IMO bands shouldn't have a leader (manager, yes).

Frontman, yes. Leader, nope that's not how a band works (at least to me).

Oo... I don't know much about management... But I used to have a band back in university... No leader... Just a bunch of guys who like jamming... We speak heart to heart... Still very comfortable hanging out now... Anyone just voices out their mind... I missed playing with them... Simple yet happy...

Really curious how those bands manage and sustain for such a long time... Mr Big... Bon Jovi(despite Richie Sambora has left)... Metallica... Dream Theatre(Mike Portnoy left too)

That guy is being delusional, unless:

1) You guys are making steady money with your music, and you may risk leaking your new materials to competitors.
2) You guys are those we call 'artists', and such exposure may lead to big rumors of your new materials, hence leaking the secret of your new album to your fans.
3) He owns the label, and you have signed a contract which prevents you from exposing your materials to the public.

If none of the above is correct, he probably is delusional. He might think:
1) Holy sheet, Rotary7 has just uploaded a video! He will become more popular than me!
2) Holy crab, Rotary7 will be noticed by other bands. They will take him away!
3) Holy fark, Rotary7 might get our fans confused of his music direction!

He can shove the code of ethic right in the back door. Poyo je lebih!

If so... then he really thinks too much...

1. I've already told him that I wouldn't play songs that are played by the band... I just want to share some stuff to my friends (not even the band's friends... I have multiple accounts just to segregate the circles of friends)... It's like... "hey, guys... listen to this... the song we used to compose for our music camp", "yo... I've finally able to play this song... listen". All these in my personal account... but he just told me to create a new account or post it somewhere the teammates don't know... the way he said that is a little obnoxious... imagine a friend telling you this... it makes me feel like I'm doing something despicable

I feel like this is what he's imposing to me... "A photographer took a photo and shared it online in his leisure... <<< that is conflict of interest... a professional photographer shouldn't do that... Yes, you can take photo... but don't post it online"
>_<... of course, I don't know how the real world works... but if it really happens this way... I'm tired of professionalism... I rather quit and enjoy my own moment... that's why I created this thread to verify if rules like this is common or not...


2. We're not even close to being famous... and the materials I play are totally different from the band's repertoire... way different... I'm just having my own moment enjoying the process of recording and composing while the band has nothing musical to do... and... the band doesn't compose songs for its own... let alone having albums for fans...

Some people like playing cover songs... some people like composing... some like jamming to express themselves... some play along back tracks... I practically do all these... but if sharing all these in audio and video form is a taboo which I can only do it in the dark... well, I'll be happily leaving the band...


3. Nah... He's not into song composing... He's good at it but to him... it's not practical... something not lucrative...
He's like a mastermind behind the band... strategy... promotion... and what's not...
Prior to joining the band, I've already very much obsessed with song composition... even before I entered university... he knew that I did song composing and recording before recruiting me into the band... maybe this is his game... so the rules are within his control... but at least try to compromise to my demand... I like to express myself through music... I'm bad at social skill... it's my only way to speak my heart out... and now he's telling me to keep them hidden... 'use guitars no one knows you own' 'share it in guitarist forum or platforms the teammates don't use'

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Sorry if my reply sounds like a rant... the more I think about this restriction... the more nonsense logic I'm getting...
Hence, I asked you all here... hoping to get some light from you all who knows the game better than I do...
However, I took the liberty to put all the bandmates into the restriction list... all my postings are unknown to them now... tired of this cat and mouse game...
I'll probably leave the band some day soon... looking for the right moment... he's very good at manipulating people's mind... that's why I failed leaving the band numerous times... though I knew his intention of manipulating my mind... but I thought, let's not make the friendship worse...

This post has been edited by Rotary7: Oct 23 2015, 05:44 AM

Your band leader's name...it doesn't happens to be Kim Jong Un is it???

I suggest you leave...NOW.

so basically ur band leader doesnt compose any songs?
means he doesnt have a right to say anything.

correct example la. those bands the guitarist all join have to bend over and listen to whatever the leader say.

like work mah... u think CEO got get his hands dirty one meh?

well, unless its a young CEO of a startup...i believe most already 'paid their dues'.

this 'leader' never paid his dues...

planning to... have to find a solid reason... he'll counter me if I have a feeble reason... the last time I seriously talked to him about quitting... we had a conversation until 3 am... and still unable to quit... >_<

He doesn't compose for fun or satisfaction... for so much of effort not turning profit... not practical he said...

Dude...it's your life, why the hell you need to have a "strong reason"?? If you are not under any contract. Just say "I tak suka your fugly face", so i keluar.

He never compose how he knows it's not going to be profitable? Unless he's that confident of his songwriting la.

dude, if you dont plan to grow a spine, or find where you kept your balls

then you deserve to be taken from the back your entire life.

This post has been edited by +3kk!: Oct 23 2015, 11:14 PM

I think I'm afraid to get into an awkward situation... feeling uneasy... so I thought the best way is to find an excuse and slip away...


I don't know what he's thinking actually... all I heard from him was composing and recording takes a lot of time versus gigging... that's why he prefers performing than recording... all opposite of me...
in fact, I hardly hear from him saying he's playing music... from most enthuasiasts... we would hear like "yo, let's go jamming", "I feel like drumming now la", "let's jam some songs today" or even "no mood la today, I just want to stay home and play my keyboard"... from him... not once...


>_< haha... this is a good advice which is a little harsh but true...
Yea... I'm making my way there... feeling a little relieved after setting my heart on leaving...

If you are posting it in your name (ie not the band's name) I think it is your project, and they don't have any say unless you give it to them. If your work with the band suffers because of it there could be a conflict of interest, but if there is no (negative) impact on the quality or quantity of your work with the band I fail to see how there is a conflict of interest. It seems to me that the band leader is saying the equivalent of "you can't go out after hours unless you are dressed in your "day job" uniform and act the same as you do at work" of course you have the freedom to do what you want to do in your time! (so long a it does not bring other association you may have into disrepute).

@_@ well, this is something new... correct me if I'm wrong... but I thought the ideology of 'conflict of interest' stands for overlapping or shared interest between 2 or more parties?

something like:
A sells guitar
B sells guitar

despite A & B being friends... but they have conflict of interest because of their business nature which is aim at the same interest
so... regardless if A's business boomed more than B or not... the conflict of interest already took place initially right?

hence, with all due respect... conflict of interest does not entail the consequences right? I really don't know... I'm just voicing out what I think... cos all this while I thought it was this way... if I was wrong... then I have to re-evaluate my whole perception on this matter


Let me clear the air by coming back to my scenario... I'm actually thinking to post all the composition... some riffs... some licks... my songs... something of my own... something unrelated to the band's interest(besides music, guitar and what's not) all on my own account... my personal account which has none of the band's friends in it... my personal account has my secondary school friends, university friends, my family... which I assume it would be clear to him that I'm not getting attention from the band's friends or clients...

and

the things I do... they are instrumental... blues, funk, rock, metal, progressive...
the band... pop, rock, a little bit of metal... with vocal...
despite both our interests being music... mine is more to own composition, own idea, own practice... and theirs is solely cover songs...
It's not like I upload a video or audio of songs performed by the band... yea... I agree on this one... If I recorded an audio or video of me playing songs performed by the band and upload it... I have to say... this is then conflict of interest... because I'm doing the same thing as the band which might result to
"wah... this guitarist... ruined this song... stupid la this guy" or "wah... this guy... plays better than his band... I'm gonna like this post of his"
Also... the band doesn't compose song for their own... they don't write song... they just play cover songs... don't get me wrong... I'm not saying what they do is child's play... playing cover songs and composing songs are both hard to me and both require our respect... but I'm just saying that our direction is different...

but... correct me if I'm wrong... I can just merely play the guitar... I don't know much about the world... don't read newspapers (this is also another reason why I want to be musically active on Facebook rather than reading comments... imagine you're blamed for being born in this country)... not good at social let alone psychic attack... after some argument with him... I lost my conscience... I doubted my conscience... it makes me wonder every time Jack Thammarat uploads a video of him jamming along backing track... "hmm... unethical? conflict of interest? Every time Phil X uploads a video... "hmm... is this right?" The same for all other guitarists... Chapman posted something about his guitar... or every other guitarist... it's like if you posted something about guitar... but not on the band's name... then it is wrong... unethical... conflict of interest... >_< so the band owns your guitar knowledge, your guitar playing, your music creativity, your everything tied to our band's interest... outside of the band... you are not a guitarist... so there's no Paul Gilbert, only Mr Big... no Phil X, only Powder and Bon Jovi... no John Petrucci, only Dream Theatre... but these examples might be inappropriate too... because they are solo artist too... haha

(I'm not comparing myself to those super established guitarists out there... but I'm just quoting the experience I had been through... got told that it's not right... but my guitar heroes did it anyway... so who's right or wrong? That's why I shoot this questions to you all... I need to know half of the truth... is there such a common law existing in a band? ... in music business?)

I once lost my confidence and conscience because of this argument with him... or his manipulation on me... I've not seriously played guitar for more than 4 months... every time I lifted my guitar and play something my heart feels... I felt like there's no point doing it... it's not right... it's like doing something people had said to you that it is wrong... the discouragement just weakens me... though I still like playing despite my crappy playing... but I felt weak... I couldn't sing my heart out with guitar like how I used to... I'm sure most of you have the desire in yourself when you play right? there's just something magically driving you to not stop playing... but I lost it...

This post has been edited by Rotary7: Oct 25 2015, 12:56 PM

it's pretty obvious you should leave. just messaged him you quit and block his number. seriously if someone made me felt like that, i'd punched them in their fucking face.

lol you're right

i'm starting to think you are some superhero guitarist.

i think for most of us here when we quit our bands no one talked to us til 3am and convinced us to stay. haha

If he doesn't know where you live... change phone number. Delete him from facebook.

"@_@ well, this is something new... correct me if I'm wrong... but I thought the ideology of 'conflict of interest' stands for overlapping or shared interest between 2 or more parties?

something like:
A sells guitar
B sells guitar

despite A & B being friends... but they have conflict of interest because of their business nature which is aim at the same interest
so... regardless if A's business boomed more than B or not... the conflict of interest already took place initially right?"

no... if A and B had no responsibility to the other then that's competition
Cambridge Dictionary says:
"conflict of interest" - noun:
'a ​situation in which someone’s ​private ​interests are ​opposed to that person's ​responsibilities to other ​people'