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CQT P
post Aug 17 2020, 08:53 PM

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Hi I am new in trading. May someone explain to me what is realized loss? I buy 400 unit share at 17.96 but it keep dropping in share price so I decided to sell at 13.66 so in my account show realized loss of Rm-1748. So that mean I had loss my capital or I had loss rm1748 from my capital which is (400x17.96)?

Please enlighten me guys, thanks
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post Aug 17 2020, 08:58 PM

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Stock price doesn't drop continuously, it will rise again. The issue is will current shareholders hold on, buy more or to take opportunity to sell?
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post Aug 17 2020, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(CQT @ Aug 17 2020, 08:53 PM)
Hi I am new in trading. May someone explain to me what is realized loss? I buy 400 unit share at 17.96 but it keep dropping in share price so I decided to sell at 13.66 so in my account show realized loss of Rm-1748. So that mean I had loss my capital or I had loss rm1748 from my capital which is (400x17.96)?

Please enlighten me guys, thanks
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Lost RM1,748 without counting fees yet.
Ziet Inv
post Aug 17 2020, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(CQT @ Aug 17 2020, 08:53 PM)
Hi I am new in trading. May someone explain to me what is realized loss? I buy 400 unit share at 17.96 but it keep dropping in share price so I decided to sell at 13.66 so in my account show realized loss of Rm-1748. So that mean I had loss my capital or I had loss rm1748 from my capital which is (400x17.96)?

Please enlighten me guys, thanks
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Like yggdrasil mentioned, loss of RM 1748 from your capital which is 400 * 17.96

However, your actual losses is RM 1,748 + Brokerage Fee @ Buying + Brokerage Fee @ Selling
=RM 1,748 + approx RM 10 + approx RM 10
= RM 1,768 total losses
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post Aug 17 2020, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Aug 17 2020, 08:58 PM)
Lost RM1,748 without counting fees yet.
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Thanks. Is that mean by calculation (400*17.96 = rm7184 which is my capital but now I loss rm1748 from my capital and my capital become rm5436)?

So mean I should get back my rm5436 reduced capital into my trading account?
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post Aug 17 2020, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Aug 17 2020, 08:45 PM)
Previously investment in Malaysia for me was usually composite stock or large blue chips.

During the low period pre mco, the market for Bursa especially secondary counters is heavily controlled with insiders and institution calling all the shots and having a real information advantage.

But recently with retailer participation, the landscape has slightly change and there is a real chance from profiting via catching early trends and public sentiments. It's very vibrant now as well, i hope Bursa and the SC is able to maintain the public interest and participation.
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Wonder is it because genting close shop haha

Jokes aside, the rise of Robinhood in the US also shows retailers fueling the stock market movement
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post Aug 17 2020, 09:04 PM

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As long as many retailers linking jewellery shops stock price with gold price, the market remain irrational, emotional and gut feeling.
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QUOTE(Ziet Inv @ Aug 17 2020, 09:02 PM)
Like yggdrasil mentioned, loss of RM 1748 from your capital which is 400 * 17.96

However, your actual losses is RM 1,748 + Brokerage Fee @ Buying + Brokerage Fee @ Selling
=RM 1,748 + approx RM 10 + approx RM 10
= RM 1,768 total losses
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Thanks Ziet Inv
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post Aug 17 2020, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(chromatino_hex @ Aug 17 2020, 08:38 PM)
We already have the legislation for securities regulation. The Capital Market and Services Act 2007 covers a wide range of misconducts and securities fraud . The problem is the enforcement by the responsible authority which would be the Securities Commission Malaysia. Also, it is virtually impossible to track down every single suspicious transaction, let alone indicting someone for securities fraud.
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QUOTE(CQT @ Aug 17 2020, 09:02 PM)
Thanks. Is that mean by calculation (400*17.96 = rm7184 which is my capital but now I loss rm1748 from my capital and my capital become rm5436)?

So mean I should get back my rm5436 reduced capital into my trading account?
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Yes. But amount should be lesser than RM5436 because haven't deduct fees yet.
If you need to ask this question, I think you're not ready to buy or sell.
At least, know what you're doing first thumbsup.gif
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post Aug 17 2020, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(ComingBackSoon @ Aug 17 2020, 06:51 PM)
Nice... I am done buying at RM20++. Need to conserve $$ to buy into other opportunities when they arise. My strategy next is to either:

1) Reload at RM16-18 range, if it falls to this level
2) Sell half at RM35, and the remaining half at RM40.

If it doesn't reach any of the above level, I am just gonna hold them like how I HODL my btc. 10 years later maybe another pandemic, can ride the wave like how those who hold at RM5 since before pandemic ride the current wave  rclxms.gif

Any vaccine news, windfall tax news or any other shit news come out, I will say DR;NS. DIN'T READ; NEVER SELLING.

Global top manufacturer, no need to worry it will go Holland 1.
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While I am strong believer of the short term growth of glove sector, I am a bit reserved on the long term growth.

China two biggest listed gloves company are pushing hard to venture into nitrile gloves production. Their expansion plan over the next 5 years are ambitious and if you combined with the current ASEAN Big-Five, the industry capacity YoY increase might (I say might because it’s my long term projection, and when you start projecting long term, it’s easier to have more variances if you miscalculate a small tiny part) outperform the glove demand YoY increase.

2nd reason is currently those companies relies heavily on the Taiwan and South Korea company supply on nitrile latex. I don’t know whether have anyone of you done any homework on the material cost. Recently the supply is very tight and material cost will definitely increase soon (although I think it’s negligible compare to the ASP increase). The expansion of China company will make the material supply even more tight and when material demand > supply, price of material will increase and eat into the profit margin of gloves manufacturer.
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post Aug 17 2020, 09:08 PM

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I sense a very high level of fear even in i3investor forum
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post Aug 17 2020, 09:08 PM

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How is everyone tat bought mui prop? Still doing ok?
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post Aug 17 2020, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(hs_clover @ Aug 17 2020, 09:08 PM)
How is everyone tat bought mui prop? Still doing ok?
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Now at 0.3...waiting it to go up and sell at a loss.
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post Aug 17 2020, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(lauwenhan @ Aug 17 2020, 09:08 PM)
I sense a very high level of fear even in i3investor forum
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QUOTE(hs_clover @ Aug 17 2020, 09:08 PM)
How is everyone tat bought mui prop? Still doing ok?
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QUOTE(Duckies @ Aug 17 2020, 09:09 PM)
Now at 0.3...waiting it to go up and sell at a loss.
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I PERSONALLY think most counters (especially those with heavy retailers' particpation) have higher chance of dropping due to slowly cashing out 'the extra' by retailers for loan repayment. Then maybe slowly rise after that with people start investing for long term via DDA after 6 months of stock knowledge exposure.

This post has been edited by HereToLearn: Aug 17 2020, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Aug 17 2020, 09:09 PM)
I PERSONALLY think most counters (especially those with heavy retailers' particpation) will have higher chance of dropping due to slowly cashing out 'the extra' by retailers for loan repayment. Then maybe slowly rise after that with people start investing for long term via DDA after 6 months of stock knowledge exposure.
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I thought it is general rule of thumb to only invest with DDA account? Margin trading = gambling?
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post Aug 17 2020, 09:14 PM

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What i had learn from august. Buy stock only if ur ready. Haha. I've been trading in my dream every night ever since i bought shares. Planning to cut loss once and for all if the price is not getting better.
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post Aug 17 2020, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(lauwenhan @ Aug 17 2020, 09:08 PM)
I sense a very high level of fear even in i3investor forum
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They aren't see nothing yet until forced selling of margin finance.

QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Aug 17 2020, 09:09 PM)
I PERSONALLY think most counters (especially those with heavy retailers' particpation) have higher chance of dropping due to slowly cashing out 'the extra' by retailers for loan repayment. Then maybe slowly rise after that with people start investing for long term via DDA after 6 months of stock knowledge exposure.
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The more retailers participation, the more speculative the counter.
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post Aug 17 2020, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(lauwenhan @ Aug 17 2020, 09:11 PM)
I thought it is general rule of thumb to only invest with DDA account? Margin trading = gambling?
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LOL sorry my bad for always using short form. My DDA here is direct debit authorization, something like regularly deduct X amount from your banks to invest (something like dollar cost averaging without timing /reading the share market trend)

This post has been edited by HereToLearn: Aug 17 2020, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(hs_clover @ Aug 17 2020, 09:14 PM)
What i had learn from august. Buy stock only if ur ready. Haha. I've been trading in my dream every night ever since i bought shares. Planning to cut loss once and for all if the price is not getting better.
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Don't lose faith. There are 200+ trading days. No need to chase high. Opportunities are boundless in the stock market

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