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post May 16 2020, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(thesnake @ May 16 2020, 07:28 PM)
i am an avid investor of AA and i have about roughly 200 lots of AA in my portfolio.. my average price is around 1.2..which i have accumulated over the years.. but after looking at the effects of COVID, im not sure wether to just swallow the hard pill and take losses and focus on other stocks .. i am down about 40% now
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If you have accumulated for years, the losses shouldn't be that much given the amount of dividends paid out over the years.

Cut the losses and save the money in your war chest for another day.
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post May 17 2020, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(thesnake @ May 16 2020, 07:28 PM)
i am an avid investor of AA and i have about roughly 200 lots of AA in my portfolio.. my average price is around 1.2..which i have accumulated over the years.. but after looking at the effects of COVID, im not sure wether to just swallow the hard pill and take losses and focus on other stocks .. i am down about 40% now
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If u nid cash then cutloss lo... if u no then just put there dun this this aa lo after 3 year then wake up to c lo
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post May 17 2020, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(thesnake @ May 16 2020, 07:28 PM)
i am an avid investor of AA and i have about roughly 200 lots of AA in my portfolio.. my average price is around 1.2..which i have accumulated over the years.. but after looking at the effects of COVID, im not sure wether to just swallow the hard pill and take losses and focus on other stocks .. i am down about 40% now
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I'm sure u managed to get all the special dividend right?

Calculate it with your entry cost..

Still losses of 40%?

I'm sure it's would be minimal to none...

Personally.. AA recovery would take little longer...
At least another few more years.. demand won't recover this year for sure.. next year might have some chance...

U can wait or not?
Best to cut loss...
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post May 17 2020, 01:32 PM

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the question should be, should you cut loss and invest in something else?
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post May 17 2020, 03:38 PM

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1 more thing to consider is.. Market now is overvalued, and very irrational. We can analyse the fundamentals of a company and say how good or bad it is but one inch piece of the scrapiest news and everyone jumps a mile.
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post May 22 2020, 10:04 PM

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post May 22 2020, 10:19 PM

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Wow!
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post May 26 2020, 06:33 AM

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QUOTE(enkil @ May 22 2020, 10:19 PM)
Wow!
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Why?
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post May 26 2020, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ May 22 2020, 10:04 PM)

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I think if they are allowed to fly, they should be able to survive.

Flight tickets will be more expensive if people have to social distance onboard, but budget airlines tickets will still be cheaper, so the demand should be more compared to non-budget airlines.

This post has been edited by moosset: May 26 2020, 11:14 AM
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post May 26 2020, 11:23 AM

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Hmm.
If budget airline can price very competitive against others.. they might get additional pie...

Because I'm sure many companies cutting cost...
Executive also needs to fly budget 😁 no more full service 😩
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post May 26 2020, 01:26 PM

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Price increase will be across the board.

Full service fares will be even more expensive with social distancing measures. (Unless governments pumps in more cash to offset the price but this is clearly not sustainable).

Low fare carriers fares will also rise in tandem to cope with social distancing measures. However the overall price will still be substantially lower than full service carriers’.

Carriers need to be lean and operationally efficient to survive.


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post May 26 2020, 02:51 PM

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So many companies have either asked their gov for bailout or filed for bankruptcy. Latest is LATAM airlines.

AA is still going?? laugh.gif


QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 26 2020, 11:23 AM)
no more full service 😩
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airlines are talking about reducing meal time and frequency onboard.

So even full service also feel like half service. sad.gif
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post May 26 2020, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ May 26 2020, 02:51 PM)
So many companies have either asked their gov for bailout or filed for bankruptcy. Latest is LATAM airlines.

AA is still going??  laugh.gif
airlines are talking about reducing meal time and frequency onboard.

So even full service also feel like half service.  sad.gif
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don't know what's going on about the so-called bailout..
seems like nothing is moving right now? or maybe backdoor dealing nego goin on? cool2.gif

well cost saving measures to survive..
so it's become half service airline laugh.gif
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post May 26 2020, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(brando_w @ May 26 2020, 01:26 PM)
Price increase will be across the board.

Full service fares will be even more expensive with social distancing measures. (Unless governments pumps in more cash to offset the price but this is clearly not sustainable).

Low fare carriers fares will also rise in tandem to cope with social distancing measures. However the overall price will still be substantially lower than full service carriers’.

Carriers need to be lean and operationally efficient to survive.
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Airlines can always boycott not to fly unless governments lift social distancing measures on the plane though. but even then it won't be enough as people are still paranoid to travel.

Air Asia's survivability only has a few more years remaining in the domestic market. When ECRL is up and running and the KL-Singapore HSR makes a return, Air Asia's profit will further nose dive if it's not already at it's bottom.
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post May 27 2020, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(thesnake @ May 16 2020, 07:28 PM)
i am an avid investor of AA and i have about roughly 200 lots of AA in my portfolio.. my average price is around 1.2..which i have accumulated over the years.. but after looking at the effects of COVID, im not sure wether to just swallow the hard pill and take losses and focus on other stocks .. i am down about 40% now
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200 lots means 20,000 shares or 200K? if you buy that much you can always dispose half to reduce risk and buy back in case it goes lower. that's what i will do if over invested in single stocks

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post May 27 2020, 10:42 AM

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some usa and european are planning to fly again next month.
what i read... will halve no. passengers, much less inflight service, almost no physical contact with crew, ticket higher price.
flying will never be the same unless and until a vaccine comes.

the industry will likely consolidate - mergers, closures.
big ones will probably get gomen bailout. e.g. luthansa.
https://www.dw.com/en/lufthansa-to-resume-t...june/a-53551937

SIA will likely push ahead as soon as they can; SIA share price now pretty bottom stable at SGD3.60.
AA, MAS... financials very weak, gomen no money... big troubles ahead.



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post May 27 2020, 10:45 AM

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after this, flying is a luxury already.

also, another one bites the dust
https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1924520/l...ankruptcy-in-us
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post May 27 2020, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 29 2020, 10:54 AM)


However, let's talk about the company itself.

How did Airasia got so big?
Was it because it used debts/leverage to built itself up?

Buy/borrow/buy... use whatever cash flow to buy new planes again.

That was what it did. Agree?

That was obviously not gonna to last. It got to the point where Airasia had only less than a billion in cash and more than 12 billion in loans.

That buy and borrow had to slow down. So it asked to defer its obscene backlog of new planes.

Got breathing space but not enough. Clearly it was grossly over leveraged.

** in the midst came that 18billion usd new airplane order. In which the following year, that chapalang F1 team got a usd50 million sponsorship. The F1 team that was not owned by Airasia. Duh **

Next came the leasing plan.

Sell whatever plane it had and then lease back. Use the money to pay back loans. And yeah, to hook investors in, despite in dire need of money, Airasia gave away millions in dividends.

New planes also sell.

So the balance sheet bank borrowings came down in a hurry. But the lease amount soared.

Financial engineering at its finest.

But now with lesser planes flying, can Airasia be able to finance its leases???

And yeah, Airasia still got plenty of planes ordered with Airbus. Latest quarter, the amount is 99.6 Billion.

99.6  Billion.  Not too much?

Can this buy, sell and lease back be played for so long?

And yeah, every company hedges. It is a norm. However, there are some companies who over does it their hedging turns into gambling. Have you check how much? If I say their total hedges is more then 2.5 Billion... would you say too much?

Many years ago Airasia once lost more than 500 million in hedging. Tony had to apologise and say no more betting. But yet after these many years, Airasia is still hedging. Betting on oil, interest rate and currency. All which had been having huge swings. A bad hedge could see Airasia lose millions.

Latest qr? Any hedging losses? Better go check......
And yeah, its qr is getting more complex to read. So many inter related companies. How does one really gauge the validity of its accounts?

So if I have to base any trading decision on such a company, I always, always take the easy way... No bet. If it goes up, so be it.

Anyway gl.
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....... that chapalang F1 team USD50 million 'ahem sponsorship' ....
so we all now that this was part of the corruption investigation where Airbus agreed to pay over USD3.9 billion in fines.....

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/airbus-agree...y-and-itar-case

On a separate note...

What is even more interesting is the news on AirAsia chairman who paid RM364 million for insider trading.... (no mention on this thread? hmm.gif )

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...insider-trading

hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post May 28 2020, 03:37 PM

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Thai AirAsia considers merger
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/thai...E2%80%94-report

slowly others places would happen..
finally In Malaysia.. Possibility with Malindo?? or MAS
since both also bleeding... Government seems lack of $$ to bailout devil.gif
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post May 28 2020, 04:15 PM

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budget airlines are going to find it very tough.

the big national airlines backed by their gomens will recover first as flights set to resume.

us and european airlines already seeing strong price recovery.

even SIA has rebounded nicely from low 3.58 to 3.83 now... waiting for CB to end, i suppose.

AA... looks like salted fish to me. tongue.gif

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