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post Dec 15 2015, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(andyng38 @ Dec 14 2015, 05:15 PM)
If u knew how many snubbies I actually use daily, u'd think me mad...so let's leave it at 3  smile.gif

If you want to compare the snubnose to derringer, you'll have to ask yourself what u prefer:

3 posts with 4 holes or 3 posts with 3 holes?
Cyclops AFC with open flow and more positioning options, or cyclops AFC with 3 restrictive holes?

It all depends on what u r looking for. I've always preferred the snubbie because of the AFC. And if you had to rebuild a bunch of them daily, you'd appreciate the 4 holes for a less-fiddly time. But that's just me. IMO flavor quality between the two are almost the same. The difference in flavor is not as pronounced as say, between the Mad Hatter and Mad Hatter mini.

Tobeco clones are very cheep...not much of a risk to buy one of each model and compare for yourself.
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Andy, mind to share where did you get your Tobeco snubnose and the price?
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post Dec 15 2015, 01:25 AM

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QUOTE(Special Agent @ Dec 15 2015, 01:05 AM)
no.. u can't fire low ohm with low wattage,.. cos it won't generate sufficient heat to vaporize.. resistance is needed to vibrate the atoms to generate heat...

if lower resistance generate more heat, then why they don't useĀ  copper or gold as heating material ??.. they are lowest resistance in the world..
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yes i know that... point is you can fire, but its useless laugh.gif laugh.gif

btw you do know now there's SS, nickel, titanium wire right? these wires offers lower resistance than normal A1 kanthal

copper is poisonous, and gold is not cheap

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post Dec 15 2015, 01:27 AM

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post Dec 15 2015, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Dec 15 2015, 12:54 AM)
All your essence needs to have equal percentage of increase to maintain same taste. Example:

Original:
Apple pie 20%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream: 10%

Boosted:
Apple Pie 22%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream: 11%

Increasing Propylene Glycol (PG) also helps. PG is the flavor carrier.
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Thanks mate. I guess it means if i add 10 percent to the 20% of apple pie, the same goes to the vbic.
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post Dec 15 2015, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(mi-g @ Dec 15 2015, 01:25 AM)
yes i know that... point is you can fire, but its useless  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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hence higher resistance higher heat with lesser power.. not lower resistance gets higher heat as u mention..
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post Dec 15 2015, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(stix @ Dec 14 2015, 11:23 PM)
DIY masters, if i want to increase the strength of the flavour, do i increase the percentage of all the flavours? Lets say i have three flavours mixed to a nice ratio and i love the taste but i felt that the flavour seems 'weak'. Will increasing all flavours & mess up the taste?
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There are no hard and fast rules. When some flavors are bumped up above a certain percentage, you may actually get LESS of that flavor.

Some flavors need a bit more time to "bloom"...so it may just be the matter of letting the juice steep a few days more, and that 'weak' flavor may become more pronounced.

Depending on the flavor that is giving u a problem, you may or may not have to change any percentages of the original flavorings at all.
Eg Lets say your apple pie flavor needs a bit of boosting, just add on a bit of fuji apple flavor.
Sometimes, a combo of 2 apple pie flavorings from 2 different manufacturers can have very good results. The percentage of apple pie flavoring remains the same, but that percentage is made up of 2 similar flavorings. I've had good results with mixing several flavors that way.

Some flavors were never meant to be very distinct and pronounced, and work better as a "background" flavor.
Some flavors (esp fruity ones) can be made to "pop" more with the addition of a bit of citric acid.
Often ignored is a touch of saline solution which can help bakery flavors a lot, and a touch of apple cider vinegar can help tame some harshness so that other flavors can appear more distinct.

Experiment!
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QUOTE(Special Agent @ Dec 15 2015, 01:28 AM)
hence higher resistance higher heat with lesser power.. not lower resistance gets higher heat as u mention..
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what i know is i get better vape by vaping 0.5ohm @ 25W than 1.2ohm @ 12W laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(mi-g @ Dec 15 2015, 01:48 AM)
what i know is i get better vape by vaping 0.5ohm @ 25W than 1.2ohm @ 12WĀ  laugh.gifĀ  laugh.gif
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try 1.2ohm at 25W,.. see wud burn cotton or not..

anyway,.. different people different preference..

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QUOTE(ckwong86 @ Dec 15 2015, 12:21 AM)
whats the recommended tank to vape this halo torque?
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You can use any tank you have... not sure you will like not ...not all like the the strong tobacco taste.. i love it..srong tobacco taste hence i use genny or kayfun for it.
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QUOTE(andyng38 @ Dec 15 2015, 01:31 AM)
a touch of apple cider vinegar can help tame some harshness so that other flavors can appear more distinct.

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wah...first time seing this... gonna google more about it... thanks for the lead
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QUOTE(Special Agent @ Dec 15 2015, 02:08 AM)
try 1.2ohm at 25W,.. see wud burn cotton or not..

anyway,.. different people different preference..
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of course its gonna burn.. rule of thumb, low ohm fires at high wattage and higher ohm fires at lower wattage

regulated mod will shows what's current voltage is.. optimal should be around 3.7-4.2.. more than 4.5 it will burn cotton
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Anyone here building their coils with ss316l..care to share any tips? I juat built my first ss coils..do a bit pulsing with it and removes hotspots..then get some bluish colour..28g around 9 or 10 wraps..im getting 1.3 idpe..and 1.5 ish when chain vape..pls share some input or tips on ss
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QUOTE(Special Agent @ Dec 15 2015, 03:08 AM)
try 1.2ohm at 25W,.. see wud burn cotton or not..

anyway,.. different people different preference..
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bro.. the facts that regulated mods nowadays support up to 200 watt tells the whole story... higher wattage definitely brings out better flavour.. so, stick to your low wattage if u think it's good enough...well, for most of us, higher wattage is our best choice... battery wise, 4 days we can sustain... liquid consumption wise, I opt for better flavour... so, there's no way for us to turn back to lower wattage... that's the point... no point arguing... icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(stix @ Dec 15 2015, 01:27 AM)
Thanks mate. I guess it means if i add 10 percent to the 20% of apple pie, the same goes to the vbic.
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Yes. Adding PG is another option. PG also increases throat hit.

Also, steeping also helps with the flavor. Recommended steeping for fruity is at least 5 days and creamy is at least 2 weeks.

QUOTE(andyng38 @ Dec 15 2015, 01:31 AM)
Some flavors were never meant to be very distinct and pronounced, and work better as a "background" flavor.
Some flavors (esp fruity ones) can be made to "pop" more with the addition of a bit of citric acid.
Often ignored is a touch of saline solution which can help bakery flavors a lot, and a touch of apple cider vinegar can help tame some harshness so that other flavors can appear more distinct.

Experiment!
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I put 2 drops of vodka on my Mojito e-juice

This post has been edited by TristanX: Dec 15 2015, 08:29 AM
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post Dec 15 2015, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(Special Agent @ Dec 15 2015, 02:08 AM)
try 1.2ohm at 25W,.. see wud burn cotton or not..


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I may be wrong, but I think your problem with burnt cotton is due to poor wicking. I suspect that you are using a very small inner diameter when building your coils, and the wicking cannot carry enough juice to keep up with your puffs.

Not enough (slow flow) juice flow / = burnt coils
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post Dec 15 2015, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(andyng38 @ Dec 14 2015, 05:15 PM)
If u knew how many snubbies I actually use daily, u'd think me mad...so let's leave it at 3  smile.gif

If you want to compare the snubnose to derringer, you'll have to ask yourself what u prefer:

3 posts with 4 holes or 3 posts with 3 holes?
Cyclops AFC with open flow and more positioning options, or cyclops AFC with 3 restrictive holes?

It all depends on what u r looking for. I've always preferred the snubbie because of the AFC. And if you had to rebuild a bunch of them daily, you'd appreciate the 4 holes for a less-fiddly time. But that's just me. IMO flavor quality between the two are almost the same. The difference in flavor is not as pronounced as say, between the Mad Hatter and Mad Hatter mini.

Tobeco clones are very cheep...not much of a risk to buy one of each model and compare for yourself.
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i think i wud prefer more holes...with a bit of restriction
and i could totally imagine building them daily hahaha... flex.gif
but gladly appreciate the input
will try getting a clone to try it out.
mind sharing wad builds are u running for ur daily?

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post Dec 15 2015, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(Special Agent @ Dec 14 2015, 09:23 PM)
burn tastes at 20 watt,.. hangit at 15 watt.... when the coil aged, the resistance wud gone up to 1.4-1.5 ohm,..

for those who still arguing that lower resistance give u higher heat,.. pls read below,..

http://www.learnabout-electronics.org/Resi...sistors_01a.php

coil is a conductor, not insulator,.. hence it is POSITIVE TEMPERATURE COEFFICIENT,... hence i can fire up the coil even at low wattage b'cos of high ohm,.. where u guys who use lower ohm can't fire it up with low wattage,.. hence higher ohm is more  energy saving for heating...
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if u have a scope to measure ur active wattage when u fire ur device then u'll know that ur mod is not firing at the wattage that u have set on ur mod..
i've heard that the mod that you are using does bypass the the chip power regulation to fire at effective current battery volt rate, hence mech like firing.
to be honest, i never trusted smok mod chips btw.

QUOTE(Banoque @ Dec 14 2015, 11:04 PM)
Bross..

Im so confused now..before this I always fire at 20 watts with 0.7 ohm..then when i fire at 30 watts, the flava is nicer..i always thought if i fire higher, it will burn my flava but the other way round..i know it is subjective and different people different setting..my vape shop guy always reminds me to keep between 3.7v-4.2v when vaping..but atm im vaping at 30w/4.65v and the the taste of the flava is awesome..

my question is is it ok to vape with higher watts? n why my vape guy told me to vape between 3.7v-4.2?

btw, im using evic vtc
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the safest firing range is between 3.7v - 4.2v, thats according to the effective battery charge rate.
sub ohm is quite different, voltage will be lower while the wattage will be bump up via the battery amp.
higher amps will allow higher wattage at lower volt to effectively heat up the coils but most of the time, ur volt will linger less than 4 volts.

QUOTE(stix @ Dec 14 2015, 11:23 PM)
DIY masters, if i want to increase the strength of the flavour, do i increase the percentage of all the flavours? Lets say i have three flavours mixed to a nice ratio and i love the taste but i felt that the flavour seems 'weak'. Will increasing all flavours & mess up the taste?
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nope, more flavoring is an overkill, it will ended up muting ur overall mix.
go with moderation.
mixing eliquid is like baking, flavors complementing each other.
go to e-liquid-recipes.com, study all the mixes uploaded there. if u look carefully, some multiple flavorings in a recipe goes way beyond 20% while most of them are below 20%.
less is more, try to maintain your mixes below 15% and learn the concept of main and supporting flavors.
read more bro..

QUOTE(Special Agent @ Dec 15 2015, 01:05 AM)
no.. u can't fire low ohm with low wattage,.. cos it won't generate sufficient heat to vaporize.. resistance is needed to vibrate the atoms to generate heat...
if lower resistance generate more heat, then why they don't use  copper or gold as heating material ??.. they are lowest resistance in the world..
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duuhh...lower resistance requires more power to effectively heat up the coils..
but, higher wattage creates more heat, more heat will create more vapor but ur wick will dry up pretty fast which will resulted with burnt taste.
to overcome that issue, coils need to be bigger in diameter so that ur wick will stay saturated for that firing period...
that pairs with effective wicking and appropriate airflow will lessen the probability of dry hit experience.
in a vaccum tank, more heat+bigger airflow=more vapor+high vacuum=no fry wicks.

QUOTE(Special Agent @ Dec 15 2015, 01:28 AM)
hence higher resistance higher heat with lesser power.. not lower resistance gets higher heat as u mention..
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this u are correct but be reminded, the way u vape right now at 6watts, u r seriously under volt..
under volt will lessen ur battery lifespan the same way when a battery is being discharge at the peak amp rate.
in ur case my friend, ur 6watts is being fired at max maybe 10amp, assuming ur not using a 20amp rate battery.
though u say that u can adjust the wattage of your device, so do i and every one here unless they are using mech mod.
that is why i'm telling u, ur mod already bypass the 6watts settings and firing at ur battery rated volts..
the same way a mech mod is firing.
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post Dec 15 2015, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Dec 15 2015, 08:23 AM)
Yes. Adding PG is another option. PG also increases throat hit.

Also, steeping also helps with the flavor. Recommended steeping for fruity is at least 5 days and creamy is at least 2 weeks.
I put 2 drops of vodka on my Mojito e-juice
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Coming from US juices, i cant help but to find DIY juices a lil ... well, missing. I just cant get that strong taste even with my attempt of cloning the top juices in e-recipe website. Perhaps real premium juice brewers have secrets up their sleeves.
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QUOTE(stix @ Dec 15 2015, 10:32 AM)
Coming from US juices, i cant help but to find DIY juices a lil ... well, missing. I just cant get that strong taste even with my attempt of cloning the top juices in e-recipe website. Perhaps real premium juice brewers have secrets up their sleeves.
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one more thing, the pg,vg and nic they use is different than what we used here.
thats why our brewers opt for sucra/stevia/EM in their mixes.
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QUOTE(stix @ Dec 15 2015, 10:32 AM)
Coming from US juices, i cant help but to find DIY juices a lil ... well, missing. I just cant get that strong taste even with my attempt of cloning the top juices in e-recipe website. Perhaps real premium juice brewers have secrets up their sleeves.
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Yup, US juices has some secrets. Steeping with oak barrel and homebrew ingredients. You can get close to the US flavor, not 100%.
QUOTE(duke_hunt @ Dec 15 2015, 10:24 AM)
nope, more flavoring is an overkill, it will ended up muting ur overall mix.
go with moderation.
mixing eliquid is like baking, flavors complementing each other.
go to e-liquid-recipes.com, study all the mixes uploaded there. if u look carefully, some multiple flavorings in a recipe goes way beyond 20% while most of them are below 20%.
less is more, try to maintain your mixes below 15% and learn the concept of main and supporting flavors.
read more bro..
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From my experience, more PG is recommended for higher amount of essence. Certain flavor hurts more than improving if too strong though.

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