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WindDragon
post Nov 22 2015, 04:13 PM

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Because learning Bahasa has no benefits. Trolllolololol
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post Nov 22 2015, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 04:11 PM)
not maybe, it does lead me to nowhere.
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hey i learn Jawi, and it doesn't get me anywhere..but I don't care..still a knowledge.. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 22 2015, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Nov 22 2015, 03:49 PM)
But which version of BM should we learn?

Even with good grades in BM, I find that in general Malaysians rarely use the BM we learned in school.

You go pasar, they use bahasa pasar, then Malay accuse you for not learning BM.

You talk with rempit, they use their own creation of BM.

You watch/read Malay articles, or Malay shows or news, and found that Malay language used by Malay themselves are mixed or copied English.

Personally Malay should take charge of standardizing BM for everyone, because as of the current trend it seems like they themselves are keep changing their language in order to sound high class.

Most other popular languages are so standardized that it's applicable to anywhere in the world.

However if I were to speak Malay that is taught in school with my Malay peers its as if I'm speaking a foreign language with them. Heck, kelate should be recognize as another country altogether.

Tldr kalo nak kaum lain ckp melayu korang kenalah tetapkan standard yg betul supaya org lain blh ikut. Kalo x jgn slhkan org lain sbb korang pon x fasih bahasa sendiri dlm menetapkan standard yg betul.
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u go to some part in uk and us also sound not like some english u learn in school lah bro.

bahasa pasar is informal bahasa melayu, spoken everywhere outside, not just in pasar.

formal bahasa melayu is use in formal events. just like when u learn other language, like korean and japanese, there are formal and informal version of communicating.

language is always evolving as time goes by. u compare kamus dewan jilid 1 with latest jilid also got many differences.

same with oxford dictionary 1st version with latest version. same goes with all other language around the world. even u talk chinese people nowadays using sia sui. its not even in mandarin dictionary.

malay language. is always standardized. as long you use the malay u learn in school, you can speak malay outside just fine.

bahasa melayu from kelate, ganu, pahang, kedah, penang etc is the localized version of the language. it is accent. u no need to learn those to communicate. just need to adopt. like texas english, irish english, uk english, aussie english canadian english. heck, even english got a lot of accent. u went to talk normal english with rednecks its as if u speak foreign language with them. tongue.gif
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post Nov 22 2015, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(smarty pants @ Nov 22 2015, 02:44 PM)
Joe mamak's daily routine
8am : bangun, buat kopi, go news site copy and paste news
10am : berak, go news site, copy and paste news. but this time bold some of the words
12noon: makan lunch alone
2pm: f5 f5 for news. copy and paste news. also, become moral police in k. give generic advice.
4pm: tidur, dream about latest news
6pm: reply news tereds he copied. cry when got zero replies.
8pm: eat dinner alone, sambil baca newspaper
10pm: besihkan keyboard and mouse.
12am: pray to newsgods for more news tomorrow.
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QUOTE(ganz @ Nov 22 2015, 03:00 PM)
So.. When to change from www.moe.gov.my to www.kpendidikan.gov.my

Www.tresuary.gov.my to www.kewangan.gov.my/www.perbendaharaan.gov.my
Feel shame to Malay language?
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Www.cukai.gov.my
Www.
emburrar
post Nov 22 2015, 04:18 PM

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Lord Tiki Mick
post Nov 22 2015, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(jonny4 @ Nov 22 2015, 03:43 PM)
the prob is not Malaysians cannot speak it. the prob is only certain types of BM accents n slangs are acceptable by certain ppl.

no one goes around saying that "oh Australian English accent is unacceptable. only New York English accent is the right one"

i think we shud learn to embrace the many accents n slangs of BM used by minorities.

We cant all be speaking Malay with a rempit accent.
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eh eh bodo. Who asked you to speak rempit language? You see Indonesian scholars, or even those foreigner who took Malay study, they speak in a very nice language. If people hate BM because of the way rempit speak Malay, then both of them are stupid. I really hate DBP because they too laid back & do nothing causing Malay going down to longkang as the author said. Maybe we should make Anwar PM, so he can go back make the use of BM more strict.

Malay is, as far as I know, is the easiest language to learn. It's a combination of multiple languages, thus foreign tongue are familiar with the language. You can say it's the Esperanto of ancient days, the difference is that it was used.
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post Nov 22 2015, 04:22 PM

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but i can talk both
so i get MP post + directorial post at x100 GLCs sit home goncang telur wait allowances anot?
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post Nov 22 2015, 04:24 PM

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joe_mamak I am not interested .

kerolzarmyfanboy good but I interested in other language also, but not BM


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post Nov 22 2015, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 04:24 PM)
joe_mamak I am not interested .

kerolzarmyfanboy good but I interested in other language also, but not BM
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Why? What's wrong with the language?
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post Nov 22 2015, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(maraippo @ Nov 22 2015, 04:15 PM)
u go to some part in uk and us also sound not like some english u learn in school lah bro.

bahasa pasar is informal bahasa melayu, spoken everywhere outside, not just in pasar.

formal bahasa melayu is use in formal events. just like when u learn other language, like korean and japanese, there are formal and informal version of communicating.

language is always evolving as time goes by. u compare kamus dewan jilid 1 with latest jilid also got many differences.

same with oxford dictionary 1st version with latest version. same goes with all other language around the world. even u talk chinese people nowadays using sia sui. its not even in mandarin dictionary.

malay language. is always standardized. as long you use the malay u learn in school, you can speak malay outside just fine.

bahasa melayu from kelate, ganu, pahang, kedah, penang etc is the localized version of the language. it is accent. u no need to learn those to communicate. just need to adopt. like texas english, irish english, uk english, aussie english canadian english. heck, even english got a lot of accent. u went to talk normal english with rednecks its as if u speak foreign language with them. tongue.gif
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If that is the case, Malay can't accuse non Malay unable to converse in BM.

Most of us that spent 11 years in national school are able to converse in BM just fine. We just not equipped to converse in various native slangs like the native Malay do.

And by that logic, non Malay can't be accused of putting English because most of us can't speak Queen English with an Cockney accent.
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post Nov 22 2015, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Nov 22 2015, 04:25 PM)
Why? What's wrong with the language?
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bcos now its divided to

bahasa pasar

bahasa rempit



so it cut off my interest in bm already, so no way


but still I speak BM as I have no choice, but i make sure I speak english or other language only
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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 04:24 PM)
joe_mamak I am not interested .

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Fine.

I don't mind using BM. I actually wish I had a better command of it.

I don't see what is the problem, at least for me.

I am older but I will continue to make an effort.

I will also try to improve on my Mandarin.

I don't see why I have to limit myself like it is beyond my abilities.

Some just refuse to. Not that they can't.

That's some of the people the writer is referring to.
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post Nov 22 2015, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 03:24 PM)
I learned Bm for many years and achieve it..

but where it has bring me to?
nowhere.
when I learn English, Mandarin and Cantonese
it has allowed me to speak to people from different countries.
excel in BM doesn't make u Malaysian enough
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Knowing BM is not about excelling in anything. It just your obligation as being the citizen of that nation.


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post Nov 22 2015, 04:32 PM

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TPPA coming, English would be the better choice, no?

English = upper management white collar work.

BM = factory worker.
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post Nov 22 2015, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Nov 22 2015, 04:22 PM)
eh eh bodo. Who asked you to speak rempit language? You see Indonesian scholars, or even those foreigner who took Malay study, they speak in a very nice language. If people hate BM because of the way rempit speak Malay, then both of them are stupid. I really hate DBP because they too laid back & do nothing causing Malay going down to longkang as the author said. Maybe we should make Anwar PM, so he can go back make the use of BM more strict.

Malay is, as far as I know, is the easiest language to learn. It's a combination of multiple languages, thus foreign tongue are familiar with the language. You can say it's the Esperanto of ancient days, the difference is that it was used.
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a shit weak argument usually begins wit an insult.

i din even read past the question mark. not worth my time really.

do remember to renew ur NGO membership.




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post Nov 22 2015, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 22 2015, 04:30 PM)
Fine. 

I don't mind using BM.  I actually wish I had a better command of it.

I don't see what is the problem, at least for me. 

I am older but I will continue to make an effort. 

I will also try to improve on my Mandarin. 

I don't see why I have to limit myself like it is beyond my abilities. 

Some just refuse to.  Not that they can't. 

That's some of the people the writer is referring to.
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post Nov 22 2015, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Nov 22 2015, 04:26 PM)
If that is the case, Malay can't accuse non Malay unable to converse in BM.

Most of us that spent 11 years in national school are able to converse in BM just fine. We just not equipped to converse in various native slangs like the native Malay do.

And by that logic, non Malay can't be accused of putting English because most of us can't speak Queen English with an Cockney accent.
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dude, nobody accuse u if u cannot speak like kelantanese, terengganu, perak, kedah and so on. u think selangor's malay can speak kelantan slang? sabah slang? U think kelatanese can speak like perak slang?

nobody gonna get angry with u if u cannot speak the slang lah. there states also the local will understand normal malay because they learn the same thing in school. just like china implementing mandarin to whole china as national language. they dont write their bahasa melayu spm paper in bahase kelate with kelate slang to get A.

nobody is going to blame u for speaking malay imperfectly. dont be like the idiot mp who cant even speak bahasa melayu in parlimen and want to cover it up by "practicing his right" to speak in english
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Nov 22 2015, 04:31 PM)
Knowing BM is not about excelling in anything.  It just your obligation as being the citizen of that nation.
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haih, nampaknya saya tidak boleh mengelak daripada bercakap bahasa melayu....haih sad
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post Nov 22 2015, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(vuetnam @ Nov 22 2015, 04:29 PM)
bcos now its divided to

bahasa pasar

bahasa rempit
so it cut off my interest in bm already, so no way
but still I speak BM as I have no choice, but i make sure I speak english or other language only
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Why do you need to speak it in bahasa pasar & rempit if you can speak it normally like in the 90s? doh.gif
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post Nov 22 2015, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(Lord Tiki Mick @ Nov 22 2015, 04:36 PM)
Why do you need to speak it in bahasa pasar & rempit if you can speak it normally like in the 90s? doh.gif
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affected by it... thats why


ok lah..tamau gaduh lagi


I am tired....

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