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post May 28 2020, 04:41 PM

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SIA - World Champion; well managed company which consistently generates income for Temasek; strategic real asset for Singapore as it’s a global aviation hub.

Thai Airways - bleeding over the years; a cash cow; continuous government bail-outs over the years; finally put into bankruptcy rehab by their government recently

MAS - same story as above; Khazanah will most likely continue to pump in money as it’s a strategic ‘asset’, like many other Glcs... the trend of lower dividends for EPF, KWAP, ASB, ASN etc will be the new norm going forward.

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So Air Asia share nosedive tomorrow?

SOS

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QUOTE(SYAMiLLiON @ Jun 4 2020, 05:35 PM)
So Air Asia share nosedive tomorrow?

SOS
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News was out earlier already.. if according to your logic, why didn’t nosedive in 2nd session earlier..
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post Jun 4 2020, 06:00 PM

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Downsize is the right thing to do.

Should be welcomed as a positive news.
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post Jun 4 2020, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(SYAMiLLiON @ Jun 4 2020, 05:35 PM)
So Air Asia share nosedive tomorrow?

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that's why it went up today.

reducing cost in anyway = good for share price.

if they announce firing some directors/dept heads to save cost... better stiil!
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post Jun 4 2020, 10:02 PM

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So is time ?
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post Jun 5 2020, 11:02 AM

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Airline won't be recovering at least another year..
So cost cutting is the way forward...

The director fee also needs to be cut..
Too much being paid now...

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AirAsia considers fundraising, JV options to ride out pandemic

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...de-out-pandemic

KUALA LUMPUR/SINGAPORE (June 4): Malaysia's flagship budget carrier AirAsia Group Bhd is evaluating proposals for raising capital to strengthen its equity base and liquidity, the company said in a statement Thursday.

AirAsia said it has been presented with proposals from investment bankers, lenders and potential investors to help the airline "weather the storm" caused by the new coronavirus pandemic.

It also has ongoing deliberations with a number of parties for joint-ventures and collaborations that may result in additional investments in specific segments of the group's business, it said in the bourse filing.

The airline said it may soon reach a decision on the proposals and amount to be raised.

"Any decision made will take into account the Company's business needs and the interests of the Company, its shareholders and other stakeholders," it said.

The airline made the statement in response to a report by local newspaper The Star citing sources saying AirAsia was in talks to sell a 10% stake to South Korea's SK Holdings through a private placement.
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post Jun 18 2020, 05:54 PM

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post Jun 23 2020, 06:48 PM

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https://markets.businessinsider.com/amp/new...20-6-1029329776

Timely exit by WB

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https://www.malaymail.com/news/money/2020/0...eakeven/1882027

AA posted 800mil loss for Q1 only 🤭

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 6 2020, 08:32 PM)
Q2 will be worse.

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post Jul 6 2020, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 6 2020, 10:03 PM)
Q2 will be worse.
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They still have around -rm982mil fuel hedge not realised.
Report page 17.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 6 2020, 10:03 PM)
Q2 will be worse.
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Basically this financial year is not good for airlines 🤭
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 6 2020, 11:09 PM)
Basically this financial year is not good for airlines 🤭
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"Not good" is an understatement...
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jul 6 2020, 11:44 PM)
"Not good" is an understatement...
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Rights of use assets. Prepayment. Culmulative mounting losses of 1.6bil.

AA is totally swimming naked. It is eating into share holders pocket now literally if you look into their balance sheets.

If this continue another quarter unless got new capital injection which mean further dilution of share holders, AA will be having a hard time to survive.
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jul 7 2020, 12:33 AM)
Rights of use assets. Prepayment. Culmulative mounting losses of 1.6bil.

AA is totally swimming naked. It is eating into share holders pocket now literally if you look into their balance sheets.

If this continue another quarter unless got new capital injection which mean further dilution of share holders, AA will be having a hard time to survive.
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Ooolala... didn't realise that they finally released their super delayed report yesterday..

*conspiracy?

Oh... saw Star biz news.. Mmmm

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...n-first-quarter

Company reported 800 million plus in losses and that's the best article headline it can come up with?


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QUOTE(staind @ Jul 6 2020, 10:07 PM)
They still have around -rm982mil fuel hedge not realised.
Report page 17.
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This was from Dec QR report from AirAsia...

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This was yesterday..

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Much easier to see, when one put this together. The focus, imo, should be the fuel contracts due in less than one year.....

The fuel contract due one year in Dec was about 9 million barrels.
Yesterday the contract due one year has shrunk to 3.1 million barrels.

So they settled and cut loss.... according to their report they loss 110 million.

Based on MARCH 31st fair market prices, these fuel contract due less than 1 year, was carrying a loss of 794.9 million.


Now this part does the reader no good. According to the notes, page 30, AirAsia said the following...

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... these challenging times, we have sought payment deferrals from our suppliers and lenders. We have also restructured a major portion of the fuel hedges with our supportive counter parties and are still in process of restructuring the remaining exposure. This will help deal with the excess of hedged volume against expected fuel consumption post-COVID-19 and reduce the hedging losses if fuel price remains at today’s prices.


process of restructuring the remaining exposure.... lol ... process of cutting loss la....

Therefore, the max loss on fuel hedges on the next quarter should be less than 794.9 million....

We can guestimate a little on them Singapore jet fuel prices....

Recent article... https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/jet-f.../138772.article

This one part...

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In Asia, the picture is one of returning demand and weaker jet fuel production. Jet fuel for barge delivery to Singapore was $2 per barrel higher week on week, at $40.85-41.25, its highest level since mid-March. Four weeks ago, it was assessed at $24.16-24.56.


Jet fuel has some what recovered a bit...

and then we know from articles like this earlier this year... https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...ing-fuel-prices

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“We currently hedge about 12% to 14% of our fuel needs, at US$69 per barrel, down from 60%-70% for our 2017 fuel needs when the fuel prices were low. We would love to hedge more, but the problem now is that I am still not very comfortable with where the fuel prices are heading. There are still many uncertainties,” he said.


Therefor, the paper losses from these fuel hedges is gonna be big... but how much did they cut since March 31st? Well, I have a feeling it should not be more than 795 million...



..... my opinion remains... they are way too reckless on their hedging. In fact, in my opinion, they are gambling far too big with these hedges.

And worst still, AirAsia has a history of losing millions and millions with their hedges and they are still doing it.

Google AirAsia hedging losses and you can see article like this...

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...all-fuel-hedges

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The airline’s second consecutive quarterly loss came mainly after unwinding its fuel and interest rate swap (IRS) derivative structures in FY2008, totalling RM640.9 million, which is being treated as an exceptional item in its books.When AirAsia unwound its hedge position in the third quarter last year, Fernandes said swift action by management has saved a significant amount of money. He added that at US$50 per barrel, it would have to incur a total of US$481 million of fuel-hedging losses.


Never learn from its mistakes, no?

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post Jul 7 2020, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 7 2020, 01:42 PM)
This was from Dec QR report from AirAsia...

user posted image

This was yesterday..

user posted image

Much easier to see, when one put this together. The focus, imo, should be the fuel contracts due in less than one year.....

The fuel contract due one year in Dec was about 9 million barrels.
Yesterday the contract due one year has shrunk to 3.1 million barrels.

So they settled and cut loss.... according to their report they loss 110 million.

Based on MARCH 31st fair market prices, these fuel contract due less than 1 year, was carrying a loss of 794.9 million.


Now this part does the reader no good. According to the notes, page 30, AirAsia said the following...
process of restructuring the remaining exposure.... lol ... process of cutting loss la....

Therefore, the max loss on fuel hedges on the next quarter should be less than 794.9 million....

We can guestimate a little on them Singapore jet fuel prices....

Recent article... https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/jet-f.../138772.article

This one part...
Jet fuel has some what recovered a bit... 

and then we know from articles like this earlier this year... https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...ing-fuel-prices
Therefor, the paper losses from these fuel hedges is gonna be big... but how much did they cut since March 31st? Well, I have a feeling it should not be more than 795 million...
..... my opinion remains... they are way too reckless on their hedging. In fact, in my opinion, they are gambling far too big with these hedges.

And worst still, AirAsia has a history of losing millions and millions with their hedges and they are still doing it.

Google AirAsia hedging losses and you can see article like this...

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...all-fuel-hedges
Never learn from its mistakes, no?
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In short, whoever holds AA shares until Q2 report comes out = needs their head checked?

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