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Kahlamx
post Jul 18 2023, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(TongCN @ Jul 18 2023, 09:17 AM)
Man, LG CX keep having firmware update within a month , lolz ..
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There are CX owners on reddit who claimed that the peak brightness decreases for 04.41.45. whistling.gif

But another gaming youtuber I follow measured the peak brightness but no diff than previous version.
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post Sep 19 2023, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Sep 19 2023, 02:15 PM)
Most people wouldnt know unless 1) they are already used to dolby vision, 2) they have 2 different TV at the same time (one w dv vs one without) that they can tell the difference side by side. I'm not saying DV is bad, the fact is its the standard now when it comes to HDR, but most consumers would struggle to point out the difference

As long the image looks good to your eyes is all that matters. To hell with image accuracy, yeah I'm gonna get flamed for this but in the end you buy your TV to enjoy according to what your eyes perceive. First week I have my TV, i set it up accordingly to have the most accurate settings, ok not bad I thought, image look good. Then onwards I started playing around with settings that are deemed illegal by enthuasiast (eg: Contrast Enhancer etc), and to me the image looked even better. Yes its probably not accurate at this point but damm I just like how it looks and everyone will be wowed by it as well
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Actually Dolby Vision came out a year before HDR10 on 2014. It is actually not just a standard but an "absolute standard" for HDR format. It's already capable of mastering up to peak brightness of 10,000 nits and 12 bit depth representing 68.7 billion colors (of course there are no commercially available display that can support 12 bit yet) vs 10 bit 1.07 billion on the HDR10, dynamic vs static metadata.

Basically, what Dolby created is a mastering workflow for content creators so contents displayed can be as consistent as possible across so many TV brands that come with Dolby Vision with Samsung being an exception. tongue.gif So it's up to the TV to display the contents based on different tone map, brightness clipping, roll-off and etc capabilities. You can read up more why there is a need for absolute standard when contents slowly shift from SDR (normally display with 100 nits capabilities CRT last time) to HDR.

Not saying using contrast enhancer or saturated color is wrong, you can adjust whatever that fits your viewing experience for the wow factor. But for me, I can definitely tell DV vs HDR10 even on the same set of TV, even more so on OLED TVs and personally feel much more satisfied knowing I am viewing a well mastered content. Haha.
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post Sep 19 2023, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Sep 19 2023, 09:11 PM)
Agree with what you said above but correct me if I'm wrong with the bolded part - it doesnt matter if the content is mastered with Dolby Vision or not, in the end when its displayed to the consumers (our TVs), it boils down to how the TV process the image. I've seen so many reported cases where a TV's Dolby Vision profile is not displaying the accuracy that was expected, ending up the users still have to do their own tweaks to get the best picture. The metadata is still there which is better than none, but its not always fully utilised depending on the TV model and the user
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Well, all TVs have their own flaws, there is no perfect TVs or perfect tone map processing. That's why it's very important to use the correct presets for SDR, HDR10, DV mode. My post above is actually more to why the need for Dolby Vision as the consistent standard across displays if you know more about HDR10 and SDR standard.

Best picture according to and expected as in? For the most of us including me myself, we don't even have that super expensive reference display and reference monitor like Sony HX310 the one Vincent Teoh uses. So how do we know for a fact that it's half or fully utilized, DV picture accurate or not? If you want to talk about picture accuracy, you need reference, you need to calibrate your TV with colorimeter and pattern generators. Then calibrate greyscale and color using 1D and 3D LUT, then check for RGB balance and delta error. Then use the correct calibrated preset and view your content. That's an entire topic for another day and that's the best you can do. There will always be issues like black crush, stutter, judder and so forth depending on contents (not saying tweaking is wrong, I myself also tweak a bit here and there), but I still prefer to adhere to a standard than totally none lo.

TLDR: There is no right or wrong to be honest la, it's completely fine if you like what you are viewing. Peace. tongue.gif

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post Sep 26 2023, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(bennedict82 @ Sep 26 2023, 09:00 PM)
to be more precise it is rm12k  laugh.gif

But if compared to C3, the price different only rm1.5k. Which is worth to get.
I am new to OLED.. is that mean OLED more fragile and easy to get burn in?
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Get G3. OLED EVO to OLED MLA is a big jump in HDR brightness. You can read more about different type of OLED here. https://www.oledspace.com/en/

I am 3200+ hours in for my 2020 65" LG CX, have yet to have any burn in. I have my pixel shift function on during screen on time, and I do not turn off my TV completely and leave in on standby mode. Just let the soft pixel refresher runs itself (normally after 4 hours of usage and when you turn off your TV) you will hear a click sound after its done.


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post Sep 27 2023, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(LionMY @ Sep 27 2023, 01:17 PM)
My 55C8 clocked 12,741 hours still going strong.  On standby mode all time unless thunderstorm coming.
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Wow, that's like 6-7 hours average per day of viewing time since 2018. Lol

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post Oct 4 2023, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(TongCN @ Oct 4 2023, 10:10 AM)
Yea, my LG C1 very aggressive XD

Specially white and pitch dark time during Starfield gameplay, dang...
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Starfield HDR itself is horrible, overall looks very washed out

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post Oct 4 2023, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(TongCN @ Oct 4 2023, 11:29 AM)
PC doesnt have HDR sad.gif

I'm using the Auto-HDR Windows 11
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ah not sure about PC, I only try on xbox.
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post Oct 4 2023, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(TongCN @ Oct 4 2023, 09:55 AM)
How to know pixel refresher is running eh ?
Cause my LG CX & LG C1 also always standby saja  biggrin.gif

Forgot my CX clock in how many hours d right now but should be >2k hours
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For the manual hard pixel refresher, normally it will trigger a pop up message after you use 2000 hours and above, which I did receive on mine and it took quite a bit of time to complete.

For the automatic soft pixel refresher, normally its 4 hours of cumulative usage and when you shut off the TV, it will run itself. You will here a click sound when its done.
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post Oct 9 2023, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(TongCN @ Oct 9 2023, 09:20 AM)
Gonna try again see, not sure is due to the HDMI Switcher - Vention 8k60 / 4k120 (1 in 2 out) issue or not.
Another thing just noticed is that i have both LG C1 48" and LG CX 65" :

1) LG C1 (May 2022 bought) - top edge there has many dead pixel , likely 9~15 dots, some is real black dots, some is rainbow feel (not sure is dust speck underneath the screen and unable to wipe off on surface)

2) LG CX (June 2021 bought) top edge panel has many dead pixel and some kind of panel aging distortion?

Wanna know that does LG Malaysia warranty dead pixel issues?
From normal viewing distance, those actually unable to see
But then, once you know, it's hard to unseen  sweat.gif

LG C1 still cover under official 2 years warranty and wondering should i claim it.
LG CX still have 8 months warranty by Senheng Plus One member which they can call LG support.
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Yes LG warranty covers dead pixels. They changed a new panel for my CX. Everything done within 1 week or so.

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post Oct 9 2023, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(TongCN @ Oct 9 2023, 10:17 AM)
Nice to hear.
Mind share your procedure?

How many Dead Pixels and how long your CX usage until new panel changes?
Do they require any minimum dead pixel only they proceed for the changes?

Also do they come inspect first (second visit with new panel) or you sending them picture before they come to replace.
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I changed during Dec 2021 (purchased Sept 2021).

If I recall correctly, if there are 2-3 dead pixels and they affect your viewing experience like in the middle of the screen then they will consider swapping it. Mine had quite a bit, especially the top part and very obvious. Like 20-30 dead pixels minimum. It was after 200+ hours of usage or perhaps those were there before due to panel defect and I didn't notice it.

For my case, I gave LG hotline a call, and someone from LG whatsapp me to send the photos. Then came back few days and told me LG approved for a new panel replacement. No one came and inspect it back then, but things might have change now. Now this new panel has zero dead pixels and burn in so far. thumbup.gif


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post Oct 9 2023, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(TongCN @ Oct 9 2023, 11:13 AM)
Quite an amount of dead pixel roughly 3 months o.O

Mine dead pixel actually quite separate on my LG CX at top and so far doesnt affect the viewing experience.
Guess i continue use first until next year only see how's the situation.

So right now your warranty still effective (default factory warranty should be 2 years) ?

Thanks.
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Warranty just over. Touchwood no more issues in the future biggrin.gif
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post Oct 20 2023, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(pokemon @ Oct 20 2023, 01:42 PM)
Just went to a reputable panashop.
Asked whether Panasonic OLED tv is using LG plasma panel.
Yes... but Panasonic is getting the first grade of LG plasma panel from LG.  Hence, the quality of OLED TV is not compromised.
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In fact, even Sony A80L oled is using WOLED panel from LG.
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post Feb 7 2024, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(pokemon @ Feb 6 2024, 07:45 PM)
Those oled tv died after the standard warranty will be heart pain.
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No doubt it's going to be a heartache if the OLED tv dies after the warranty expires. Or it might not happen at all and you get to enjoy all the best picture quality. icon_idea.gif

I don't have a C7 but one of my relative is still rocking it since the day he bought it with no burn ins and damages.

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post Mar 12 2024, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(TongCN @ Mar 11 2024, 03:22 PM)
Went to Senheng yesterday to check with them on the P1 Warranty (mine 65CX expiring coming June 2024) and i explained to the person in charge on my current TV situation with more than 20+ dead pixels on top edge and bottom edge.

He says that based on my situation, probably can change to a new TV already and he straight away helps me to book an order form by locking a LG C3 65" with current promo price (RM10,999) in case the promo price revert.

After that he say LG repairman will come inspect first and contact (if replace panel not worth) the senheng warranty/ insurance agency to release the money so i can just change to above C3 model.

He also says nowadays the OLED panel replacement price very expensive. Not to mention labour cost and transportation fees.
So change TV better than replacement  sweat.gif

I do hope can get C4 model but i'm sure Malaysia not so fast
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Wah such a great offer, must change for C3 only? Cannot request to change to 65 G3 and top up a bit? I see 65 G3 now around 12-13k.

But C3 also very good also....

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QUOTE(TongCN @ Mar 12 2024, 03:51 PM)
Can if i willing to top up lol but out of budget
Probably will use that difference to buy additional +2y Senheng warranty if possible (total 2+1+2)

However, right now i need to wait the LG technician/inspector to come over and check first.
See how they gonna do the reporting.

Pray hard  wish.gif
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Harvey Norman now running raya promo for 65" S95C for RM9888 + RM500 TnG rebate. Just so you are aware also...

Tell them its very distracting and affecting your viewing pleasure a lot.... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(TongCN @ Apr 2 2024, 03:49 PM)
So the insurance (dunno is LG or Senheng decision) decided to opt for Panel replacement cause the margin is less than 70% as per Senheng SA explanation

My extended warranty value up to 13,999 and apparently the value doesnt depreciate over the period  shocking.gif :

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The cost on the system shows:

1) Panel cost @ RM6,700
2) Labour charge @ RM200
3) Service Transport @ RM45

So it is just 50% over the repair coverage

Oh well, wait for the panel replace and gonna check through the new panel see any defective before conclude.
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I am surprised that they still have stock for CX panel? 😀
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post Apr 2 2024, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(TongCN @ Apr 2 2024, 04:17 PM)
Yea, sad that cannot offer replacement to C3 cry.gif

Does LG C1 panel compatible with CX actually?

As C1 has 2 panel models : Non-evo and evo panel
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When I swapped the panel during 2021 the guy from LG mentioned the module is compatible with C9/CX only and C1 is different module…cause back then I was hoping for the EVO also haha

I might be wrong though…
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QUOTE(TongCN @ Apr 2 2024, 05:14 PM)
Haha, i hope they have improved panel for now?

Have to wait till the panel box arrived then inspect.

If C9 panel then i will ask them to return it  mad.gif and opt for another panel (other than C9) or else replacement to C3
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No no, not like that, they have different part ID or something, that's what he told me, they normally order accordingly to the TV model.

You can check with the LG technician first.

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post Apr 3 2024, 10:18 AM

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I am a bit late to the Calman AutoCAL game, but did SDR calibration on my LG CX and overall picture seems to improved, especially dark scenes colors saturation, less faded as compared to default.

1st test, default SDR Cinema with RAW XYZ, the RGB balance was way off, manage to get nice results but real pic has a red push to it even though the chart is looking fine...hmm
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2nd test, SDR cinema with "WRGB OLED" instead of RAW XYZ, results are okay, but the blue on the chart (70% grayscale above) seems to be off. But not noticeable on bright scenes and with lesser red push
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Measured luminance 97 nits (target 100 nits) on 100% grayscale on 32 OLED light. TV was disconnected, brightness 50, contrast 85, oled light 32
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I understand most people calibrate ISF dark, but I wanted to keep the LUTs on ISFs default so I can compare between the different picture modes.

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