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 Investors Club V9, Previously known as Traders Kopitiam

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river.sand
post Mar 30 2016, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 30 2016, 04:53 PM)
Busy busy day...

Sold BWPT, @ 4X% gain  drool.gif
Sold SRIL, @ 1X% gain..  dry.gif
Bought ROTI, @ 12XX  rclxms.gif
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all indo mie dry.gif
holybo
post Mar 30 2016, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Mar 30 2016, 05:38 PM)
Hmmm I thought their revenue and profits are declining thanks to Vapors and levies from govt?
Chart seems to be downtrending too.

If your sole purpose is for the div in the long run, then can just buy now and collect more when the price is down.
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Vaps is not as convenient as cigarette.. The main impact is levies from government..
SUSPink Spider
post Mar 31 2016, 10:08 AM

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Plantation really is beyond me...really rely purely on ANALyst reports to study doh.gif
gark
post Mar 31 2016, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(CP88 @ Mar 30 2016, 08:06 PM)
Busy kaching kaching kaching!  tongue.gif
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Small money only. tongue.gif
gark
post Mar 31 2016, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Mar 30 2016, 08:17 PM)
all indo mie  dry.gif
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IDX more exciting than KLSE mah.. devil.gif devil.gif devil.gif
gark
post Mar 31 2016, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2016, 10:08 AM)
Plantation really is beyond me...really rely purely on ANALyst reports to study doh.gif
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Why beyond you? Actually very easy only mah...

For growth

1. Average palm oil age
2. Unplanted landbank

For Income

1. FFB Yield (Ton FFB/ha)
2. OER (Oil Extraction rate) (% Oil recovered form each ton of FFB)
3. EV / ha planted


That's it. laugh.gif

And its really simple, plantation cost are more or less fixed, so every RM 100 up in oil price = additional RM 100 in profit per ton CPO produced.

RHB Report Link.

This post has been edited by gark: Mar 31 2016, 10:33 AM
river.sand
post Mar 31 2016, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 31 2016, 10:30 AM)
Why beyond you? Actually very easy only mah...

For growth

1. Average palm oil age
2. Unplanted landbank

For Income

1. FFB Yield (Ton FFB/ha)
2. OER (Oil Extraction rate) (% Oil recovered form each ton of FFB)
3. EV / ha planted
That's it.  laugh.gif

And its really simple, plantation cost are more or less fixed, so every RM 100 up in oil price = additional RM 100 in profit per ton CPO produced.

RHB Report Link.
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Soybean price
MYR
RSPO
Palm oil tax
Other regulations
El nino
China's slow down

Need free lectures from master gark brows.gif
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post Mar 31 2016, 10:55 AM

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I only know earnings growth and divvy yield doh.gif

On a very basic level, I like UP (for divvy yield) and United Malacca (for potential) unsure.gif
gark
post Mar 31 2016, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Mar 31 2016, 10:52 AM)
Soybean price
MYR
RSPO
Palm oil tax
Other regulations
El nino
China's slow down

Need free lectures from master gark brows.gif
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CPO price tracks soybean.. so just having info on CPO price is good enough. wink.gif
gark
post Mar 31 2016, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2016, 10:55 AM)
I only know earnings growth and divvy yield doh.gif

On a very basic level, I like UP (for divvy yield) and United Malacca (for potential) unsure.gif
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I like UP.. very good and professional company.. but the P/E.. sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

UM.. is like kici miow plantation.. dry.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Mar 31 2016, 11:06 AM
foofoosasa
post Mar 31 2016, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 31 2016, 11:03 AM)
CPO price tracks soybean.. so just having info on CPO price is good enough.  wink.gif
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People sometimes tend to research too many things and miss the big picture

This post has been edited by foofoosasa: Mar 31 2016, 11:19 AM
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post Mar 31 2016, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 31 2016, 11:04 AM)
I like UP.. very good and professional company.. but the P/E..  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

UM.. is like kici miow plantation..  dry.gif
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But expanding into Indomie wor
Indomie have young tree profile devil.gif
gark
post Mar 31 2016, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2016, 11:21 AM)
But expanding into Indomie wor
Indomie have young tree profile devil.gif
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Ya meh.. I only saw they have peninsular and east MY plantation.

How many Ha in Indon, and location? Then I can give recommendation. tongue.gif
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post Mar 31 2016, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 31 2016, 11:24 AM)
Ya meh.. I only saw they have peninsular and east MY plantation.

How many Ha in Indon, and location? Then I can give recommendation.  tongue.gif
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http://klse.i3investor.com/files/my/ptres/res35257.pdf

http://klse.i3investor.com/files/my/ptres/res35257.pdf

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/u...-boost-earnings
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post Mar 31 2016, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2016, 11:26 AM)
UM acquired 83% of PT Lifere Agro Kapuas (Central Kalimantan), for 66.4 Mil USD, EV/Ha = $4750 per ha, $8,000 per planted Ha. This moderate price, not cheap but not expensive.

Total ha = 24,585 (17k plantable), with 10K already planted average age 3.5 years, 4 ha already mature. Another 1.5-2.5 years to full maturity.

Not too bad, should be able to boost UMCC profits by 20%-30% in 1-2 years time and 40%-60% by 4-5 years when fully planted.

But most of the future growth is already priced in as it's current PE is quite high... sweat.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Mar 31 2016, 11:40 AM
ken_ng
post Mar 31 2016, 11:44 AM

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sidetrack abit.
Does it mean those who bought PARKSON-CO will be crying on maturity date if they plan to convert to mother share?
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post Mar 31 2016, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 31 2016, 11:38 AM)
UM acquired 83% of PT Lifere Agro Kapuas (Central Kalimantan), for 66.4 Mil USD, EV/Ha = $4750 per ha, $8,000 per planted Ha. This moderate price, not cheap but not expensive.

Total ha = 24,585 (17k plantable), with 10K already planted average age 3.5 years, 4 ha already mature. Another 1.5-2.5 years to full maturity.

Not too bad, should be able to boost UMCC profits by 20%-30% in 1-2 years time and 40%-60% by 4-5 years when fully planted.

But most of the future growth is already priced in as it's current PE is quite high...  sweat.gif
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So...no go again? sad.gif

UP lagi teruk la...P/E tahap dewa for Plantations sector, macam Nestle doh.gif

My Ta Ann need to trim a bit or add a bit, else will end up with odd lot when the Bonus Issue comes puke.gif
gark
post Mar 31 2016, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2016, 11:44 AM)
So...no go again? sad.gif

UP lagi teruk la...P/E tahap dewa for Plantations sector, macam Nestle doh.gif

My Ta Ann need to trim a bit or add a bit, else will end up with odd lot when the Bonus Issue comes puke.gif
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Not to say no... currently is fairly valued, not undervalue.

But then again hor, not much plantation is undervalued. hmm.gif

Maybe you want to analyze my old timer stock, CBIP.. huge unplanted lanbank in Indon (2018 only start fruiting.. sweat.gif ).. and a sustainable engineering business. devil.gif devil.gif devil.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Mar 31 2016, 11:49 AM
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post Mar 31 2016, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2016, 11:44 AM)
So...no go again? sad.gif

UP lagi teruk la...P/E tahap dewa for Plantations sector, macam Nestle doh.gif

My Ta Ann need to trim a bit or add a bit, else will end up with odd lot when the Bonus Issue comes puke.gif
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Ya.. that day I did not know one of my stock got BI, then suddenly i got odd lot of 25 shares. bangwall.gif
gark
post Mar 31 2016, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(ken_ng @ Mar 31 2016, 11:44 AM)
sidetrack abit.
Does it mean those who bought PARKSON-CO will be crying on maturity date if they plan to convert to mother share?
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CO is call warrant? If call warrant cannot convert to mother shares.. cash settlement.

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