doing buyback is tied ........

And next year... or in a couple of days.... the real shorty gang will be set loose..... then how? ...................................................



And last but not least .... the boss is so fixated on buying the company shares. He really needs to understand where he needs to draw a line. He made his fortune making gloves and obviously not as a stock market player. Being so involved in buying shares of his company, where does he find the time to look at the company's sticky problems with its foreign workers??

This post has been edited by Boon3: Dec 30 2020, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE(DeMl @ Dec 30 2020, 01:54 PM)
Getting vaccination does not require glove ?

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singap...pfizer-13864346
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Last time when UK first public vaccination time, already discussed before.

The myth of every glove is needed for each vaccination already known.
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QUOTE(SGSuser @ Dec 30 2020, 12:57 PM)
wont go until that low de la unless somethg massive happens

next support at 2.50, but u can start accumulate already if want
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It will hover around 2.50, but I'll probably be in around 2.60 ++ when smart money come back..


Now it is still bearish, haven turn sideways..
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QUOTE(Bendan520 @ Dec 30 2020, 02:01 PM)
It will hover around 2.50, but I'll probably be in around 2.60 ++ when smart money come back..
Now it is still bearish, haven turn sideways..
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I think still considered sideways,
today is actually the ex-date.. they will be paying dividend on 18-Jan-2021
RM 0.01 only
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post Dec 30 2020, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Dec 30 2020, 01:40 PM)
Top Glove founder bumps up stake to 34.8%, share price up in morning trading

KUALA LUMPUR (Dec 30): Top Glove Corp Bhd, which suspended its trading for an hour this morning, drew the public's attention to a filing showing its executive chairman Tan Sri Lim Wee Chai has bought an additional 3.29 million shares at an average price of RM6.07 yesterday.

The latest share purchase has bumped up his direct shareholding to 26.2% in the glove manufacturer. Meanwhile, he also holds an indirect stake of 8.62%. His total shareholding is 34.82%.

Top Glove's share price opened higher at 10am on Bursa Malaysia after a one-hour trading halt and climbed to RM6.23 against yesterday’s closing of RM6.01 — the lowest level since early July. As at noon break, it closed at RM6.11 with 13.8 million shares traded.

Including the latest transaction, Top Glove founder Lim has spent RM69.72 million to mop up shares on the open market in December when the share price has been on the decline most of the month, no thanks to the Covid-19 outbreak among its foreign factory workers and news on the poor conditions at its worker dormitories.

On Dec 14, Lim spent RM19.98 million to buy 3.1 million shares in Top Glove with an average price of between RM6.39 and RM6.49. On Dec 9 and 10, he bought 4.28 million shares for RM29.78 million in the price range of between RM6.93 and RM6.99.

Top Glove, meanwhile, has stopped its share buyback exercise in the past two weeks. Its last purchase was on Dec 14 when it bought back 576,900 shares for RM3.63 million.

Top Glove currently has 178.36 million treasury shares, according to the latest filing.

The group might have been mindful of its share buyback exercise considering that the 2% creeping threshold limit does apply to its controlling shareholder Lim, whose shareholding will increase in tandem as the group buys back more shares.

A company’s share capital is based on the number of voting shares, any treasury share will not be included.

Based on Asia Analytical’s calculation, Top Glove will have room to buy back an additional 89 million shares as of end-November before Lim hit the creeping rule threshold. 

In December, Top Glove so far bought back roughly 18.33 million shares in three trading days.
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/top-...morning-trading
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He must have regret didn't sell more of his shares when price was at elevated level.
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post Dec 30 2020, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 30 2020, 02:20 PM)
He must have regret didn't sell more of his shares when price was at elevated level.
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Well, that was during the "Larger Than Maybank" era so selling may have been furthest from his mind.
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QUOTE(theberry @ Dec 30 2020, 12:31 PM)
29 is not there yet.
As bursa is a public listed company in Malaysia, these crucial info should be there on time. Today 30almost noon Dy, and yet 29 data is not there yet. Meaning to say that They are incompetent,
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agree!

just out only, not much change from day before.

FF... on the sidelines, little action last few days:

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Market Participants
Date Net (Bought - Sold)
Foreign Local Inst. Local Ret.Total
29 Dec (43m) (61m) 105m 4.22b
28 Dec 49m (25m) (25m) 3.9b
24 Dec 59m (65m) 6m 2.83b
23 Dec 265m (240m) (26m) 3.41b


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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 30 2020, 02:20 PM)
He must have regret didn't sell more of his shares when price was at elevated level.
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Same goes to those who kept collecting during the downtrend. Maybe some of our forumers here are now sitting on 5-6 digits paper loss
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Dec 30 2020, 02:25 PM)
Well, that was during the "Larger Than Maybank" era so selling may have been furthest from his mind.
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Unless share price returned to previous peak level, it was just a dream, feeling good or syok sendiri.

it is important to realize the paper value; better to have $10 in pocket than $100 on the table/floor.

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post Dec 30 2020, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Dec 30 2020, 02:43 PM)
Same goes to those who kept collecting during the downtrend. Maybe some of our forumers here are now sitting on 5-6 digits paper loss
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Buy for long term, the dividends will payback the losses while prices will recover.
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QUOTE(New Klang @ Dec 30 2020, 02:53 PM)
Buy for long term, the dividends will payback the losses while prices will recover.
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Can tell this to those who bought o&g share and poorperly a few years ago.

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post Dec 30 2020, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(New Klang @ Dec 30 2020, 02:53 PM)
Buy for long term, the dividends will payback the losses while prices will recover.
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That's the big assumption people are debating right now.
Bull says supranormal demand will be the new normal, bear says it will normalize within the next 2 years.


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