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post Dec 30 2006, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(timothyy @ Dec 30 2006, 07:47 AM)
I have not done any setting on it yet. Currently put it on Standard.

I still have not go through the manual to see every fuctions in it. Seems a bit complicated compared to my JVC.

About the noise, I will try later today. Now, I got to go to work. Ha! Ha!...

Anyway, about posting pics, I wanted to post last night but the earthquake-Internet speed problem made me gave up. He! He!

Anyway... will try again later today.
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Yeah, the internet bandwidth is pretty slow, I can't even attach a document with my Yahoo Mail. Tried more than 10 times yesterday. sweat.gif Doesn't seem like an earthquake to me, probably Godzilla tripped the submarine cables and fell down so we thought it was an earthquake. hmm.gif After all Japan is pretty near to Taiwan. laugh.gif

Well, from my personal experience, Cinema 1 is the best setting for my display, my friend is using Cinema 2 for his Panasonic Plasma Tv so it's pretty subjective I guess. It has more sub menus than other players but if you want better picture and sound quality, do invest in Belkin's Surgemaster Gold Series, it filters the noise from the power source of our electrical outlets in our house, there was a marked improvement from my unit. It's no audiophile quality stuff but it works to a certain degree. I guess you can get one from All IT Hypermart. If not, if you have the cash to spare, I'll recommend VDH B16A power cord with Wirewold Tundra shielded multi socket connector, both are audiophile grade components and will cost you at least RM1800 (estimated figure). I'm planning to buy but instead, I got a handphone for myself. Have to put it on hold. CNY coming so maybe later I guess. sweat.gif

If I'm in your shoes, I'll be so distracted and won't feel like working today. I will apply leave and stay at home to watch LOTR on the Sony 76H. laugh.gif


QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Dec 30 2006, 08:01 AM)
Does anybody know if the Sony DVPNS55PB is any good? it is only RM178 sweat.gif

Is the NS76H(European version?) same as NS75H(north american version?).
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Sony DVPNS55PB? It's the successor to Sony DVPNS50P (the B at the back of the model number stands for black colour biggrin.gif ). My uncle is using Sony DVPNS50P, bought around last year, it was around RM280 after discount. It was pricey back then but basically both models share the same specs, just that the Sony DVPNS55PB has less buttons in front, most of the functions only accessible via the remote control. Must be a cost cutting measure by Sony. Quality wise is not bad and it plays poor quality dvds pretty well. My uncle is happy with it and is connected to his Panasonic 34' Giga 100 CRT tv.

The NS76H is actually the NS75H, the specs are the same so I assume that they should be identical. They have another model, 9100ES (if I'm not mistaken), it's not printed on Sony's 2007 product catalogue but can be special ordered from Japan (waiting time is 2 months), price is around RM3300. The reviews of this model were not too good because at this price, Denon's 2930 and Pioneer's 989 can pawn it easily so that's why I settled for NS76H. Second reason, the 9100ES doesn't have Sony's Precision Drive 3 mechanism (dynamic tilting lens for playing poor quality dvds), most Japanese models don't have it and even my pen-pal from Japan bought a Sony dvd player from Malaysia because they didn't know these Made In Malaysia Sony dvd players can play poor quality discs. It's useful especially if you watch original rental dvds which can be warped, scratched or it's in poor condition. On thing I personally like about NS76H is it plays dual layered dvds flawlessly, the layer change is quick unlike my Pioneer 989, it will pause for a second or two before playing the second player. My previous Denon 2910 was better but NS76H was the fastest.
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post Dec 31 2006, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(sunauto @ Dec 30 2006, 10:47 AM)
Yeah, the internet bandwidth is pretty slow, I can't even attach a document with my Yahoo Mail. Tried more than 10 times yesterday.  sweat.gif Doesn't seem like an earthquake to me, probably Godzilla tripped the submarine cables and fell down so we thought it was an earthquake.  hmm.gif  After all Japan is pretty near to Taiwan.  laugh.gif 

Well, from my personal experience, Cinema 1 is the best setting for my display, my friend is using Cinema 2 for his Panasonic Plasma Tv so it's pretty subjective I guess. It has more sub menus than other players but if you want better picture and sound quality, do invest in Belkin's Surgemaster Gold Series, it filters the noise from the power source of our electrical outlets in our house, there was a marked improvement from my unit. It's no audiophile quality stuff but it works to a certain degree. I guess you can get one from All IT Hypermart. If not, if you have the cash to spare, I'll recommend VDH B16A power cord with Wirewold Tundra shielded multi socket connector, both are audiophile grade components and will cost you at least RM1800 (estimated figure). I'm planning to buy but instead, I got a handphone for myself. Have to put it on hold. CNY coming so maybe later I guess.  sweat.gif

If I'm in your shoes, I'll be so distracted and won't feel like working today. I will apply leave and stay at home to watch LOTR on the Sony 76H.  laugh.gif
Ha! Ha!... Well, I've been like that since the day I got my projector. laugh.gif laugh.gif icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

Anyway, I don't think I will be investing on the power code but most prob I will put an AVR for my player and projector. Nope... its not because I want to have better quality... I just can't take the risk having my projector bulb blown. It will cost me around RM1600-1700.

Anyway, I noticed that my projector projects a brighter pic with S Video compared to HDMI. Anyway, have purchased my calibration DVD... Will see how.
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post Dec 31 2006, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(timothyy @ Dec 29 2006, 10:48 PM)
Wah... gila one... 3 units???  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

Anyway, tested it and its superb on "Cars". It looks flawless. But on other moview, yeah... I still see the noise. Its not because its not good but because basically 720p or 1080i, the details is higher compared to 480... so, you see the shades in grain instead of a patch...

Anyway... will post the pics later. Still testing it...
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Actually, movie on DVD is not perfect at all. When DVD comes out, I always think, DVD is perfect. Now I'm totally disappointed with so much noise and pixel. tongue.gif I guess that's why we need HD-DVD/BlueRay coz really, DVD is bad quality tongue.gif
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post Dec 31 2006, 01:57 AM

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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Dec 30 2006, 08:23 AM)
Sony DVPNS55PB model doesn't have HDMI and optical digital out.
If u intend to buy DVD player now, get one with HDMI,especially u have a LCD.

Almost the same but :-
NS76H -support video tv resolutions =576p
Video Noise Reduction=Block Noise Reduction

NS75H - support video tv resolutions =480p
Video Noise Reduction=Mosquito Noise Reduction

Both having video upconversion =1080i (HDTV).
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Errr ......... NS76H supports both Mosquito Noise Reduction and Block Noise Reduction, press the display button twice and you'll see these two options. smile.gif

NS76H can support both PAL and NSTC progressive scan whereas NS75H supports NTSC progressive scan but can be modded to support PAL progressive scan too. Hope that clears the air. smile.gif


QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 31 2006, 01:02 AM)
Actually, movie on DVD is not perfect at all. When DVD comes out, I always think, DVD is perfect. Now I'm totally disappointed with so much noise and pixel. tongue.gif I guess that's why we need HD-DVD/BlueRay coz really, DVD is bad quality tongue.gif
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Well, your statement isn't 100% correct as I've 9 HD-DVD titles here, there's still some slight grain and noise too if you observe them carefully but where the HD-DVD excels will be the colours and sharpness, the movie looks more lifelike and 3 dimensional, it's like watching a whole new movie again evenf or older titles too. If you're not sitting that close to your display, you won't notice the imperfections that clearly even for dvds but sometimes, you can put the blame entirely on dvds if you're playing them on a Cap Ayam dvd player bought from Tesco, if the play is only 80 bucks, then even the best authored dvd will still look ugly. Go to CMY Audio, Gurney Plaza and ask them to test your dvd on their Denon 5930 which is connected to their Hitachi LCD, you'll notice that the picture quality is far superior than what you've seen on normal dvd players so sometimes, it's not the format alone to be blamed. Standard dvds don't hold a candle to next gen ones but they're not inferior either, at least miles better than laserdiscs, vcds or video tapes too.

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Denon is being distributed by IMS in Malaysia. The price diff might be dealers undercutting each other.


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post Dec 31 2006, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Dec 31 2006, 09:00 AM)
Denon is being distributed by IMS in Malaysia. The price diff might be dealers undercutting each other.
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I am not sure. I called up Denon Singapore and hey gave me Wo Kee Hong's shop number.

Anyway, bought my HDMI player and I guess it doesn't matter.

QUOTE("sunauto")
Well, your statement isn't 100% correct as I've 9 HD-DVD titles here, there's still some slight grain and noise too if you observe them carefully but where the HD-DVD excels will be the colours and sharpness, the movie looks more lifelike and 3 dimensional, it's like watching a whole new movie again evenf or older titles too. If you're not sitting that close to your display, you won't notice the imperfections that clearly even for dvds but sometimes, you can put the blame entirely on dvds if you're playing them on a Cap Ayam dvd player bought from Tesco, if the play is only 80 bucks, then even the best authored dvd will still look ugly. Go to CMY Audio, Gurney Plaza and ask them to test your dvd on their Denon 5930 which is connected to their Hitachi LCD, you'll notice that the picture quality is far superior than what you've seen on normal dvd players so sometimes, it's not the format alone to be blamed. Standard dvds don't hold a candle to next gen ones but they're not inferior either, at least miles better than laserdiscs, vcds or video tapes too.

Well, for sure equipment plays a role. That's why there are so much price difference. In chinese saying, 1 sen pay, 1 sen goods.

Anyway, for Audio, sometimes it is pure physics to improve your audio quality. And high end equipment manufacturers make it as if its their technology and engineering that make their equipment sound so good.

My friend/colleague used to help all the "Mat Salleh" to modify their amps and improve their sound quality by simple modifications like changing to better transistors, put dark green masking tape inside the CD player, using 1 sen coin on the wall to get a good sound reflection, squash ball for isolators and many.

Anyway, at the end, you will still need good quality disc to play. At 1 point, I still believe Laser Disc has very good quality output. Just that, it is of analog output. Comparing with normal D9 DVDs, I think LAser disc have better contrast and color. I still have a Laser Disc player and some great titles. But recently hooked it up on my projector, the result was bad. Not because the quality was not good but more like my LD player got problem. Kakakaka tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Dec 31 2006, 02:25 PM

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LDs are not that sharp but the only saving grace is it supports full bitrate for DTS soundtracks, my Jurassic Park LD sounds better than the dvd version anytime. My uncle is a lucky fella, he managed to buy a Pionner LD player (auto reverse) and 600 LD titles from a shop closing down, it's a LD rental shop. They sold everything to him for a cool RM2000, it's worth much more if they auctioned them in eBay and the LDs are in good condition even though they're used for rental purposes. Mostly very good titles not available on dvds or other formats but I'm too lazy to carry them to my house, it's even heavier than my subwoofer. rclxub.gif



QUOTE(timothyy @ Dec 31 2006, 10:33 AM)
I am not sure. I called up Denon Singapore and hey gave me Wo Kee Hong's shop number.

Anyway, bought my HDMI player and I guess it doesn't matter.

QUOTE("sunauto")
Well, your statement isn't 100% correct as I've 9 HD-DVD titles here, there's still some slight grain and noise too if you observe them carefully but where the HD-DVD excels will be the colours and sharpness, the movie looks more lifelike and 3 dimensional, it's like watching a whole new movie again evenf or older titles too. If you're not sitting that close to your display, you won't notice the imperfections that clearly even for dvds but sometimes, you can put the blame entirely on dvds if you're playing them on a Cap Ayam dvd player bought from Tesco, if the play is only 80 bucks, then even the best authored dvd will still look ugly. Go to CMY Audio, Gurney Plaza and ask them to test your dvd on their Denon 5930 which is connected to their Hitachi LCD, you'll notice that the picture quality is far superior than what you've seen on normal dvd players so sometimes, it's not the format alone to be blamed. Standard dvds don't hold a candle to next gen ones but they're not inferior either, at least miles better than laserdiscs, vcds or video tapes too.

Well, for sure equipment plays a role. That's why there are so much price difference. In chinese saying, 1 sen pay, 1 sen goods.

Anyway, for Audio, sometimes it is pure physics to improve your audio quality. And high end equipment manufacturers make it as if its their technology and engineering that make their equipment sound so good.

My friend/colleague used to help all the "Mat Salleh" to modify their amps and improve their sound quality by simple modifications like changing to better transistors, put dark green masking tape inside the CD player, using 1 sen coin on the wall to get a good sound reflection, squash ball for isolators and many.

Anyway, at the end, you will still need good quality disc to play. At 1 point, I still believe Laser Disc has very good quality output. Just that, it is of analog output. Comparing with normal D9 DVDs, I think LAser disc have better contrast and color. I still have a Laser Disc player and some great titles. But recently hooked it up on my projector, the result was bad. Not because the quality was not good but more like my LD player got problem. Kakakaka tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(sunauto @ Dec 29 2006, 05:09 PM)
Sorry to spoil the fun but Samsung's HDMI player has the worst upscaling picture quality for standard dvds and it suffers from macroblocking issues. You wouldn't wanna buy that. Honestly, component video can carry up to 1080i hdtv signals (like XBOX 360) but is prone to distortion and interference since it's analog and not digital. But if you're not picky then it's okay lah but the problem is Samsung's HDMI dvd player ain't cheap and with the price you can get better players in the market. Just my 2 cents.
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From this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/ind...p/t-603086.html

It seems like Samsung HD841/850/860 is using Zoran chip which does not have macroblocking issue. Only the one with Faroudja chip have macroblocking which I think include Sony 76h. Please advice.

I'm planning to get 1 as soon as possible. I wonder LG does upconvert thru component.
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No lah Bro, Sony 76H is not using DCDi solution leh, it's using Mediatek chip like some of the mid ranged Pioneer models.

Those Samsung models are already obsolete, the latest models here are all DCDi ones, you can go to SenQ, HSL or Norman Harvey to have a look, all the latest Samsung HDMI players have the DCDi logo on the front panel. If you don't watch movies like Toy Story then, it's not a problem actually.



QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 31 2006, 06:20 PM)
From this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/ind...p/t-603086.html

It seems like Samsung HD841/850/860 is using Zoran chip which does not have macroblocking issue. Only the one with Faroudja chip have macroblocking which I think include Sony 76h. Please advice.

I'm planning to get 1 as soon as possible. I wonder LG does upconvert thru component.
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QUOTE(sunauto @ Dec 31 2006, 08:25 PM)
No lah Bro, Sony 76H is not using DCDi solution leh, it's using Mediatek chip like some of the mid ranged Pioneer models.

Those Samsung models are already obsolete, the latest models here are all DCDi ones, you can go to SenQ, HSL or Norman Harvey to have a look, all the latest Samsung HDMI players have the DCDi logo on the front panel. If you don't watch movies like Toy Story then, it's not a problem actually.
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I've another big question. Why Samsung is worst in PQ if Samsung have 14 bit Video DAC compare to Sony which has only 12 bit video DAC?

By the way, Happy New Year! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 31 2006, 02:00 PM)
I've another big question. Why Samsung is worst in PQ if Samsung have 14 bit Video DAC compare to Sony which has only 12 bit video DAC?

By the way, Happy New Year! biggrin.gif
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hehe, the same thing why samsung's TV with samsung's own panels dont neccessarily look better than other tvs with samsung's panels tongue.gif just like why philips make good electronics components but not good consumer products

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Happy New year to all of you!!!
thanks for all the replys and I'm sorry that i was busy til now..... notworthy.gif

Actually I my heart goes to Sharp but after reading the reviews and the finding that 42" BX is actually taiwanese panel from AUO...... shocking.gif

since the 4 TVs that i've short listed are not something that spectacular, i might opt for LG due to the pricing. Further more, LG can do 1366x768 from what i found from the net. Can anyone confirm this???

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Dont bother with the sharp. I just came back from an electronics big box store and was looking at all the TVs over htere. The Aquos 46" that I saw over there was just plain horrible. They were playing a gray pixture and the screen has off reddish tint on the left of the screen and greenish tint on the right!* shakehead.gif I also looked at some Samsung and smaller Sharp, all of them has some sort of vertical banding. One of the sony V series (non 1080p) had some visible vertical banding as well and conincidently those people were playing Motorstorm which was the same game I spotted vertical banding on my previous TV. Of all the Tv that were there, the Sony V2500 series is still the best that I've ever seen.

They had a samsung bd player hooked up to a samsung 1080p, the picture looks really nice! very very detail but whoever doing the tuning jacked up the contrast kau kau till the whites totally got washed out...and the TV seems a little noisy and grainy and I cant help but keep on seeing vertical banding on almost every single LCD TV I could see...damn.

EDIT: after doing some research...apparently this is called the color bleeding issue...it was very severe on the samsung...and I also read that the Sony V2500 has this problem as well icon_question.gif

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Why you want to choose a brand that have doubts all over? Every other forum is talking about Samsung's problem, especially on the HDMI world.

sunauto... guess what... I have yet to watch a full legth movie using my Sony 76H. Ha! Ha!... laugh.gif

Must test it out today.
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QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Jan 1 2007, 01:14 AM)
hehe, the same thing why samsung's TV with samsung's own panels dont neccessarily look better than other tvs with samsung's panels tongue.gif just like why philips make good electronics components but not good consumer products
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Ok, I get what u mean tongue.gif tongue.gif

QUOTE(timothyy @ Jan 1 2007, 01:03 PM)
Why you want to choose a brand that have doubts all over? Every other forum is talking about Samsung's problem, especially on the HDMI world.

sunauto... guess what... I have yet to watch a full legth movie using my Sony 76H. Ha! Ha!... laugh.gif

Must test it out today.
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Coz its the only brand can hack HDCP free tongue.gif over component. If other can, I will buy too.
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The bits thingy don't really mean a thing actually. It's best to compare these players and you'll see what I mean, the specs don't determine anything actually.


QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 1 2007, 01:00 AM)
I've another big question. Why Samsung is worst in PQ if Samsung have 14 bit Video DAC compare to Sony which has only 12 bit video DAC?

By the way, Happy New Year! biggrin.gif
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Haiz... back to the Malaysian problem again. I guess its hard for all of us to test the players in Malaysia. My bro in law says when he was in UK, he can go to an AV shop and test everyday and the sales guy will still smilingly help even if you don't buy.

In Malaysia, even if you take out the cash, they still don't bother as if they only make RM10 for a DVD player!!!! And this is what they always claim. Oh PULEEEEEAAAASSSEEEE!!!!!
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QUOTE(timothyy @ Jan 1 2007, 01:03 PM)
Why you want to choose a brand that have doubts all over? Every other forum is talking about Samsung's problem, especially on the HDMI world.

sunauto... guess what... I have yet to watch a full legth movie using my Sony 76H. Ha! Ha!... laugh.gif

Must test it out today.
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Aiyo Bro ..... you can tahan meh, if for me, I'll quickly watch a movie or two on it. I'll get impatient if you put such a goody in front of my eyes. rclxm9.gif


QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 1 2007, 01:48 PM)
Ok, I get what u mean tongue.gif tongue.gif
Coz its the only brand can hack HDCP free tongue.gif over component. If other can, I will buy too.
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I know but it doesn't mean anything. If you look at the reviews from various forums, the Samsung dvd player didn't fare that well and even if it could do 1080i via component, it can still be pawned by a good dvd player doing 480P. It's not necessary for all upscalled movies will definitely look better, sometimes it will look worse if the player doesn't have a good upscalling chip.
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OK... when it comes to component and HDMI... the good part about HDMI is the signal is pure digital. So, you don't have to worry about current interference. I notice this on my JVC. Very obvious. But on HDMI, the screen is like a poster. It doesn't move at all.

As for movies... wow... I love watching "Cars". Every shot is like a poster. No flaws. 120" screen somore. Wowow...
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Well, I love watching 'Cars' too, hehehehe. You're right about HDMI and if you're use QED's HDMI cable, the picture is even better but the bad news, it is probably almost as expensive as our Sony dvd player. sweat.gif I borrowed my friend's QED HDMI cable for a test drive and it was a huge improvement over the standard HDMI cables that I'm using. I guess I'll probably get one from CMY Audio after CNY. Too much expenses coming, can die lar. Hahaha. rclxub.gif


QUOTE(timothyy @ Jan 3 2007, 10:16 AM)
OK... when it comes to component and HDMI... the good part about HDMI is the signal is pure digital. So, you don't have to worry about current interference. I notice this on my JVC. Very obvious. But on HDMI, the screen is like a poster. It doesn't move at all.

As for movies... wow... I love watching "Cars". Every shot is like a poster. No flaws. 120" screen somore. Wowow...
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